Uhm, cept, DM doesnt *HAVE* a vote on me does he? No, he doesnt, he said something scummy, i attacked him for it. Its called mafia. Learn to play it.
Cept the situations aren't the same at all due to role symmetry. There's 2 (!!) of us. So, either you're claiming that there's... 2 SK's, 2 cult leaders, we're 2 mafia trying some insane gambit, something?
I'd really really like if you could explain how it is you think this would work with 2 of us? A fact i feel you've greatly overlooked.
And the fact you're trying to waste the town's lynch on me?
Answer this to me, there's 2 of us. How do you expect your theory holds with that consideration?
I thought Loran had actually voted you. That's what I was referring to. Anyway, it doesn't matter, I'm glad you responded as if it was referring to DM. The way you went out of your way to act flippant and ad-hommy really doesn't sway me away.
And furthermore, I don't see what "there is 2 of us!" has to do with anything. It actually has nothing to do with the point I'm making. You saying that really doesn't change anything. Unless that other person speaks up, you could really be lying. I mean, you always like to brag to me and I'm assuming others about how crafty a scum player you are, and how you are only average at town but are "amazing" at scum, so don't try and act like it's not something you could come up with.
Furthermore this:
And the fact you're trying to waste the town's lynch on me?
I don't think I need to explain how well this fits in with what I'm saying.
@ced: You are completely missing the point. Bilbo acted like this THE ENTIRE GAME. THIS INCLUDES AFTER THE PART WHERE HIS ROLE CHANGED. PLUS, THIS ISN'T BILBROXAIN, BUT STORMBLIND! HE'S JUST DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR. There, I think that is clear now.
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That said, you're leaning on that cult thing a little too hard, and I'm pretty sure that you may have damaged your chances of winning a little
I have. But here's my thought process. I CAN play this in a pro-town manner. I could have lied... ALOT, and gotten away with it. I Could have clamied pro-town role period.
But here's the gist, If i was forced to claim due to circumstances, i would have died. Now, I am working with the town, my enemy is fairly likely to end up either dead or having to claim by day 3 i suspect. (Smallish game, unique mechanics, ect) And when he does, you can kill him and get my role. You may ask WHY you would, and my only answer is that he isn't, and hasn't been, working with the town has he? Or he'll get vigged, or Mafia NK'd, or something. With my claim, the mafia wont care about me too much, except for trying to find out how to make me a lynch / and or vig. If i deliver on my promises, the town has no real reason to kill me. In otherwords, my choices might be more transparent, but when I work WITH The town, I have better chances of living and/or being useful.
Hell, at this rate, say i turn someone gold, and my competitor turns him magenta. I may have lost my recruit, but he hasnt really gained since i can turn him right back. Then it comes down to who lives longer.
[quiote]Hmm. What makes you think this, and why didn't you bring that up before?[/quote] This is supposition. If there's roles that go off of color targetting, there must be some that wouldn't make sense for transferance.
Example: I cannot be changed out of my golden color. I am color immutable because my role wouldnt work if i got turned silver or something. I suspect there's others like that. Either color immutables because it would hurt their roles, or something along those lines.
Yeh, but, if you're going to be giving benefits to us, we want to control those benefits. You picking from a "substantial list" and not telling us who you targeted doesn't help there.
*shrug* If you so choose. I'd feel more comfortable working off a volunteer listing. What about rather then FORCING this on people, volunteers step forward, town states which they'd like changed. lets say... 3-4 choices. (2 is just too little. Prone to mafia screwing, vindictive townies, my competitor, ect) and i make a choice within that grouping
Yeh, problem there is that the "symmetry" guy doesn't appear to be telling us about his existence. You're the one doing that.
And? Either he doesn't come forward, doesn't change anyone's colors in the hopes of me dying, or does.
If he doesnt come forward, thats that. If he doesnt change anyones colors, i get a huge advantage time wise. (so lets say i transmute 3 people by that time, I'd be fine with dying if i had a +3 advantage over him. Especially since his chances of beating me color wise are really bad. Don't get me wrong, if day 4 no ones been changed color and you've decided you dont trust me, vig away. )
If he does change colors, you know there's another of me. Meaning its unlikely im anything except what i claim.
