vezokpiraka seems to have an ability that has a negative effect on his Symbiote, so as a Garaman I'd be hesitant to Connect to anyone so eager to Host.
For axelrod: I connected. Bol didn't try to connect.
For toastboy: Nothing had changed.I analysed the situation better. Also I don't really know what to do. I saw the wagon was formed by some very strange people and my vote was a little off. So I unvoted To ponder the situation
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Weekends are bad for me because I spend most of it with my wife and dont get online for more than a few minutes a day. I have answers for Chris and things to say to E_P but I need you to wait till monday before I can post anything longer. Thankx
Jeez. I'm sorry my logical rebuttals are nothing more than logical rebuttals. If I had added a "therefore you are scum" at the end of my rebuttal to Key, would you feel better about it?
It would certainly make it easier to determine if you are scum.
I apologize for incorrectly presuming that your post had the intended result of contributing to scum-hunting and wasting our time by conversing as if that were the case.
Not that I'm aware of; I was referring to players in general who are eager to be Hosts, citing vezokpiraka as an example of a player with a role that potentially has a negative effect on the Symbiote. I wouldn't want to Connect to someone who desperately wanted a Symbiote. (Read about In the Market for Lemons.) I agree that we should be Connecting for the best chance to defeat the scum (who can easily Connect with each other), but doing so haphazardly is unwise; we need to plan out the best course of action.
So now that we've agreed that the last section is a null tell, what's so scummy about asking for people to contact him? Why are you voting him?
It's the way he is doing it. He basically wants every person that can try to connect with him so he can choose the best one. He admitted that himself. This is an anti-town action. He is taking away the possibility that if we need to power up somebody today for some reason that we can't now. Not to mention how he lashed out at Key for suggesting that people shouldn't connect with him.
Right now I am leaning more towards neutral than out and out scum, but either way his actions clearly show that he is out for himself much more than the town.
For toastboy: Nothing had changed.I analysed the situation better. Also I don't really know what to do. I saw the wagon was formed by some very strange people and my vote was a little off. So I unvoted To ponder the situation
So you unvoted because the people on the wagon were strange. What is strange about them and why is this reason to unvote. Also why did you vote in the first place then.
What do you think about ~Tilde~? I'm surprised that people don't seem worried that he asked Seppel to claim at only a handful of votes.
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I want to know if ~Tilde~ is still trying to force Seppel to claim.
I don't believe I ever asked Seppel to claim, I believe I said:
I DO know that it warrants an explanation, and I think the easiest way to do that at this point is to pressure a claim out of him. If this continues, we'll wind up spending so much of day 1 wondering what the heck Seppel's up to that we won't have time to make informed decisions when the deadline suddenly starts looming.
That is to say, I made the suggestion that we should run Seppel up to the point where he'd be obligated to claim. Obviously this suggestion was pretty much tossed out. I still believe Seppel's activity in this game so far is some kind of stall tactic / diversion, which reeks as scummy to me.
AI, your apparent defense of Seppel so far in this game, as well as the "mudslinging":
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Can't say I like AInvasion. I see mudslinging against Niv, E_P and (somewhat) Gigas and I find that scummy
leads me to also think of you as scummy. At this point I'd be happy voting for either Seppel or AI, and since I'm already voting Seppel, there's not much reason to move it now is there?
I don't believe I ever asked Seppel to claim, I believe I said:
That is to say, I made the suggestion that we should run Seppel up to the point where he'd be obligated to claim. Obviously this suggestion was pretty much tossed out. I still believe Seppel's activity in this game so far is some kind of stall tactic / diversion, which reeks as scummy to me.
AI, your apparent defense of Seppel so far in this game, as well as the "mudslinging":
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Can't say I like AInvasion. I see mudslinging against Niv, E_P and (somewhat) Gigas and I find that scummy
leads me to also think of you as scummy. At this point I'd be happy voting for either Seppel or AI, and since I'm already voting Seppel, there's not much reason to move it now is there?
You suggest we push Seppel to L-2 (this is the part where I accuse you of trying to force players to vote against their will) just so he can claim? Then you barn mmod and OMGUS me?
Liking my vote.
For the record, I never stated that I'm sure that Seppel is definitively town; to do so would be woefully premature. All I know for sure is that your attacks against him have been unjustifiably bad.
For the record, I never stated that I'm sure that Seppel is definitively town; to do so would be woefully premature.
And yet you're responding to anyone who even looks at Seppel closely as if you were:
a) certain of his townie alignment and
b) think that anyone who believes otherwise must be scummy
That reads as: protecting a scum partner in my book, and from that last post, you've realized you've been caught and are furiously backpedaling.
And yet you're responding to anyone who even looks at Seppel closely as if you were:
a) certain of his townie alignment and
b) think that anyone who believes otherwise must be scummy
That reads as: protecting a scum partner in my book, and from that last post, you've realized you've been caught and are furiously backpedaling.
1. Read my posts in this game and get back to me when you find one that has me stating that Seppel is unquestionably town. His actual alignment is largely unrelated to how bad your attack was.
2. I already broke down the Seppel wagon and concluded that your vote and accompanying explanation looked the worst. You're scummy for making a bad attack, not for disagreeing with me.
You have no case and you are scum.
You are being you. Tilde is being Tilde. Everyone is now trying to decide whether that's a decent scum tell for either of you. I say it's not.
This is your third post of the game and I've yet to see you actually present/advance a case, express (real) suspicion, or do anything relevant. Fence-sitting is your thing apparently. Problem.
We need to push a wagon, but I don't like any of the main wagons right now (if you can even call them that). I'll support wagons on Chris, Toast or Az.
Case on Toastboy: His attack on Vezok is bull☺☺☺☺. See the evidence above. Unvote, Vote: Toastboy.
I agree that the attack is bad. However, in Toastboy's case, he seems to me to be pursuing the attack from a town perspective, in contrast to ~Tilde~ pushing for a claim and OMGUSing the opposition.
I don't believe I ever asked Seppel to claim, I believe I said:
I DO know that it warrants an explanation, and I think the easiest way to do that at this point is to pressure a claim out of him. If this continues, we'll wind up spending so much of day 1 wondering what the heck Seppel's up to that we won't have time to make informed decisions when the deadline suddenly starts looming.
