I was referring to her explanation of the "serious vote."
First she said it was serious, then she claimed she didn't mean it and only was attempting to draw reactions, and then she started acting silly so people would stop paying attention to her.
She was definitely lying about her motivations somewhere in there, probably several times. -And that earns her a vote.
Ok, I misunderstood you. However, I don't think that I commented specifically on that issue at all, though it is covered here:
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Not saying that she hasn't been acting strangely, or scummy even, just that I am willing to buy that was just trying to be silly and have some fun.
If there were a mafia dictionary, next to lurker, it would have your name, CPE.
Also.
Not saying that she hasn't been acting strangely, or scummy even, just that I am willing to buy that was just trying to be silly and have some fun.
The idea that someone knowingly acted scummy because they 'wanted to have fun' is nonsense. Someone is trying too hard to defend MH.
Besides, MH is a fairly calculated player anyway. She knew what she was doing/trying to do, it just didn't work out and she had to backpedal. Which also didn't work out. She is scum.
As I see it, there have been two accusations against her:
A) That she has been acting strangely.
B) That she made a serious vote and then tried to call it random.
I said that I don't think A is necessarily scummy but that B might be. Just not enough for me to be feeling a vote right now.
Who started the soft-claim and why didn't you wait to see if we got a consensus before going ahead with it? I am currently against it and I don't like how eager AI, Nom_Anor and DKD were to claim.
From what I've read in other games, soft claims are better for the town than they are for the scum - hence my "eagerness." Your retiscence here is noted.
@Softclaimers: While the idea may have some merit, usually its better to discuss it fully before you all start throwing information out there. I currently am not in favor of this claim as it does not seem beneficial too the town, as there are so many kid and adult characters you arent limiting anything.
Do you watch South Park? HAve you watched consecutive seasons? Why do I ask?, because the opening credits are populated by all the characters that have appeared, more or less.
Yes there are a lot of characters. However, age is a decent limiting factor for later claims. Asking for a soft claim of kid or adult in say a generic Comic book or Movie Mafia would be useless, but in this case there is a finite set of charaters that have appeared in South park. The set size may seem daunting and unmanageable but a soft claim will help it the long run.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
And while there might be a finite amount of kids or adults, there are still way more than be sifted through. There's the entire class of kids, plus randoms from the other grades, with almost as many adults.
And while a softclaim might be beneficial for the town, the fact we have had 3 people already claim without any consensus is not a good thing IMO.
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I could definitely see doing it D2 after we have some hard evidence of at least 1 person (today's lynch), probably 2 (a NK) to go off of, and connections that could be made.
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@dropkickdude: Soft claims can be useful if they are indeed limiting the ability of the scums to fake claim later on and can be slightly used by the town to gain some new information. The problem I have with this one is two fold. One, the immense amount of characters that are in both age groups (@Infinis, have seen quite a few episodes but have not watched full seasons, but South Park still has MANY more characters than the average flavor) and two, not only do we not know what group of people the scums are and this claim does not seem to do anything to limit their claims.
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As I see it, there have been two accusations against her:
A) That she has been acting strangely.
B) That she made a serious vote and then tried to call it random.
I said that I don't think A is necessarily scummy but that B might be. Just not enough for me to be feeling a vote right now.
I did the same things as scum in LotR II and got lynched for them. Why are you protecting MandersHex?
@Everyone else - what about non-human characters. There are actually a fair few, but at the same time, this category is small enough to give good guesses of who people are.
I think anyone who is non-human should claim "Adult."
@dropkickdude: Soft claims can be useful if they are indeed limiting the ability of the scums to fake claim later on and can be slightly used by the town to gain some new information. The problem I have with this one is two fold. One, the immense amount of characters that are in both age groups (@Infinis, have seen quite a few episodes but have not watched full seasons, but South Park still has MANY more characters than the average flavor) and two, not only do we not know what group of people the scums are and this claim does not seem to do anything to limit their claims.
Cutting the available false claims in half still seems decent to me. As long as non-human characters, if any, claim adult no one's exposed to the scum, either. I see either positive or no net gain from this, but I can't see how it could hurt.
I'm not against claiming age. as it's been said, it'll lock scum into a group, while not giving away any town information that would be beneficial to them.
So, Seppel misinterprets an unvote, you realize his obvious misinterpretation, but agree with his reasoning anyway? Huh??
-I can't read this as honest town reasoning. Much more likely an attempt at deflecting.
