WoD's post isn't particularly indicative of his helping the hunt for knowledge is it...I suppose then that both of them are pretty bad attempts at scum hunting. However, there is one key difference between DKD and WoD, WoD doesn't vote. WoD's post seems like he wants to hear more before he casts the stone so to speak. Neither of them is being particularly helpful as it stands though.
My first impression about Arc is that this business with Sep either outing himself easily as scum, vs not dieing is mostly pointless in my opinion as either he had a faulty memory (Which I see as most probable) or he is trying to deflect attention away from a scumbuddy, which only becomes relevant if both of them are scum. So, I think that this point against him is mostly trivial.
I really do not like the Random vote and then later FOS, and would think a lot less of it without the unvote like 2 posts later. It seems as though he wanted to focus suspicion without getting his name involved when people check the votecounts. Even though I do not like it, I am not convinced he is scum.
I really do not like WwaB however, he seems to be mostly ignoring the situation at hand and attacking one player.
So WwaB, you think that adding your own vote to increase pressure is worse than expressing your opinion that you want pressure but refraining from voting?
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I don't know if nom is town or scum. But I'd like to point out this type of behavior is his standard modus operandi.
Court Mafia: Day 1, hatch plan to KILL EVERYONE ELSE IN A SINGLE NIGHT, when the plan only allows him to hit 11 random players, ATTEMPTS TO FIRE ANYHOW (Roleblocked).
In other words....Nom is an impulsive player who doesn't think about planning long-term or listening to others. I wouldn't be surprised if he was town. At all.
How does that post 'reek'? What part or parts are you referring to? And how can an emoticon 'feel forced'?
"It was a self conscious post, marked by clear intent to appease Axelrod while at the same time trying to appear resolute. The emoticon was icing on the cake."
Can someone who was in that gam (I.e. Sep or arcadic probably) please provide me with links to any relevent passages.
"It was a massacre. Arcadic had poor reads on just about everyone. I have grave doubts that he truly could read Sepiriel. His judgment of Sepiriel is based upon completed games, where the truth is illuminated. When the waters are murky, Arcadic's vision clouds as well."
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
WoD's post isn't particularly indicative of his helping the hunt for knowledge is it...I suppose then that both of them are pretty bad attempts at scum hunting. However, there is one key difference between DKD and WoD, WoD doesn't vote. WoD's post seems like he wants to hear more before he casts the stone so to speak. Neither of them is being particularly helpful as it stands though.
I can't disagree more with this.
I don't see there being anything wrong with adding a pressure vote. It was the second vote on dkd. Some vote pressure is good to show seriousness from the rest of the players. WoD's fly by 2 liner is nothing but filler. If this isn't what I expect out of WoD, I'd be more aggressive towards him.
@Lrd: Don't like me for asking questions. Anyone can ask questions, especially the obvious ones.
@Magwald: Not only is the smarmy, better than thou French-museum-director-like attitude worthy, I find your whole post completely ironic considering your response to Infinis. If you're a regular here, whoever you are, you do yourself a disservice by posting like this.
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Hmm, I think I need to look at Rax's game. Can someone who was in that gam (I.e. Sep or arcadic probably) please provide me with links to any relevent passages.
Although in all honesty it would be best to start reading a few pages back from the first link i gave, gives a broader picture.
hmmmm i need a votecount right now because if Arcadic is truly voting me right now how can he justify said vote when he already claimed to be able to read me and be currently reading me as town? (Dagger's last vote count has him as voting me, and i dont see an unvote after that).
Also since apparently i was the victim of a joke unvote.
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I most definitely want to hear from arc but dkd's post lacks any sort of...sincerity. It's a blatant barn, but not enough to really make him look insanely scummy at this stage in the game. I'd like to see how his voting patterns occur throughout this game.
It was intended to be a blatant barn. I didn't have anything to add, so I didn't pretend to. I said what I meant to say, and followed up with a vote. What was said was enough to warrant some pressure this early on Day 1, so pressure was added. I'm not the kind of player who sums up why he's voting if the reasons are already out there, I'm not going to pretend I thought them if I didn't.
hmmmm i need a votecount right now because if Arcadic is truly voting me right now how can he justify said vote when he already claimed to be able to read me and be currently reading me as town? (Dagger's last vote count has him as voting me, and i dont see an unvote after that).
My sincerest apologies.
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Arcadic (3) - Axelrod, dropkickdude, desCoures
Ecophagy (1) - RobRoy
desCoures (1) - Wrath of DoG
AlphaInsidious (1) - creampuffeater
Wolf with a Bass (1) - TheFooFish
atlseal (1) - AlphaInsidious
I'm not prolific early game. But my opinion was asked for vis a vis Sep vs Eco.
It's null. That' my opinion. They could be scum who hatched a plan to start distancing day 1. Sep plays the aggressor and Eco plays the laid back (but concerned) townie who laughs off misguided aggression. Or they could both be town and the exchange stands for itself.
As for the two other combo's hard to tell this early and requires stretching a little more than I like Day 1
What I didnt like was the not so subtle "You've ruined the trap we were laying" post from somebody in regards to arcadic, kqc i believe, but ill look later when not so tired.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
To all those who asked: the vote on Ecophagy was mostly gut. I didn't have time to reread then, so I just fired the vote out to check for a reaction. I was expecting one from Eco, though, not from a third of the thread.
On reread, it still feels to me like Sepiriel was explaining his position and his jokes, while Ecophagy was defending his. Nothing else I can really point to. His comments about Sepiriel later on show that he is following up and contributing, though, so while that exchange still reads a little off to me, I will unvote for now.
So, i know Sepiriel. Sure, i was wrong about him in #26 and believed his claim in Annie's game, but i now know how to read him. This game looks exactly like the start of Basic 28, which is why he looks town.
I need to do some digging on the players pushing on me.