That is to say, I made the suggestion that we should run Seppel up to the point where he'd be obligated to claim. Obviously this suggestion was pretty much tossed out. I still believe Seppel's activity in this game so far is some kind of stall tactic / diversion, which reeks as scummy to me.
AI, your apparent defense of Seppel so far in this game, as well as the "mudslinging":
leads me to also think of you as scummy. At this point I'd be happy voting for either Seppel or AI, and since I'm already voting Seppel, there's not much reason to move it now is there?
This is awful. Can you say "deflection?" I don't even understand why you'd try to parse your own words to say that you never asked Seppel to claim - just suggested that people vote Seppel until he'd be obligated to claim - because, yes, clearly these are so very different things.
What I'm getting is that you were afraid of the accusation of prematurely asking someone to claim, and that is the kind of thing that scum are afraid of.
Unvote;
Vote: ~Tilde~
I'm going to read back at the rest of ~Tilde's stuff this game to see if any of it looks better, but I'm perfectly happy with that vote for now.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Again, this accusation does not make sense. If Seppel claims, Tilde will be one of those responsible for it. There is no way around it and it is ludicrous to think he would try to not take responsibility.
Did you see him trying to not take responsibility for it just now?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
He's (apparently) not analyzing any posts, but just flailing wildly and making a big distracting ruckus. I can't see how that might be good for the town right now. And yes, flailing around wildly is reason to be voted for... players have legitimately done that to me when I've started going ballistic.
That big distracting ruckus he's making? That's how the town wins games.
For anyone. I'm pretty sure you shouldn't connect with seppel . She's drawing atention on her so some player will connect with her . I think she has reasons to be host but based on my role the abilities she gain are anti-town. I don't care how seppel played in other games but for me she/he seems very scummy.
So Vote Seppel
I like that you start off this post with a warning to other players.
This is awful. Can you say "deflection?" I don't even understand why you'd try to parse your own words to say that you never asked Seppel to claim - just suggested that people vote Seppel until he'd be obligated to claim - because, yes, clearly these are so very different things.
What I'm getting is that you were afraid of the accusation of prematurely asking someone to claim, and that is the kind of thing that scum are afraid of.
Unvote;
Vote: ~Tilde~
I'm going to read back at the rest of ~Tilde's stuff this game to see if any of it looks better, but I'm perfectly happy with that vote for now.
*eyebrow* Can you imagine a reason a townie Tilde might get defensive when the town starts eyeing him for a lynch? He has a bit of a history with the lynch...
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Again, this accusation does not make sense. If Seppel claims, Tilde will be one of those responsible for it. There is no way around it and it is ludicrous to think he would try to not take responsibility.[/font]
You are being you. Tilde is being Tilde. Everyone is now trying to decide whether that's a decent scum tell for either of you. I say it's not.
This is your third post of the game and I've yet to see you actually present/advance a case, express (real) suspicion, or do anything relevant. Fence-sitting is your thing apparently. Problem.
Where's the fence-sitting here?? He presents the two positions, then picks one. (Probably the right one.)
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1. Read my posts in this game and get back to me when you find one that has me stating that Seppel is unquestionably town. His actual alignment is largely unrelated to how bad your attack was.
2. I already broke down the Seppel wagon and concluded that your vote and accompanying explanation looked the worst. You're scummy for making a bad attack, not for disagreeing with me.
You have no case and you are scum.
If you saw Tilde using "unjustifiably bad" logic elsewhere as town, would you still argue that bad attack = scummy for him? There have been a lot of people making that assessment of him here, so how does that play into your read? No caution signs, no flashing lights? Dead certainty? You seem pretty confident in this read.
Town reads on Cantrip, Tilde, and Vezo. Seppel is doing townie work.
Question mark on Guardman. Haven't digested Chris or Toastboy yet.
ZDS is a murderer, Asian and Axel are pinging, and Zebi's back to my gray zone.
Putting feelings into words is not a strong suit for me but I will try my best. To me Seppel’s posts are screaming scum. He is over trying for an early connection, an idea I personally oppose as it could lead to bad things for town if the too many or just the right scum get powered up. I can only imagine that this would be very bad for all of us. Seppel is also overly trying to say he is town but at the same time acting in a very scum way with his posts. Maybe this is how he plays. I don’t have enough experience playing with him to say for sure but until I have proof otherwise my gut tells me Seppel=Scum and my vote stands.
I hope this satisfies you as it is the best I can do.
I was obviously paraphrasing - that is I didn't use a forum quote on purpose in order make what I took from of what you said clear.
You can say I'm scummy for misquoting you on purpose, but I really want you to elaborate on your opinion regarding connections. More specifically, read this section of that post:
Paraphrasing is taking something and putting it into your own words while maintaining the content and message of whatever you are paraphrasing. What you did was not paraphrasing as you in fact totally twisted what I had said into something completely different than what I in fact was saying. Case in point, you said I was against Connections where I in fact actually stated I was in favor of them but that I thought waiting a bit was better. That appears to me as you trying to make me look bad for no reason other than your own gain. This is scummy at the least. I restate FOS E_P
Please answer these questions:
1why pick out Seppel specifically, when other people have asked for connections too?
2You say nothing had changed, and then say the wagon changed. How were they strange?
3What are the results of your pondering?
1: He seamed like he really wanted one. That sounded scummy to me.
2: I didn't say the wagon changed. I said that I realised who had formed the wagon and thought that it's a bad thing to have a vote there when nealy all the other people there were acused of being scum.
3: didn't finish pondering
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[QUOTE=tordeck;5353087Paraphrasing is taking something and putting it into your own words while maintaining the content and message of whatever you are paraphrasing. What you did was not paraphrasing as you in fact totally twisted what I had said into something completely different than what I in fact was saying. Case in point, you said I was against Connections where I in fact actually stated I was in favor of them but that I thought waiting a bit was better. That appears to me as you trying to make me look bad for no reason other than your own gain. This is scummy at the least. I restate FOS E_P[/QUOTE]I don't particularly care about how you feel about my paraphrasing - that is, it really doesn't matter in what I'm asking from you. In detail, I want you to explain how you see the connections mechanic playing out. In other words, more than just "I am for connections but feel we should wait".
Why do you want to wait?
Why did you say you agreed with SB when SB himself just advocate anonymity and not holding off on connections?
Why did you feel we needed to get to "playing the game", when everyone was already scum hunting based on behavior and not just talking about the mechanic?