As for leaning on the IM NOT AN SK bit, i am. Cause that's the biggest threat of what i could be. If im not an SK, but do change peoples colors, ect, and it doesnt affect people negatively, then... well... its fairly obvious its unlikely im a mafia role, unlikely im an sk, ect. But right now, me being considered a CL is the biggest threat form a uninformed townie perspective.
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Yeah, the glaring issue I'm seeing with your case is that we can't prove there is a second person, which is kind what you're riding on at this point.
Correct, you cant prove it right now. If by lets say day 3, my competitor has not been revealed, no one has claimed being changed a different color (other then golden), vig away. Unless you're going to argue that I have a power that is only good day 1 / 2, or limited shot or something, It should be okay.
But i dont think it'll come to that. Im thinking that day 3, ill have 2 gold's floating around, they'll state that I havent hurt them in any way, their roles haven't changed in anyway, and... thats that.
I also believe kpaca knows how to play mafia...
*shrug* He knows how to Kpaca mafia. Doesnt mean he can PLAY it.
Unless that other person speaks up, you could really be lying. I mean, you always like to brag to me and I'm assuming others about how crafty a scum player you are, and how you are only average at town but are "amazing" at scum, so don't try and act like it's not something you could come up with.
:rolleyes:, So, in other words, because he MAY not exist (And let me ask you a question, how stupid do you expect he'd have to be TO come forward? Look at the flak your giving me FFS, and i've basically said I'd do whatever the town wanted. Stop being thick).
And yeah, funny Part? Look at anita blake for MandersHex trying to use the EXACT same logic to get me lynched. Guess what? I was telling the truth. I rarely lie as a mafia, because I don't have to, most mafia players are terrible and have ways to get them lynched, ask almost any good scum player.
Furthermore this: I don't think I need to explain how well this fits in with what I'm saying.[/quoet] Actually, it does. If it was decided you wanted to kill me, a vig would be the best, and most townie way to do so as it doesnt waste a lynch (valuable commodity) and means the vig wont just be firing at someone suspicious. (Less useful then firing into suspicious people, but better by FAR then lynching me)
[quote]@ced: You are completely missing the point. Bilbo acted like this THE ENTIRE GAME. THIS INCLUDES AFTER THE PART WHERE HIS ROLE CHANGED. PLUS, THIS ISN'T BILBROXAIN, BUT STORMBLIND! HE'S JUST DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR. There, I think that is clear now.
... Actually, you kinda disproved your entire thing with your statement. You're right, im *NOT* Bilbroxain, I'm stormblind. Im not claiming a killing role, or a role that has unknown effects. Im claiming a role that quite clearly turns people golden, informs them of that fact, and has a competitor who would, by day 3 at the ABSOLUTE LATEST, be revealed / dead. Sorry if i see absolutely zero comparisons of merit.
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[19:59] greymon90210: Hey StormBlind how tall are you? "I'm six money *****, don't forget it"
"The Critics always said that we'd only have a black president when pigs flu"...
I am the other color changer. Neither of us are evil. I'm orange and he's gold, and we're both heralds of the same super goo god thing ( would have to read the pm to see what it's really called). We're just competing for the gods favor in accomplishing it's mission of a uniform color for goo's. We are completly neutral and our win condition is to beat the other herald. Stormblind is just trying to fear monger for an easy win, I realized my options were to get him lynched/vigged, or try and smash his fear monger while also putting myself in the same position he was in.
Your move.
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Also Stormblind I'd love for you to explain to me why you frequently have told me about how I'm above average mafia player, but when I try and get you lynched you try to hit my credibility. Sup wit dat?
I mean I suppose you could be an evil herald, but that seems unlikely considering I'm not, nor does my pm say anything that would lead me to believe you are anything but my personal rival, not something everyone has to worry about.
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Question for you is: If there's another person come forward who states he's been turned, magenta lets say, then its been made clear that there's another one of my role, meaning im not a CL. Now, lets say the people i recruit dont get a HUGE benefit, or not a readily apparent one, why would you kill me? Even if its just a MINOR benefit, why would you purposely kill me when, as you said above, Its almost impossible i'd be a cult leader, and its INCREDIBLY unlikely im mafia... meaning i'd be neutral who came forward to work with the town? *WHY* Would you advocate vigging me then?