This feels both arrogant and natural. I haven't played with Arcadic before that I can remember, but unless he was overly humble in his previous games I'm willing to believe that he actually does think he can read Sepiriel now. The bit about checking out the people attacking him is also in line with this.
@Magwald: why are you quoting everything at us? Can you tell me if this is a post restriction or a playstyle choice?
I really do not like WwaB however, he seems to be mostly ignoring the situation at hand and attacking one player.
So WwaB, you think that adding your own vote to increase pressure is worse than expressing your opinion that you want pressure but refraining from voting?
If I do not feel that the vote is appropriate than I will not vote. I also disagree entirely with your assertation that I am ignoring the situation entirely. It is currently a delicate situation which figures on setting a line in the sand on those that are against arc/those that are for arc. However, I do not agree with arc at this point either. His insistence on spending time pulling up and trying to read a meta-game into other players instead of dealing with the situation at hand and answering the questions presented before him is ever perplexing. At this point I have no clear reads on anyway so I will not be pushing for a definitive action until someone is clearly scummy in my mind. I mostly pointed out what I wanted to because having reference points always helps me think clearly and figure things out better, I would like to think that I'm not the only person here who thinks like that :P.
I don't see there being anything wrong with adding a pressure vote. It was the second vote on dkd. Some vote pressure is good to show seriousness from the rest of the players. WoD's fly by 2 liner is nothing but filler. If this isn't what I expect out of WoD, I'd be more aggressive towards him.
IMO you are destroying your own ability to work effectively later on. Every game is different, if you constantly spend time reading into your expectations, then you are creating a game of bias. It is this bias that will hinder your attempts at finding scum. I try to treat every game as a completely new experience. So all things considered, let's agree to disagree. I think there is something off in DKD voting but WoD not voting. My thoughts are why is the barn enough for one player, but the other does not. It doesn't quite add up. One looks like a bandwagon, the other looks like a fence sitter (maybe? I'm not sure if I use that phrase correctly). I suppose we will find the answers to these questions as time goes forward.
It was intended to be a blatant barn. I didn't have anything to add, so I didn't pretend to. I said what I meant to say, and followed up with a vote. What was said was enough to warrant some pressure this early on Day 1, so pressure was added. I'm not the kind of player who sums up why he's voting if the reasons are already out there, I'm not going to pretend I thought them if I didn't.
Fair enough, I can deal with that. So you are efficient is what you are saying. In that case, what do you think of the current polarization of the town?
This feels both arrogant and natural. I haven't played with Arcadic before that I can remember, but unless he was overly humble in his previous games I'm willing to believe that he actually does think he can read Sepiriel now. The bit about checking out the people attacking him is also in line with this.
You've never played with me.
I know i can read Sepiriel now. Yes, this is slightly arrogant. The whole reason i bought his claim in Annie's game was because he wasn't being his normal self. And i don't want to constantly refer to why we never actually lynched Sepiriel; but honestly the town simply got to dependent on Cop results and as such forgot to look at behavior.
First, how does the situation in Annorax's game of Sepiriel dodging a lynch one day due to a flailing townie and then managing to not be lynched the rest of the game equate to "He'll give himself up as scum if he is scum, however." In the example you're presenting, he never did reveal himself as scum, when he was scum, until the endgame. I don't see a correlation there.
Just because someone isn't lynched as scum doesn't make the reads from that game invalid. I now know why my Sep read was off.
Second, and this is a two parter, but, 2a, why do you need to "go digging" on those who are pushing you? And 2b, regardless of what the reason is, why would you mention it?
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I was simply telling the game my intentions after i got back to a normal work week. Why wouldn't i look into it?
Bookeeping:
So these are the people who vocalized wanting to hear my reasoning.
LRD
Eco
TFF
Axelrod
Vampyr
Magwald
DKD
Rafealk
WODOG (or WoD)
jskura
desCoures
WwaB
Here are those who posted between my posts without any commentary on myself.
creampuff
Infinis
Those who placed votes were DKD, descoures and Axelrod. Of those, the worst offenders were descoures and Axel for their lack of content surrounding their posts. What is most interesting is this post here, as pointed out by Vampyr
[quote=Wolf with a Bass;/comments/10712838]After a quick skim, I very clearly dislike this particular post by dropkickdude. For now I don't have much as I've been in and out of a drunken stupor the last few days.
Basically: re: barning attempt by ddk is terrible, imo.
There's more interaction but the key part to me is that there are 2 votes on me at this point, but he singles out DKD, not Axelrod. So WwaB, what about Axel's post here is any better than what DKD had posted?
So arc - you say that you've read Sep wrong in 2/3 games you've played together, and yet you still claim to be able to read him easily? Also I'm pretty sure Sep's playstyle will be changing a fair bit as he learns the game etc.
Hmm, I think I need to look at Rax's game. Can someone who was in that gam (I.e. Sep or arcadic probably) please provide me with links to any relevent passages.
I'm quite liking Vampyr now - although I'm not lliking WWaB at all. One thing to add to what CPE said to wolf, which is what part of WoD's post says to you that he wanted to hear more before voting? In fact also to Wolf, what do you think of Arcadic? (in decent detail please)
1. I'm sure this public assault on his playstyle will make him think.
2. The biggest thing you have to remember about Annie's game was the town's willingness to flail. Again, beating a dead horse, but the town past day 2 was horrible.
Long post is long. If i missed your question, let me know.
You've never played with me.
I know i can read Sepiriel now. Yes, this is slightly arrogant. The whole reason i bought his claim in Annie's game was because he wasn't being his normal self. And i don't want to constantly refer to why we never actually lynched Sepiriel; but honestly the town simply got to dependent on Cop results and as such forgot to look at behavior.
Just because someone isn't lynched as scum doesn't make the reads from that game invalid. I now know why my Sep read was off.
I'm personally cool with your reasoning, and I think it certainly possible that you just slipped/"misremembered" in describing Sep's game history.
