Actually I thought it was some sort of trap that you might spring when you claimed personally. So your master plan asks the town to believe in you for an undisclosed amount of time, with no knowledge as to how that plan is going to unfold or even help the town, and assume that you were smart enough to plant this trap from the get go?
No offense your a good mafia player from what little I've seen, but that's a tall order for anyone. To be honest, I would absolutely love it if you were in fact town and it all panned out the way you claim it will. Would be amazing, but I have a hard time believing in your plan. I don't understand why your playing the way that you have been, thus me being critical of that play.
Of course you don't understand it, that's the point.
Though it won't pan out like I want to, the scum still have to decide how they want to handle me maybe being a supersaint, the town on the other hand, shouldnt' care. Claiming super saint isn't a scum tell, and if you don't believe me it's not like you are taking the risk of killing your doctor.
So far I'd say everything that has happened is pretty win.
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Unfortunately I'm pretty much always going to be wary of you this game based on the way your playing this out. Whether or not you are a super saint, if you are town it doesn't make sense to create this much doubt about your alignment. Personally I would like to see if you stick to your guns w/ the super saint thing if you get to L-2, but that's just because I think it's more likely that your scummy then town. For now I think your the best lead that the town has, and worst come to worst I think a wagon on you would give us a great deal of information about other people.
People shouldn't be afraid to hammer a claimed super saint if they think that person is scum. Would be a sad day for the town if he was a super saint and a town hammered him though.
See Kpaca has been very clever with this gambit - there will always be a niggling doubt in everyone's mind about whether or not he is a supersaint, whether that person is town or scum, and so no-one will be willing to hammer kpaca. Just in case.
Plus now the scum have some added factors when they decide if they want to night kill me or not.
I really don't lose anything by causing this chaos either, and I don't see that the town has lost anything either.
I'm pleased with how I've handled everything
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Is it just me, or does it feel like SP is trying to delay a meta-investigation on him?
I welcome one. I was just curious as to what he felt my typical play was. It was just out of sheer curiosity, so I figured it could wait until after the game. If I'm wrong, then feel free to let me know in-game.
EWP:His "previous role" proves little, OMT, but reviewing his posts, I also find it a little suspicious that he's going after Archae so hard on his singling out jwn.
It wasn't just because he singled out jwn; it's the fact that he singled anybody out, considering there were plenty of people that were not contributing.
I always do this within the first two posts when I replace.
I work off of my gut a lot.
I welcome one. I was just curious as to what he felt my typical play was. It was just out of sheer curiosity, so I figured it could wait until after the game. If I'm wrong, then feel free to let me know in-game.
In due time.
It wasn't just because he singled out jwn; it's the fact that he singled anybody out, considering there were plenty of people that were not contributing.
This still doesn't explain why you haven't voted for Unkyunk. Could you please answer that?
Sorry, been busy this weekend. Read through and I just wanna ask SP: What do you mean in due time? If someone asks how you why you think someone is scummy why not just say it? Otherwise you're just withholding info from the town which is really scummy. Kpaca is withholding info from the town too but he thinks its some sort of crazy plan (which prolly won't work)
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Which in turn gives you an excuse if you're still alive on D3 etc. given that your experience makes you the most obvious NK, which in turn makes it a good ploy if you were scum no?
Yeah I suppose so. Apparently my ploys are pretty water tight all around.
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Sorry, been busy this weekend. Read through and I just wanna ask SP: What do you mean in due time? If someone asks how you why you think someone is scummy why not just say it? Otherwise you're just withholding info from the town which is really scummy. Kpaca is withholding info from the town too but he thinks its some sort of crazy plan (which prolly won't work)
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So me withholding information is scummy because I didn't say why, but kpaca withholding information isn't scummy because he said he has a plan? If I like your answer, I'll explain sooner than I had planned to.
If someone asks how you why you think someone is scummy why not just say it?
I want to see if he consistently performs his scummy behavior before I tell him what it is. If I'm right about him being scum, why let him know what gave him away so soon?
I want to see if he consistently performs his scummy behavior before I tell him what it is. If I'm right about him being scum, why let him know what gave him away so soon?
