I have to ask: Why would you do something atypically impulsive at the start of this game?
There's little harm in waiting a few hours for you to attempt it, which would give players a chance to post, and possibly get some kind of a read on them. You only have one chance to set up a connection today, so even if you're playing the better-than-even random odds of hitting a townie, there's still the possibility that someone will attempt a hook-up to your choice later in the day.
Well it caught Alpha rejecting a connection request.
Mod: If a Garaman requests a connection and is rejected, can that Garaman make additional requests before the end of the day? If so, can that Garaman make additional requests for connection to the same person?
The thing is, my ability requires being connected for certain amounts of time to become more powerful. I would obviously want it to last as long as possible to get the more powerful ability.
Two points about connections.
1) I feel like we should not be making requests until towards the end of the day. The symbiotes/hosts should be fairly confidant that the connectee? can be trusted and the players innocence/guilt may change over the course of the day. Also, this can be a waste of a request if it gets rejected early because of suspicion.
2) I feel we should not connect day 1 as we currently do not have enough information unless you are damn near certain the player is town. We do not want powered up scum.
As of right now, I am not open to requests, so don't waste them.
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2) I feel we should not connect day 1 as we currently do not have enough information unless you are damn near certain the player is town. We do not want powered up scum.
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Well it caught Alpha rejecting a connection request.
Oh wow. AI rejects a connection request made before anyone has even had a chance to post. Surely that must mean he's unforgivable scum... <end sarcasm>
Hmm... Seppel's play is strange... stranger than usual I mean. It's scummy, but feels a little too obvious scummy, possibly neutral. But I am sure as hell getting no town vibes from him.
Hmm... Seppel's play is strange... stranger than usual I mean. It's scummy, but feels a little too obvious scummy, possibly neutral. But I am sure as hell getting no town vibes from him.
Vote Seppel
* Seppel points to this post:
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I am scummy. I am not scum. This is just how the world works. Get over it already.
Seppel is running around like a chicken with his head cut off asking for a person to join with him and lashing out at those who want to take a more cautious approach today and voting them for it (see his vote of KoD). His entire behavior is scummy and he is trying to pass it off by saying he isn't scum (which he claims every game is in... repeatedly).
He may or may not have reasons not stated, for voting KoD. And I'm still not seeing the thing about his behavior - what exactly is scummy about it?
It's scummy because he is lashing out at people that don't agree with what he is doing or wants to wait until another day. It is all fine and well to disagree with someone, but the way he is acting is that he must be right therefore they are not town, or something like that it seems. Plus he wants reckless connecting. Especially since he wants everybody who can to try and make him their host, effectively shutting off any chance they would have to make a connection today if needed for some reason.
Plus he responded to my vote by quoting himself saying he knew he is acting scummy, but isn't scum, which isn't a response at all.
Hmm... Seppel's play is strange... stranger than usual I mean. It's scummy, but feels a little too obvious scummy, possibly neutral. But I am sure as hell getting no town vibes from him.
Vote Seppel
This makes me wish i had two votes, and there was a second lynch today, like family mafia, except without all the 2 lives bullcrap stuff.
Seppel is running around like a chicken with his head cut off asking for a person to join with him and lashing out at those who want to take a more cautious approach today and voting them for it (see his vote of KoD). His entire behavior is scummy and he is trying to pass it off by saying he isn't scum (which he claims every game is in... repeatedly).
So, the why is it a scum tell, you yourself in the same post say you are voteing seppel for something he does everygame. Awsome. I cannot deside on a wagon, I must be tired. I'll try to decide which of the glareing scum is most worthy of a vote between Asia and Dog thing.
@ Seppel: Any explanation for the vote on KoD? Is it a serious vote?
Not only did he rehash what other people said about not connecting (pretty sure GUARDMAN was one of them, or Toastboy... it's going to be hard to tell the difference between those two names (first he was a boy, now he's a MAN)), but he said it in a way that was paranoid in favor of the scum.
He wasn't like LET'S POWER UP BECAUSE IT MIGHT HELP THE TOWN, no, that didn't even come into his head. He just wanted to not give the scum any advantage. He's not thinking from the right point of view.
