I unvoted because I realized that the wagon was moving very fast. Like I said, I don't want to mislynch a power role day 1. I agree with him that we should slow it down, and that pressure should be applied to onemore time
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Well I believe I had a pretty legitimate reason to vote for him, and I didn't really think Kpaca had a good reason to vote for him, seemed like he was just like, oh he must be scum, its impossible that he's not even though he had no proof. Although I do believe that he explained himself fairly well. Still seems a little too certain though. I think you maybe right though, I'm gonna unvote for now. I don't wanna out a PR on day one when like half his votes are random voters. I would like to hear a defense from him however and would also like to continue to put pressure on him.
Kpaca goes with his gut, and he's not big into explaning himself. What he's already provided is a rare beast, indeed.
As for the votes on OMT, as far as I can tell, only unkyunk's is random. The other four (kpaca, indomitablebug, Cantripmancer, Blue Ghost4) all posted with reasons that didn't sound random. Blue Ghost, if you felt that your reason(s) for voting him were good before, I'm surprised that Falkonn's post swayed you away from OMT. I'll echo lrd: what do you agree with enough to remove the vote?
EWP: BG, you want to apply pressure to OMT...you were ALL for the claim before Falkonn came in, and your reasons for unvoting are just barns of Falkonn..."Don't want to expose a power role" is good practice, but it's not a reason to keep someone who's acting scummy from claiming...If you want to apply pressure, the best way is with your vote. His claiming doesn't inevitably lead to him being lynched. I find your reasons for unvoting suspicious.
Sorry if I newbishly pushed the speed of the game.
I can appreciate that people are busy - I just got out of school for the year, so I guess I was a little overzealous and posting frequently.
Sorry if I newbishly pushed the speed of the game.
I can appreciate that people are busy - I just got out of school for the year, so I guess I was a little overzealous and posting frequently.
Did I hurt the town's chances? I really hope not.
Not likely, unless you're really adept scheming scum.
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General question: Meanings of L-2 and D1?
L-2 = Two votes away from being lynched. It's the traditional point at which a player claims. Likewise, L-1 = 1 vote from being lynched, L-5 = 5 votes from being lynched.
D1 = Day 1
N1 = Night 1
FOS = Finger of Suspicion, used to identify suspicion when you can't or don't want to vote (for instance, if your vote is on someone else you find scummier).
IGMEOY = I got my eye on you, used to denote suspicion, but less suspicion than an FOS (not used by everyone, but it's usually run into).
WIFOM = Wine in front of me, check the overview thread for detailed info.
Lylo or LoL = Lynch or lose, the point of the game at which we have to lynch scum or they'll likely win.
As for the votes on OMT, as far as I can tell, only unkyunk's is random. The other four (kpaca, indomitablebug, Cantripmancer, Blue Ghost4) all posted with reasons that didn't sound random. Blue Ghost, if you felt that your reason(s) for voting him were good before, I'm surprised that Falkonn's post swayed you away from OMT. I'll echo lrd: what do you agree with enough to remove the vote?
EWP: BG, you want to apply pressure to OMT...you were ALL for the claim before Falkonn came in, and your reasons for unvoting are just barns of Falkonn..."Don't want to expose a power role" is good practice, but it's not a reason to keep someone who's acting scummy from claiming...If you want to apply pressure, the best way is with your vote. His claiming doesn't inevitably lead to him being lynched. I find your reasons for unvoting suspicious.
Well I was actually kinda surprised with myself when I realized I put him at L-2. I didn't realize that I did it till Kpaca said claim time. Then I said I agree because anyone at L-2 should claim. But it didn't feel right....doing that so fast. And to my knowledge ( although I don't have very much mafia experience) it's not good to get people claiming so early on. He swayed my vote because I was already second guessing myself and he just gave me an excuse to act on those thoughts. I know votes apply pressure but I still don't think it's a good idea to have someone at L-2 so early on. I'm sticking to that. If you want to put him at L-2 already, go ahead. It's just not a good idea for the town IMO.
This, especially as using your logic, we would never ask anyone to claim, for fear of exposing power roles (if taken to the extreme)
I guess that's true, but what I'm saying is I want to be more careful about it. I want to wait for more info first. I want to hear more from him first.
Sorry if I newbishly pushed the speed of the game.
I can appreciate that people are busy - I just got out of school for the year, so I guess I was a little overzealous and posting frequently.
Did I hurt the town's chances? I really hope not.