WTF are you talking about? lol
I stated what my first thought was when I read his post, then said, since Seppel pointed that out, that I could see this being the case as well.
As much as I love soft claims, this doesn't seem like a helpful idea at all. I liked the child/adult idea, though.
As do I. Why did you feel the need to point out that this was not helpful?
As do I.
Sacrifice for some greater good? -Sure.
Sacrifice for a 1-for-1 trade with scum? -Awesome.
Sacrifice in the name of silliness? -Clearly not okay.
Hence why I have stopped. Same thing to you, man. If you come up with something new for me to defend, then I will. Until then, I'm moving forward.
I am feeling a little better about MandersHex due to her recent posts but I know that she's good enough to be able to pull this play as scum. Whether she's ballsy enough is a different story altogether, but I could convince myself either way.
F-first of all, you're dealing with a higher caliber of players in this game. Simply staying in the background and jumping on easy mislynches wouldn't take you the distance. Secondly, self-meta doesn't work; you don't gain any credibility whatsoever for referencing your previous games.
I'm for an age soft claim, but we need a majority in agreement before it continues, imo
What a waste of time that would be. There are no disadvantages to such a claim and to continue debating as to whether we should do it distracts from scum hunting. People need to soft claim so we can lynch the bad guys. If you're against the claim at least pressure scummy players while you're posting so progress is made.
I'm not against claiming age. as it's been said, it'll lock scum into a group, while not giving away any town information that would be beneficial to them.
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I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
@Asian: You dont think they would have taken into account having to worry about a soft claim early? Considering it happens practically every game on D1 and there are only so many different ways to do a soft claim, it wouldnt take much to have one ready.
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@Asian: You dont think they would have taken into account having to worry about a soft claim early? Considering it happens practically every game on D1 and there are only so many different ways to do a soft claim, it wouldnt take much to have one ready.
Saying that a soft claim happens on D1 in "practically every game" is hyperbole unless you have data to support this claim.
If the scum already have false claims ready, there is no benefit to a false claim, but no harm either. If they don't, they will need to scramble to prepare one, and may do a poor job of choosing one. Also, they will have to stick to that false claim throughout the game. The simple act of remembering that lie made early in the game will be one more area in which scum have an opportunity to make a mistake. The soft claim has potential benefit but no risk. Doing it is pro-town.
Potential benefit being what? We lock someone into either being a kid or an adult? Like I mentioned before, there are at least as many kids/adults in the show as there are people in this game. There is way too much room to have for a false claim in this game for me to see a soft claim have any sort beneficial usage.
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Potential benefit being what? We lock someone into either being a kid or an adult? Like I mentioned before, there are at least as many kids/adults in the show as there are people in this game. There is way too much room to have for a false claim in this game for me to see a soft claim have any sort beneficial usage.
Question then:
What would be the potential harm in this soft claim? Especially if you say that this particular claim is too loose to really catch anyone.
I guess I just don't see the reason for such opposition if you find it a pretty pointless idea.
I'm a kid, fwiw.
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About the only harm I could see is that there is now roughly 2 pages worth of people claiming before even half the players chimed in about it, and we've wasted how much time now on this instead of actually looking to catch scum?
Soft claiming is mod gaming, when we should be looking at behaviour to catch scum.
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On the contrary, just the subject of the soft claim is giving us plenty of behavioral information; markedly from you.
And a soft claim is not mod gaming in the least. It's a way to lock people into something early on; nothing much more.
Nobody has suggested what the proportion of kids:adults should be...which is the only way I could see mod gaming from that.
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Saying that a soft claim happens on D1 in "practically every game" is hyperbole unless you have data to support this claim.
If the scum already have false claims ready, there is no benefit to a false claim, but no harm either. If they don't, they will need to scramble to prepare one, and may do a poor job of choosing one. Also, they will have to stick to that false claim throughout the game. The simple act of remembering that lie made early in the game will be one more area in which scum have an opportunity to make a mistake. The soft claim has potential benefit but no risk. Doing it is pro-town.
Actually, soft claims have happened D1 in many games recently. At least, more than I remember it happening in the past.
I did the same things as scum in LotR II and got lynched for them. Why are you protecting MandersHex?
I have no idea what you did or didn't do there and it has no bearing on this game.
I said that she did something I find scummy (just that being silly isn't it), how is that defending her?