However, I don't think you can say you "now know why my Sep read was off" and then make the jump to being confident in your ability to read Sepiriel definitively. Doing that is completely discounting Sepiriel's ability to adapt his playstyle in the wake of a very good scum performance. I wouldn't follow that up with a carbon copy...
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1. I'm sure this public assault on his playstyle will make him think.
2. The biggest thing you have to remember about Annie's game was the town's willingness to flail. Again, beating a dead horse, but the town past day 2 was horrible.
1. If you really can read me you should be able to tell what a public assault on my playstyle would accomplish :p.
2. Regardless, you where part of the town, you lasted longer than day 2, you cannot just simply state the only reason i pulled it off was because the town was horrible, because you where part of said town.
@dC: I would like to hear your reasoning behind both the insinuation i am scum and the idea i am Arcadic's scumbuddy.
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That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with strange eons even death may die.
Fair enough, I can deal with that. So you are efficient is what you are saying. In that case, what do you think of the current polarization of the town?
I don't get what you mean by efficient. Arc's posts had some inconsistencies, I applied pressure (actual pressure via a vote as opposed to figurative pressure by just saying something) in an attempt to get a response. That response would either satisfy me (leading me to unvote) or not (leading me to leave it). I think the "current polarization" is due to differing opinions as to the strength of the tell.
I'm inclined to believe for the time being that Arcadic is just overconfident as a personality thing and does believe he could detect a scum Sep, although it does seem like he is playing up that arrogance after it was suggested (is he normally like this, Arcadic I mean?). It doesn't entirely fit with what he said before (which was to say Sep is obvious scum, not that he Arcadic personally could read Sep as scum) and nor is Arcadic being legit sure he could read Sep as scum actually in conflict with Arcadic protecting a scum Sep! To put it another way, the inconsistency that suggested Arcadic was insincere has been addressed, but not addressed so forcefully I'm interested in lynhing Arcadic today (not without more, anyway). Watch list.
I move apartments on the 5th of January. Once that's done with I expect to be able to focus on this a little more.
Stupid phone posting. Lose half-sentences sometimes. Meant to say that Arcadic has addressed the inconsistency but not addressed it so forcefully to get rid of my suspicion completely, however I'm not currently interested in lynching him today etc etc
To all those who asked: the vote on Ecophagy was mostly gut. I didn't have time to reread then, so I just fired the vote out to check for a reaction. I was expecting one from Eco, though, not from a third of the thread.
You had enough time to note that there was "Interesting stuff going on here", but not enough to read 50 posts? Not buying it.
@Magwald: why are you quoting everything at us? Can you tell me if this is a post restriction or a playstyle choice?
“I am a man with access to all the world has to offer. Therefore I choose to embrace the finer aspects of life, whether they are fine speech or fine dress. Surely you’ve noticed I’ve been smoking Cuban cigars, which are unobtainable in this region. Everything has a price. To that extent, I’ll repay your curiosity with an answer: I am playing out my role. What I say or do is entirely of my own volition, I am not bound by any type of restriction outside of the stated rules."
“Wolf with a Bass’s long explanations combined with my positive read on him early on are leading me to believe he is town. In doing a reread I noticed that RobRoy had singled out this desCoures post, and rightly so, as it smacks of opportunism. There was slight pressure on both Arcadic and Sepiriel, so DesCoures quickly tied them together. It should be noted that DesCourses unvoted Sepiriel, someone he said was potentially scum, in order to vote another person he saw as scum. I don’t believe the convictions in his vote or his comment were strong at all. I intend to pursue this.”
God I feel like I'm playing a game of phoenix wright here with arc.
His vote seems to be out of time with the rest of the game when read over again. His comment after his vote sounds to me like it is sort of still a lingering RVS vote. All things considered his follow up post about feeling useless seems even more...interesting. Why is Axel still voting you if he feels useless at this point? Thanks for pointing this out to me, its hard playing mafia when I've spent the last week getting drunk consistently. I can't even play wow properly. Lol. Thankfully I go back to work Wednesday so that'll be good for my liver.
So, there's this thing which I'm calling Townies trying to sound Townie that gets lots of players in trouble. I know I have latched onto offhand remarks in the past and become convinced they were scum tells because they just didn't sound like something someone who was "Town" would say.
Here, I don't think Arc's remark that "Sep will give himself away if he's scum" based on his prior experiences with Sep is a really defensible one. Arc simply can't know that, his history doesn't support it, and trying to claim it so confidently is just wrong. So on one level, it sounds like something a scum could easily say, as a throwaway type remark - just trying to sound townie - which is why it gets attention.
On the other hand, as I've learned, sometimes Townies just say things I don't understand. They say them because they want to sound smart. They say them because they want to sound like they're paying attention to the game. They say them because they think they ought to be saying something.
I can, in fact, see how Arc could give a toss off one-liner opinion about Sep. as Town which didn't have a great basis in reality. And though the statement can't really be defended, I kind of like the way Arc is defending it, with a certain amount of bravado, and not immediately backing down obsequiously.
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He could still be scum, but I'm giving him a pass on that statement for now.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
So, there's this thing which I'm calling Townies trying to sound Townie that gets lots of players in trouble. I know I have latched onto offhand remarks in the past and become convinced they were scum tells because they just didn't sound like something someone who was "Town" would say.
Here, I don't think Arc's remark that "Sep will give himself away if he's scum" based on his prior experiences with Sep is a really defensible one. Arc simply can't know that, his history doesn't support it, and trying to claim it so confidently is just wrong. So on one level, it sounds like something a scum could easily say, as a throwaway type remark - just trying to sound townie - which is why it gets attention.
On the other hand, as I've learned, sometimes Townies just say things I don't understand. They say them because they want to sound smart. They say them because they want to sound like they're paying attention to the game. They say them because they think they ought to be saying something.
I can, in fact, see how Arc could give a toss off one-liner opinion about Sep. as Town which didn't have a great basis in reality. And though the statement can't really be defended, I kind of like the way Arc is defending it, with a certain amount of bravado, and not immediately backing down obsequiously.