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Something about that paragraph just does... NOT ring very townie to me. A, most likely, neutral role working with the town to provide a benefit, (regardless of size) shouldn't be rewarded with a vigging, not when the situation means that im basically confirmed to be that role.
My reasoning isn't quite as foolproof as you are implying. The thing is, I doubt that you and "Evil Color Man" are the only ones with the ability to change people's colors. You don't know what color ECM changes people to; if someone has been turned magenta N1, it doesn't necessarily mean that it was ECM that did it. Even if we told any townies with the ability to change colors to claim their usage (which would be a bad idea but let's roll with it), I wouldn't be surprised if there were a scum role with the ability that hinges around changing people's colors. In order to confirm ECM's existence, we'd need to see someone repeatedly being turned a specific color. That means waiting until at least N2, or N3 to be certain. If the benefit you give your targets is something trivial, it may not be worth waiting that long. If you it turns out that you are a cult leader, then you'd be recruiting people every night.
Also, vigilantes are not immortal. My first game was Sword of Truth mafia, where I was part of an anti-town neutral team. Long story short, we ended up claiming something very close to our true roles, and, having lost it's vig, the town decided it couldn't spare the lynches to get rid of us. The town lost despite never having mislynched, while my team won (Ask zindabad about it; he'll likely rant at you). Having neutrals you want dead + no vig = bad news. If we wait until N3 and decide we want you dead, there's the risk that either you've recruited the vig or that he's died somehow.
I am the other color changer. Neither of us are evil. I'm orange and he's gold, and we're both heralds of the same super goo god thing ( would have to read the pm to see what it's really called). We're just competing for the gods favor in accomplishing it's mission of a uniform color for goo's. We are completly neutral and our win condition is to beat the other herald. Stormblind is just trying to fear monger for an easy win, I realized my options were to get him lynched/vigged, or try and smash his fear monger while also putting myself in the same position he was in.
Your move.
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Do you have special goo enhancing effects by changin color like SB says he does?
Do you have special goo enhancing effects by changin color like SB says he does?
No, upon more in depth reading, my abilities are contrary to stormblind in that sense. I get personal abilities. So his targets getting abilities seems certainly possible. I imagine Dagger designed the roles as two neutral opposites, because also players I turn orange won't be notified. I need to go recheck and see if my color can be changed, because I was surprised when SB said that, I was planning on changing his color
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No, upon more in depth reading, my abilities are contrary to stormblind in that sense. I get personal abilities. So his targets getting abilities seems certainly possible. I imagine Dagger designed the roles as two neutral opposites, because also players I turn orange won't be notified. I need to go recheck and see if my color can be changed, because I was surprised when SB said that, I was planning on changing his color
That seems rather balanced in your favor, doesn't it? If you are equals why do you have that upper hand?
That seems rather balanced in your favor, doesn't it? If you are equals why do you have that upper hand?
I don't imagine it's an ability that allows me to get more recruitments. What is it? Vig shots? Investigations? Protects? Other? Wheel of Fortune? No idea.
I meant equals in that we are kinda like "foils" I guess would be the word. One gives power to his followers, one gets powers from his followers. It's like Jedi and Sith if you throw out the good/evil connotations.
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I imagine Dagger designed the roles as two neutral opposites, because also players I turn orange won't be notified.
That is really epically unverifiable. False-claiming this seems like something kpaca would do from what I've read/heard. I find it really hard to believe that kpaca's role would be designed this way if Stormblind's was the way he said.
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That is really epically unverifiable. False-claiming this seems like something kpaca would do from what I've read/heard. I find it really hard to believe that kpaca's role would be designed this way if Stormblind's was the way he said.
You will find I make gambits, but I am epically bad at false claiming. I either go safe or go honest.
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That is really epically unverifiable. False-claiming this seems like something kpaca would do from what I've read/heard. I find it really hard to believe that kpaca's role would be designed this way if Stormblind's was the way he said.
He might be what he says he is, its just that its unverifiable, where Stormblind's is verifiable. Something doesn't seem right about that.
On second thought, I can't think of any reason that town-kpaca or scum-kpaca would make this claim, I just don't get why his would be unverifiable when SB's is so easily verifiable.