Well I'll tell you what: As town, we don't need no goddamned gameplay advantage to root out scum.
It's scummy because he is lashing out at people that don't agree with what he is doing or wants to wait until another day. It is all fine and well to disagree with someone, but the way he is acting is that he must be right therefore they are not town, or something like that it seems. Plus he wants reckless connecting. Especially since he wants everybody who can to try and make him their host, effectively shutting off any chance they would have to make a connection today if needed for some reason.
Are you incinuating that I might spread some sort of disease when my partners connect intimately with me?
The fact that you identify your vote on me as at least partially serious implies that your Fos on Az is at least partially serious. And the second line doesn't sound like random-stage jabber; it sounds serious. I called it a misrep, as I didn't see anywhere that Az stated that Terrans shouldn't disclose whether they're free, but you start this argument and accuse him, and now you're sweeping it under the rug. And your reason for now voting Az seems terrible to me.
Unvote: Axelrod, Vote: ZeDorkSlipeur
@Key: Why did you feel compelled to reiterate arguments that others have made this thread as though they were being discovered for the first time?
After reading through this all I
a) have to agree with stormbind - enough dicking about with mechanics and lets get playing
b) FOS Seppel based on actions and posts you are coming off very scummy, now I havnt played with you enough to know if thats just how you play or whether or not you are in fact scum
c) I dont see why there is a wagon forming on Key so far I dont see anything scummy coming from him, in fact he is cautioning everyone to wait and not jump on a connection and that make a lot of sense for the town.
d)IGMEOY Chris for jumping on the key wagon without good reason.
e) Vote Seppel after re-reading the last couple pages before finishing this post I can not stand by allow your scumness to continue.
I don't see Key as scum ATM (though I'm refraining from explaining why since it'd give him an out), but I would still like to see what else he has to say.
tordeck on the other hand says:
a) Lets completely ignore the mechanic. Not just refrain from using it immediately, not just I am refusing all connections, but a flat "let's ignore the mechanic entirely and move on".
b) FOSes someone he calls "very scummy", but leaves an escape route of "maybe it's just an erratic style".
c)
d) More "scumminess" accusations without any reasons, "I can not stand by and allow your scumminess to continue" rings hollow to me.
I stated also that I was agreeing with SB comments which I felt implied that I did not mean we should ignore them but stop over analyzing them and start playing. Which is exactly what SB stated. I just was agreeing with him. I did not intend for it to come out any other way. And I'm not going to refuse all connections. I would be open to them I think that we should wait till we know more but I am not against them totally. I feel that you took my post out of context.
Tordeck appears to be actually moving his eyes from one side to the other when making that post. You're very defensive of Key for someone who you just see as 'not that scummy', and exactly how is Seppel scummy?
c) I dont see why there is a wagon forming on Key so far I dont see anything scummy coming from him, in fact he is cautioning everyone to wait and not jump on a connection and that make a lot of sense for the town.
Where exactly do I say that I find Key "not that scummy" and go back and read seppel's posts. If thats not scummy I dont know what is.
tordeck on the other hand says:
a) Lets completely ignore the mechanic. Not just refrain from using it immediately, not just I am refusing all connections, but a flat "let's ignore the mechanic entirely and move on".
That was my first thought, but then I reread, and realized that he's not saying "let's ignore the mechanic," he's saying "let's stop debating rules and start playing the game".
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b) FOSes someone he calls "very scummy", but leaves an escape route of "maybe it's just an erratic style".
c)
d) More "scumminess" accusations without any reasons, "I can not stand by and allow your scumminess to continue" rings hollow to me.
c) I dont see why there is a wagon forming on Key so far I dont see anything scummy coming from him, in fact he is cautioning everyone to wait and not jump on a connection and that make a lot of sense for the town.
@SB: O.o Interesting vote. You seem to be as confused by it as I am.
2) I feel we should not connect day 1 as we currently do not have enough information unless you are damn near certain the player is town. We do not want powered up scum.