Good answer. I didn't really think of that, but why not just say that in the first place? Being cryptic always sounds scummy. Like why Falkkons voting for kpaca, its because Kpacas purposefully being cryptic because some "plan." From what I've seen you almost always have to be like super specific and explain everything in detail or something little will get misconstrued and its like "Ohh! I found scum!" Sorry bout the little rant lol
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From what I've seen you almost always have to be like super specific and explain everything in detail or something little will get misconstrued and its like "Ohh! I found scum!"
Though it won't pan out like I want to, the scum still have to decide how they want to handle me maybe being a supersaint, the town on the other hand, shouldnt' care. Claiming super saint isn't a scum tell, and if you don't believe me it's not like you are taking the risk of killing your doctor.
But we do have to worry about what you might be if you're scum falseclaiming SS. And the longer you stay alive, the harder it becomes to believe you, and the easier it is for the scum to cast doubt and suspicion on you, which is why I think you're either scum of a calculating nature, or that you didn't think this thing through. I'd almost rather rip the bandaid off now, when it won't be as game-shattering if we lose two townies.
In fact, I personally volunteer to hammer you if it comes to that so that no one has to face that uncertainty. I really don't think you're a SS.
Sorry, been busy this weekend. Read through and I just wanna ask SP: What do you mean in due time? If someone asks how you why you think someone is scummy why not just say it? Otherwise you're just withholding info from the town which is really scummy. Kpaca is withholding info from the town too but he thinks its some sort of crazy plan (which prolly won't work)
You've already been called on this, but tht's pretty hipocritical, isn't it (SP is scum for being cryptic, but kpaca gets to get away with it)?
Good answer. I didn't really think of that, but why not just say that in the first place? Being cryptic always sounds scummy. Like why Falkkons voting for kpaca, its because Kpacas purposefully being cryptic because some "plan." From what I've seen you almost always have to be like super specific and explain everything in detail or something little will get misconstrued and its like "Ohh! I found scum!" Sorry bout the little rant lol
You're still sounding oddly nervous. I'm finding it harder and harder to chalk it up to you posting style.
Unk! Get back in here and post some more so that we can call SP out on his crypticity!
Its about players in general. Mafia players are always so quick to jump on someone and call them scum for the slightest eason. It gets to the point where I'm not sure what a scum tell is anymore.
I loled. And I bow to your intelligence, whatever the outcome.
But we do have to worry about what you might be if you're scum falseclaiming SS. And the longer you stay alive, the harder it becomes to believe you, and the easier it is for the scum to cast doubt and suspicion on you, which is why I think you're either scum of a calculating nature, or that you didn't think this thing through. I'd almost rather rip the bandaid off now, when it won't be as game-shattering if we lose two townies.
In fact, I personally volunteer to hammer you if it comes to that so that no one has to face that uncertainty. I really don't think you're a SS.
You've already been called on this, but tht's pretty hipocritical, isn't it (SP is scum for being cryptic, but kpaca gets to get away with it)?
You're still sounding oddly nervous. I'm finding it harder and harder to chalk it up to you posting style.
Unk! Get back in here and post some more so that we can call SP out on his crypticity!
To me this sounds like a very town post. I'm not nervous. I was just saying, well read the above comment to sp. Yeah I guess its not fair to call sp on it and not kpaca but I guess I was being hypocritical in another way. I was just thinking kpaca was weird and thats how he plays. But I've already said I don't like metagaming so I'll stop doing that right now. I still think sp is more scummy than kpaca still, but would be willing to try and try to figure out ths plan.
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Secondly, duh...it would make people less interested in hammering you.
That's really not going to happen. If the town decides the person who says they are supersaint is scum, they just vote on who should hammer, and have the second scummiest person do it. IF that person refuses, they get lynched. So sorry, your scenario is not one in which scum kpaca would benefit. But feel free to delve deeper into mafia theory and try and come up with one
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Thanks for telling us how to handle the super saint situation.
It's nice of you to tell us that you realized that poking at me didn't lead to my immediate lynch and you are going to flail at someone else now in an attempt to keep the focus off yourself.
Did I mention that I'm about to switch focus and totally convince you all we should vote for indombug? Yeah get ready for that.
Are you trying to make me panic or something? Maybe throw an OMGUS vote at you?
Clearly this post was made to elicit a reaction from me. But I have to agree with Falkonn. It looks like you're jumping targets in order to keep attention away from yourself. I wasn't under the impression that I'd done anything particularly scummy. As I mentioned on the previous page, I've gotten a little lost, so I'm glad you're at least giving me something to post about.