Unvote
He could still be scum, but I'm giving him a pass on that statement for now.
That's a lot of words for pretty much very little... also you fall victim of the very thing you say gets players in trouble, "sounding townie".
Vote Axel
Because in all honesty if you still truly believe he could be scum why would you give him a pass at all???
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That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with strange eons even death may die.
That's a lot of words for pretty much very little... also you fall victim of the very thing you say gets players in trouble, "sounding townie".
Vote Axel
But, why simply "unvote" when I can explain my thought processes in excruciating detail and give a little Mafia life lessen at the same time? It's so much more satisfying.
Also, if you think I am "falling victim" to the very thing I am describing, then you have completely missed the point - as I am describing a phenomena in which people post suspiciously, but are, in fact, Town.
Do you think I sounded Townie in that post?
Or do you think I was just trying to sound Townie?
Because in all honesty if you still truly believe he could be scum why would you give him a pass at all???
Because, in all honesty, it's neutral. So I have no more reason to be voting him. I am "giving him a pass" on the single statement he made which was what drew attention to him in the first place. I am hardly giving him a pass on being scum.
Nice qualifier btw. You may be unaware, it's one of my favorite scum tells.
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Thanks for that.
Incidentally, this is a scum tell also.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
But, why simply "unvote" when I can explain my thought processes in excruciating detail and give a little Mafia life lessen at the same time? It's so much more satisfying.
Also, if you think I am "falling victim" to the very thing I am describing, then you have completely missed the point - as I am describing a phenomena in which people post suspiciously, but are, in fact, Town.
Do you think I sounded Townie in that post?
Or do you think I was just trying to sound Townie?
How so?
Because, in all honesty, it's neutral. So I have no more reason to be voting him. I am "giving him a pass" on the single statement he made which was what drew attention to him in the first place. I am hardly giving him a pass on being scum.
Nice qualifier btw. You may be unaware, it's one of my favorite scum tells.
But, why simply "unvote" when I can explain my thought processes in excruciating detail and give a little Mafia life lessen at the same time? It's so much more satisfying.
Also, if you think I am "falling victim" to the very thing I am describing, then you have completely missed the point - as I am describing a phenomena in which people post suspiciously, but are, in fact, Town.
Do you think I sounded Townie in that post?
Or do you think I was just trying to sound Townie?
How so?
Given the amount of deflection and word twisting you are doing i am inclined to believe you are trying to sound townie, specially because you are writing so much but actually conveying so little, that to me is a scum tell.
Because, in all honesty, it's neutral. So I have no more reason to be voting him. I am "giving him a pass" on the single statement he made which was what drew attention to him in the first place. I am hardly giving him a pass on being scum.
Untrue, you are unvoting, you stated he could still be scum, that implies you still hold suspicions/reservation hence you still hold reason to keep a vote on him, but instead of continuing pressure on him you have relinquished by unvoting.
Nice qualifier btw. You may be unaware, it's one of my favorite scum tells.
Interesting, so the fact you used it right now should be taken as a scum tell from you i take it? (incidentally are we talking about scum tells you use or what you consider scum other than you to use as scum tells?)
Incidentally, this is a scum tell also.
That's a lie and you know it, it's no more a scum tell than coaching is in a basic, we all have real life and there will be times when real life will make us be less active in this game, given i had recently had so much free time and had been posting so much to suddenly see me disappear for what can amount to a full day at times without any reason given i believe would be a disservice to the rest of the players in this game.
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Call me old fashioned, but an evil ascension to power just isn't the same without someone chanting faux Latin in the background.
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That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with strange eons even death may die.
Untrue, you are unvoting, you stated he could still be scum, that implies you still hold suspicions/reservation hence you still hold reason to keep a vote on him, but instead of continuing pressure on him you have relinquished by unvoting.
You can't vote and pressure everyone, and basically anyone could be scum at this point. -Axel was pretty clear on what he was saying here, so this seems like you might be intentionally missing the point to make him look bad.
Given the amount of deflection and word twisting you are doing i am inclined to believe you are trying to sound townie, specially because you are writing so much but actually conveying so little, that to me is a scum tell.
I don't agree with any of this. He's written plenty, there is no deflection, no word twisting. His post was concise, eloquent, and plainly written.
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Untrue, you are unvoting, you stated he could still be scum, that implies you still hold suspicions/reservation hence you still hold reason to keep a vote on him, but instead of continuing pressure on him you have relinquished by unvoting.
Any player in this game 'could be scum'. By that logic, we should all be voting every other player. The way his post read to me is that he no longer considers his initial vote to be completely justified, so he unvoted, but will be keeping his eye on arcadic.
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Interesting, so the fact you used it right now should be taken as a scum tell from you i take it? (incidentally are we talking about scum tells you use or what you consider scum other than you to use as scum tells?)
I think it's quite clear he was using it to support his point, which is certainly valid.
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That's a lie and you know it, it's no more a scum tell than coaching is in a basic, we all have real life and there will be times when real life will make us be less active in this game, given i had recently had so much free time and had been posting so much to suddenly see me disappear for what can amount to a full day at times without any reason given i believe would be a disservice to the rest of the players in this game.
Now im really late, need to go ill see you all later today.
Most players will just post less if real life interferes, with maybe a "sorry rl is interfering" post if it gets out of hand. Sure, it's not the most concrete point (not as good as his earlier one, imo) but the fact that you felt the need to pre-emptively explain posting less is suspect.
Interesting, so the fact you used it right now should be taken as a scum tell from you i take it? (incidentally are we talking about scum tells you use or what you consider scum other than you to use as scum tells?.
"This question is a trap. It's a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' question."
Now im really late, need to go ill see you all later today.
"It is not any of our faults that answering Axelrod's post made you late. Why even mention it?"