How about a powered-up cop, doc, or vig? How do you think those roles would weigh affect the math?
Seppel is not scummy. Wanting a symbiote is not scummy. Key may be scummy, especially if Zebi's assumption that the scum in base form are more powerful than the town in base form. I don't see Zebi as scummy unless I squint really hard. I will need convincing, and not in the form of "hey guys 1.000.000 points to everyone who agrees with me!"
Would you consider yourself a soft target? *eyebrow*
Seppel is a Seppel; if you have a reliable town read on him this early in the game without being scum, I'm impressed. Wanting a symbiote can absolutely be scummy, if you have the wrong reason behind it. Key's post was scummy for reasons entirely apart from the setup speculation.
I'm pretty sure that means everything you say is wrong.
c) I dont see why there is a wagon forming on Key so far I dont see anything scummy coming from him, in fact he is cautioning everyone to wait and not jump on a connection and that make a lot of sense for the town.
Can you tell me how the two blue lines are even remotely saying the same thing.
That was my first thought, but then I reread, and realized that he's not saying "let's ignore the mechanic," he's saying "let's stop debating rules and start playing the game".
How about a powered-up cop, doc, or vig? How do you think those roles would weigh affect the math?
How about a powered up scum mass/multi roleblocker or a scum multikiller? That pretty much has the potential to negate any power ups the town receives.
Additionally, this part of the rules keeps coming back up in my mind.
Quote from rules »
However, the Connection can leave you vulnerable to the other person - be careful who you trust.
i could be wrong about this, but it seems like connecting with scum would be detrimental to the symbiote/host in some way. between this and powering up scum, i feel caution needs to be used in who we connect with.
An alternate i guess would be for 1 or 2 people to make connections and see what sort of interaction the symbiote/host has before everyone goes around making connections willy-nilly.
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So, the why is it a scum tell, you yourself in the same post say you are voteing seppel for something he does everygame. Awsome. I cannot deside on a wagon, I must be tired. I'll try to decide which of the glareing scum is most worthy of a vote between Asia and Dog thing.
I should be sleeping. that is all.
No I am saying that he is trying to pass off his reasons as well I am town. But he calls himself town in every game, and does nothing to explain his behavior or reasoning. So really I am quite happy with my vote where it is right now.
And Stormblind still hasn't answered my question...
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I have to ask: How does it matter? What's done is done. Unless you are implying SB is scum of course (are you implying this?).
SB (generally a solid player) being deliberately fast and loose this game (Seppel-ish?) means I have to take that into account when I gauge his towniness/scumminess.
Glad to see KoD is also contemplating the potential badness of "making connections willy-nilly".
You said "I dont see anything scummy coming from him"(him being KoD). I'll admit, that you did not, in fact, say "not that scummy", but that's nitpicking - the meaning is almost the same.
Also, you ignored my post.
Unvote Vote tordeck
Actually the meanings are completely different. And I ignored your questions because they were useless. If you had read my posts you would know the answer to your questions. I am not going to do your work for you.
The more i read his posts the more I had a bad feeling about it. It is just an aura he puts off in his posts. I don't feel right around them. He seems to be the most scum to me and therefore i voted for him.
I stated also that I was agreeing with SB comments which I felt implied that I did not mean we should ignore them but stop over analyzing them and start playing. Which is exactly what SB stated. I just was agreeing with him. I did not intend for it to come out any other way. And I'm not going to refuse all connections. I would be open to them I think that we should wait till we know more but I am not against them totally. I feel that you took my post out of context.
Erm, no. You said, "Let's curtail discussion about the mechanic." You then followed that with, "I'm not going to utilize the mechanic."
SB said he was against using the mechanic as the central method for analysis for the game, and that formulating a Day 1 plan around the mechanic is risky and not fun. Unlike you, he tried to connect to someone, which shows the mechanic is still a large part of the game for him.