But please, do tell as to why you think I'm not town? Or is it because you know I'm town but want to convince the other townies that I'm not?
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Thanks for telling us how to handle the super saint situation.
It's nice of you to tell us that you realized that poking at me didn't lead to my immediate lynch and you are going to flail at someone else now in an attempt to keep the focus off yourself.
No I just decided you were town during our exchanges. I'm still confidant if I wanted I could have had you wagoned. It's cool if you disagree though.
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I'm impressed. You've taken your ego-game to a whole new level!
Seriously, though. I don't like iBug's response. It's a little too cautious.
I'm being cautious because that's how I play games in general. I rarely take a balls to the wall approach when a cautious one will work.
I debated not responding to it at all, but I figure I'm probably in a lose-lose situation right now because of my inexperience with the game.
No response would probably look suspicious.
Making a response would probably look suspicious unless it was perfect, and even then would look suspicious to some people.
So the mere act of saying he's going to start a wagon on me is giving me enough rope to hang myself with.
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I'm impressed. You've taken your ego-game to a whole new level!
Seriously, though. I don't like iBug's response. It's a little too cautious.
I am not convinced that indomitablebug is town - truthfully, I have yet to mentally clear anyone yet - but how could one respond to such a claim as aggressively passive as kpaca made? If ibug comes in all hot, s/he looks over-anxious about being figured out as scum. I guess the way I read it, ibug doesn't look particularly scummy - his/her response is similar to response I would have made in the same situation.
I echo my sentiments about kpaca's playing: I see kpaca as trying to incite suspicion against him, (I suppose) so that he may take on the role of lead townie. This may be a good or a very bad thing.
I'm being cautious because that's how I play games in general. I rarely take a balls to the wall approach when a cautious one will work.
I debated not responding to it at all, but I figure I'm probably in a lose-lose situation right now because of my inexperience with the game.
No response would probably look suspicious.
Making a response would probably look suspicious unless it was perfect, and even then would look suspicious to some people.
So the mere act of saying he's going to start a wagon on me is giving me enough rope to hang myself with.
This is a much better response, imo. Doesn't make you town, but doesn't feel like a scum response.
I echo my sentiments about kpaca's playing: I see kpaca as trying to incite suspicion against him, (I suppose) so that he may take on the role of lead townie. This may be a good or a very bad thing.
It means I'm in complete agreement with what you said. It's actually tongue-in-cheek, as "barning" is simply echoing another player's information without providing any content of your own (not sure where the term comes from), and is often seen as a scumtell (because scum are perfectly happy to let everyone else argue it out, and if they're not posting their own opinions, it's harder to nail them down later).
In the meantime, shall we scumhunt? I still have issues with Silent Prophet. He continues to be obscure. Post moar, SP!
Oh yes, and FOS: dracofaust. I'd be voting you, but I think SP is more suspicious. You, on the other hand, haven't posted in four days and come back in to play the predator. I can practically see you hunkered over iBug's not-quite-dead body, waiting to see if kpaca's case sounds compelling enough for you to jump on the wagon without appearing scummy.
Contribute, please, draco, instead of waiting for others to do your dirty work.
Its about players in general. Mafia players are always so quick to jump on someone and call them scum for the slightest eason. It gets to the point where I'm not sure what a scum tell is anymore.
In the meantime, shall we scumhunt? I still have issues with Silent Prophet. He continues to be obscure. Post moar, SP!
Oh yes, and FOS: dracofaust. I'd be voting you, but I think SP is more suspicious. You, on the other hand, haven't posted in four days and come back in to play the predator. I can practically see you hunkered over iBug's not-quite-dead body, waiting to see if kpaca's case sounds compelling enough for you to jump on the wagon without appearing scummy.
Contribute, please, draco, instead of waiting for others to do your dirty work.
I'm not trying to play the predator. I reread some of bug's posts and i didn't find them scummy so I'm wondering what Kpaca found.
I'm kinda suspicious of SP. I'd like him to explain why he's so sure Kpaca is town and Unkyuk is scum before we decide on the softclaim.
Don't like the tone of this really. Seems to be trying to discredit Kpaca/his case before it has been made.
Well it's just annoying that he would say hey, I'm gonna make you think he's scum, and then just go away. Why are you so interested in me? You never like what I do and always seem to think everything i do is suspicious.
