Because (a) Cyan didn't say anything about the random phase. Joboman came out of nowhere with that. (b) Cyan has proven his ability to successfully analyze people, whereas I haven't seen Joboman be right about anybody.
Don't me without giving a reason.
(a) We're just out of the random phase. To fairly compare my behavior with other times, they also need to be just out of the random phase.
(b) Cyan can geuss well. I have been right about many people, such as R_0 in f451 mafia, and exsam in asterix, among many others that I don't have the time to dig up. I don't really see why this is relevant.
Good morning (or evening or whatever else) , ladies and gentlemen.
Welcome to scum-kingdom, and let me introduce to you the king :
and the queen :
Said by the jumpiest player here, it's pretty funny .
Oh, and by the way, it is more than an advice. I know that Seppel and Joboman are scums. I am their scumbuddy, and so I know who are my allies. It is true.
(a) We're just out of the random phase. To fairly compare my behavior with other times, they also need to be just out of the random phase.
What? What? No! Don't be dense. I would be willing to accept that the closer the timelines of behavior, the more accurate meta-conclusions that might be drawn, but don't tell me that the only meta-read I can do on you is a point-in-time comparison with other games where you're in the exact same situation.
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(b) Cyan can geuss well. I have been right about many people, such as R_0 in f451 mafia, and exsam in asterix, among many others that I don't have the time to dig up. I don't really see why this is relevant.
What you identify as "guessing" is actually analysis and investigation resulting in a conclusion. See, here's the difference between noob and experienced: I look at your votes and see some random votes followed by some "real" votes that I take as you guessing, not because your postcount is low, but because I've played with you, and I think you go almost entirely off your gut, which might get lucky now and then, but it's not working off of analysis. I see Cyan vote and my mind immediately asks "What does Cyan see that I don't?" When he indicates what made him vote, I have to decide whether or not I agree, which helps me in weighing whether Cyan is town or scum. Of course, in this case, when he's voting you for being you...I think he should know better.
(b) Cyan can geuss well. I have been right about many people, such as R_0 in f451 mafia, and exsam in asterix, among many others that I don't have the time to dig up. I don't really see why this is relevant.
I have chortles. R_0 wasn't scum in F451, because there wasn't a scum team and the game was skewed towards one of two cults.
Again, I am not voting joboman for 'being joboman'. I've only played one other game with him. I thought he was scum in that game, so I killed him. And he was scum.
His behavior here seems similar to that game. So, obviously, I think he is scum here too.
Again, I am not voting joboman for 'being joboman'. I've only played one other game with him. I thought he was scum in that game, so I killed him. And he was scum.
His behavior here seems similar to that game. So, obviously, I think he is scum here too.
How is his behavior here similar? If I understand correctly, he replaced into that game after the random phase, and you're talking about his behavior here in the random phase and immediately afterward, so you really don't have anything to compare it to. That being said, if you can provide empirical evidence of behavioral similarities, I might rethink my position on him. So far, all you've said, repeatedly, is that his "behavior seems similar."
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Because
(a) Cyan didn't say anything about the random phase. Joboman came out of nowhere with that.
Fact still remains, the portion discussed is about the random phase, and with 0 randomphase portions of joboman, it is unreliable to state "he was like this in other games and was scum." mainly because THERE WERE NO OTHER GAMES AT THIS STAGE.
(b) Cyan has proven his ability to successfully analyze people, whereas I haven't seen Joboman be right about anybody..
Cyan has also proven the ability to harass some of the best players of mtgs into making stupid mistakes. Cyans method is great for KILLING people.
I don't like how you tie yourself to other players like this.
I think your "analysis" is worthless, cause it's Joboman, who comes off as scummy 110% of the time.
Thank you for atleast making a clear statement on where you stand on this issue.
Then it's not random at all. It can't be random if you said you voted him for "rubbing you the wrong way" and he did actually rub you the wrong way. Can't have your cake and eat it to, dude.
It actually can. Okay, well, it cant be RANDOM, but it can definitely not be SERIOUS. I think that's the question right? How SERIOUS was the vote.
I think Zaj's push on Cyan is scummy for a couple of reasons:
I posted pretty much the same thing as Zaj did defending joboman with an opposite result. His post really sticks out to me as out of place for a defense.
Have i been gone so long that people have started defending other people? Are you all retarded and feel the NEED to defend other people? Is it because all the new players you must defend people?Seriously, thats about all ive seen thusfar since i left last night. People defending Joboman/WWAB, or attacking joboman/Zaj. Just plain STOP DEFENDING OTHER PEOPLE.