They were strange in that fact that people considered them scummy. I made a poor choice of words. It's like me the white nerd guy hanging out with the black guys at the corner
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This is your third post of the game and I've yet to see you actually present/advance a case, express (real) suspicion, or do anything relevant. Fence-sitting is your thing apparently. Problem.
I'm not fence sitting. I said that both Tilde and Seppel's behaviour are both not indicative of a relevant scum tell. Thanks for misrepresenting me. Oh, wait a second.
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Again, thank you for misrepresenting me. The point I was trying to make is doing that way is slightly more surreptitious than straight out asking for a claim. If he's to L-2, it involves wider town co-operation and therefore Tilde would not be the only perpetrator.
So it's okay to get mad at someone for misrepresenting you, but it's okay to do it to me?
When? When he suggested we pressure a claim out of Seppel?
I rather think it was the part where he said "I don't believe I ever asked [Seppel] to claim."
Sounds like you agree that this is not true, but don't think it means anything since we all know he actually was asking for it, and he's still "on the hook", regardless of what he now says. Is that right?
*eyebrow* Can you imagine a reason a townie Tilde might get defensive when the town starts eyeing him for a lynch? He has a bit of a history with the lynch...
This attack stinks. Vote: Yawgmoth].
You know, I don't actually have as much personal experience with ~Tilde~ as some others here, but I do seem to recall him, as Mafia, getting a pass for his questionable behavior in at least one other game on the grounds of "that's just ~Tilde~ being ~Tilde~" (Points Mafia?)
You want to enlighten me about some other relevant history? I'm certainly open to hearing it.
I'm also not attacking the "defensiveness" as much as his statement that HE wasn't ever asking for a Seppel claim. Which was flat out not true, and smacked of backtracking.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
1: He seamed like he really wanted one. That sounded scummy to me.
2: I didn't say the wagon changed. I said that I realised who had formed the wagon and thought that it's a bad thing to have a vote there when nealy all the other people there were acused of being scum.
3: didn't finish pondering
They were strange in that fact that people considered them scummy. I made a poor choice of words. It's like me the white nerd guy hanging out with the black guys at the corner
Your entire reasoning seems wrong. So you found a person you found was scummy, and then saw that others on the wagon were considered scummy and therefore decided to unvote, despite the fact you still found him scummy.
Yeah that entire reasoning seems wrong. More likely it seems you saw a wagon joined it and then saw that it wouldn't go anywhere so you tried to distance yourself. And why did you do that because you are scum.
First, an apology: Sorry for not posting much recently. It was relatively simple for me to jump into the other games I'm playing and make quick responses over the weekend because not much was going on in them, but this thread moves a little too quickly for that.
Second, two disclaimers: This is long, and something happened with the formatting that caused the whole multi-quote to bold and show in Georgia font. So I unbolded everything and put it in Verdana font. (I have no idea if that matters for any of the below quotes, but if something's unbolded or quoted in the wrong font, I'm not trying to be sneaky; I just hate wonky formatting.)
He's (apparently) not analyzing any posts, but just flailing wildly and making a big distracting ruckus. I can't see how that might be good for the town right now. And yes, flailing around wildly is reason to be voted for... players have legitimately done that to me when I've started going ballistic.
I saw no flailing on Seppel's part. Nor ballistics.
At first I was ready to vote simply for that, but I realized that SB might have a good (pro-town) reason to want to become a Symbiote ASAP. Also, SB's posts gave me a townish vibe after I read up on the thread. I won't accept his request yet, but I don't think he's scum for jumping the gun the way he did. The annoying thing is that if SB really does stand to benefit from Connecting with me (and is town, obv), he can't publicly disclose that information without attracting a NK, so I can't see any way for me to accept his request without putting myself in danger.
To be honest, it seems odd to think that there would be Garaman living in Garaman society and not cultivating some sort of psionic ability, so I have been operating under the assumption that all Garaman (Garamen?) have an ability of some sort and will gain something additional once connected. So why do you think that SB stating that he will benefit from connection would draw a NK?
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Why are you so quick to defend me? I haven't proven myself as town so I'm not sure why you felt the need to come to my rescue, as it were.
I didn't see that as a defense of you, just a whole lot of sarcasm. Why are you so quick to assume he's defending?
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I agree; Gigas1 is making a huge deal out of the fact that he and Seppel are now bed-buddies and it doesn't strike me as townish. He may be trying to earn town points by killing Seppel after acquiescing to Seppel's request to be a Host. ("I'm town because Seppel was town and I hit that!")
That seems forced. You're worried about getting caught out.
You seem much more terse than when I've played with you before...
I'm playing in three games, something I normally avoid because each additional commitment detracts from my ability to provide my best game to each individual endeavor.
But unless the scum have a day ability, it shouldn't really matter if the town are powered up for day 1 (until near twilight). I mean, there might be like.. double vote powerups, and stuff like that, but nothing that could really be relevant, except maybe a daykill. Surely there isn't much where it needs to happen immediately, where trust should be hard to find.
Groundless speculation noted.
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If I've read this right, the person who sends the request doesn't get powered up, and the person who accepts the connection does.
Maybe I should make my case why I want someone to connect to me more clear. I am a Terran, but I have a powered ability. The problem is that I do not understand the connections well enough to know how to make a connection myself. I want to start exploring how to make a connection myself early so that I even have an option of using my powered ability later.
This is unexpected, but (if I may modgame for a moment), believable, as Terrans seem to stand to be the most distrustful of connections, so I could see a mod putting connection-encouragement into a Terran role.
I don't think those three are scum yet; I'm pressuring them to test their reactions.
Vague delaying.
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What do you think about ~Tilde~? I'm surprised that people don't seem worried that he asked Seppel to claim at only a handful of votes.
Sounding out the wagon.
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In all seriousness, at this point I think the correct play is to either believe EP, trust that he is town, and have someone be his Symbiote, or ignore him.
It's the way he is doing it. He basically wants every person that can try to connect with him so he can choose the best one. He admitted that himself. This is an anti-town action. He is taking away the possibility that if we need to power up somebody today for some reason that we can't now. Not to mention how he lashed out at Key for suggesting that people shouldn't connect with him.
You suggest we push Seppel to L-2 (this is the part where I accuse you of trying to force players to vote against their will) just so he can claim? Then you barn mmod and OMGUS me?
Liking my vote.