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Wait...Suppose that kpaca was lynched or vigged today (or tonight). SB would then have essentially won, and have little reason to still be in the game; he claimed he doesn't need to be alive at the end of the game, so he just needs to turn somebody gold and he's basically already won. Same goes for kpaca if we got rid of SB today/tonight. That seems like really bad game design.
I'm not sure what that means. I need to think on this more.
Interesting... most interesting. I'm going to re-read kpaca and stormblind when I get home from school, but for now I don't think any actions should be taken against them. I could see how a scum-kpaca could call a supposed bluff from a cult-stormblind, but it seems highly unlikely. In any case, I think we know what a cop variant should do.
Well, appears daggers paying attention. Just got a role pm update, players will no longer be informed when they turn gold. Merely that they WILL be golden.
Huzzah edit.
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[19:59] greymon90210: Hey StormBlind how tall are you? "I'm six money *****, don't forget it"
"The Critics always said that we'd only have a black president when pigs flu"...
Well, appears daggers paying attention. Just got a role pm update, players will no longer be informed when they turn gold. Merely that they WILL be golden.
Talore, how many games have you played? Unvote in anticipation of answer.
The cop is not going to investigate either StormBlind or kpaca because they are both clearly neutral. If by Day Three no one's colors are changing we can kill them both. Otherwise I wouldn't waste a lynch or vig shot on them.
Well I'm just going to go ahead and appeal to the town here. If you guys are going to choose one of us to win, I would just like to say that I'm the guy who actually told the whole truth. There is no evil villain and we're both completely neutral.
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Well. I am playing the game. And want to win, and if kpaca or SB win the game than I may not win the game too.
Can you two guys confirm that if you manage to get more people of your color the game won't end?
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Hi, I have decided that my role calls for me coming out almost immediately.
I have decided that perhaps my role could be best served by working with the town to advance myself, and the town.
I am a color changer, each night, i may change someone into a GOLDEN GOO! This is part of my win condition. There is another player out there who seeks to turn players into NON-Golden Goo. He is evil. (Atleast, my role PM calls him evil) I am from a Cosmic Goo Entity, he is from an evil cosmic goo entity.
Why did i come forth? I have reason to believe some powers are goo color related. As in, by changing some players colors, i could change their role powers / Gold-a-fy them. I would also, for offering this service, request being allowed to target neutrals and volunteers.
For Clarification: My win condition is to have more golden goo in the game at the end of the game then my competitor who seeks to out number me. If i die, my goospring will survive, and will count towards my win condition at the end of the game.
Reasoning for coming forward: I have a service to offer, and the town has no reason to not want it. (As the first post made it abundantly clear that there's powers that go off goo colors) And in exchange, I'm simply asking for volunteers to assist me.
Thank You.
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There is no evil villain and we're both completely neutral.
I never said you were an evil villain. Just that my flavor states that I am a vessel for a cosmic entity, and there's another cosmic entity vessel in the game, and that this vessel is evil.
That's the flavor I've received, and it definitely doesn't state we worship the same guy.
My question is, why can't we both win?
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[19:59] greymon90210: Hey StormBlind how tall are you? "I'm six money *****, don't forget it"
"The Critics always said that we'd only have a black president when pigs flu"...
Talore, how many games have you played? Unvote in anticipation of answer.
The cop is not going to investigate either StormBlind or kpaca because they are both clearly neutral. If by Day Three no one's colors are changing we can kill them both. Otherwise I wouldn't waste a lynch or vig shot on them.
I've finished one (Basic #20), played partly through another (Basic #21, had to replace out though), and I've been following a couple other games.
Well, appears daggers paying attention. Just got a role pm update, players will no longer be informed when they turn gold. Merely that they WILL be golden.
Huzzah edit.
This pretty much confirms the two, as others have stated, so yeah, /barn AI.
Zinds just sour because I've had the last laugh and the one before that too. BUT the way he said it comes across as hoping he could subtly start a wagon but fall back on "its random". Definitely not worth a vote but someone to watch because Zind is VERY manipulative. FOS
It suggests that after my death, my golden goo could try to further my mission.
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Well, appears daggers paying attention. Just got a role pm update, players will no longer be informed when they turn gold. Merely that they WILL be golden.
How can they further your mission when earlier you stated they will not be informed?