About the only harm I could see is that there is now roughly 2 pages worth of people claiming before even half the players chimed in about it, and we've wasted how much time now on this instead of actually looking to catch scum?
Soft claiming is mod gaming, when we should be looking at behaviour to catch scum.
You're fighting the soft-claim too hard, and it's obviously happening whatever you say. Stalling? I think so... Vote: jskura
Soft-claim definitely has enough support now, I am a kid.
I have no idea what you did or didn't do there and it has no bearing on this game.
I said that she did something I find scummy (just that being silly isn't it), how is that defending her?
A m-moderately experienced player behaving inappropriately silly and anxious is a solid scum tell. I'm sure someone else can provide a description of MandersHex's scum meta if you like, perhaps Alpha or Cyan. (P.S. Cyan already did.)
You're fighting the soft-claim too hard, and it's obviously happening whatever you say. Stalling? I think so... Vote: jskura
Soft-claim definitely has enough support now, I am a kid.
I'm going to agree with Alpha and Killah in that jskura's reticence regarding the soft claim is troubling. Probably not worth a vote but it definitely doesn't help the town.
Troubling, and doesn't help the town..but isn't worth a vote? Interesting disconnect.
N-not over MandersHex IMO, though I'm fine with smoke_Killah voting him (but not so much with Killah protecting Manders).
You've been playing pretty cautiously lately compared to some of your older games, and not just in this game. Is it fair to say that your playstyle is changing?
I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
Looks like we've finally reached a majority in favor of the softclaim, so you slowpokes claim when you get back in.
I was thinking about jsuka, and I've decided his strangely vehement opposition to the softclaim is probably town. Being scum, I think he'd be reluctant to go out that far against a softclaim, so though it's a bit wifomy,
I'm going to say it makes him likely town in my book.
I don't know if nom is town or scum. But I'd like to point out this type of behavior is his standard modus operandi.
Court Mafia: Day 1, hatch plan to KILL EVERYONE ELSE IN A SINGLE NIGHT, when the plan only allows him to hit 11 random players, ATTEMPTS TO FIRE ANYHOW (Roleblocked).
In other words....Nom is an impulsive player who doesn't think about planning long-term or listening to others. I wouldn't be surprised if he was town. At all.
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I was thinking about jsuka, and I've decided his strangely vehement opposition to the softclaim is probably town. Being scum, I think he'd be reluctant to go out that far against a softclaim, so though it's a bit wifomy,
I'm going to say it makes him likely town in my book.
I'm going to agree, and say that you look suspicious for bringing it up like that.
I stated what my first thought was when I read his post, then said, since Seppel pointed that out, that I could see this being the case as well.
Sorry, not buying this either. There is no way you read that initial post correctly, then read seppel's misinterpretation and saw that misinterpretation as a reasonable possibly. That's even sillier than your early play this game.
Using seppel's flawed read to deflect suspicion elsewhere? -That makes much more sense.
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Why did you feel the need to point out that this was not helpful?
-So we wouldn't waste our time listening to 20+ players say they were male when we could be doing something more constructive. Like the claim we decided on.
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Did I play like this when I was scum in our game?
If you were scum, would you be trying to mimic your former scum play?
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How would starting to act silly (when I don't normally act so) convince anyone to stop paying attention to me?
-By making it look like you never left RVS so all your previous actions would be ignored and written off as random.
And to add to the soft claim:
AsianInvasion: Kid
Nom_Anor: Kid
dropkickdude: Kid
Seppel: Adult
Id_Ego: Adult
Paelin: Adult
Infinis: Adult
AlphaInsidious: Kid
Cyan: Adult
smoke_Killah: Kid
Zebi: Kid
Bolmedias: Adult
lrd: High Adult
Flew: Kid
Loran: Adult
jskura: Kid
MandersHex: Kid
TheFooFish: Adult
I really do not like the handling of this soft claim, as I believe that more information comes from the discussion of a soft claim than the claim itself, so by having practically no discussion but everybody claiming we missed out on some useful info. I am willing to contribute if the town likes, so
I am an Adult.
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F-first of all, you're dealing with a higher caliber of players in this game. Simply staying in the background and jumping on easy mislynches wouldn't take you the distance.
True enough.
Secondly, self-meta doesn't work; you don't gain any credibility whatsoever for referencing your previous games.
I know this, as well.