"Your post does not hold up at all. It leads me to believe that your exchange with Ecophagy in the beginning of the game might have actually been a hasty wagon attempt instead of just a simple misunderstanding."
Man, I have such a blind spot when it comes to people agreeing with me. Like, how can I possibly be suspicious of them when they are so obviously correct and virtuous.
I'm still watching everyone. Beware.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
@Dagger: Any particular reason you have bolded the amount of votes on Arcadic both times?
The only thing I can see about Seps play, is that is seems vastly different than it did when I was on a scum team in Annorax's game, in which Sep should have been lynched (but I was obviously glad wasnt). I might end up needing to read a town game on Sep to figure out the differences
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Man, I have such a blind spot when it comes to people agreeing with me.
Always a personal favorite scum strategy of mine, and perhaps because of that one I like to hunt for. If "honestly" is DYH's favorite scum tell, sucking up may be mine.
Why are you warning possible scum off like that, though? I mean, what was the purpose of your post, exactly?
The i made in the part you where responding should make this quite clear.
You can't vote and pressure everyone, and basically anyone could be scum at this point. -Axel was pretty clear on what he was saying here, so this seems like you might be intentionally missing the point to make him look bad.
No he wasn't, the whole point is he still considers Arc to be possible scum but is ok with just letting it go for now.
Did you miss the italics? (Hint: he was mimicking you)
No I did not miss the italics, that however does not mean he is not meaning it by trying to pass it as humor.
I don't agree with any of this. He's written plenty, there is no deflection, no word twisting. His post was concise, eloquent, and plainly written.
Stephanie Meyer is the epitome of 'plainly written', Axel is the equivalent of Ed Greenwood so no he has been anything but concise or plain in his writing.
Any player in this game 'could be scum'. By that logic, we should all be voting every other player. The way his post read to me is that he no longer considers his initial vote to be completely justified, so he unvoted, but will be keeping his eye on arcadic.
Cute copy paste of TFF, just look up since i already covered that bit.
I think it's quite clear he was using it to support his point, which is certainly valid.
So what he considers to be a scum tell (for which we dont know if he meant his own or others i may add) is now a valid point even though he used said scum tell himself? (the irony is that he gets away with it because of the mimicry guise).
Most players will just post less if real life interferes, with maybe a "sorry rl is interfering" post if it gets out of hand. Sure, it's not the most concrete point (not as good as his earlier one, imo) but the fact that you felt the need to pre-emptively explain posting less is suspect.
Check all my other games i always do this, i find it more rude to know your time wont be as available and just keep it to yourself until someone wonders or mod prods you, at least this way mods can be aware in advance and players also.
"This question is a trap. It's a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' question."
It's no more a catch 22 than your statement is.
"It is not any of our faults that answering Axelrod's post made you late. Why even mention it?"
Have i said it is your fault? have i complained to you all how it is your fault i got late or some other calamity revolving my class? no! so why are you making it sound like im trying to blame you for that? I mention it because thats what i always do when im rushing for time while posting.
"Your post does not hold up at all. It leads me to believe that your exchange with Ecophagy in the beginning of the game might have actually been a hasty wagon attempt instead of just a simple misunderstanding."
You only quoted two parts of my post, two parts that where in completely different subjects and then proclaim my post does not hold up, the only thing not holding up right now is your reasoning im afraid.
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I don't agree with any of this. He's written plenty, there is no deflection, no word twisting. His post was concise, eloquent, and plainly written.Any player in this game 'could be scum'. By that logic, we should all be voting every other player. The way his post read to me is that he no longer considers his initial vote to be completely justified, so he unvoted, but will be keeping his eye on arcadic.I think it's quite clear he was using it to support his point, which is certainly valid.Most players will just post less if real life interferes, with maybe a "sorry rl is interfering" post if it gets out of hand. Sure, it's not the most concrete point (not as good as his earlier one, imo) but the fact that you felt the need to pre-emptively explain posting less is suspect.
I totally support pressure on Sepiriel.
Vote Sepiriel.
I don't like the tone of this post. I'm not sure what it is; if anyone can read it and tell me why I don't like it, I would be very grateful. It might be the way the attacks are phrased or something; Axelrod's complaints sounded legit, but WoD's just aren't ringing true to me.
Also, I think Seperiel has been quite earnest and expressive. Pretty much town as I see it. Arcadic has been the opposite, but I also think he's town, simply from the calm, thoughtful response.
I don't know if nom is town or scum. But I'd like to point out this type of behavior is his standard modus operandi.
Court Mafia: Day 1, hatch plan to KILL EVERYONE ELSE IN A SINGLE NIGHT, when the plan only allows him to hit 11 random players, ATTEMPTS TO FIRE ANYHOW (Roleblocked).
In other words....Nom is an impulsive player who doesn't think about planning long-term or listening to others. I wouldn't be surprised if he was town. At all.
Gotta love how the scum team jumped on defense mode
Who's on the "team" Sep? Is it Me, WoD, TFF, and Magwald? Is that what you are suggesting?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
No he wasn't, the whole point is he still considers Arc to be possible scum but is ok with just letting it go for now.
Hmm... let's try this: would you mind telling me who you think couldn't possibly be scum?
BTW: You'll get bonus points on this question if the list is 14-16 players long.
Hmm... let's try this: would you mind telling me who you think couldn't possibly be scum?
I know of only one person who cant possibly be scum and thats me because my pm clearly states im town, regardless that is not the point and you know it, the point isnt how many people can possibly be (or by the same token cant possibly be scum) but rather that he still feels Arcadic is a good candidate for scum, yet he is willing to give him a free pass and even unvote him.
BTW: You'll get bonus points on this question if the list is 14-16 players long.
Cute, sadly the list i can give is only one name long, you however im sure know better (interesting to note you made a 14-16 division)
That's just not how that tell works. It's a subconscious thing. -If he's doing it intentionally, it's completely meaningless.
Not unless the tell is him making a habit of intentionally making use of humor in order to disguise admissions.