For the record, I never stated that I'm sure that Seppel is definitively town; to do so would be woefully premature. All I know for sure is that your attacks against him have been unjustifiably bad.
I dunno what you lot are doing (aside from love-making), but I'm trying to solidify reads on people.
You seem to be smearing a lot of people repeatedly. Sarcastically.
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This is your third post of the game and I've yet to see you actually present/advance a case, express (real) suspicion, or do anything relevant. Fence-sitting is your thing apparently. Problem.
I haven't seen him fencesit. Perhaps misrepping is your thing?
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ChrisXIV and KeyofDestiny do not inspire confidence, but Toastboy and Azrael don't ping my scumdar.
The phrasing here is interestingly negative, and feels both forced and intentionally confusing. The first sentence seems to intend the end result of Chris and Key seeming scummy, but the reason is through the absence of a positive word. The second sentence seems to intend the end result of Toast and Az seeming NOT scummy, but again, you do that through associating a scummy word with them (scumdar) and asserting the opposite.
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Like...why do people sign up for specialties and then not contribute? There are people chomping at the bit to play in this game.
*sigh* Thanks for turning my argument into something irrelevant. If you don't agree with it, fine, but don't rubbish it.
Again, thank you for misrepresenting me. The point I was trying to make is doing that way is slightly more surreptitious than straight out asking for a claim. If he's to L-2, it involves wider town co-operation and therefore Tilde would not be the only perpetrator.
I'm pretty sure everything about the connections has been stated in the thread at one point, which also tells me that he didn't read - not only the rules, but most of the thread too.
That "(yes/no)" bothers me. Like you're trying to lead the response into a black and white answer. Maybe it is or should be a black and white answer, but why did you feel the need to limit the response to a single word?
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Scummy. You are not concerned that people are attacking you, you are concerned at the lack of argument to answer. This is a scummy state of mind. An irate townie would get annoyed at his attackers, maybe even OMGUS them. But as scum, all you care about is countering the arguments presented against you. FoS.
This seems like good insight.
I'm getting the following feelings on the following players:
Azrael: Seems to have good insight, but frequently makes comments (and occasionally votes) that I can't tell if they're serious or joking. Mod:When you get the chance, will you please update the third post with bolm replaced by Vezok? bolmedias vezokpiraka: Seems like confused townie.
ChrisXIV: Some negative vibes.
Emo_Pinata: Seems town.
Guardman: Some negative vibes.
Seppel: Look, a kitty.
StormBlind: Devil-may-care attitude strikes me as reckless, which never impresses me as a town attitude. But I get sincerity from him, and I'm leaning town.
Toastboy: I think he's town.
tordeck: I think he's town.
ZeDorkSlipeur: I still don't see eye to eye with him, but his persistance makes me feel less certain about him being scum.
AsianInvasion: Really don't like the form of his arguments, seems a bit too sure of himself, likes spreading the blame around, as though he doesn't care who gets it. Unvote ZDS, Vote: AsianInvasion
What I think: I believe him when he says he wants the town collective to force Seppel to claim. I don't get why you think it means he doesn't want to take responsibility for Seppel claiming. He obviously includes himself in the pro-Seppel claim group.He was accused of taking unilateral decisions and argued against this accusation; at no point did he argue about his share of "responsibility" should Seppel claim (I put responsibility between quotes because I really can't figure out how pressuring someone into a claim is a crime).
I'm fascinated by your take on this. My reading of the situation was that AI thought that ~Tildes~ pushing for Seppel to claim so quickly was scummy. That was it. Whether or not you agree with that position is besides the point. That was what AI was saying. Where do you get this idea that the real issue AI was having was that ~Tilde~ was "unilaterally" making decisions.
Was that your issue AI? Did I miss something here?
Then ~Tilde~ comes back and says that, actually, he wasn't asking for Seppel to claim. No, he was just advocating that people vote Seppel to the point that he would be forced to claim. Which is a completely silly distinction to make and a matter of semantics at best.
But you not only accept that distinction, you go further and argue (on ~Tildes~ behalf) that what Tilde was really responding to was this whole idea that he just wanted Seppel to claim "unilaterally?" And so (you say) his pointing out that he was trying to convince other people to vote shows that he really wasn't acting "unilaterally."
Like, it's not a huge issue, but you really seem to be going out of your way to try and explain ~Tildes~ responses for him.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Is Axelrod Yawgmoth? Why? Is this vote serious? Why didn't you unvote Zebi first? Does it count?
For the record, I do not insist on people unvoting before revoting. I feel that, as long as the intent is clear, there's no reason for force people to jump through additional hoops. However, since Yawgmoth is neither a short-form nor commonly accepted nickname for a player in this game, that particular vote was not counted.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I'm fascinated by your take on this. My reading of the situation was that AI thought that ~Tildes~ pushing for Seppel to claim so quickly was scummy. That was it. Whether or not you agree with that position is besides the point. That was what AI was saying. Where do you get this idea that the real issue AI was having was that ~Tilde~ was "unilaterally" making decisions.
Was that your issue AI? Did I miss something here?
Then ~Tilde~ comes back and says that, actually, he wasn't asking for Seppel to claim. No, he was just advocating that people vote Seppel to the point that he would be forced to claim. Which is a completely silly distinction to make and a matter of semantics at best.
But you not only accept that distinction, you go further and argue (on ~Tildes~ behalf) that what Tilde was really responding to was this whole idea that he just wanted Seppel to claim "unilaterally?" And so (you say) his pointing out that he was trying to convince other people to vote shows that he really wasn't acting "unilaterally."
Like, it's not a huge issue, but you really seem to be going out of your way to try and explain ~Tildes~ responses for him.
I disagree on both accounts. Toastboy's attack is underhanded and full of misrepresentation. This is not a "town perspective" no matter how you look at it. Tilde may be too direct and a little awkward, but that isn't scummy, quite the opposite in fact.
I would like you to explain how you came to the conclusion that Toastboy is pursuing his attack from a town perspective.
It seemed to me that Toastboy was simply posting what he thought of the situation. Perhaps his view was somewhat skewed, but he didn't automatically assume guilt or ask for a claim (or attempt to garner support to force a claim).
Do you see anything in his posts beyond his normal meta?
I'm not familiar with his meta, but I also don't put much faith in meta when players have extreme playstyles. (Example: Seppel's not obvtown or obvscum. He's just Seppel.)