What a waste of time that would be. There are no disadvantages to such a claim and to continue debating as to whether we should do it distracts from scum hunting. People need to soft claim so we can lynch the bad guys. If you're against the claim at least pressure scummy players while you're posting so progress is made.
I disagree, and you'll see why when you read CPEs post.
On the contrary, just the subject of the soft claim is giving us plenty of behavioral information; markedly from you.
And a soft claim is not mod gaming in the least. It's a way to lock people into something early on; nothing much more.
Nobody has suggested what the proportion of kids:adults should be...which is the only way I could see mod gaming from that.
Didn't you tell me in another game that someone refusing to take place in a soft-claim was a town tell? Since it'd be silly to draw attention to themselves?
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A m-moderately experienced player behaving inappropriately silly and anxious is a solid scum tell. I'm sure someone else can provide a description of MandersHex's scum meta if you like, perhaps Alpha or Cyan. (P.S. Cyan already did.)
Is anyone going to review my town meta, too, or are you all going to tunnelvision me to death?
Sorry, not buying this either. There is no way you read that initial post correctly, then read seppel's misinterpretation and saw that misinterpretation as a reasonable possibly. That's even sillier than your early play this game.
That's good cause I'm not selling you ☺☺☺☺.
Yeah, it is entirely possible that I did exactly what I said I did. You and Cyan need to pull your heads out of your ass and consider the possibility that I may be town and you may be tunnelvisioned.
Using seppel's flawed read to deflect suspicion elsewhere? -That makes much more sense.
Why the ☺☺☺☺ wouldn't I just jump on the wagon instead of saying "You may be right, but this is what I read"?
This is not WIFOM, this is ☺☺☺☺ing logic. Answer this question w/o ad hom, please.
-So we wouldn't waste our time listening to 20+ players say they were male when we could be doing something more constructive. Like the claim we decided on.
The point in me asking that question is that the town had already decided that age would be better than gender, so you calling me out for it seems like you're just using something else to try to make me look bad.
If you were scum, would you be trying to mimic your former scum play?
I don't think anyone plays that differently scum-to-scum and town-to-town comparison. If so, I just haven't run into them yet.
-By making it look like you never left RVS so all your previous actions would be ignored and written off as random.
Would that ever really work? Doubtful, and you actually believing that I would think this would work is a bit insulting to my intelligence.
I really do not like the handling of this soft claim, as I believe that more information comes from the discussion of a soft claim than the claim itself, so by having practically no discussion but everybody claiming we missed out on some useful info. I am willing to contribute if the town likes, so
/barn like I've never barned before.
This is why I didn't want the claim to happen before it was fully discussed. /B][/B][/B]
Why the ☺☺☺☺ wouldn't I just jump on the wagon instead of saying "You may be right, but this is what I read"?
To remove any blame for it from yourself (since you read it correctly) and place all of it on seppel (since it was his reading, not your's).
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The point in me asking that question is that the town had already decided that age would be better than gender
This is a blatant lie. Jskura suggested the age claim, and I was the very first person to comment on it all. No one else had even mentioned it, and certainly nothing at all had been decided.
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Would that ever really work?
-I don't know, you haven't been lynched yet, so maybe it's been somewhat effective.
To remove any blame for it from yourself (since you read it correctly) and place all of it on seppel (since it was his reading, not your's).
Ok, I've said this before and I'll say it again.
I cannot remove blame for anything. If I do something and it comes up as a scummy situation, whether I put it off on someone else or not, it will always fall back onto me.
So this statement is utter bs.
This is a blatant lie. Jskura suggested the age claim, and I was the very first person to comment on it all. No one else had even mentioned it, and certainly nothing at all had been decided.
It is not a blatant lie and I don't appreciate being called a liar.
I will re-read this section. I could have been mistaken. But, iirc, several people had stated that they thought age > gender before you did this.
-I don't know, you haven't been lynched yet, so maybe it's been somewhat effective.
No, Cyan Jr. What's been effective is that people who are not tunnelvisioned on me have looked at my responses and seen, yeah, that's probably the case.
Unlike you and Cyan.
And this explains why MH had been acting like she was high--she probably comes back to life(which is probably why the no reveal, rather than a complete no-reveal game).
I don't know if nom is town or scum. But I'd like to point out this type of behavior is his standard modus operandi.
Court Mafia: Day 1, hatch plan to KILL EVERYONE ELSE IN A SINGLE NIGHT, when the plan only allows him to hit 11 random players, ATTEMPTS TO FIRE ANYHOW (Roleblocked).