General question: Meanings of L-2 and D1?
No it's ok, I hate the random stage. No you didn't hurt the town's chances lol it's fine. L-2 means it only takes 2 more votes to lynch someone, generally its the rule of thumb that somene at L-2 will claim. D1 means day 1
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He could be, or he could be on the fence. Like you are.
Not enough data to be anywhere but the fence for me right now. Need moar input. Gut reads are useful, but only when they fit in with other evidence imo.
@Archae - don't worry, you just helped get the game out of the random stage.
Phew. OK. And I read the explanations of acronyms beforehand (which included OMGUS, FOS, LoL, etc.), but it didn't have everything that has been posted so far, which is why I asked.
Also, aren't there no power roles in the game of mafia? So there should be no fear of exposing them.
Also, aren't there no power roles in the game of mafia? So there should be no fear of exposing them.
There are likely some basic power roles (cop, doc, vig on the town side; roleblocker on the scum side being the most common), but not very many, and not with significant variation on the basic rules of such.
There are likely some basic power roles (cop, doc, vig on the town side; roleblocker on the scum side being the most common), but not very many, and not with significant variation on the basic rules of such.
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If possible i would prefer not to claim and seeing as i am no longer at l-2 i will not. I do have role related reasons for not wishing to claim and hope that the town will not force me to do so.
That post was as far as i was concerned being friendly to a new player, honestly i see nothing wrong with it even looking at it from an outside persons point of view.
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Well I believe I had a pretty legitimate reason to vote for him, and I didn't really think Kpaca had a good reason to vote for him, seemed like he was just like, oh he must be scum, its impossible that he's not even though he had no proof. Although I do believe that he explained himself fairly well. Still seems a little too certain though. I think you maybe right though, I'm gonna unvote for now. I don't wanna out a PR on day one when like half his votes are random voters. I would like to hear a defense from him however and would also like to continue to put pressure on him.
Really don't like this sudden flip-flop, especially because his reasoning for unvoting is terrible.
I unvoted because I realized that the wagon was moving very fast. Like I said, I don't want to mislynch a power role day 1. I agree with him that we should slow it down, and that pressure should be applied to onemore time
The wagon was moving just as fast when you jumped on it.
Well I was actually kinda surprised with myself when I realized I put him at L-2. I didn't realize that I did it till Kpaca said claim time. Then I said I agree because anyone at L-2 should claim. But it didn't feel right....doing that so fast. And to my knowledge ( although I don't have very much mafia experience) it's not good to get people claiming so early on. He swayed my vote because I was already second guessing myself and he just gave me an excuse to act on those thoughts. I know votes apply pressure but I still don't think it's a good idea to have someone at L-2 so early on. I'm sticking to that. If you want to put him at L-2 already, go ahead. It's just not a good idea for the town IMO.
This first part sound wrong, you say that you wanted a claim because he was at L-2, but it doesn't sound like you wanted him at L-2. Why didn't you unvote then?
Because I didn't realize till I did it. I didn't want to seem unsure because then everyone jumps all over you and thinks your scummy. @OneMoreTime: WHY DID YOU SAY THAT YOU HAVE ROLE RELATED REASONS? You basically pointed out what I didn't want to point out. You basically said "Hey, I have a power role!" So either you just did something really dumb, or you're scum trying to scare the town. I Think I'm ready for the claim now that you pretty much made yourself the target anyway. Vote: OneMoreTime
@IB: Why did you unvote?
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Because I didn't realize till I did it. I didn't want to seem unsure because then everyone jumps all over you and thinks your scummy. @OneMoreTime: WHY DID YOU SAY THAT YOU HAVE ROLE RELATED REASONS? You basically pointed out what I didn't want to point out. You basically said "Hey, I have a power role!" So either you just did something really dumb, or you're scum trying to scare the town. I Think I'm ready for the claim now that you pretty much made yourself the target anyway. Vote: OneMoreTime
@IB: Why did you unvote?
It's a lot less scummy to unvote than to unvote, and give the reason for it being something that happened before your last post.
well that's l-2, on your own heads be it. Sigh i tried to warn you.
I am Dragon The towns very one one shot vig. I'm big and nasty and can breathe fire on people i don't like. Seeing as i am currently sick i can't breathe fire more than once. I want to see the swamp defended and am ready to kill in its defense.