What I dislike is that you have used his opinion as an excuse to both not connect with anyone as host or otherwise, and you have told the town to stop talking about the mechanic under the guise of "getting to playing the game". It's not like conversation was solely centered around the mechanic, conversation was using people opinions about the mechanic to frame their mindset as a town one or a scum one - you seem to have found the niche of stopping discussion and ignoring the mechanic, neither of those are int he interest of the town.
Even Key, who you did defend, said "lets not use the mechanic today, and let's not use the mechanic unless we are certain it won't benefit the scum". That's an overly paranoid sentiment, and it's impossible to actually guarantee something will not benefit the scum (especially since just about everything in mafia is risk vs. reward, and pretty much nothing is guaranteed).
Hello everyone. I fail to see how the mechanics are helping the scum more than the town.
If the town has at least three active conections they beat the mafia. From what I read I see people say there are 6 mafia so I say we better form conections from day 1 than just say and sit there.
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Erm, no. You said, "Let's curtail discussion about the mechanic." You then followed that with, "I'm not going to utilize the mechanic."
SB said he was against using the mechanic as the central method for analysis for the game, and that formulating a Day 1 plan around the mechanic is risky and not fun. Unlike you, he tried to connect to someone, which shows the mechanic is still a large part of the game for him.
please use a real forum quote and tell me exactly where i said i wouldnt use the mechanic. You wont find it. In fact you will find that i stated i was in favor of using the connections but that it was too soon to do so.
You are really trying to make me look bad by misquoting what i have said. I challenge all here to go back and re-read my posts and then compare them to what this guys is saying. You will see that is deliberately trying to make me look bad unjustifiably. Since I cant vote twice and am already voting for who I believe is one scum player I will have to just FOS E_P for now, whom i believe to be a scum as well.
three connections means 6 players involved.Someone said there are probably 6 scums so by having 3 connections we have at least the number of powered players they have.
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After reading through this all I
a) have to agree with stormbind - enough dicking about with mechanics and lets get playing
b) FOS Seppel based on actions and posts you are coming off very scummy, now I havnt played with you enough to know if thats just how you play or whether or not you are in fact scum
c) I dont see why there is a wagon forming on Key so far I dont see anything scummy coming from him, in fact he is cautioning everyone to wait and not jump on a connection and that make a lot of sense for the town.
d)IGMEOY Chris for jumping on the key wagon without good reason.
e) Vote Seppel after re-reading the last couple pages before finishing this post I can not stand by allow your scumness to continue.
Wow.
(a) is a direct contradiction with (b) and (e). I am using the mechanics just as much as StormBlind is, and I'm not "dicking around," which I can only assume is Azrael's "creating a system of rules for connections," because otherwise that contradicts (c). If "dicking around" means using the mechanics willy-nilly for the good of the town, then that contradicts (a).
For (d), Chris basically said "/agree" which is a legitimate reason if you have nothing else to add.
I am currently of the mindset that both the town and scum have only a few roles that get really good when powered up, and the scum aren't good at faking a need to get connected and are instead connecting with each other.
I don't get town feelings from tordeck; I get confused and angry feelings from tordeck. I think he's likely town posting poorly and drawing lots of attention onto himself. The scum love him. I think we're wasting our time focusing on him right now. Let's move on (without forgetting about him).
I don't see Seppel as scummy atm.
I don't think I see Guardman as scummy, but the posts of his that people have identified as scummy, for the most part, flabbergast me and make me feel like I'm--yet again--missing something obvious.
I still feel like ZDS's crusade against Az was ill-founded, and his persistence for so long followed by his jump to Key does nothing to paint him better in my mind. My money's still on ZDS.
That's possible, you seem to be trying to dismiss it.
I didn't even think about it until you mentioned it. I suppose it is funny that I might've softclaimed in my first post that I'm really a whore and I'm trying to infect people via connections.
But that's just stupid.
The mechanic idea is neat, though. I'd be interested to see if RobRoy implemented something like it. It might be a little overpowered, and it would go against townies trusting connections.
I still feel like ZDS's crusade against Az was ill-founded, and his persistence for so long followed by his jump to Key does nothing to paint him better in my mind. My money's still on ZDS.
I don't get why az doesn't want to bond?