He doesn't actually vote for Cyan, but makes it clear his behavior is worth looking into. I still find this a tactic used by newbie scum over newbie town players.
Potentially a very relevant point, to note tho, in person mafia this is a more common tactic then voting for them.
He ignores anything else in the thread. I suppose this loosely ties into why point #1 sticks out so strongly to me.
An interesting theory and one I could likely get behind. Let's take a look:
Overly defensive
subtle-ish noob card defense
Defensive again
Faulting his playstyle along with WIFOM
Defensive again
meh
Defensive again
And both of these contain him aligning himself with the stronger players (I know you've been gone for awhile, StormBlind, but you're still one of the best players on the site, I'm sure)
All of these are valid points against him in terms of whether he's town or scum. Yet, still, my gut tells me he's town and just really defensive.
A tip to you, WWaB, I know you're a really defensive person (as you stated) but townies generally don't worry about a couple people saying they seem scummy. That's why people are jumping on you for being so defensive. It makes you look scummy, like you got something to hide.
From what i've heard, your gut isn't terribly reliable and often wrong, and as you yourself say, there's alot of viable points here. Hmm... stickin my vote for now.
Vote: Joboman
I've never seen you so jumpy with your vote.
Yeah, and he gets mis-lynched a lot because of how he plays, man. Please don't defend him for this.
You just stated he gets mislynched alot due to his playstyle, and yet you're going to lynch him for his playstyle. Contradictory.
Oh yeah and StormBlind, I wanted to say that your new avatar is awesome and you've posted more text than your past three games I've seen you in combined.
Its actually my really really OLD avatar. I used this years ago. haha. And thats a lie. i just post alot.
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Seems like it's getting lost in the shuffle, but, my vote on joboman is 100% serious. He voted 3 different people in the first like 30 posts, and none of them seemed to be random votes. That is as opportunistic as it gets.
Looks like Cyan is playing to the fact that jobo always becomes the center of wagons for the way he always flails about. Great opportunity to engage jobo into a post war and have the town come down on jobo. As evident in the below post. vote cyan
(b) Cyan has proven his ability to successfully analyze people, whereas I haven't seen Joboman be right about anybody.
I don't tend to see much analyzing. Just the eyes fixed on and bulldogs through. Meaning he gets ahold of someone, convinces himself they are scum and proceeds to rip them down in a battle of posts.
Looks like Cyan is playing to the fact that jobo always becomes the center of wagons for the way he always flails about. Great opportunity to engage jobo into a post war and have the town come down on jobo. As evident in the below post. vote cyan
I don't tend to see much analyzing. Just the eyes fixed on and bulldogs through. Meaning he gets ahold of someone, convinces himself they are scum and proceeds to rip them down in a battle of posts.
Flew should post more, I liked his post.
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Cyan is seeming more and more scummy, so Unvote, Vote: Cyan.
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Cyan is seeming more and more scummy, so Unvote, Vote: Cyan.
Wow. What is you basis for this, because Cyan has said very little in the game. I think you are jumping on the wagon because you think it'll be an easy wagon. And, I think you're scum.
Wow. What is you basis for this, because Cyan has said very little in the game. I think you are jumping on the wagon because you think it'll be an easy wagon. And, I think you're scum.
Unvote, Vote Zajnet
are you serious here? the hipocracy is just... horrible.
are you serious here? the hipocracy is just... horrible.
What hipocracy?
I voted him because the phrasing of that post where he voted Cyan screamed "I'm just doing this because I'm scum and this looks like a nice mislynch" If you can't see that, not my problem.
Can anyone who made random votes please unvote as soon as possible? We're out of the random phase and keeping random votes on people is of no help to the town.
Can Bolmedias please post content as soon as possible? We're out of the random phase and posting fluff is of no help to the town.
Again, I am not voting joboman for 'being joboman'. I've only played one other game with him. I thought he was scum in that game, so I killed him. And he was scum.
His behavior here seems similar to that game. So, obviously, I think he is scum here too.
I'm willing to consider Joboman as scum if and only if Manders is scum, too. Their back and forth is hilariously clunky. What do you think, Cyan?
I'm willing to consider Joboman as scum if and only if Manders is scum, too. Their back and forth is hilariously clunky. What do you think, Cyan?
Back and forth between us is bound to happen, whether we're on the same team or not. Just read any game we've been in together. We were both town in L4D.
I think you should worry about your own playstyle.
What hipocracy?
I voted him because the phrasing of that post where he voted Cyan screamed "I'm just doing this because I'm scum and this looks like a nice mislynch" If you can't see that, not my problem.