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The reason i really didn't want to claim is because now I'm probably going to die tonight and i don't really have anyone I want to fire my vig shot at so you have all lost a small town power role. GJ everyone, pat kpaca on the back. :).
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well that's l-2, on your own heads be it. Sigh i tried to warn you.
I am Dragon The towns very one one shot vig. I'm big and nasty and can breathe fire on people i don't like. Seeing as i am currently sick i can't breathe fire more than once. I want to see the swamp defended and am ready to kill in its defense.
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The reason i really didn't want to claim is because now I'm probably going to die tonight and i don't really have anyone I want to fire my vig shot at so you have all lost a small town power role. GJ everyone, pat kpaca on the back. :).
Well you kinda put the target on anyway letting everyone know you had a power role. And careful, if you paraphrase too closely, you can be modkilled. If you truly are the one shot vig we should vote on who to use it because you're obviously getting killed tonight. I don't know when you use it, during the night or day?
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well then i am in fact an idiot...... apologies but i figure after my "horrible" play i was likely to get to l-2 anyway so no big whoop. Though i still really don't see what i did......
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well then i am in fact an idiot...... apologies but i figure after my "horrible" play i was likely to get to l-2 anyway so no big whoop. Though i still really don't see what i did......
You're not an idiot. I didn't mean to sound like a dick earlier. Having a bad day but that has nothing to do with the game. You basically said you had a power role before L-2, which is the only reason I didn't want you to claim. Now you are forced to use your power role early, or we lose a power role on day one.
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Really don't like this sudden flip-flop, especially because his reasoning for unvoting is terrible.
The wagon was moving just as fast when you jumped on it.
This first part sound wrong, you say that you wanted a claim because he was at L-2, but it doesn't sound like you wanted him at L-2. Why didn't you unvote then?
completely agree. you said that it didn't feel right for someone to claim so fast and then you voted for omt again. you moved on to ask IB why he unvoted and that feels to me like you didn't want him unvoting.
I still felt that you weren't scum, just did some unusual play until i saw this:
I Think I'm ready for the claim now that you pretty much made yourself the target anyway.
Vote: OneMoreTime
You're not an idiot. I didn't mean to sound like a dick earlier. Having a bad day but that has nothing to do with the game. You basically said you had a power role before L-2, which is the only reason I didn't want you to claim. Now you are forced to use your power role early, or we lose a power role on day one.
you completely contradicted yourself. first post you wanted him to claim, then after he has you went on to say that because he basically said he had a power role, you didnt want him to claim.
you completely contradicted yourself. first post you wanted him to claim, then after he has you went on to say that because he basically said he had a power role, you didnt want him to claim.
Uhhhhhh no? I never said that I didn't want him to claim once he had already let it be known that he had a power role. After that I just wanted to kno the flavor to figure out if it sounded like a legitamate claim.
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I unvoted because I wanted to see things develop further before any kind of lynching, especially as things were speeding up and I was going to be afk for a little while.
I'm not convinced that OneMoreTime is scum, but he certainly looks suspicious right now.
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Firstly, I'm going to fence sit (again) on the current Blue_Ghost wagon that's forming. He was in the last game I played in, and he played basically the same as a townie. No offense BG, but you tend to hop on just about every wagon that forms, and you seem to be pretty easy to influence one way or another. He hasn't done anything that seems out of character for his play style so far.
I do however think that there's at least one scum on the OMT wagon. It formed quickly, and honestly I don't think the way he played deserved such a quick run up like that. There's definitely some very opportunistic voting going on in this game it seems like to me.
key kpaca feel like waying in on this?
This is a bad thing for you to do as a town. You shouldn't blindly follow Kpaca.
I don't think it's wrong to ask Kpaca what he thinks about the wagon he started. I was actually kind of curious about this too.
i was not blindly following kpaca in the slightest i was wondering what his thoughts on me, blue ghost, and the wagon in general were now that i had claimed.
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It's a lot less scummy to unvote than to unvote, and give the reason for it being something that happened before your last post.
I'm thinking one of the bolded was meant to be "vote", but by using unvote in both, I'm left wondering if you were crafting a statement, weren't sure which way you wanted it to go, and forgot to go back and fix it before posting.
well that's l-2, on your own heads be it. Sigh i tried to warn you.
I am Dragon The towns very one one shot vig. I'm big and nasty and can breathe fire on people i don't like. Seeing as i am currently sick i can't breathe fire more than once. I want to see the swamp defended and am ready to kill in its defense.
