I imagine your thoughts involve my delay to point out ZDS's post, and then dropping it completely for a more favorable target when it presented itself.
I imagine your thoughts involve my delay to point out ZDS's post, and then dropping it completely for a more favorable target when it presented itself.
What, are you pointing out your own scumtells now?
I imagine your thoughts involve my delay to point out ZDS's post, and then dropping it completely for a more favorable target when it presented itself.
Fair enough, though I don't get how pictures adds to it.
When I was posting pictures and whatever else I didn't read the thread. Since no one was really posting and I was bored I read through everyones posts in more detail, which is when I noticed ZDS's comments on AE. When AE responded with a "above criticism" add on to what I said, I didn't particulairly like the reaction. ZDS brushed aside what I had said and stood solid in his intention to push for AE, so I felt joining AE would give me better analysis on both (the intention being let ZDS pressure AE and see what both had to say). I also felt saying nothing or pressing ZDS for a clear answer he's not going to give (as scum or town) would result in an extension of the pseudo-RVS; one person does not a wagon make.
I simply left my post completely blank to hide my intentions, and hoped I wouldn't get called out on the appearence.
Fair enough, though I don't get how pictures adds to it.
When I was posting pictures and whatever else I didn't read the thread. Since no one was really posting and I was bored I read through everyones posts in more detail, which is when I noticed ZDS's comments on AE. When AE responded with a "above criticism" add on to what I said, I didn't particulairly like the reaction. ZDS brushed aside what I had said and stood solid in his intention to push for AE, so I felt joining AE would give me better analysis on both (the intention being let ZDS pressure AE and see what both had to say). I also felt saying nothing or pressing ZDS for a clear answer he's not going to give (as scum or town) would result in an extension of the pseudo-RVS; one person does not a wagon make.
I simply left my post completely blank to hide my intentions, and hoped I wouldn't get called out on the appearence.
Okay...regardless, Poggy, what's your excuse on the blind vote?
When I was posting pictures and whatever else I didn't read the thread. Since no one was really posting and I was bored I read through everyones posts in more detail, which is when I noticed ZDS's comments on AE. When AE responded with a "above criticism" add on to what I said, I didn't particulairly like the reaction. ZDS brushed aside what I had said and stood solid in his intention to push for AE, so I felt joining AE would give me better analysis on both (the intention being let ZDS pressure AE and see what both had to say). I also felt saying nothing or pressing ZDS for a clear answer he's not going to give (as scum or town) would result in an extension of the pseudo-RVS; one person does not a wagon make.
A very unsatisfying answer as this sounds contrived. For it to be true, you would have had to give up this entire reasoning, and more specifically your intentions to use your vote on Archmage Eternal to analyze him and ZDS better, in order to defend yourself from a lone unelaborated vote. More likely that this is after the fact justification.
First part is simply a read. At this point it is little more than a gut based on having played with him before.
The second part is because of how he plays in general. He frequently makes odd or illogical plays (for instance, claiming cop in his first post of the game) that are simply better off being ignored.
I don't like this AE wagon. I think it is pretty clear he wasn't being as "serious" as everyone has stated and I don't see anything that constitutes him being scum.
AE is overreacting and OMGUS-IGMEOYing. Also, he either has no sense of humour or is aiming for deadpan humour but can't quite pull it off correctly. Clearly he's the scummiest player so far.
On the other hand I am intrigued by ZDS. His vote of AE is just bad. And his reasoning and calling AE overreacting is just awful. ZDS was just looking for any excuse to jump on AE here.
A very unsatisfying answer as this sounds contrived. For it to be true, you would have had to give up this entire reasoning, and more specifically your intentions to use your vote on Archmage Eternal to analyze him and ZDS better, in order to defend yourself from a lone unelaborated vote. More likely that this is after the fact justification.
So in order for this to be true I would have to act that way I did, therefore it's not true?
Emo_Pinata when making his vote: "I should add a little bit of extra pressure to Archmage Eternal in order to better read Archmage Eternal and ZDS."
Also adding "one person does not a wagon make."
Emo_Pinata, about 4 hours later, without anything further from Archmage Eternal or ZDS: "You know that vote I made in order to better read these two people? I'm going to explain it was simply a pressure vote (although I won't actually unvote) before it fulfills any of its stated purpose. I don't actually need to get a better read on ZDS and Archmage Eternal after all."
Note also, this was in response to a one-person wagon.
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This does not follow.
Whatever purpose you supposedly had in making your vote in the first place was sacrificed immediately in order to defend yourself from a vote. This is why I doubt you actually had this reasoning in the first place. I feel if you did, you would be a lot more hesitant to explain your vote away - it still had value for its original purpose.
If I took it too seriously then I would have placed a vote.
Do you feel that you were not taking Poggy too seriously? Were you taking him seriously at all? While answering, please make specific reference to posts #20 and #22
On EP: For making a vote which was designed to test reactions (and, indeed, deliberately leaving a vote on AE for strategic reasons), he very easily gave up this information - he totally volunteered it. This highlights a lack of conviction in actually following through and gathering information from the vote - which incidentally still stands, despite being rendered totally useless.