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Sep is being much more aggressive here than he was in Powerful Wizard, and for terrible reasoning. He's misread and intentionally twisted both Eco's and Axel's posts, and when confronted by numerous people telling him how wrong he is afterwards, he refuses to back off. He's also being self aware and pre-excusing a lack of participation.
Argh, yesterday was a day to forget. Cat using bedspread for a litter box AND ceiling leaking in the bathroom because of stupid upstairs neighbors.
Anyways, I've done a quick look over with what's been posted since I was gone. I'm not sold on Sepiriel being anything more than misguided town.
What does interest me is the last post by DKD. Everything you list as a reason to vote him was present two days ago. Why suddenly do you move your vote to him now? Not only that, but you say "[Sepiriel] is much more aggressive here than in Powerful..." Wasn't he scum and laid back in Powerful Mafia, as per pointed out by Eco? So if we are to believe that Sepiriel can be meta'd, you're voting him for reasons that would suggest him being town?
This stinks of opportunism. Vote: dropkickdude.
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Wasn't he scum and laid back in Powerful Mafia, as per pointed out by Eco? So if we are to believe that Sepiriel can be meta'd, you're voting him for reasons that would suggest him being town?
Nope, I was talking about Annorax's bastard mafia. I didn't mention Powerful Wizard because it was in progress and Sep replaced in (and therefore wasn't involved in the RVS).
I agree that Sep is probably just being crazy, and not actually scum.
Nope, I was talking about Annorax's bastard mafia. I didn't mention Powerful Wizard because it was in progress and Sep replaced in (and therefore wasn't involved in the RVS).
I agree that Sep is probably just being crazy, and not actually scum.
Whoops. Guess I got my games mixed up.
Unvote: dropkickdue then. Though I still feel his vote reasons are poor for previously stated reasons.
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Sep. what I am currently having trouble believing is that you genuinely believe that I might have committed some kind of a "tell" by parroting back to you your use of the word "honestly". How could you actually believe that?
Also, that you genuinely don't understand why I unvoted Arcadic even as I said he could still be scum. How could you not actually understand this?
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the point [is] that he still feels Arcadic is a good candidate for scum, yet he is willing to give him a free pass and even unvote him.
it is so gross a mischaracterization of what I said and did that I have trouble seeing how it could be your actual opinion. It would require you to be truly dense or simply not paying any attention at all.
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I really do not like the Random vote and then later FOS, and would think a lot less of it without the unvote like 2 posts later. It seems as though he wanted to focus suspicion without getting his name involved when people check the votecounts. Even though I do not like it, I am not convinced he is scum.
I really do not like WwaB however, he seems to be mostly ignoring the situation at hand and attacking one player.
So WwaB, you think that adding your own vote to increase pressure is worse than expressing your opinion that you want pressure but refraining from voting?
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“Your recent posts have given me a faint amount of confidence in you. Indeed there is time for decisions and revisions. Unvote.”
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I can't disagree more with this.
I don't see there being anything wrong with adding a pressure vote. It was the second vote on dkd. Some vote pressure is good to show seriousness from the rest of the players. WoD's fly by 2 liner is nothing but filler. If this isn't what I expect out of WoD, I'd be more aggressive towards him.
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The moment i claimed in Annorax's game.
When my claim got suspected, my defense, my following botching and asspulling of the claim.
Although in all honesty it would be best to start reading a few pages back from the first link i gave, gives a broader picture.
hmmmm i need a votecount right now because if Arcadic is truly voting me right now how can he justify said vote when he already claimed to be able to read me and be currently reading me as town? (Dagger's last vote count has him as voting me, and i dont see an unvote after that).
Also since apparently i was the victim of a joke unvote.
It was intended to be a blatant barn. I didn't have anything to add, so I didn't pretend to. I said what I meant to say, and followed up with a vote. What was said was enough to warrant some pressure this early on Day 1, so pressure was added. I'm not the kind of player who sums up why he's voting if the reasons are already out there, I'm not going to pretend I thought them if I didn't.
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Arcadic (3) - Axelrod, dropkickdude, desCoures
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It's null. That' my opinion. They could be scum who hatched a plan to start distancing day 1. Sep plays the aggressor and Eco plays the laid back (but concerned) townie who laughs off misguided aggression. Or they could both be town and the exchange stands for itself.
As for the two other combo's hard to tell this early and requires stretching a little more than I like Day 1
What I didnt like was the not so subtle "You've ruined the trap we were laying" post from somebody in regards to arcadic, kqc i believe, but ill look later when not so tired.
12-11? I'm losing track
On reread, it still feels to me like Sepiriel was explaining his position and his jokes, while Ecophagy was defending his. Nothing else I can really point to. His comments about Sepiriel later on show that he is following up and contributing, though, so while that exchange still reads a little off to me, I will unvote for now.
This feels a little premature.
This feels both arrogant and natural. I haven't played with Arcadic before that I can remember, but unless he was overly humble in his previous games I'm willing to believe that he actually does think he can read Sepiriel now. The bit about checking out the people attacking him is also in line with this.
@Magwald: why are you quoting everything at us? Can you tell me if this is a post restriction or a playstyle choice?
If I do not feel that the vote is appropriate than I will not vote. I also disagree entirely with your assertation that I am ignoring the situation entirely. It is currently a delicate situation which figures on setting a line in the sand on those that are against arc/those that are for arc. However, I do not agree with arc at this point either. His insistence on spending time pulling up and trying to read a meta-game into other players instead of dealing with the situation at hand and answering the questions presented before him is ever perplexing. At this point I have no clear reads on anyway so I will not be pushing for a definitive action until someone is clearly scummy in my mind. I mostly pointed out what I wanted to because having reference points always helps me think clearly and figure things out better, I would like to think that I'm not the only person here who thinks like that :P.