Maybe he figured that the town has some PR and it would be better if he convinces the town to stay away of connections. I'm not that inclined to believe that not forming connections is good
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How about a powered up scum mass/multi roleblocker or a scum multikiller? That pretty much has the potential to negate any power ups the town receives.
Did you ever stop to think that scum could just connect with other scum?!
I don't get why az doesn't want to bond?
Maybe he figured that the town has some PR and it would be better if he convinces the town to stay away of connections. I'm not that inclined to believe that not forming connections is good
E_P is looking for a symbiote, if you'd like to connect to him.
Well it caught Alpha rejecting a connection request.
Yes. Every Garaman gets one request per day.
No. Every Garamon gets one request per day.
Like all of it. I wanted someone to talk to.
That doesn't answer my question.
Then connect to me! Or E_P. What the hell, dude?
YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO WANT YOUR BODY ON THEM
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Will catch up on the pages soon as I finish this damn presentation (and studying for my test).
/sigh. Fine. If you screw me with this, I'm going to be annoyed. Just so everybody knows, I am now sending a request to Seppel.
1) I feel like we should not be making requests until towards the end of the day. The symbiotes/hosts should be fairly confidant that the connectee? can be trusted and the players innocence/guilt may change over the course of the day. Also, this can be a waste of a request if it gets rejected early because of suspicion.
2) I feel we should not connect day 1 as we currently do not have enough information unless you are damn near certain the player is town. We do not want powered up scum.
As of right now, I am not open to requests, so don't waste them.
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SCREW YOU
Unvote, vote KoD
Oh wow. AI rejects a connection request made before anyone has even had a chance to post. Surely that must mean he's unforgivable scum... <end sarcasm>
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
Nice "catch."
And you still see no issue in simple "come connect with me" announcements?
You're a loony.
Vote Seppel
* Seppel points to this post:
Hello I am Yawgmoth. I am town. Just ignore the zombies that are attacking everybody.
Seppel is running around like a chicken with his head cut off asking for a person to join with him and lashing out at those who want to take a more cautious approach today and voting them for it (see his vote of KoD). His entire behavior is scummy and he is trying to pass it off by saying he isn't scum (which he claims every game is in... repeatedly).
It's scummy because he is lashing out at people that don't agree with what he is doing or wants to wait until another day. It is all fine and well to disagree with someone, but the way he is acting is that he must be right therefore they are not town, or something like that it seems. Plus he wants reckless connecting. Especially since he wants everybody who can to try and make him their host, effectively shutting off any chance they would have to make a connection today if needed for some reason.
Plus he responded to my vote by quoting himself saying he knew he is acting scummy, but isn't scum, which isn't a response at all.
Understood.
I'm going to have to agree with this meta brought forward by Seppel.
This makes me wish i had two votes, and there was a second lynch today, like family mafia, except without all the 2 lives bullcrap stuff.
Awsome posting.
So, the why is it a scum tell, you yourself in the same post say you are voteing seppel for something he does everygame. Awsome. I cannot deside on a wagon, I must be tired. I'll try to decide which of the glareing scum is most worthy of a vote between Asia and Dog thing.
I should be sleeping. that is all.
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Not only did he rehash what other people said about not connecting (pretty sure GUARDMAN was one of them, or Toastboy... it's going to be hard to tell the difference between those two names (first he was a boy, now he's a MAN)), but he said it in a way that was paranoid in favor of the scum.
He wasn't like LET'S POWER UP BECAUSE IT MIGHT HELP THE TOWN, no, that didn't even come into his head. He just wanted to not give the scum any advantage. He's not thinking from the right point of view.
Well I'll tell you what: As town, we don't need no goddamned gameplay advantage to root out scum.
BTW, I'm connected now. And it feels good.
Are you incinuating that I might spread some sort of disease when my partners connect intimately with me?