Volunteers, thetown can group them and direct SB and now Kpaca to target from that group. Whenever one comes up dead we'll have some info.
Who brought up SB targeting players that have a better chance at getting lynched? i.e. scummy players. Ced was it you? I don't know if that is a wise idea with the possibility of powering them up or whatever weird thing might happen. Why not have them tell us who they targeted?
How can they further your mission when earlier you stated they will not be informed?
How am i supposed to know? It doesnt say anything about it. It might have something to do with the powers i grant, or maybe my cosmic entity moves on after i die. I dont know -_-;
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[19:59] greymon90210: Hey StormBlind how tall are you? "I'm six money *****, don't forget it"
"The Critics always said that we'd only have a black president when pigs flu"...
Rahl, Kpaca: Clarification please.....do you actually change the color of the other players? Or do they just become "golden" in addition to their original color. Cuz the fact that players aren't informed becomes extremely dangerous and swingy if their actual color changes.
If you do change actual colors, both of you need to claim whose color you changed each day.
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Stormblind, I don't recall if you said or not and I'm not checking now, but are you claiming to be "town" or are you claiming "neutral" like kpaca just did?
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I thought Loran had actually voted you. That's what I was referring to. Anyway, it doesn't matter, I'm glad you responded as if it was referring to DM. The way you went out of your way to act flippant and ad-hommy really doesn't sway me away.
And furthermore, I don't see what "there is 2 of us!" has to do with anything. It actually has nothing to do with the point I'm making. You saying that really doesn't change anything. Unless that other person speaks up, you could really be lying. I mean, you always like to brag to me and I'm assuming others about how crafty a scum player you are, and how you are only average at town but are "amazing" at scum, so don't try and act like it's not something you could come up with.
Furthermore this: I don't think I need to explain how well this fits in with what I'm saying.
@ced: You are completely missing the point. Bilbo acted like this THE ENTIRE GAME. THIS INCLUDES AFTER THE PART WHERE HIS ROLE CHANGED. PLUS, THIS ISN'T BILBROXAIN, BUT STORMBLIND! HE'S JUST DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR. There, I think that is clear now.
But here's the gist, If i was forced to claim due to circumstances, i would have died. Now, I am working with the town, my enemy is fairly likely to end up either dead or having to claim by day 3 i suspect. (Smallish game, unique mechanics, ect) And when he does, you can kill him and get my role. You may ask WHY you would, and my only answer is that he isn't, and hasn't been, working with the town has he? Or he'll get vigged, or Mafia NK'd, or something. With my claim, the mafia wont care about me too much, except for trying to find out how to make me a lynch / and or vig. If i deliver on my promises, the town has no real reason to kill me. In otherwords, my choices might be more transparent, but when I work WITH The town, I have better chances of living and/or being useful.
Hell, at this rate, say i turn someone gold, and my competitor turns him magenta. I may have lost my recruit, but he hasnt really gained since i can turn him right back. Then it comes down to who lives longer.
[quiote]Hmm. What makes you think this, and why didn't you bring that up before?[/quote] This is supposition. If there's roles that go off of color targetting, there must be some that wouldn't make sense for transferance.
Example: I cannot be changed out of my golden color. I am color immutable because my role wouldnt work if i got turned silver or something. I suspect there's others like that. Either color immutables because it would hurt their roles, or something along those lines.
*shrug* If you so choose. I'd feel more comfortable working off a volunteer listing. What about rather then FORCING this on people, volunteers step forward, town states which they'd like changed. lets say... 3-4 choices. (2 is just too little. Prone to mafia screwing, vindictive townies, my competitor, ect) and i make a choice within that grouping
And? Either he doesn't come forward, doesn't change anyone's colors in the hopes of me dying, or does.
If he doesnt come forward, thats that. If he doesnt change anyones colors, i get a huge advantage time wise. (so lets say i transmute 3 people by that time, I'd be fine with dying if i had a +3 advantage over him. Especially since his chances of beating me color wise are really bad. Don't get me wrong, if day 4 no ones been changed color and you've decided you dont trust me, vig away. )
If he does change colors, you know there's another of me. Meaning its unlikely im anything except what i claim.