IMO you are destroying your own ability to work effectively later on. Every game is different, if you constantly spend time reading into your expectations, then you are creating a game of bias. It is this bias that will hinder your attempts at finding scum. I try to treat every game as a completely new experience. So all things considered, let's agree to disagree. I think there is something off in DKD voting but WoD not voting. My thoughts are why is the barn enough for one player, but the other does not. It doesn't quite add up. One looks like a bandwagon, the other looks like a fence sitter (maybe? I'm not sure if I use that phrase correctly). I suppose we will find the answers to these questions as time goes forward.
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Fair enough, I can deal with that. So you are efficient is what you are saying. In that case, what do you think of the current polarization of the town?
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You've never played with me.
I know i can read Sepiriel now. Yes, this is slightly arrogant. The whole reason i bought his claim in Annie's game was because he wasn't being his normal self. And i don't want to constantly refer to why we never actually lynched Sepiriel; but honestly the town simply got to dependent on Cop results and as such forgot to look at behavior.
Just because someone isn't lynched as scum doesn't make the reads from that game invalid. I now know why my Sep read was off.
There's more interaction but the key part to me is that there are 2 votes on me at this point, but he singles out DKD, not Axelrod. So WwaB, what about Axel's post here is any better than what DKD had posted?
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1. I'm sure this public assault on his playstyle will make him think.
2. The biggest thing you have to remember about Annie's game was the town's willingness to flail. Again, beating a dead horse, but the town past day 2 was horrible.
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I'm personally cool with your reasoning, and I think it certainly possible that you just slipped/"misremembered" in describing Sep's game history.
However, I don't think you can say you "now know why my Sep read was off" and then make the jump to being confident in your ability to read Sepiriel definitively. Doing that is completely discounting Sepiriel's ability to adapt his playstyle in the wake of a very good scum performance. I wouldn't follow that up with a carbon copy...
1. If you really can read me you should be able to tell what a public assault on my playstyle would accomplish :p.
2. Regardless, you where part of the town, you lasted longer than day 2, you cannot just simply state the only reason i pulled it off was because the town was horrible, because you where part of said town.
@dC: I would like to hear your reasoning behind both the insinuation i am scum and the idea i am Arcadic's scumbuddy.
I don't get what you mean by efficient. Arc's posts had some inconsistencies, I applied pressure (actual pressure via a vote as opposed to figurative pressure by just saying something) in an attempt to get a response. That response would either satisfy me (leading me to unvote) or not (leading me to leave it). I think the "current polarization" is due to differing opinions as to the strength of the tell.
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I move apartments on the 5th of January. Once that's done with I expect to be able to focus on this a little more.
However, Arc, you still haven't properly addressed the whole random vote/real FoS issue. My most recent question about it was in #79.
You had enough time to note that there was "Interesting stuff going on here", but not enough to read 50 posts? Not buying it.
D'awww. Does someone need a hug?
In other news, I like WWaB for town.
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His vote seems to be out of time with the rest of the game when read over again. His comment after his vote sounds to me like it is sort of still a lingering RVS vote. All things considered his follow up post about feeling useless seems even more...interesting. Why is Axel still voting you if he feels useless at this point? Thanks for pointing this out to me, its hard playing mafia when I've spent the last week getting drunk consistently. I can't even play wow properly. Lol. Thankfully I go back to work Wednesday so that'll be good for my liver.
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I'm still interested in that as well.
-I'm happy with the rest of arc's responses here, but his explanation of that issue still confuses me.
Unvote WwaB
Here, I don't think Arc's remark that "Sep will give himself away if he's scum" based on his prior experiences with Sep is a really defensible one. Arc simply can't know that, his history doesn't support it, and trying to claim it so confidently is just wrong. So on one level, it sounds like something a scum could easily say, as a throwaway type remark - just trying to sound townie - which is why it gets attention.
On the other hand, as I've learned, sometimes Townies just say things I don't understand. They say them because they want to sound smart. They say them because they want to sound like they're paying attention to the game. They say them because they think they ought to be saying something.
I can, in fact, see how Arc could give a toss off one-liner opinion about Sep. as Town which didn't have a great basis in reality. And though the statement can't really be defended, I kind of like the way Arc is defending it, with a certain amount of bravado, and not immediately backing down obsequiously.
Unvote
He could still be scum, but I'm giving him a pass on that statement for now.
That's a lot of words for pretty much very little... also you fall victim of the very thing you say gets players in trouble, "sounding townie".
Vote Axel
Because in all honesty if you still truly believe he could be scum why would you give him a pass at all???
College resumes today, and my class is in about 2:30 hrs (reminds me i gotta prepare the spanish class i help teach...), just letting you guys know in case the thread suddenly explodes with activity.
But, why simply "unvote" when I can explain my thought processes in excruciating detail and give a little Mafia life lessen at the same time? It's so much more satisfying.
Also, if you think I am "falling victim" to the very thing I am describing, then you have completely missed the point - as I am describing a phenomena in which people post suspiciously, but are, in fact, Town.
Do you think I sounded Townie in that post?
Or do you think I was just trying to sound Townie?
How so?
Because, in all honesty, it's neutral. So I have no more reason to be voting him. I am "giving him a pass" on the single statement he made which was what drew attention to him in the first place. I am hardly giving him a pass on being scum.
Nice qualifier btw. You may be unaware, it's one of my favorite scum tells.
Thanks for that.
Incidentally, this is a scum tell also.
I love this post so much.
Unvote.
I eagerly await Sepiriel's response.
Untrue, you are unvoting, you stated he could still be scum, that implies you still hold suspicions/reservation hence you still hold reason to keep a vote on him, but instead of continuing pressure on him you have relinquished by unvoting.
Interesting, so the fact you used it right now should be taken as a scum tell from you i take it? (incidentally are we talking about scum tells you use or what you consider scum other than you to use as scum tells?)
That's a lie and you know it, it's no more a scum tell than coaching is in a basic, we all have real life and there will be times when real life will make us be less active in this game, given i had recently had so much free time and had been posting so much to suddenly see me disappear for what can amount to a full day at times without any reason given i believe would be a disservice to the rest of the players in this game.