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Okay...regardless, Poggy, what's your excuse on the blind vote?
What do you think of EP's response? (expand on "Okay...")
Kindly elaborate on your usage of the word "excuse" as opposed to a less accusatory word, such as "reason".
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I think it is pretty clear he wasn't being as "serious" as everyone has stated
Why is it clear AE wasn't being serious?
Kindly justify using the word "everyone" when only ZDS has realistically said so.
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On the other hand I am intrigued by ZDS. His vote of AE is just bad. And his reasoning and calling AE overreacting is just awful. ZDS was just looking for any excuse to jump on AE here.
What's with the excessive hyperbole here? Why do you think ZDS as scum is so bloodthirsty as to make such a weak (in your eyes) vote? Explain exactly why his reasoning is awful.
Emo_Pinata when making his vote: "I should add a little bit of extra pressure to Archmage Eternal in order to better read Archmage Eternal and ZDS."
Also adding "one person does not a wagon make."
Emo_Pinata, about 4 hours later, without anything further from Archmage Eternal or ZDS: "You know that vote I made in order to better read these two people? I'm going to explain it was simply a pressure vote (although I won't actually unvote) before it fulfills any of its stated purpose. I don't actually need to get a better read on ZDS and Archmage Eternal after all."
Note also, this was in response to a one-person wagon.
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This does not follow.
Whatever purpose you supposedly had in making your vote in the first place was sacrificed immediately in order to defend yourself from a vote. This is why I doubt you actually had this reasoning in the first place. I feel if you did, you would be a lot more hesitant to explain your vote away - it still had value for its original purpose.
I'm happy to barn the Ruthless Corsair on this one, see where it goes.
What's with the excessive hyperbole here? Why do you think ZDS as scum is so bloodthirsty as to make such a weak (in your eyes) vote? Explain exactly why his reasoning is awful.
I am using way too many hyperboles? But this is how I always talk... err... type.
His reasoning is awful because he is basing his entire case on the notion that AE is taking Poggy too seriously. Even if AE was I fail to see how that makes him scummy. Also he calls out AE for IGMEOYing (which as I will state again the IGMEOY was completely justified) him and also seems to imply that AE's sense of humor/reactions make him scummy. So as I will say again his entire case is awful.
As for why ZDS would be so bloodthirsty as scum. I don't know. Maybe he was looking for a quick wagon. But if you reverse the question, it doesn't make sense for him to be so bloodthirsty as town either. So in that vein I can only look at his actions and his case and everything about it points to scum.
Emo_Pinata when making his vote: "I should add a little bit of extra pressure to Archmage Eternal in order to better read Archmage Eternal and ZDS."
Also adding "one person does not a wagon make."
Emo_Pinata, about 4 hours later, without anything further from Archmage Eternal or ZDS: "You know that vote I made in order to better read these two people? I'm going to explain it was simply a pressure vote (although I won't actually unvote) before it fulfills any of its stated purpose. I don't actually need to get a better read on ZDS and Archmage Eternal after all."
Note also, this was in response to a one-person wagon.
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This does not follow.
Whatever purpose you supposedly had in making your vote in the first place was sacrificed immediately in order to defend yourself from a vote. This is why I doubt you actually had this reasoning in the first place. I feel if you did, you would be a lot more hesitant to explain your vote away - it still had value for its original purpose.
You're really blowing things out of proportion here.
It was pretty clear that the AE wagon was not going anywhere by the time I posted why I voted. Any pressure AE would have felt by a couple of quick votes disappears by an equal number of people speaking out against the wagon. That is why I don't mind admitting what I was thinking. Just look at my motivation to tell you. Do you really think that I could just stall and then dump the same reasoning in my own defense? That makes less sense than admitting it up front, and I'm certainly not a player people let say "I have reasons I don't want to post yet". I obviously knew how I might come across, but I felt it was still worth pursuing - which is also a silly perspective as scum.
Also, ZDS and AE both have a clear outs by turning attention towards the AE wagon, especially since AE never voted and ZDS said "the scummiest so far" in his reasoning. Any potential gain between the two was already lost.
What do you think of EP's response? (expand on "Okay...")
It's hard for me to do so since it's already been picked apart, but for the most part, I'd be barning what was already said by him and others. I always tend to look at a blind vote as one designed to elicit a response, since a good player knows it serves no purpose other than to garner attention, and will assume that other players will realize it's a poor way to make an honest vote as a result. Basically, it's a bit of an attention misdirection, and it's chuck-full of WIFOM; this one in particular kind of came out of nowhere to begin with, so I had no doubt an EP post-mortem was coming. I had no confidence it was a serious vote.
Kindly elaborate on your usage of the word "excuse" as opposed to a less accusatory word, such as "reason".
I deliberately chose the word for what should be clear reasons. Poggy plays a little off-the-cuff, and was only posts before interacting with AE in a somewhat positive and unconnected light. Since I assumed that Emo's vote was BS, I also assumed Poggy's was, and just wanted to hear how he would justify it.