In other words....Nom is an impulsive player who doesn't think about planning long-term or listening to others. I wouldn't be surprised if he was town. At all.
What are the chances, thematically, that she was on a time limit?
I mean, kenny dies every episode, maybe she dies every week and comes back the next game day.
And this explains why MH had been acting like she was high--she probably comes back to life(which is probably why the no reveal, rather than a complete no-reveal game).
Yeah I'd bet she comes back every day as in a new episode.
Want to take the time to look at Asian. Some small things, might be nothing but want to see if the dots connect.
What are the chances, thematically, that she was on a time limit?
I mean, kenny dies every episode, maybe she dies every week and comes back the next game day.
There was a role like this (Drawn together Mafia - Xander) previously. If it's the case, Manders needs to hint at it tomorrow. As it is, I would bet good money that Manders will be back at some point.....
Anyhow, i'm moving out of my apartment tomorrow, so i'm slightly busy right now so will be inactive till sunday.
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Ok, I misunderstood you. However, I don't think that I commented specifically on that issue at all, though it is covered here:
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Also.
The idea that someone knowingly acted scummy because they 'wanted to have fun' is nonsense. Someone is trying too hard to defend MH.
Besides, MH is a fairly calculated player anyway. She knew what she was doing/trying to do, it just didn't work out and she had to backpedal. Which also didn't work out. She is scum.
A) That she has been acting strangely.
B) That she made a serious vote and then tried to call it random.
I said that I don't think A is necessarily scummy but that B might be. Just not enough for me to be feeling a vote right now.
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From what I've read in other games, soft claims are better for the town than they are for the scum - hence my "eagerness." Your retiscence here is noted.
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Do you watch South Park? HAve you watched consecutive seasons? Why do I ask?, because the opening credits are populated by all the characters that have appeared, more or less.
Yes there are a lot of characters. However, age is a decent limiting factor for later claims. Asking for a soft claim of kid or adult in say a generic Comic book or Movie Mafia would be useless, but in this case there is a finite set of charaters that have appeared in South park. The set size may seem daunting and unmanageable but a soft claim will help it the long run.
12-11? I'm losing track
Nice of ya to show up.
And while there might be a finite amount of kids or adults, there are still way more than be sifted through. There's the entire class of kids, plus randoms from the other grades, with almost as many adults.
And while a softclaim might be beneficial for the town, the fact we have had 3 people already claim without any consensus is not a good thing IMO.
Adult.
D2, beneficial. D1, not so much.
A-and Nixon was not a crook.
I did the same things as scum in LotR II and got lynched for them. Why are you protecting MandersHex?
I think anyone who is non-human should claim "Adult."
I disagree. The sooner a soft-claim occurs, the more useful it is. The whole point is to force scum to choose a false claim before they are ready.
Cutting the available false claims in half still seems decent to me. As long as non-human characters, if any, claim adult no one's exposed to the scum, either. I see either positive or no net gain from this, but I can't see how it could hurt.
AsianInvasion: Kid
Nom_Anor: Kid
dropkickdude: Kid
Seppel: Adult
WTF are you talking about? lol
I stated what my first thought was when I read his post, then said, since Seppel pointed that out, that I could see this being the case as well.
As do I. Why did you feel the need to point out that this was not helpful?
Hence why I have stopped. Same thing to you, man. If you come up with something new for me to defend, then I will. Until then, I'm moving forward.
Did I play like this when I was scum in our game?
^this^
Congratulations! You're an adult now.
Why did you do this now? By no means have we agreed to do the soft claim.
Remind me to respond to this when the Family game is over.
How would starting to act silly (when I don't normally act so) convince anyone to stop paying attention to me?
I'd like to know this, too, actually.
If the soft-claim is going to happen, I /barn this.
/barn this as well. We need to decide on this.
I'm for an age soft claim, but we need a majority in agreement before it continues, imo
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F-first of all, you're dealing with a higher caliber of players in this game. Simply staying in the background and jumping on easy mislynches wouldn't take you the distance. Secondly, self-meta doesn't work; you don't gain any credibility whatsoever for referencing your previous games.
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What a waste of time that would be. There are no disadvantages to such a claim and to continue debating as to whether we should do it distracts from scum hunting. People need to soft claim so we can lynch the bad guys. If you're against the claim at least pressure scummy players while you're posting so progress is made.