If I was scum, would I really be that obvious? Think what you want, but I voted for Cyan because I believe Cyan to be scum.
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Confirmed town is a good thing. WoD confirmed town is a waste.
And FREELY Confirmed town just feels cheap.
How do we know that WoD is confirmed town? Maybe his scumbuddies did PM him, and he's just acting like they didn't so that we think he's confirmed town. WIFOM!
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I think he meant before the day opened. The OP said night-talkers could talk until then.
Oooooooh. Right. I guess they would have at least attempted to make contact. Unless they're WoD-haters, in which case they might have been like "Hrm, WoD's awfully quiet....oh well, let's start the game!" But I suppose all the mafia would have had to report in for SP to start the game?
Hearsay. Noob until proven otherwise (which, by the way, I'm not proven otherwise quite yet myself ;)).
Oooooooh. Right. I guess they would have at least attempted to make contact. Unless they're WoD-haters, in which case they might have been like "Hrm, WoD's awfully quiet....oh well, let's start the game!" But I suppose all the mafia would have had to report in for SP to start the game?
So WoD must be confirmed town then since we couldn't have left night 0 without him reporting in if he was scum.
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Bah. This is getting us no where, especially as conversation has dwindled to ... well... nothing.
Suggestion: Some form of claim be done. I dont know what, or CARE what, but... everyones... being.... BORING.
Here, ill unilaterally start: My character is female.
HUZZAH.
I don't have any objection to a gender claim, but unilaterally starting like this feels...rushed. And while I don't think the current discussion is excessively invigorating, I don't think we're exactly stalled...why are you so impatient?
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(a) We're just out of the random phase. To fairly compare my behavior with other times, they also need to be just out of the random phase.
(b) Cyan can geuss well. I have been right about many people, such as R_0 in f451 mafia, and exsam in asterix, among many others that I don't have the time to dig up. I don't really see why this is relevant.
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Get out.
Pay attention to what you're saying. Reading those two lines back to back is blatant hypocrisy.
...:eyebrow: The lack of indignation actually feels significantly off from the way you normally handle a post.
What? What? No! Don't be dense. I would be willing to accept that the closer the timelines of behavior, the more accurate meta-conclusions that might be drawn, but don't tell me that the only meta-read I can do on you is a point-in-time comparison with other games where you're in the exact same situation.
What you identify as "guessing" is actually analysis and investigation resulting in a conclusion. See, here's the difference between noob and experienced: I look at your votes and see some random votes followed by some "real" votes that I take as you guessing, not because your postcount is low, but because I've played with you, and I think you go almost entirely off your gut, which might get lucky now and then, but it's not working off of analysis. I see Cyan vote and my mind immediately asks "What does Cyan see that I don't?" When he indicates what made him vote, I have to decide whether or not I agree, which helps me in weighing whether Cyan is town or scum. Of course, in this case, when he's voting you for being you...I think he should know better.
How can stormblind be voting for two people?
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I have chortles. R_0 wasn't scum in F451, because there wasn't a scum team and the game was skewed towards one of two cults.
His behavior here seems similar to that game. So, obviously, I think he is scum here too.
Fixed. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.
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How is his behavior here similar? If I understand correctly, he replaced into that game after the random phase, and you're talking about his behavior here in the random phase and immediately afterward, so you really don't have anything to compare it to. That being said, if you can provide empirical evidence of behavioral similarities, I might rethink my position on him. So far, all you've said, repeatedly, is that his "behavior seems similar."
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Cyan has also proven the ability to harass some of the best players of mtgs into making stupid mistakes. Cyans method is great for KILLING people.
Thank you for atleast making a clear statement on where you stand on this issue.
It actually can. Okay, well, it cant be RANDOM, but it can definitely not be SERIOUS. I think that's the question right? How SERIOUS was the vote.
Thanks buttercup. But, again, kissing up wont help, im pretty sure everyone loves me equally.
Have i been gone so long that people have started defending other people? Are you all retarded and feel the NEED to defend other people? Is it because all the new players you must defend people?Seriously, thats about all ive seen thusfar since i left last night. People defending Joboman/WWAB, or attacking joboman/Zaj. Just plain STOP DEFENDING OTHER PEOPLE.
mmm Sticky.
Foofy, you should post words, and...not... "VOTES!" It looks bad.
From what i've heard, your gut isn't terribly reliable and often wrong, and as you yourself say, there's alot of viable points here. Hmm... stickin my vote for now.