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Why do you think that kpaca is town? I hope it's not due to his scum/town tendencies.
It's just that claiming to be supersaint like that would not benefit scum much. If he's town claiming supersaint would make scum less likely to kill him during the night. If he's scum then we wouldn't hesitate to lynch him just because he's supersaint. 1-1 trade is very good for town.
@SP The only thing i could find that makes unk seem scummy was his first post, voting for omt right after two other people voted for him. Then again he hasn't posted much.
It's just that claiming to be supersaint like that would not benefit scum much. If he's town claiming supersaint would make scum less likely to kill him during the night. If he's scum then we wouldn't hesitate to lynch him just because he's supersaint. 1-1 trade is very good for town.
He's also been throwing around WIFOM stuff a lot this game, so it's entirely possible he's using the Supersaint claim as a means of making us believe he's town because there's almost no reason for scum to claim it.
He's got his "Master Plan," and if he's scum and we all just go along with whatever he says, we're screwed.
I'm not saying we write him off as scum immediately, I just think we have to be cautious with him still.
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Of course you don't understand it, that's the point.
Though it won't pan out like I want to, the scum still have to decide how they want to handle me maybe being a supersaint, the town on the other hand, shouldnt' care. Claiming super saint isn't a scum tell, and if you don't believe me it's not like you are taking the risk of killing your doctor.
So far I'd say everything that has happened is pretty win.
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Plus now the scum have some added factors when they decide if they want to night kill me or not.
I really don't lose anything by causing this chaos either, and I don't see that the town has lost anything either.
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I always do this within the first two posts when I replace.
I work off of my gut a lot.
I welcome one. I was just curious as to what he felt my typical play was. It was just out of sheer curiosity, so I figured it could wait until after the game. If I'm wrong, then feel free to let me know in-game.
In due time.
It wasn't just because he singled out jwn; it's the fact that he singled anybody out, considering there were plenty of people that were not contributing.
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This still doesn't explain why you haven't voted for Unkyunk. Could you please answer that?
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Yeah I suppose so. Apparently my ploys are pretty water tight all around.
I don't want to yet.
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So me withholding information is scummy because I didn't say why, but kpaca withholding information isn't scummy because he said he has a plan? If I like your answer, I'll explain sooner than I had planned to.
Also...this part:
I want to see if he consistently performs his scummy behavior before I tell him what it is. If I'm right about him being scum, why let him know what gave him away so soon?
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Good answer. I didn't really think of that, but why not just say that in the first place? Being cryptic always sounds scummy. Like why Falkkons voting for kpaca, its because Kpacas purposefully being cryptic because some "plan." From what I've seen you almost always have to be like super specific and explain everything in detail or something little will get misconstrued and its like "Ohh! I found scum!" Sorry bout the little rant lol
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Being cryptic has its merits.
Is this about me, or about players in general?
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But we do have to worry about what you might be if you're scum falseclaiming SS. And the longer you stay alive, the harder it becomes to believe you, and the easier it is for the scum to cast doubt and suspicion on you, which is why I think you're either scum of a calculating nature, or that you didn't think this thing through. I'd almost rather rip the bandaid off now, when it won't be as game-shattering if we lose two townies.
In fact, I personally volunteer to hammer you if it comes to that so that no one has to face that uncertainty. I really don't think you're a SS.
You've already been called on this, but tht's pretty hipocritical, isn't it (SP is scum for being cryptic, but kpaca gets to get away with it)?
You're still sounding oddly nervous. I'm finding it harder and harder to chalk it up to you posting style.
Unk! Get back in here and post some more so that we can call SP out on his crypticity!
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Its about players in general. Mafia players are always so quick to jump on someone and call them scum for the slightest eason. It gets to the point where I'm not sure what a scum tell is anymore.
To me this sounds like a very town post. I'm not nervous. I was just saying, well read the above comment to sp. Yeah I guess its not fair to call sp on it and not kpaca but I guess I was being hypocritical in another way. I was just thinking kpaca was weird and thats how he plays. But I've already said I don't like metagaming so I'll stop doing that right now. I still think sp is more scummy than kpaca still, but would be willing to try and try to figure out ths plan.
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Secondly, duh...it would make people less interested in hammering you.
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Yep.