@softclaim: Adult
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Nom_Anor: Kid
dropkickdude: Kid
Seppel: Adult
Paelin: adult
Me: Adult
12-11? I'm losing track
AsianInvasion: Kid
Nom_Anor: Kid
dropkickdude: Kid
Seppel: Adult
Id_Ego: Adult
Paelin: Adult
Infinis: Adult
Saying that a soft claim happens on D1 in "practically every game" is hyperbole unless you have data to support this claim.
If the scum already have false claims ready, there is no benefit to a false claim, but no harm either. If they don't, they will need to scramble to prepare one, and may do a poor job of choosing one. Also, they will have to stick to that false claim throughout the game. The simple act of remembering that lie made early in the game will be one more area in which scum have an opportunity to make a mistake. The soft claim has potential benefit but no risk. Doing it is pro-town.
Question then:
What would be the potential harm in this soft claim? Especially if you say that this particular claim is too loose to really catch anyone.
I guess I just don't see the reason for such opposition if you find it a pretty pointless idea.
I'm a kid, fwiw.
Soft claiming is mod gaming, when we should be looking at behaviour to catch scum.
And a soft claim is not mod gaming in the least. It's a way to lock people into something early on; nothing much more.
Nobody has suggested what the proportion of kids:adults should be...which is the only way I could see mod gaming from that.
Actually, soft claims have happened D1 in many games recently. At least, more than I remember it happening in the past.
Anyway, I'm an Adult.
I have no idea what you did or didn't do there and it has no bearing on this game.
I said that she did something I find scummy (just that being silly isn't it), how is that defending her?
He's not mentioning drugs, just :ai:
You're fighting the soft-claim too hard, and it's obviously happening whatever you say. Stalling? I think so...
Vote: jskura
Soft-claim definitely has enough support now, I am a kid.
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AsianInvasion: Kid
Nom_Anor: Kid
dropkickdude: Kid
Seppel: Adult
Id_Ego: Adult
Paelin: Adult
Infinis: Adult
AlphaInsidious: Kid
Cyan: Adult
smoke_Killah: Kid
A m-moderately experienced player behaving inappropriately silly and anxious is a solid scum tell. I'm sure someone else can provide a description of MandersHex's scum meta if you like, perhaps Alpha or Cyan. (P.S. Cyan already did.)
As a bit of an aside, the :ai: emote is named after me...except I don't get high.
I'm going to agree with Alpha and Killah in that jskura's reticence regarding the soft claim is troubling. Probably not worth a vote but it definitely doesn't help the town.
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AsianInvasion: Kid
Nom_Anor: Kid
dropkickdude: Kid
Seppel: Adult
Id_Ego: Adult
Paelin: Adult
Infinis: Adult
AlphaInsidious: Kid
Cyan: Adult
smoke_Killah: Kid
Zebi: Kid
N-not over MandersHex IMO, though I'm fine with smoke_Killah voting him (but not so much with Killah protecting Manders).
You've been playing pretty cautiously lately compared to some of your older games, and not just in this game. Is it fair to say that your playstyle is changing?
Soft Claim : I am a kid.
[The Family] pressed the "lynch" button, thinking it was labeled "lunch" .
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Nom_Anor: Kid
dropkickdude: Kid
Seppel: Adult
Id_Ego: Adult
Paelin: Adult
Infinis: Adult
AlphaInsidious: Kid
Cyan: Adult
smoke_Killah: Kid
Zebi: Kid
Bolmedias: Adult
lrd: High Adult
Flew: Kid
Loran: Adult
Looks like we've finally reached a majority in favor of the softclaim, so you slowpokes claim when you get back in.
I was thinking about jsuka, and I've decided his strangely vehement opposition to the softclaim is probably town. Being scum, I think he'd be reluctant to go out that far against a softclaim, so though it's a bit wifomy,
I'm going to say it makes him likely town in my book.
Anyway, since we do have a majority in favour of the claim now....
kid.
AsianInvasion: Kid
Nom_Anor: Kid
dropkickdude: Kid
Seppel: Adult
Id_Ego: Adult
Paelin: Adult
Infinis: Adult
AlphaInsidious: Kid
Cyan: Adult
smoke_Killah: Kid
Zebi: Kid
Bolmedias: Adult
lrd: High Adult
Flew: Kid
Loran: Adult
jskura: Kid
MandersHex: Kid
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I'm going to agree, and say that you look suspicious for bringing it up like that.