Where's the fence-sitting here?? He presents the two positions, then picks one. (Probably the right one.)
Eh, I thought one thing and said another. What I meant to say is that he has yet to scum-hunt and that he seems content with simply sitting back and enjoying the show. Not the same as fence-sitting but you can see how I got confused and made an unclear statement.
If you saw Tilde using "unjustifiably bad" logic elsewhere as town, would you still argue that bad attack = scummy for him? There have been a lot of people making that assessment of him here, so how does that play into your read? No caution signs, no flashing lights? Dead certainty? You seem pretty confident in this read.
I am pretty confident in this read and find it strange that other people are discounting it as "~Tilde~ simply being bad as always." Using a playstyle that employs bad logic to coast by as town or scum seems like a valid Mafia strategy to me.
If I can't get support for the wagon, I'll move on and figure out who bothers me the most after him. ChrisXIV's endless sarcasm and low content-to-post ratio bother me.
Prime examples:
I rather think it was the part where he said "I don't believe I ever asked [Seppel] to claim."
Sounds like you agree that this is not true, but don't think it means anything since we all know he actually was asking for it, and he's still "on the hook", regardless of what he now says. Is that right?
You know, I don't actually have as much personal experience with ~Tilde~ as some others here, but I do seem to recall him, as Mafia, getting a pass for his questionable behavior in at least one other game on the grounds of "that's just ~Tilde~ being ~Tilde~" (Points Mafia?)
You want to enlighten me about some other relevant history? I'm certainly open to hearing it.
I'm also not attacking the "defensiveness" as much as his statement that HE wasn't ever asking for a Seppel claim. Which was flat out not true, and smacked of backtracking.
Your entire reasoning seems wrong. So you found a person you found was scummy, and then saw that others on the wagon were considered scummy and therefore decided to unvote, despite the fact you still found him scummy.
Yeah that entire reasoning seems wrong. More likely it seems you saw a wagon joined it and then saw that it wouldn't go anywhere so you tried to distance yourself. And why did you do that because you are scum.
To be honest, it seems odd to think that there would be Garaman living in Garaman society and not cultivating some sort of psionic ability, so I have been operating under the assumption that all Garaman (Garamen?) have an ability of some sort and will gain something additional once connected. So why do you think that SB stating that he will benefit from connection would draw a NK?
Since there seems to be at least one Garaman with an ability that hurts its Symbiote, I expect that there is at least one Garaman with an ability that helps its Host, among other abilities. I rather doubt that all Garaman roles work the same way, and it's a bad idea in general to claim too much information early in the game.
If the overall consensus is that I should accept StormBlind's Connection request, I will do so. If it bites me in the ass I want him looked into.
You're welcome. For those too lazy to read, the gist of it is that in a market with imperfect information (used car market or Host-Symbiote market), the participants who are worst off (have crappy cars or scummy roles) are most likely to be in the market, and these participants drive those who are better off (have nice cars or townish roles) out of the market. (Drawing this analogy may not be accurate, as in the used car market, people with crappy cars don't usually swap vehicles while the scum here can simply Connect with each other.)
You seem to be smearing a lot of people repeatedly. Sarcastically.
I wasn't smearing him so much as expressing frustration with his comment regarding the activity level of the game. His post read as an insult because I'm actually trying in this game and I didn't think he noticed (or was trying as hard himself).
The phrasing here is interestingly negative, and feels both forced and intentionally confusing. The first sentence seems to intend the end result of Chris and Key seeming scummy, but the reason is through the absence of a positive word. The second sentence seems to intend the end result of Toast and Az seeming NOT scummy, but again, you do that through associating a scummy word with them (scumdar) and asserting the opposite.
Do you want me to be more clear?
Leaning scum: ChrisXIV and KeyofDestiny Leaning town: Toastboy and Azrael
I'm fascinated by your take on this. My reading of the situation was that AI thought that ~Tildes~ pushing for Seppel to claim so quickly was scummy. That was it. Whether or not you agree with that position is besides the point. That was what AI was saying. Where do you get this idea that the real issue AI was having was that ~Tilde~ was "unilaterally" making decisions.
Was that your issue AI? Did I miss something here?
Then ~Tilde~ comes back and says that, actually, he wasn't asking for Seppel to claim. No, he was just advocating that people vote Seppel to the point that he would be forced to claim. Which is a completely silly distinction to make and a matter of semantics at best.
But you not only accept that distinction, you go further and argue (on ~Tildes~ behalf) that what Tilde was really responding to was this whole idea that he just wanted Seppel to claim "unilaterally?" And so (you say) his pointing out that he was trying to convince other people to vote shows that he really wasn't acting "unilaterally."
Like, it's not a huge issue, but you really seem to be going out of your way to try and explain ~Tildes~ responses for him.
Correct, but if ~Tilde~ is trying to run the town that's even worse.
Don't know how I screwed that up.. Sorry Toast. un-fos toast :/
For some reason I'm not fond of this post. I'm trying to find better wording for how I feel.
EWP: It bugs me because he not only un-FOSed (which is just silly in its shear conception), but he didn't correct his statements to point towards the correct player.
Because pushing for a claim as a collective action, no matter how quickly, isn't scummy. If Asian thinks it is, then yes, I did misread this entire situation (my opinion remains the same in that case).
You are really drawing this distinction between someone saying "I want you to claim" and "I want everyone to vote you until you claim." I am saying there is no practical difference. I am not arguing the overall scumminess of asking for someone to claim.
There's a huge difference between Seppel claiming because a single guy asked, and Seppel claiming because nearly half the town is voting against him. One is bullying, the other is normal gameplay.
You mean, Tilde isn't "bullying" if he encourages everyone to vote Seppel until he claims, as opposed to - what - repeatedly demanding that Seppel claim all by himself and expecting that to do anything? When does that ever happen? How do you "bully" without town support? (baring having a vigilante type role).
I really can't understand what is your issue with him. Asking someone to claim isn't scummy even if he has no right to ask this, and even if it were, I can't see anything wrong at all with pushing a wagon.
You keep sliding off the point, ZDS. I don't care that Tilde asked Seppel to claim. What I cared about was a sequence of events that went (more or less) like this:
Tilde: Seppel is acting crazy. Vote Seppel. Claim pls. AI: I find it suspicious you would ask Seppel to claim so quickly. Vote Tilde. Tilde: I never asked him to claim! I just said everyone should vote him until he had to claim! That's not the same thing!