As for leaning on the IM NOT AN SK bit, i am. Cause that's the biggest threat of what i could be. If im not an SK, but do change peoples colors, ect, and it doesnt affect people negatively, then... well... its fairly obvious its unlikely im a mafia role, unlikely im an sk, ect. But right now, me being considered a CL is the biggest threat form a uninformed townie perspective. I have. But here's my thought process. I CAN play this in a pro-town manner. I could have lied... ALOT, and gotten away with it. I Could have clamied pro-town role period.
I'm town
I'm town
I'm town
I'm town
I'm town
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No thanks.
Or not.
But i dont think it'll come to that. Im thinking that day 3, ill have 2 gold's floating around, they'll state that I havent hurt them in any way, their roles haven't changed in anyway, and... thats that.
*shrug* He knows how to Kpaca mafia. Doesnt mean he can PLAY it.
:rolleyes:, So, in other words, because he MAY not exist (And let me ask you a question, how stupid do you expect he'd have to be TO come forward? Look at the flak your giving me FFS, and i've basically said I'd do whatever the town wanted. Stop being thick).
And yeah, funny Part? Look at anita blake for MandersHex trying to use the EXACT same logic to get me lynched. Guess what? I was telling the truth. I rarely lie as a mafia, because I don't have to, most mafia players are terrible and have ways to get them lynched, ask almost any good scum player.
... Actually, you kinda disproved your entire thing with your statement. You're right, im *NOT* Bilbroxain, I'm stormblind. Im not claiming a killing role, or a role that has unknown effects. Im claiming a role that quite clearly turns people golden, informs them of that fact, and has a competitor who would, by day 3 at the ABSOLUTE LATEST, be revealed / dead. Sorry if i see absolutely zero comparisons of merit. Correct, you cant prove it right now. If by lets say day 3, my competitor has not been revealed, no one has claimed being changed a different color (other then golden), vig away. Unless you're going to argue that I have a power that is only good day 1 / 2, or limited shot or something, It should be okay.
Why?
I really don't think it would have an impact on the game. Why are you two so quick to say no?
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Your move.
I mean I suppose you could be an evil herald, but that seems unlikely considering I'm not, nor does my pm say anything that would lead me to believe you are anything but my personal rival, not something everyone has to worry about.
My reasoning isn't quite as foolproof as you are implying. The thing is, I doubt that you and "Evil Color Man" are the only ones with the ability to change people's colors. You don't know what color ECM changes people to; if someone has been turned magenta N1, it doesn't necessarily mean that it was ECM that did it. Even if we told any townies with the ability to change colors to claim their usage (which would be a bad idea but let's roll with it), I wouldn't be surprised if there were a scum role with the ability that hinges around changing people's colors. In order to confirm ECM's existence, we'd need to see someone repeatedly being turned a specific color. That means waiting until at least N2, or N3 to be certain. If the benefit you give your targets is something trivial, it may not be worth waiting that long. If you it turns out that you are a cult leader, then you'd be recruiting people every night.
Also, vigilantes are not immortal. My first game was Sword of Truth mafia, where I was part of an anti-town neutral team. Long story short, we ended up claiming something very close to our true roles, and, having lost it's vig, the town decided it couldn't spare the lynches to get rid of us. The town lost despite never having mislynched, while my team won (Ask zindabad about it; he'll likely rant at you). Having neutrals you want dead + no vig = bad news. If we wait until N3 and decide we want you dead, there's the risk that either you've recruited the vig or that he's died somehow.
Wow. That was a lot of words.
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(great goo in the sky)
Do you have special goo enhancing effects by changin color like SB says he does?
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Color clearly has a mechanical role in this game and there is no reason to reveal this information.
Do you believe kpaca's claim?
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No, upon more in depth reading, my abilities are contrary to stormblind in that sense. I get personal abilities. So his targets getting abilities seems certainly possible. I imagine Dagger designed the roles as two neutral opposites, because also players I turn orange won't be notified. I need to go recheck and see if my color can be changed, because I was surprised when SB said that, I was planning on changing his color
That's do you believe kpaca's claim that they are completely equal?
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Also my role pm specifically mentions that me and stormblind are in a race.
That seems rather balanced in your favor, doesn't it? If you are equals why do you have that upper hand?
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I don't imagine it's an ability that allows me to get more recruitments. What is it? Vig shots? Investigations? Protects? Other? Wheel of Fortune? No idea.