I liked AlI's discussion with him on it.
Sorry, not buying this either. There is no way you read that initial post correctly, then read seppel's misinterpretation and saw that misinterpretation as a reasonable possibly. That's even sillier than your early play this game.
Using seppel's flawed read to deflect suspicion elsewhere? -That makes much more sense.
-So we wouldn't waste our time listening to 20+ players say they were male when we could be doing something more constructive. Like the claim we decided on.
If you were scum, would you be trying to mimic your former scum play?
-By making it look like you never left RVS so all your previous actions would be ignored and written off as random.
And to add to the soft claim:
AsianInvasion: Kid
Nom_Anor: Kid
dropkickdude: Kid
Seppel: Adult
Id_Ego: Adult
Paelin: Adult
Infinis: Adult
AlphaInsidious: Kid
Cyan: Adult
smoke_Killah: Kid
Zebi: Kid
Bolmedias: Adult
lrd: High Adult
Flew: Kid
Loran: Adult
jskura: Kid
MandersHex: Kid
TheFooFish: Adult
I am an Adult.
So who do you think is town?
True enough.
I know this, as well.
I disagree, and you'll see why when you read CPEs post.
I truly want to know why you asked this question.
Didn't you tell me in another game that someone refusing to take place in a soft-claim was a town tell? Since it'd be silly to draw attention to themselves?
IGMEOY
Is anyone going to review my town meta, too, or are you all going to tunnelvision me to death?
Not exactly like this, but the underlying theme is the same in all my scum games (JW, Demonata, Family), and it's not to draw attention to myself.
That's good cause I'm not selling you ☺☺☺☺.
Yeah, it is entirely possible that I did exactly what I said I did. You and Cyan need to pull your heads out of your ass and consider the possibility that I may be town and you may be tunnelvisioned.
Why the ☺☺☺☺ wouldn't I just jump on the wagon instead of saying "You may be right, but this is what I read"?
This is not WIFOM, this is ☺☺☺☺ing logic. Answer this question w/o ad hom, please.
The point in me asking that question is that the town had already decided that age would be better than gender, so you calling me out for it seems like you're just using something else to try to make me look bad.
I don't think anyone plays that differently scum-to-scum and town-to-town comparison. If so, I just haven't run into them yet.
Would that ever really work? Doubtful, and you actually believing that I would think this would work is a bit insulting to my intelligence.
/barn like I've never barned before.
This is why I didn't want the claim to happen before it was fully discussed. /B][/B][/B]
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To remove any blame for it from yourself (since you read it correctly) and place all of it on seppel (since it was his reading, not your's).
This is a blatant lie. Jskura suggested the age claim, and I was the very first person to comment on it all. No one else had even mentioned it, and certainly nothing at all had been decided.
-I don't know, you haven't been lynched yet, so maybe it's been somewhat effective.
Ok, I've said this before and I'll say it again.
I cannot remove blame for anything. If I do something and it comes up as a scummy situation, whether I put it off on someone else or not, it will always fall back onto me.
So this statement is utter bs.
It is not a blatant lie and I don't appreciate being called a liar.
I will re-read this section. I could have been mistaken. But, iirc, several people had stated that they thought age > gender before you did this.
No, Cyan Jr. What's been effective is that people who are not tunnelvisioned on me have looked at my responses and seen, yeah, that's probably the case.
Unlike you and Cyan.
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Mandershex has died. She was Kenny.
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Mafia Record:
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1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
Oh my god, there's no reveal!
And this explains why MH had been acting like she was high--she probably comes back to life(which is probably why the no reveal, rather than a complete no-reveal game).
So I might as well ask: Are those cat ears or a bow in your avatar's head?
I mean, kenny dies every episode, maybe she dies every week and comes back the next game day.
Yeah I'd bet she comes back every day as in a new episode.
Want to take the time to look at Asian. Some small things, might be nothing but want to see if the dots connect.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Well, that explains some of her odd play.
-I guess you'll have some time to re-read while you're dead, but yeah, you're definitely mistaken here.
Unvote -Time for my own re-reads.
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There was a role like this (Drawn together Mafia - Xander) previously. If it's the case, Manders needs to hint at it tomorrow. As it is, I would bet good money that Manders will be back at some point.....
Anyhow, i'm moving out of my apartment tomorrow, so i'm slightly busy right now so will be inactive till sunday.
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