That's really not going to happen. If the town decides the person who says they are supersaint is scum, they just vote on who should hammer, and have the second scummiest person do it. IF that person refuses, they get lynched. So sorry, your scenario is not one in which scum kpaca would benefit. But feel free to delve deeper into mafia theory and try and come up with one
It's nice of you to tell us that you realized that poking at me didn't lead to my immediate lynch and you are going to flail at someone else now in an attempt to keep the focus off yourself.
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Are you trying to make me panic or something? Maybe throw an OMGUS vote at you?
Clearly this post was made to elicit a reaction from me. But I have to agree with Falkonn. It looks like you're jumping targets in order to keep attention away from yourself. I wasn't under the impression that I'd done anything particularly scummy. As I mentioned on the previous page, I've gotten a little lost, so I'm glad you're at least giving me something to post about.
But please, do tell as to why you think I'm not town? Or is it because you know I'm town but want to convince the other townies that I'm not?
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hmm, indeed you were. Updated.um I already have you voting SP.
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No I just decided you were town during our exchanges. I'm still confidant if I wanted I could have had you wagoned. It's cool if you disagree though.
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I'm impressed. You've taken your ego-game to a whole new level!
Seriously, though. I don't like iBug's response. It's a little too cautious.
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I'm being cautious because that's how I play games in general. I rarely take a balls to the wall approach when a cautious one will work.
I debated not responding to it at all, but I figure I'm probably in a lose-lose situation right now because of my inexperience with the game.
No response would probably look suspicious.
Making a response would probably look suspicious unless it was perfect, and even then would look suspicious to some people.
So the mere act of saying he's going to start a wagon on me is giving me enough rope to hang myself with.
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I am not convinced that indomitablebug is town - truthfully, I have yet to mentally clear anyone yet - but how could one respond to such a claim as aggressively passive as kpaca made? If ibug comes in all hot, s/he looks over-anxious about being figured out as scum. I guess the way I read it, ibug doesn't look particularly scummy - his/her response is similar to response I would have made in the same situation.
I echo my sentiments about kpaca's playing: I see kpaca as trying to incite suspicion against him, (I suppose) so that he may take on the role of lead townie. This may be a good or a very bad thing.
This is a much better response, imo. Doesn't make you town, but doesn't feel like a scum response.
/barn.
Meaning of /barn?
It means I'm in complete agreement with what you said. It's actually tongue-in-cheek, as "barning" is simply echoing another player's information without providing any content of your own (not sure where the term comes from), and is often seen as a scumtell (because scum are perfectly happy to let everyone else argue it out, and if they're not posting their own opinions, it's harder to nail them down later).
Sounds like you might be waiting a while.
In the meantime, shall we scumhunt? I still have issues with Silent Prophet. He continues to be obscure. Post moar, SP!
Oh yes, and FOS: dracofaust. I'd be voting you, but I think SP is more suspicious. You, on the other hand, haven't posted in four days and come back in to play the predator. I can practically see you hunkered over iBug's not-quite-dead body, waiting to see if kpaca's case sounds compelling enough for you to jump on the wagon without appearing scummy.
Contribute, please, draco, instead of waiting for others to do your dirty work.
Gotcha. I don't prescribe to universal tells.
So...soft claim? Humanoid/not humanoid?
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I'm not trying to play the predator. I reread some of bug's posts and i didn't find them scummy so I'm wondering what Kpaca found.
I'm kinda suspicious of SP. I'd like him to explain why he's so sure Kpaca is town and Unkyuk is scum before we decide on the softclaim.
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Why do you think that kpaca is town? I hope it's not due to his scum/town tendencies.
Well it's just annoying that he would say hey, I'm gonna make you think he's scum, and then just go away. Why are you so interested in me? You never like what I do and always seem to think everything i do is suspicious.
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It's just that claiming to be supersaint like that would not benefit scum much. If he's town claiming supersaint would make scum less likely to kill him during the night. If he's scum then we wouldn't hesitate to lynch him just because he's supersaint. 1-1 trade is very good for town.
@SP The only thing i could find that makes unk seem scummy was his first post, voting for omt right after two other people voted for him. Then again he hasn't posted much.
He's also been throwing around WIFOM stuff a lot this game, so it's entirely possible he's using the Supersaint claim as a means of making us believe he's town because there's almost no reason for scum to claim it.
He's got his "Master Plan," and if he's scum and we all just go along with whatever he says, we're screwed.
I'm not saying we write him off as scum immediately, I just think we have to be cautious with him still.
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