You just stated he gets mislynched alot due to his playstyle, and yet you're going to lynch him for his playstyle. Contradictory.
Its actually my really really OLD avatar. I used this years ago. haha. And thats a lie. i just post alot. Fact still remains, the portion discussed is about the random phase, and with 0 randomphase portions of joboman, it is unreliable to state "he was like this in other games and was scum." mainly because THERE WERE NO OTHER GAMES AT THIS STAGE.
Looks like Cyan is playing to the fact that jobo always becomes the center of wagons for the way he always flails about. Great opportunity to engage jobo into a post war and have the town come down on jobo. As evident in the below post. vote cyan
I don't tend to see much analyzing. Just the eyes fixed on and bulldogs through. Meaning he gets ahold of someone, convinces himself they are scum and proceeds to rip them down in a battle of posts.
Flew should post more, I liked his post.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
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Cyan is seeming more and more scummy, so Unvote, Vote: Cyan.
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Wow. What is you basis for this, because Cyan has said very little in the game. I think you are jumping on the wagon because you think it'll be an easy wagon. And, I think you're scum.
Unvote, Vote Zajnet
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I also think that manders first few posts were good, but that she should stop just barning so hard and actually make arguments.
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are you serious here? the hipocracy is just... horrible.
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I think you should worry about your own playstyle.
What hipocracy?
I voted him because the phrasing of that post where he voted Cyan screamed "I'm just doing this because I'm scum and this looks like a nice mislynch" If you can't see that, not my problem.
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And I also like how you deflected onto me.
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Oh my god this game is taking a turn for the awesomely hilarious.
Unfortunately, I'm going to go ahead and confirm WoD as town because otherwise his scumbuddies would have PM'd him by now.
Can Bolmedias please post content as soon as possible? We're out of the random phase and posting fluff is of no help to the town.
I'm willing to consider Joboman as scum if and only if Manders is scum, too. Their back and forth is hilariously clunky. What do you think, Cyan?
No, I don't. I said that's what his post felt like to me. Never said I thought it would work.
Seconded
Am I trying to change your playstyle or give you advice? No. Never again, btw.
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Back and forth between us is bound to happen, whether we're on the same team or not. Just read any game we've been in together. We were both town in L4D.
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If I was scum, would I really be that obvious? Think what you want, but I voted for Cyan because I believe Cyan to be scum.
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WIFOM.
But, yes, noob scum could make an obvious mistake such as this.
Sorry, but Cyan doesn't seem scum as of right now.
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Why did you use the smilie face? Shouldn't you be happy that we have a confirmed town?
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Confirmed town is a good thing. WoD confirmed town is a waste.
And FREELY Confirmed town just feels cheap.
I c wut u did thar.
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Why is WoD confirmed town a waste?
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How do we know that WoD is confirmed town? Maybe his scumbuddies did PM him, and he's just acting like they didn't so that we think he's confirmed town. WIFOM!
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I'm only a noob to forum mafia. I've played the card game enough times to not make such obvious mistakes.
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Um, WIFOM. Why do you think the scum have day talk?
This feels like a catch, but I don't know if it's a significant one.
@ WoD: If you seriously didn't get a role PM, why did Silent Prophet start the game without everyone confirming?
I think he meant before the day opened. The OP said night-talkers could talk until then.
However, the question to WoD is excellent, and I second it as well.
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Hearsay. Noob until proven otherwise (which, by the way, I'm not proven otherwise quite yet myself ;)).
Oooooooh. Right. I guess they would have at least attempted to make contact. Unless they're WoD-haters, in which case they might have been like "Hrm, WoD's awfully quiet....oh well, let's start the game!" But I suppose all the mafia would have had to report in for SP to start the game?
BTW, pretty convinced Cantripmancer is town.
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So WoD must be confirmed town then since we couldn't have left night 0 without him reporting in if he was scum.
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Suggestion: Some form of claim be done. I dont know what, or CARE what, but... everyones... being.... BORING.
Here, ill unilaterally start: My character is female.
HUZZAH.
Calm down mon petit amour fruite. Just thought you may have some insight into it.
Claim's fine for me. I'm also female.
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I don't have any objection to a gender claim, but unilaterally starting like this feels...rushed. And while I don't think the current discussion is excessively invigorating, I don't think we're exactly stalled...why are you so impatient?
Um, whut? Undaykill Cantripmancer.
(J/k...if I just got daykilled, I might as well have some fun with it.)
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... :o:o:o:o:o
Are you joking? Cantripmancer was incredi-town imo.
And my character is a mal(e)
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Why did you do this?
Don't.
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