Guardman(2) - Axelrod, ~Tilde~
E_P(2) - Toastboy, mmod
Seppel(2) - Zebi, Guardman
KeyofDestiny(2) - Seppel, ChrisXIV
AsianInvasion(1) - Niv
Azrael(1) - ZDS
Axelrod(1) - Cantripmancer
desCoures(1) - zindabad
Toastboy(1) - Cyouni
zindabad(1) - desCoures
Zebi(1) - Azrael
Not voting:
AsianInvasion
bolmedias
E_P
Gigas1
KeyofDestiny
StormBlind
tordeck
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@Key: Why did you feel compelled to reiterate arguments that others have made this thread as though they were being discovered for the first time?
a) have to agree with stormbind - enough dicking about with mechanics and lets get playing
b) FOS Seppel based on actions and posts you are coming off very scummy, now I havnt played with you enough to know if thats just how you play or whether or not you are in fact scum
c) I dont see why there is a wagon forming on Key so far I dont see anything scummy coming from him, in fact he is cautioning everyone to wait and not jump on a connection and that make a lot of sense for the town.
d)IGMEOY Chris for jumping on the key wagon without good reason.
e) Vote Seppel after re-reading the last couple pages before finishing this post I can not stand by allow your scumness to continue.
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I don't see Key as scum ATM (though I'm refraining from explaining why since it'd give him an out), but I would still like to see what else he has to say.
tordeck on the other hand says:
a) Lets completely ignore the mechanic. Not just refrain from using it immediately, not just I am refusing all connections, but a flat "let's ignore the mechanic entirely and move on".
b) FOSes someone he calls "very scummy", but leaves an escape route of "maybe it's just an erratic style".
c)
d) More "scumminess" accusations without any reasons, "I can not stand by and allow your scumminess to continue" rings hollow to me.
The Family
Where exactly do I say that I find Key "not that scummy" and go back and read seppel's posts. If thats not scummy I dont know what is.
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Heyyy, that was MY statement
Unvote, Vote Gigas1
I REALLY Dont know why i do, but this post to me comes off incredibly... non-townie.
That was my first thought, but then I reread, and realized that he's not saying "let's ignore the mechanic," he's saying "let's stop debating rules and start playing the game".
Yeah, this part doesn't sit well with me.
I thought about questioning Az on this, too, but he obviously wanted someone to question him on it, which seemed odd. So I avoided it.
Wow...that would be a rather nifty cult ability, wouldn't it? And since he "exposed" the idea himself, it distances him from the concept.
Um, right here:
@SB: O.o Interesting vote. You seem to be as confused by it as I am.
@Toastboy - Think post numbers.
How about a powered-up cop, doc, or vig? How do you think those roles would weigh affect the math?
Would you consider yourself a soft target? *eyebrow*
Seppel is a Seppel; if you have a reliable town read on him this early in the game without being scum, I'm impressed. Wanting a symbiote can absolutely be scummy, if you have the wrong reason behind it. Key's post was scummy for reasons entirely apart from the setup speculation.
I'm pretty sure that means everything you say is wrong.
Can you tell me how the two blue lines are even remotely saying the same thing.
Exactly.
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How about a powered up scum mass/multi roleblocker or a scum multikiller? That pretty much has the potential to negate any power ups the town receives.
Additionally, this part of the rules keeps coming back up in my mind.
i could be wrong about this, but it seems like connecting with scum would be detrimental to the symbiote/host in some way. between this and powering up scum, i feel caution needs to be used in who we connect with.
An alternate i guess would be for 1 or 2 people to make connections and see what sort of interaction the symbiote/host has before everyone goes around making connections willy-nilly.
Mafia Stats:
2/3 Loss(#28 Town Disgaea,)
1/3 Wins(#29 Chess replacement, #1 Town GCF)
No I am saying that he is trying to pass off his reasons as well I am town. But he calls himself town in every game, and does nothing to explain his behavior or reasoning. So really I am quite happy with my vote where it is right now.
SB (generally a solid player) being deliberately fast and loose this game (Seppel-ish?) means I have to take that into account when I gauge his towniness/scumminess.
Glad to see KoD is also contemplating the potential badness of "making connections willy-nilly".