Now im really late, need to go ill see you all later today.
-Could you point these out?
You can't vote and pressure everyone, and basically anyone could be scum at this point. -Axel was pretty clear on what he was saying here, so this seems like you might be intentionally missing the point to make him look bad.
Did you miss the italics? (Hint: he was mimicking you)
Vote: Sepiriel while I can.
That second part I quoted can't be serious.
I totally support pressure on Sepiriel.
Vote Sepiriel.
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The only thing I can see about Seps play, is that is seems vastly different than it did when I was on a scum team in Annorax's game, in which Sep should have been lynched (but I was obviously glad wasnt). I might end up needing to read a town game on Sep to figure out the differences
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Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
Always a personal favorite scum strategy of mine, and perhaps because of that one I like to hunt for. If "honestly" is DYH's favorite scum tell, sucking up may be mine.
Why are you warning possible scum off like that, though? I mean, what was the purpose of your post, exactly?
The i made in the part you where responding should make this quite clear.
No he wasn't, the whole point is he still considers Arc to be possible scum but is ok with just letting it go for now.
No I did not miss the italics, that however does not mean he is not meaning it by trying to pass it as humor.
Stephanie Meyer is the epitome of 'plainly written', Axel is the equivalent of Ed Greenwood so no he has been anything but concise or plain in his writing.
Cute copy paste of TFF, just look up since i already covered that bit.
So what he considers to be a scum tell (for which we dont know if he meant his own or others i may add) is now a valid point even though he used said scum tell himself? (the irony is that he gets away with it because of the mimicry guise).
Check all my other games i always do this, i find it more rude to know your time wont be as available and just keep it to yourself until someone wonders or mod prods you, at least this way mods can be aware in advance and players also.
It's no more a catch 22 than your statement is.
Have i said it is your fault? have i complained to you all how it is your fault i got late or some other calamity revolving my class? no! so why are you making it sound like im trying to blame you for that? I mention it because thats what i always do when im rushing for time while posting.
You only quoted two parts of my post, two parts that where in completely different subjects and then proclaim my post does not hold up, the only thing not holding up right now is your reasoning im afraid.
I don't like the tone of this post. I'm not sure what it is; if anyone can read it and tell me why I don't like it, I would be very grateful. It might be the way the attacks are phrased or something; Axelrod's complaints sounded legit, but WoD's just aren't ringing true to me.
Also, I think Seperiel has been quite earnest and expressive. Pretty much town as I see it. Arcadic has been the opposite, but I also think he's town, simply from the calm, thoughtful response.
Who's on the "team" Sep? Is it Me, WoD, TFF, and Magwald? Is that what you are suggesting?
It wasn't. -Because I'm not seeing any of it.
Please, quote the specific problems you see from his post and explain exactly what you don't like.
Hmm... let's try this: would you mind telling me who you think couldn't possibly be scum?
BTW: You'll get bonus points on this question if the list is 14-16 players long.
That's just not how that tell works. It's a subconscious thing. -If he's doing it intentionally, it's completely meaningless.
Cute, sadly the list i can give is only one name long, you however im sure know better (interesting to note you made a 14-16 division)
Not unless the tell is him making a habit of intentionally making use of humor in order to disguise admissions.
Unvote: Arc
Vote: Sepiriel
Modern
WBR Mardu Midrange
UR Storm
Commander
WBR Queen Marchesa Stax
WUB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic Pillowfort
RRR Krenko, Mob Boss Chaos
Anyways, I've done a quick look over with what's been posted since I was gone. I'm not sold on Sepiriel being anything more than misguided town.
What does interest me is the last post by DKD. Everything you list as a reason to vote him was present two days ago. Why suddenly do you move your vote to him now? Not only that, but you say "[Sepiriel] is much more aggressive here than in Powerful..." Wasn't he scum and laid back in Powerful Mafia, as per pointed out by Eco? So if we are to believe that Sepiriel can be meta'd, you're voting him for reasons that would suggest him being town?
This stinks of opportunism. Vote: dropkickdude.
PM me if you have any to trade or sell.
Games finished:17
Games ongoing:1
Town/Mafia/Other - 13/2/2
Won/Lost/replaced/modkilled- 4/13/3/1
NK'ed(vig'ed)/Lynched/Endgamed(Survived) - 7(2)/5/5(1)
Matrix Mafia Town MVP
Medieval Mafia Mafia MVP
Ye have enemies? Good, good - it means ye've stood up for something, sometime in thy life. - Elminster of Shadowdale
Nope, I was talking about Annorax's bastard mafia. I didn't mention Powerful Wizard because it was in progress and Sep replaced in (and therefore wasn't involved in the RVS).
I agree that Sep is probably just being crazy, and not actually scum.
Whoops. Guess I got my games mixed up.
Unvote: dropkickdue then. Though I still feel his vote reasons are poor for previously stated reasons.
PM me if you have any to trade or sell.
Games finished:17
Games ongoing:1
Town/Mafia/Other - 13/2/2
Won/Lost/replaced/modkilled- 4/13/3/1
NK'ed(vig'ed)/Lynched/Endgamed(Survived) - 7(2)/5/5(1)
Matrix Mafia Town MVP
Medieval Mafia Mafia MVP
Ye have enemies? Good, good - it means ye've stood up for something, sometime in thy life. - Elminster of Shadowdale
Modern
WBR Mardu Midrange
UR Storm
Commander
WBR Queen Marchesa Stax
WUB Oloro, Ageless Ascetic Pillowfort
RRR Krenko, Mob Boss Chaos
Also, that you genuinely don't understand why I unvoted Arcadic even as I said he could still be scum. How could you not actually understand this?
And when you say
it is so gross a mischaracterization of what I said and did that I have trouble seeing how it could be your actual opinion. It would require you to be truly dense or simply not paying any attention at all.