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The reason i really didn't want to claim is because now I'm probably going to die tonight and i don't really have anyone I want to fire my vig shot at so you have all lost a small town power role. GJ everyone, pat kpaca on the back. :).
Defeatism doesn't suit a townie well; it comes off as scummy. What do you mean by "the towns very one one shot vig"? Why the double "one"?
I unvoted because I wanted to see things develop further before any kind of lynching, especially as things were speeding up and I was going to be afk for a little while.
I'm not convinced that OneMoreTime is scum, but he certainly looks suspicious right now.
Well, this is interesting. You hop off a fast wagon "for the curiosity of it", and now that OMT's claimed, you're smearing him without voting.
And we shouldn't give OMT a specific target, more a pool of say 3 targets to pick from.
I agree with this.
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I really really do not like Blue_Ghost's moving from wanting a claim to not to wanting one again. I feel happy with a Vote Blue Ghost for the time being. His play and his explanation just don't sit right with me.
I think Blue Ghost is being attacked for a misrep. I reread the posts in question and I don't see the conflict that's being worried here. His play strikes me more as fencesitting indecision than scummy action. He put the brakes on, several people told him off for it, OMT destroyed Blue Ghost's stated reason for unvoting (blatantly outted himself as a power role), and Blue Ghost said what the heck, let's do it.
I do however think that there's at least one scum on the OMT wagon. It formed quickly, and honestly I don't think the way he played deserved such a quick run up like that. There's definitely some very opportunistic voting going on in this game it seems like to me.
While I agree that it's likely, it's also WIFOM, especially this early in the game.
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I don't think it's wrong to ask Kpaca what he thinks about the wagon he started.
Concur, although I personally don't think Kpaca was in the wrong for starting the ball rolling on OMT. I agree that OMT was acting scummy, and his claim, while believable, doesn't completely exonerate him in my mind.
This is my first time playing mafia and I would like to know...
What is this L - 2?
Before I get into L-2, I have another acronym for you: RTFT. It stands for "Read the frickin' thread." If you had read all the posts between here and the last time you posted (something that's critical to the game of Mafia), you'd have found:
Not likely, unless you're really adept scheming scum.
L-2 = Two votes away from being lynched. It's the traditional point at which a player claims. Likewise, L-1 = 1 vote from being lynched, L-5 = 5 votes from being lynched.
D1 = Day 1
N1 = Night 1
FOS = Finger of Suspicion, used to identify suspicion when you can't or don't want to vote (for instance, if your vote is on someone else you find scummier).
IGMEOY = I got my eye on you, used to denote suspicion, but less suspicion than an FOS (not used by everyone, but it's usually run into).
WIFOM = Wine in front of me, check the overview thread for detailed info.
Lylo or LoL = Lynch or lose, the point of the game at which we have to lynch scum or they'll likely win.
What have I missed?
As it's your first game, you get a free pass for asking a question which has already been answered. Next time, please read first, though. (And with all the stuff that has arisen since you last posted, perhaps you could give us a bit more input? What's your take on Blue Ghost's posts? Do you believe OMT's claim? Etc, etc.)
Don't like the speed of the wagon at all, even if I can understand why it formed mainly.
Don't like the eagerness to make him claim when a lot of the votes are random.
Don't like Blue_Ghost's vote and unvote.
Unvote Ace
Because it's Kpaca.
I have been in two games in which AE has caught a scum on the first page. IT's not likely, but it's not unheard of.
He could be, or he could be on the fence. Like you are.
What specific parts do you agree with?
I don't like this post at all. You lend both support and unsupport (or whatever the word I'm looking for is) to the wagon, as well as only taking soft stances on a few other things, you then take a partial jab at a newer player. I really don't feel your passive aggressiveness, and you also aren't scum hunting, so much as taking jabs.
Now some people do this (me for instance) as a way of scum hunting. From what I've seen you aren't one of those people.
Not enough data to be anywhere but the fence for me right now. Need moar input. Gut reads are useful, but only when they fit in with other evidence imo.
The reason i really didn't want to claim is because now I'm probably going to die tonight and i don't really have anyone I want to fire my vig shot at so you have all lost a small town power role. GJ everyone, pat kpaca on the back. :).
This is a bad thing for you to do as a town. You shouldn't blindly follow Kpaca.
Are you reading the game?
And we shouldn't give OMT a specific target, more a pool of say 3 targets to pick from.