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
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SB said he was against using the mechanic as the central method for analysis for the game, and that formulating a Day 1 plan around the mechanic is risky and not fun. Unlike you, he tried to connect to someone, which shows the mechanic is still a large part of the game for him.
What I dislike is that you have used his opinion as an excuse to both not connect with anyone as host or otherwise, and you have told the town to stop talking about the mechanic under the guise of "getting to playing the game". It's not like conversation was solely centered around the mechanic, conversation was using people opinions about the mechanic to frame their mindset as a town one or a scum one - you seem to have found the niche of stopping discussion and ignoring the mechanic, neither of those are int he interest of the town.
Even Key, who you did defend, said "lets not use the mechanic today, and let's not use the mechanic unless we are certain it won't benefit the scum". That's an overly paranoid sentiment, and it's impossible to actually guarantee something will not benefit the scum (especially since just about everything in mafia is risk vs. reward, and pretty much nothing is guaranteed).
If the town has at least three active conections they beat the mafia. From what I read I see people say there are 6 mafia so I say we better form conections from day 1 than just say and sit there.
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You are really trying to make me look bad by misquoting what i have said. I challenge all here to go back and re-read my posts and then compare them to what this guys is saying. You will see that is deliberately trying to make me look bad unjustifiably. Since I cant vote twice and am already voting for who I believe is one scum player I will have to just FOS E_P for now, whom i believe to be a scum as well.
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Apologies. Corrected official votecount, as of 180:
Seppel(3) - Zebi, Guardman, tordeck
Guardman(3) - Axelrod, ~Tilde~, Toastboy
KeyofDestiny(2) - Seppel, ZDS
tordeck(2) - E_P, ChrisXIV
E_P(1) - mmod
AsianInvasion(1) - Niv
ZDS(1) - Cantripmancer
desCoures(1) - zindabad
Toastboy(1) - Cyouni
zindabad(1) - desCoures
Zebi(1) - Azrael
Gigas1(1) - StormBlind
Not voting:
AsianInvasion
Gigas1
KeyofDestiny
vezokpiraka
With 22 players alive, it is 12 votes to lynch. Please let me know if you believe I have made an error.
The deadline for the day is at 5 pm Eastern on Wednesday, June 2nd.
Wow.
(a) is a direct contradiction with (b) and (e). I am using the mechanics just as much as StormBlind is, and I'm not "dicking around," which I can only assume is Azrael's "creating a system of rules for connections," because otherwise that contradicts (c). If "dicking around" means using the mechanics willy-nilly for the good of the town, then that contradicts (a).
For (d), Chris basically said "/agree" which is a legitimate reason if you have nothing else to add.
I am currently of the mindset that both the town and scum have only a few roles that get really good when powered up, and the scum aren't good at faking a need to get connected and are instead connecting with each other.
I don't see Seppel as scummy atm.
I don't think I see Guardman as scummy, but the posts of his that people have identified as scummy, for the most part, flabbergast me and make me feel like I'm--yet again--missing something obvious.
I still feel like ZDS's crusade against Az was ill-founded, and his persistence for so long followed by his jump to Key does nothing to paint him better in my mind. My money's still on ZDS.
The boy is adventurous; the man is a coward. Got it.
And "spelt" is spelled "spelled."
I didn't even think about it until you mentioned it. I suppose it is funny that I might've softclaimed in my first post that I'm really a whore and I'm trying to infect people via connections.
But that's just stupid.
The mechanic idea is neat, though. I'd be interested to see if RobRoy implemented something like it. It might be a little overpowered, and it would go against townies trusting connections.
Will you see me scummy later?
/agree
Maybe he figured that the town has some PR and it would be better if he convinces the town to stay away of connections. I'm not that inclined to believe that not forming connections is good
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Did you ever stop to think that scum could just connect with other scum?!
Seriously, does Bolmedias just join games to replace out now?
E_P is looking for a symbiote, if you'd like to connect to him.
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I don't know why, but I really don't trust you.
You should know by now that English follows other languages down dark allies, knocks them over, and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
That's a fair cop, guv.
Read Tordeck's short existance as scum in Tales of Vesperia Mafia.