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That's what I'm here to do. I'd appreciate some help in that regard, if you're of the same mind.
vezokpiraka seems to have an ability that has a negative effect on his Symbiote, so as a Garaman I'd be hesitant to Connect to anyone so eager to Host.
For toastboy: Nothing had changed.I analysed the situation better. Also I don't really know what to do. I saw the wagon was formed by some very strange people and my vote was a little off. So I unvoted To ponder the situation
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Are you asking me to elaborate, or just putting that out there?
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But you're connected now? I'm so confused. Are you a symbiote or a host? Was the connection rejected?
Why are you waiting for connections when something bad happens to your symbiote?
Do you think it would be better for us to make a suspected scum connect to you?
For some reason, I like this answer.
Do you have a symbiote yet? Once I'm done with Gigas (he takes forever to finish), I can cuddle up with you.
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Wow, I never imagined a mafia game would legitimately make me feel like a promiscuous lover.
It would certainly make it easier to determine if you are scum.
I apologize for incorrectly presuming that your post had the intended result of contributing to scum-hunting and wasting our time by conversing as if that were the case.
Not that I'm aware of; I was referring to players in general who are eager to be Hosts, citing vezokpiraka as an example of a player with a role that potentially has a negative effect on the Symbiote. I wouldn't want to Connect to someone who desperately wanted a Symbiote. (Read about In the Market for Lemons.) I agree that we should be Connecting for the best chance to defeat the scum (who can easily Connect with each other), but doing so haphazardly is unwise; we need to plan out the best course of action.
Seppelsexual (adjective): Sexually attracted to Garamans.
I want to know if ~Tilde~ is still trying to force Seppel to claim.
It's the way he is doing it. He basically wants every person that can try to connect with him so he can choose the best one. He admitted that himself. This is an anti-town action. He is taking away the possibility that if we need to power up somebody today for some reason that we can't now. Not to mention how he lashed out at Key for suggesting that people shouldn't connect with him.
Right now I am leaning more towards neutral than out and out scum, but either way his actions clearly show that he is out for himself much more than the town.
So you unvoted because the people on the wagon were strange. What is strange about them and why is this reason to unvote. Also why did you vote in the first place then.
What was satisfactory about his answer?
If he is, he isn't getting aything.
I don't believe I ever asked Seppel to claim, I believe I said:
That is to say, I made the suggestion that we should run Seppel up to the point where he'd be obligated to claim. Obviously this suggestion was pretty much tossed out. I still believe Seppel's activity in this game so far is some kind of stall tactic / diversion, which reeks as scummy to me.
AI, your apparent defense of Seppel so far in this game, as well as the "mudslinging":
leads me to also think of you as scummy. At this point I'd be happy voting for either Seppel or AI, and since I'm already voting Seppel, there's not much reason to move it now is there?
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
You suggest we push Seppel to L-2 (this is the part where I accuse you of trying to force players to vote against their will) just so he can claim? Then you barn mmod and OMGUS me?
Liking my vote.
For the record, I never stated that I'm sure that Seppel is definitively town; to do so would be woefully premature. All I know for sure is that your attacks against him have been unjustifiably bad.
And yet you're responding to anyone who even looks at Seppel closely as if you were:
a) certain of his townie alignment and
b) think that anyone who believes otherwise must be scummy
That reads as: protecting a scum partner in my book, and from that last post, you've realized you've been caught and are furiously backpedaling.
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
1. Read my posts in this game and get back to me when you find one that has me stating that Seppel is unquestionably town. His actual alignment is largely unrelated to how bad your attack was.
2. I already broke down the Seppel wagon and concluded that your vote and accompanying explanation looked the worst. You're scummy for making a bad attack, not for disagreeing with me.
You have no case and you are scum.
You are being you. Tilde is being Tilde. Everyone is now trying to decide whether that's a decent scum tell for either of you. I say it's not.
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Seppel(3) - Guardman, tordeck, ~Tilde~
tordeck(2) - E_P, ChrisXIV
AsianInvasion(2) - Niv, mmod
KeyofDestiny(1) - Seppel
Guardman(1) - Axelrod
ZDS(1) - Cantripmancer
desCoures(1) - zindabad
zindabad(1) - desCoures
Zebi(1) - Azrael
Gigas1(1) - StormBlind
~Tilde~(1) - AsianInvasion
Toastboy(1) - ZDS
Not voting:
Cyouni
Gigas1
KeyofDestiny
Toastboy
vezokpiraka
Zebi
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I dunno what you lot are doing (aside from love-making), but I'm trying to solidify reads on people.
This is your third post of the game and I've yet to see you actually present/advance a case, express (real) suspicion, or do anything relevant. Fence-sitting is your thing apparently. Problem.
ChrisXIV and KeyofDestiny do not inspire confidence, but Toastboy and Azrael don't ping my scumdar.
Posts like these are why you look poor.
@vezokpiraka: Can you please post content?
Like...why do people sign up for specialties and then not contribute? There are people chomping at the bit to play in this game.
I agree that the attack is bad. However, in Toastboy's case, he seems to me to be pursuing the attack from a town perspective, in contrast to ~Tilde~ pushing for a claim and OMGUSing the opposition.
There are a lot of people who didn't do anything special.
I'm waiting for something then I'll do a lot more.
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This is awful. Can you say "deflection?" I don't even understand why you'd try to parse your own words to say that you never asked Seppel to claim - just suggested that people vote Seppel until he'd be obligated to claim - because, yes, clearly these are so very different things.
What I'm getting is that you were afraid of the accusation of prematurely asking someone to claim, and that is the kind of thing that scum are afraid of.
Unvote;
Vote: ~Tilde~
I'm going to read back at the rest of ~Tilde's stuff this game to see if any of it looks better, but I'm perfectly happy with that vote for now.
Did you see him trying to not take responsibility for it just now?
That big distracting ruckus he's making? That's how the town wins games.
I like that you start off this post with a warning to other players.
Do you see anything in his posts beyond his normal meta?
Don't worry: I'll make sure the Az-Fed keeps the Az-points inflation to a minimum.
Slightly less: less likely to be in communication with others. Why might it make you think he could be scummy? Bad=scummy?