I really really do not like Blue_Ghost's moving from wanting a claim to not to wanting one again. I feel happy with a Vote Blue Ghost for the time being. His play and his explanation just don't sit right with me.
Nice pot shot at me, and I also don't like the passive slip onto the wagon. You give me really bad vibes.
First game. Still trying to feel things out. Not that it means you should go easy on me, it just means I don't totally get how everything works.
Contrary to kpaca's indication below, I find this rather neutral...except that it's pretty cooly delivered for this being your first game. Since you're not OMGUS-panic-buttoning all over the place, I have to assume that you're level-headed enough to be taken seriously. Unvote indomitablebug, but IGMEOY.
I like where you are going with idb Cantrip, but I'm not sure if I don't like lrd more. Your thoughts as the next most experienced player?
1) On a strict number-of-games basis, lrd's more experienced than I am, but I guess you can't ask him his opinion on this, can you? It caught me way off-guard to be "the next most experienced player"...
2) I've been pegging lrd as town, and a quick reread seems to reinforce that for me, with the possible exception of:
kpaca whether you are town or scum i cannot tell but of one thing i am certain, you sir annoy me.
and Get used to it. kpaca can be abrasive. (Un?)fortunately, he's also rather insightful as town and devious as scum, so while his methods may be unusual, he's a good addition to a game.
But he's putting forth effort, which points toward him being town.
But from what I hear he's also really experienced, so maybe he plays the same way in the beginning regardless of what side he's on? It makes perfect sense to be proactive toward someone even if he's on the mafia side, but even that won't tell us whether or not OMT is scum/town. WIFOM situation I guess.
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But from what I hear he's also really experienced, so maybe he plays the same way in the beginning regardless of what side he's on? It makes perfect sense to be proactive toward someone even if he's on the mafia side, but even that won't tell us whether or not OMT is scum/town. WIFOM situation I guess.
I lurk a lot as scum, it makes it easy for me to win.
WIFOM situation!!!!!!!
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But from what I hear he's also really experienced, so maybe he plays the same way in the beginning regardless of what side he's on? It makes perfect sense to be proactive toward someone even if he's on the mafia side, but even that won't tell us whether or not OMT is scum/town. WIFOM situation I guess.
I agree with this. If someone was scum, why would they act any different? If they act proactive and scumhunt townies it puts suspicion on townies and it also keeps them off the radar
If someone was scum, why would they act any different?
A scum would act differently because s/he would have a different objective.
Naturally, any scum will try to hide in plain sight (or lurk) by acting like a townie. It's our job to identify the little slip-ups/tells that point to someone being scum; trying to look for the intention behind someone's behavior is the general idea.
I unvoted because I realized that the wagon was moving very fast. Like I said, I don't want to mislynch a power role day 1. I agree with him that we should slow it down, and that pressure should be applied to onemore time
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Kpaca goes with his gut, and he's not big into explaning himself. What he's already provided is a rare beast, indeed.
As for the votes on OMT, as far as I can tell, only unkyunk's is random. The other four (kpaca, indomitablebug, Cantripmancer, Blue Ghost4) all posted with reasons that didn't sound random. Blue Ghost, if you felt that your reason(s) for voting him were good before, I'm surprised that Falkonn's post swayed you away from OMT. I'll echo lrd: what do you agree with enough to remove the vote?
EWP: BG, you want to apply pressure to OMT...you were ALL for the claim before Falkonn came in, and your reasons for unvoting are just barns of Falkonn..."Don't want to expose a power role" is good practice, but it's not a reason to keep someone who's acting scummy from claiming...If you want to apply pressure, the best way is with your vote. His claiming doesn't inevitably lead to him being lynched. I find your reasons for unvoting suspicious.
I can appreciate that people are busy - I just got out of school for the year, so I guess I was a little overzealous and posting frequently.
Did I hurt the town's chances? I really hope not.
General question: Meanings of L-2 and D1?
L-2 = Two votes away from being lynched. It's the traditional point at which a player claims. Likewise, L-1 = 1 vote from being lynched, L-5 = 5 votes from being lynched.
D1 = Day 1
N1 = Night 1
FOS = Finger of Suspicion, used to identify suspicion when you can't or don't want to vote (for instance, if your vote is on someone else you find scummier).
IGMEOY = I got my eye on you, used to denote suspicion, but less suspicion than an FOS (not used by everyone, but it's usually run into).
WIFOM = Wine in front of me, check the overview thread for detailed info.