I meant equals in that we are kinda like "foils" I guess would be the word. One gives power to his followers, one gets powers from his followers. It's like Jedi and Sith if you throw out the good/evil connotations.
So SB please claim what abilities do you gain when you get goo goldified.
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That is really epically unverifiable. False-claiming this seems like something kpaca would do from what I've read/heard. I find it really hard to believe that kpaca's role would be designed this way if Stormblind's was the way he said.
EDH:
:symb::symb: Marrow-Gnawer :symb::symb: - :symw::symu: Grand Arbiter Augustin IV :symw::symu: - :symb::symb: Toshiro Umezawa :symb::symb: - :symg::symg: Sachi, Daughter of Seshiro :symg::symg:
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You will find I make gambits, but I am epically bad at false claiming. I either go safe or go honest.
What do you think kpaca actually is then?
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That's a good question
He might be what he says he is, its just that its unverifiable, where Stormblind's is verifiable. Something doesn't seem right about that.
On second thought, I can't think of any reason that town-kpaca or scum-kpaca would make this claim, I just don't get why his would be unverifiable when SB's is so easily verifiable.
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:symb::symb: Marrow-Gnawer :symb::symb: - :symw::symu: Grand Arbiter Augustin IV :symw::symu: - :symb::symb: Toshiro Umezawa :symb::symb: - :symg::symg: Sachi, Daughter of Seshiro :symg::symg:
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I'm not sure what that means. I need to think on this more.
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This. If anyone is one of those to begin with, we have to assume that SB or kpaca, whichever applies, is lying.
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:symb::symb: Marrow-Gnawer :symb::symb: - :symw::symu: Grand Arbiter Augustin IV :symw::symu: - :symb::symb: Toshiro Umezawa :symb::symb: - :symg::symg: Sachi, Daughter of Seshiro :symg::symg:
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Huzzah edit.
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Can you ask him what happens if one of you dies?
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pretty much
You do realize the point is to win, not to make other people lose right?
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Vezok... start playing this game... instead of whatever you're doing.
Unvote in anticipation of answer.
The cop is not going to investigate either StormBlind or kpaca because they are both clearly neutral. If by Day Three no one's colors are changing we can kill them both. Otherwise I wouldn't waste a lynch or vig shot on them.
Can you two guys confirm that if you manage to get more people of your color the game won't end?
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I never said you were an evil villain. Just that my flavor states that I am a vessel for a cosmic entity, and there's another cosmic entity vessel in the game, and that this vessel is evil.
That's the flavor I've received, and it definitely doesn't state we worship the same guy.
My question is, why can't we both win?
You should race to the end.
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I've finished one (Basic #20), played partly through another (Basic #21, had to replace out though), and I've been following a couple other games.
This pretty much confirms the two, as others have stated, so yeah, /barn AI.
Inherently you both cannot win because you're both supposed to beat the other one.
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It suggests that after my death, my golden goo could try to further my mission.
The flavor i have is that im essentially a messianic Goo from the COSMIC ENTITY IN THE SKY.
It states that my rival is from a Chaotic and evil Cosmic Entity.
I am a vessel, i basically shelter the cosmic goo within me, and at the same time, im his messenger.
I have the ability, as well as color permanance, to be fully aware at all times about how many golden goo's there are in the game.
Right now, there is exactly 1 golden goo. Myself. I time stamp this as of right now.
Zinds just sour because I've had the last laugh and the one before that too. BUT the way he said it comes across as hoping he could subtly start a wagon but fall back on "its random". Definitely not worth a vote but someone to watch because Zind is VERY manipulative. FOS
Volunteers, the town can group them and direct SB and now Kpaca to target from that group. Whenever one comes up dead we'll have some info.
Yes it sounded like that.
This
How can they further your mission when earlier you stated they will not be informed?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Who brought up SB targeting players that have a better chance at getting lynched? i.e. scummy players. Ced was it you? I don't know if that is a wise idea with the possibility of powering them up or whatever weird thing might happen. Why not have them tell us who they targeted?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
How am i supposed to know? It doesnt say anything about it. It might have something to do with the powers i grant, or maybe my cosmic entity moves on after i die. I dont know -_-;
If you do change actual colors, both of you need to claim whose color you changed each day.
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