*backs away from thread*
*eyebrow* Can you imagine a reason a townie Tilde might get defensive when the town starts eyeing him for a lynch? He has a bit of a history with the lynch...
This attack stinks. Vote: Yawgmoth].
*nods* Right on.
Where's the fence-sitting here?? He presents the two positions, then picks one. (Probably the right one.)
If you saw Tilde using "unjustifiably bad" logic elsewhere as town, would you still argue that bad attack = scummy for him? There have been a lot of people making that assessment of him here, so how does that play into your read? No caution signs, no flashing lights? Dead certainty? You seem pretty confident in this read.
Town reads on Cantrip, Tilde, and Vezo. Seppel is doing townie work.
Question mark on Guardman. Haven't digested Chris or Toastboy yet.
ZDS is a murderer, Asian and Axel are pinging, and Zebi's back to my gray zone.
Putting feelings into words is not a strong suit for me but I will try my best. To me Seppel’s posts are screaming scum. He is over trying for an early connection, an idea I personally oppose as it could lead to bad things for town if the too many or just the right scum get powered up. I can only imagine that this would be very bad for all of us. Seppel is also overly trying to say he is town but at the same time acting in a very scum way with his posts. Maybe this is how he plays. I don’t have enough experience playing with him to say for sure but until I have proof otherwise my gut tells me Seppel=Scum and my vote stands.
I hope this satisfies you as it is the best I can do.
Paraphrasing is taking something and putting it into your own words while maintaining the content and message of whatever you are paraphrasing. What you did was not paraphrasing as you in fact totally twisted what I had said into something completely different than what I in fact was saying. Case in point, you said I was against Connections where I in fact actually stated I was in favor of them but that I thought waiting a bit was better. That appears to me as you trying to make me look bad for no reason other than your own gain. This is scummy at the least. I restate FOS E_P
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1: He seamed like he really wanted one. That sounded scummy to me.
2: I didn't say the wagon changed. I said that I realised who had formed the wagon and thought that it's a bad thing to have a vote there when nealy all the other people there were acused of being scum.
3: didn't finish pondering
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Why do you want to wait?
Why did you say you agreed with SB when SB himself just advocate anonymity and not holding off on connections?
Why did you feel we needed to get to "playing the game", when everyone was already scum hunting based on behavior and not just talking about the mechanic?
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I'm not fence sitting. I said that both Tilde and Seppel's behaviour are both not indicative of a relevant scum tell. Thanks for misrepresenting me. Oh, wait a second.
So it's okay to get mad at someone for misrepresenting you, but it's okay to do it to me?
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@Zebi - The first quote was from Asian, not Toast. Change your read?
I rather think it was the part where he said "I don't believe I ever asked [Seppel] to claim."
Sounds like you agree that this is not true, but don't think it means anything since we all know he actually was asking for it, and he's still "on the hook", regardless of what he now says. Is that right?
You know, I don't actually have as much personal experience with ~Tilde~ as some others here, but I do seem to recall him, as Mafia, getting a pass for his questionable behavior in at least one other game on the grounds of "that's just ~Tilde~ being ~Tilde~" (Points Mafia?)
You want to enlighten me about some other relevant history? I'm certainly open to hearing it.
I'm also not attacking the "defensiveness" as much as his statement that HE wasn't ever asking for a Seppel claim. Which was flat out not true, and smacked of backtracking.
/barn
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Your entire reasoning seems wrong. So you found a person you found was scummy, and then saw that others on the wagon were considered scummy and therefore decided to unvote, despite the fact you still found him scummy.
Yeah that entire reasoning seems wrong. More likely it seems you saw a wagon joined it and then saw that it wouldn't go anywhere so you tried to distance yourself. And why did you do that because you are scum.
Unvote Seppel
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Second, two disclaimers: This is long, and something happened with the formatting that caused the whole multi-quote to bold and show in Georgia font. So I unbolded everything and put it in Verdana font. (I have no idea if that matters for any of the below quotes, but if something's unbolded or quoted in the wrong font, I'm not trying to be sneaky; I just hate wonky formatting.)
I saw no flailing on Seppel's part. Nor ballistics.
To be honest, it seems odd to think that there would be Garaman living in Garaman society and not cultivating some sort of psionic ability, so I have been operating under the assumption that all Garaman (Garamen?) have an ability of some sort and will gain something additional once connected. So why do you think that SB stating that he will benefit from connection would draw a NK?
I didn't see that as a defense of you, just a whole lot of sarcasm. Why are you so quick to assume he's defending?
Odd speculation noted.
I'm playing in three games, something I normally avoid because each additional commitment detracts from my ability to provide my best game to each individual endeavor.
Groundless speculation noted.
Swap that.
This is unexpected, but (if I may modgame for a moment), believable, as Terrans seem to stand to be the most distrustful of connections, so I could see a mod putting connection-encouragement into a Terran role.
Vague delaying.
Sounding out the wagon.
Fencesitting.
I second this.
I find this "revelation" horribly frustrating.
This was fascinating; thank you for sharing.
I think there's a fair amount of misrep here.
This is a nice balancing act of noncommittal.
Haven't you played with Tilde before?
You seem to be smearing a lot of people repeatedly. Sarcastically.
I haven't seen him fencesit. Perhaps misrepping is your thing?
The phrasing here is interestingly negative, and feels both forced and intentionally confusing. The first sentence seems to intend the end result of Chris and Key seeming scummy, but the reason is through the absence of a positive word. The second sentence seems to intend the end result of Toast and Az seeming NOT scummy, but again, you do that through associating a scummy word with them (scumdar) and asserting the opposite.
Barn.
I didn't see it as scummy, but I didn't really see it as gamewinning. I saw it as Seppel, which is to say, interesting in the least.
Is Axelrod Yawgmoth? Why? Is this vote serious? Why didn't you unvote Zebi first? Does it count?
I think Toastboy's town.
But still no unvote.
Lol...misrep ftl!
Yah, this irks me, too.
That "(yes/no)" bothers me. Like you're trying to lead the response into a black and white answer. Maybe it is or should be a black and white answer, but why did you feel the need to limit the response to a single word?
This seems like good insight.
I'm getting the following feelings on the following players:
Azrael: Seems to have good insight, but frequently makes comments (and occasionally votes) that I can't tell if they're serious or joking.
Mod: When you get the chance, will you please update the third post with bolm replaced by Vezok?
bolmediasvezokpiraka: Seems like confused townie.ChrisXIV: Some negative vibes.