Lylo or LoL = Lynch or lose, the point of the game at which we have to lynch scum or they'll likely win.
What have I missed?
Well I was actually kinda surprised with myself when I realized I put him at L-2. I didn't realize that I did it till Kpaca said claim time. Then I said I agree because anyone at L-2 should claim. But it didn't feel right....doing that so fast. And to my knowledge ( although I don't have very much mafia experience) it's not good to get people claiming so early on. He swayed my vote because I was already second guessing myself and he just gave me an excuse to act on those thoughts. I know votes apply pressure but I still don't think it's a good idea to have someone at L-2 so early on. I'm sticking to that. If you want to put him at L-2 already, go ahead. It's just not a good idea for the town IMO.
I guess that's true, but what I'm saying is I want to be more careful about it. I want to wait for more info first. I want to hear more from him first.
No it's ok, I hate the random stage. No you didn't hurt the town's chances lol it's fine. L-2 means it only takes 2 more votes to lynch someone, generally its the rule of thumb that somene at L-2 will claim. D1 means day 1
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Not enough data to be anywhere but the fence for me right now. Need moar input. Gut reads are useful, but only when they fit in with other evidence imo.
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Phew. OK. And I read the explanations of acronyms beforehand (which included OMGUS, FOS, LoL, etc.), but it didn't have everything that has been posted so far, which is why I asked.
Also, aren't there no power roles in the game of mafia? So there should be no fear of exposing them.
I meant 'this game of mafia', rather than 'the game of mafia'.
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There are likely some basic power roles (cop, doc, vig on the town side; roleblocker on the scum side being the most common), but not very many, and not with significant variation on the basic rules of such.
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That post was as far as i was concerned being friendly to a new player, honestly i see nothing wrong with it even looking at it from an outside persons point of view.
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Really don't like this sudden flip-flop, especially because his reasoning for unvoting is terrible.
The wagon was moving just as fast when you jumped on it.
This first part sound wrong, you say that you wanted a claim because he was at L-2, but it doesn't sound like you wanted him at L-2. Why didn't you unvote then?
Vote: OneMoreTime
@IB: Why did you unvote?
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It's a lot less scummy to unvote than to unvote, and give the reason for it being something that happened before your last post.
I am Dragon The towns very one one shot vig. I'm big and nasty and can breathe fire on people i don't like. Seeing as i am currently sick i can't breathe fire more than once. I want to see the swamp defended and am ready to kill in its defense.
^The above is a highly paraphrased role pm^
The reason i really didn't want to claim is because now I'm probably going to die tonight and i don't really have anyone I want to fire my vig shot at so you have all lost a small town power role. GJ everyone, pat kpaca on the back. :).
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Well you kinda put the target on anyway letting everyone know you had a power role. And careful, if you paraphrase too closely, you can be modkilled. If you truly are the one shot vig we should vote on who to use it because you're obviously getting killed tonight. I don't know when you use it, during the night or day?
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You're not an idiot. I didn't mean to sound like a dick earlier. Having a bad day but that has nothing to do with the game. You basically said you had a power role before L-2, which is the only reason I didn't want you to claim. Now you are forced to use your power role early, or we lose a power role on day one.
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completely agree. you said that it didn't feel right for someone to claim so fast and then you voted for omt again. you moved on to ask IB why he unvoted and that feels to me like you didn't want him unvoting.
I still felt that you weren't scum, just did some unusual play until i saw this:
you completely contradicted yourself. first post you wanted him to claim, then after he has you went on to say that because he basically said he had a power role, you didnt want him to claim.
vote blue ghost
Uhhhhhh no? I never said that I didn't want him to claim once he had already let it be known that he had a power role. After that I just wanted to kno the flavor to figure out if it sounded like a legitamate claim.
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I'm not convinced that OneMoreTime is scum, but he certainly looks suspicious right now.
A card game about Presidents. Stabbing each other. With knives.
I do however think that there's at least one scum on the OMT wagon. It formed quickly, and honestly I don't think the way he played deserved such a quick run up like that. There's definitely some very opportunistic voting going on in this game it seems like to me.
I don't think it's wrong to ask Kpaca what he thinks about the wagon he started. I was actually kind of curious about this too.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/blog.php?u=52729
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I'm thinking one of the bolded was meant to be "vote", but by using unvote in both, I'm left wondering if you were crafting a statement, weren't sure which way you wanted it to go, and forgot to go back and fix it before posting.
Defeatism doesn't suit a townie well; it comes off as scummy. What do you mean by "the towns very one one shot vig"? Why the double "one"?
Well, this is interesting. You hop off a fast wagon "for the curiosity of it", and now that OMT's claimed, you're smearing him without voting.
Vote indomitablebug.
I agree with this.
I think Blue Ghost is being attacked for a misrep. I reread the posts in question and I don't see the conflict that's being worried here. His play strikes me more as fencesitting indecision than scummy action. He put the brakes on, several people told him off for it, OMT destroyed Blue Ghost's stated reason for unvoting (blatantly outted himself as a power role), and Blue Ghost said what the heck, let's do it.
While I agree that it's likely, it's also WIFOM, especially this early in the game.
Concur, although I personally don't think Kpaca was in the wrong for starting the ball rolling on OMT. I agree that OMT was acting scummy, and his claim, while believable, doesn't completely exonerate him in my mind.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/blog.php?u=52729
What is this L - 2?
WURDelver
[/MANA]MANA]R[/MANA]GTron
WDeath and Taxes
WSoul Sisters
RWG Pod Combo
URSplinter Twin
URStorm
RBurn
Before I get into L-2, I have another acronym for you: RTFT. It stands for "Read the frickin' thread." If you had read all the posts between here and the last time you posted (something that's critical to the game of Mafia), you'd have found:
The one one is a horrible typo i apparently managed to transform own into one, thus it was supposed to say "own one" not "one one"
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First game. Still trying to feel things out. Not that it means you should go easy on me, it just means I don't totally get how everything works.
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I don't like this post at all. You lend both support and unsupport (or whatever the word I'm looking for is) to the wagon, as well as only taking soft stances on a few other things, you then take a partial jab at a newer player. I really don't feel your passive aggressiveness, and you also aren't scum hunting, so much as taking jabs.
Now some people do this (me for instance) as a way of scum hunting. From what I've seen you aren't one of those people.
Pro town post.
Cry me a river, build a bridge, get over it.
No. If I had something to say I would have said it.
Nice pot shot at me, and I also don't like the passive slip onto the wagon. You give me really bad vibes.
Bad response.
I like where you are going with idb Cantrip, but I'm not sure if I don't like lrd more. Your thoughts as the next most experienced player?
No reason to lynch OMT today with that claim. Maybe reevaluate later.
Contrary to kpaca's indication below, I find this rather neutral...except that it's pretty cooly delivered for this being your first game. Since you're not OMGUS-panic-buttoning all over the place, I have to assume that you're level-headed enough to be taken seriously. Unvote indomitablebug, but IGMEOY.
Seconded.
1) On a strict number-of-games basis, lrd's more experienced than I am, but I guess you can't ask him his opinion on this, can you? It caught me way off-guard to be "the next most experienced player"...
2) I've been pegging lrd as town, and a quick reread seems to reinforce that for me, with the possible exception of:
The first thought was one that I had. The second half feels like a gentle prod to a new player to start serious voting on a questionable wagon.
Tbh, other than that, lrd's posts--including the ones you quoted--seemed town to me. I'll continue this thought once lrd has responded.
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/sarcasm
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and Get used to it. kpaca can be abrasive. (Un?)fortunately, he's also rather insightful as town and devious as scum, so while his methods may be unusual, he's a good addition to a game.
We'll see how the day progresses. /not-sarcasm
But he's putting forth effort, which points toward him being town.
But from what I hear he's also really experienced, so maybe he plays the same way in the beginning regardless of what side he's on? It makes perfect sense to be proactive toward someone even if he's on the mafia side, but even that won't tell us whether or not OMT is scum/town. WIFOM situation I guess.
A card game about Presidents. Stabbing each other. With knives.
Just so you know vigging someone because they annoy you is pretty stupid. But hey, best of luck to you!
I lurk a lot as scum, it makes it easy for me to win.
WIFOM situation!!!!!!!
I agree with this. If someone was scum, why would they act any different? If they act proactive and scumhunt townies it puts suspicion on townies and it also keeps them off the radar
This. It would be incredibly dumb to play with feelings like that. I'm not sure I'm quite ready to remove my vote.
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A scum would act differently because s/he would have a different objective.
Naturally, any scum will try to hide in plain sight (or lurk) by acting like a townie. It's our job to identify the little slip-ups/tells that point to someone being scum; trying to look for the intention behind someone's behavior is the general idea.