Emo_Pinata: Seems town.
Guardman: Some negative vibes.
Seppel: Look, a kitty.
StormBlind: Devil-may-care attitude strikes me as reckless, which never impresses me as a town attitude. But I get sincerity from him, and I'm leaning town.
Toastboy: I think he's town.
tordeck: I think he's town.
ZeDorkSlipeur: I still don't see eye to eye with him, but his persistance makes me feel less certain about him being scum.
AsianInvasion: Really don't like the form of his arguments, seems a bit too sure of himself, likes spreading the blame around, as though he doesn't care who gets it.
Unvote ZDS, Vote: AsianInvasion
Nope! This is a first!
I thought it would be a little more exciting than this.
I'm fascinated by your take on this. My reading of the situation was that AI thought that ~Tildes~ pushing for Seppel to claim so quickly was scummy. That was it. Whether or not you agree with that position is besides the point. That was what AI was saying. Where do you get this idea that the real issue AI was having was that ~Tilde~ was "unilaterally" making decisions.
Was that your issue AI? Did I miss something here?
Then ~Tilde~ comes back and says that, actually, he wasn't asking for Seppel to claim. No, he was just advocating that people vote Seppel to the point that he would be forced to claim. Which is a completely silly distinction to make and a matter of semantics at best.
But you not only accept that distinction, you go further and argue (on ~Tildes~ behalf) that what Tilde was really responding to was this whole idea that he just wanted Seppel to claim "unilaterally?" And so (you say) his pointing out that he was trying to convince other people to vote shows that he really wasn't acting "unilaterally."
Like, it's not a huge issue, but you really seem to be going out of your way to try and explain ~Tildes~ responses for him.
For the record, I do not insist on people unvoting before revoting. I feel that, as long as the intent is clear, there's no reason for force people to jump through additional hoops. However, since Yawgmoth is neither a short-form nor commonly accepted nickname for a player in this game, that particular vote was not counted.
Done, and thanks.
Rarrrrrgh.
I fully endorse this post.
It seemed to me that Toastboy was simply posting what he thought of the situation. Perhaps his view was somewhat skewed, but he didn't automatically assume guilt or ask for a claim (or attempt to garner support to force a claim).
I'm not familiar with his meta, but I also don't put much faith in meta when players have extreme playstyles. (Example: Seppel's not obvtown or obvscum. He's just Seppel.)
Eh, I thought one thing and said another. What I meant to say is that he has yet to scum-hunt and that he seems content with simply sitting back and enjoying the show. Not the same as fence-sitting but you can see how I got confused and made an unclear statement.
I am pretty confident in this read and find it strange that other people are discounting it as "~Tilde~ simply being bad as always." Using a playstyle that employs bad logic to coast by as town or scum seems like a valid Mafia strategy to me.
If I can't get support for the wagon, I'll move on and figure out who bothers me the most after him. ChrisXIV's endless sarcasm and low content-to-post ratio bother me.
Prime examples:
To address your complaint, I simply want you to post content instead of rolling your eyes and bickering. Is that too much to ask?
Hear, hear.
I don't like this vote.
Since there seems to be at least one Garaman with an ability that hurts its Symbiote, I expect that there is at least one Garaman with an ability that helps its Host, among other abilities. I rather doubt that all Garaman roles work the same way, and it's a bad idea in general to claim too much information early in the game.
If the overall consensus is that I should accept StormBlind's Connection request, I will do so. If it bites me in the ass I want him looked into.
He sarcastically shot down a comment (that I interpreted as an attack) aimed at me. If that's not defending, I don't know what is.
You're welcome. For those too lazy to read, the gist of it is that in a market with imperfect information (used car market or Host-Symbiote market), the participants who are worst off (have crappy cars or scummy roles) are most likely to be in the market, and these participants drive those who are better off (have nice cars or townish roles) out of the market. (Drawing this analogy may not be accurate, as in the used car market, people with crappy cars don't usually swap vehicles while the scum here can simply Connect with each other.)
I wasn't smearing him so much as expressing frustration with his comment regarding the activity level of the game. His post read as an insult because I'm actually trying in this game and I didn't think he noticed (or was trying as hard himself).
See above.
Do you want me to be more clear?
Leaning scum: ChrisXIV and KeyofDestiny
Leaning town: Toastboy and Azrael
I'm long-winded, haven't you noticed?
Correct, but if ~Tilde~ is trying to run the town that's even worse.
Ill read up today and post ina few hours.
AsianInvasion(4) - Niv, mmod, Cantripmancer, ChrisXIV
Seppel(2) - tordeck, ~Tilde~
~Tilde~(2) - AsianInvasion, Axelrod
tordeck(1) - E_P
KeyofDestiny(1) - Seppel
desCoures(1) - zindabad
zindabad(1) - desCoures
Zebi(1) - Azrael
Gigas1(1) - StormBlind
Toastboy(1) - ZDS
vezokpiraka(1) - Guardman
Not voting:
Cyouni
Gigas1
KeyofDestiny
Toastboy
vezokpiraka
Zebi
With 22 players alive, it is 12 votes to lynch. Please let me know if you believe I have made an error.
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For some reason I'm not fond of this post. I'm trying to find better wording for how I feel.
EWP: It bugs me because he not only un-FOSed (which is just silly in its shear conception), but he didn't correct his statements to point towards the correct player.
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You are really drawing this distinction between someone saying "I want you to claim" and "I want everyone to vote you until you claim." I am saying there is no practical difference. I am not arguing the overall scumminess of asking for someone to claim.
You mean, Tilde isn't "bullying" if he encourages everyone to vote Seppel until he claims, as opposed to - what - repeatedly demanding that Seppel claim all by himself and expecting that to do anything? When does that ever happen? How do you "bully" without town support? (baring having a vigilante type role).
You keep sliding off the point, ZDS. I don't care that Tilde asked Seppel to claim. What I cared about was a sequence of events that went (more or less) like this:
Tilde: Seppel is acting crazy. Vote Seppel. Claim pls.
AI: I find it suspicious you would ask Seppel to claim so quickly. Vote Tilde.
Tilde: I never asked him to claim! I just said everyone should vote him until he had to claim! That's not the same thing!
I find this especially amusing for some reason that the lurkers are voting for each other and are the only ones doing so.