If I am asking you then it means its not obvious to me. So please enlighten me.
+1, poggy.
I see that AE is guilty of coming out of the gates too hard and that he's garnered ZDS' attention, but that's it. Hell, you're the only one who's basically claimed scum so far.
Plus, with you clowning on him and ZDS attacking him full-on early game...in my experience with you two, that's basically as strong of a town tell as you can get.
Whatever purpose you supposedly had in making your vote in the first place was sacrificed immediately in order to defend yourself from a vote. This is why I doubt you actually had this reasoning in the first place. I feel if you did, you would be a lot more hesitant to explain your vote away - it still had value for its original purpose.
Do you feel that you were not taking Poggy too seriously? Were you taking him seriously at all? While answering, please make specific reference to posts #20 and #22
I was not taking Poggys claim seriously. In #20 I believe he mentioned Vez on purpose. #22 I see him pressing the matter. He sees pressing Vez as an easy claim. What LP said about Poggy is the norm which is pretty disheartening. he is ignored.He just says things for the sake of saying them however scummy it comes across and typically gets a by for it as that is how he plays.
My thoughts:
- poggy is poggy. While this is the first game I've played with him, reading other threads suggests that this is his meta.
- Interested in seeing what vezok will tell us later.
- AE is providing good reasoning. However:
- ZDS' posts are unconvincing and he seems strangely convinced for such an early push with so little evidence. While EP has provided at least some kind of defense, ZDS hasn't given anything useful.
vote ZeDorkSlipeur. His posts are less convincing to me than EP's.
This coming from the guy who first quoted ZDS? Is your memory that short or are you trying too hard to defend him?
I don't get it. So what if he quoted ZDS? He didn't vote him he said the quote was contradicting. Then later puts the vote on me.... Yeah I'm happy with my vote.
About? Vez claiming? I never like early soft claims or random claims being thrown out.
I was not taking Poggys claim seriously. In #20 I believe he mentioned Vez on purpose. #22 I see him pressing the matter. He sees pressing Vez as an easy claim. What LP said about Poggy is the norm which is pretty disheartening. he is ignored.He just says things for the sake of saying them however scummy it comes across and typically gets a by for it as that is how he plays.
So you were worried about Vezok claiming because Poggy suggested he would? Despite the fact that you admit that poggy says things for the sake of saying them (implying that he might not have been genuinely pushing for Vezok to claim) and - indeed - that Poggy is generally ignored: so why would Vezok react and claim?
It's hard for me to do so since it's already been picked apart, but for the most part, I'd be barning what was already said by him and others. I always tend to look at a blind vote as one designed to elicit a response, since a good player knows it serves no purpose other than to garner attention, and will assume that other players will realize it's a poor way to make an honest vote as a result. Basically, it's a bit of an attention misdirection, and it's chuck-full of WIFOM; this one in particular kind of came out of nowhere to begin with, so I had no doubt an EP post-mortem was coming. I had no confidence it was a serious vote.
To clarify - you feel that anytime someone votes without presenting a reason, it is solely to guage reactions, and not intended to indicate a desire to lynch? If this is the case, how is such a vote ever useful, given it's clear intentions?
None of what you said there has been mentioned by others, so why did you add a disclaimer about barning?
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I deliberately chose the word for what should be clear reasons. Poggy plays a little off-the-cuff, and was only posts before interacting with AE in a somewhat positive and unconnected light. Since I assumed that Emo's vote was BS, I also assumed Poggy's was, and just wanted to hear how he would justify it.
I presume here that your "clear reasons" are that you suspect Poggy of being scum?
From my point above about naked votes, have you not already explained the motive behind Poggy's vote?
It was pretty concisely laid out, and summarized at the end, so I'm not going to repeat the points.
It seems like solid mindset analysis, as solid as it can be at this point in the game, therefore winning my vote.
What's your opinion on said case, Eco?
This is an acceptable answer.
My own opinion is that I broadly agree with it (having come to a similar conclusion myself), but I'm not convinced it is fabricated so much as badly thought out. I'm still mulling it over, but currently I do not see it as a strong enough tell to vote on it.
To clarify - you feel that anytime someone votes without presenting a reason, it is solely to guage reactions, and not intended to indicate a desire to lynch? If this is the case, how is such a vote ever useful, given it's clear intentions?
To completely clarify, I should have noted that this is in my experience. Very rarely does a totally reason-less vote (simply "vote xxxxx" with nothing else in the post, or leading up to it in previous posts) actually indicate the true desire of the voter.
None of what you said there has been mentioned by others, so why did you add a disclaimer about barning?
What I meant by that was that if the others had not already posted (Emo's explanation post-callout, and the various posts actualy doing the calling out by others), I would have told you that I don't buy his vote, with my reason being that it seems contestless, and would seem to be a pressure vote trying to uncover information. Since Emo (and others) already stated the same thing prior to my reply to you, I chose to barn their posts.
I presume here that your "clear reasons" are that you suspect Poggy of being scum?
From my point above about naked votes, have you not already explained the motive behind Poggy's vote?
Nope...to the contrary, I think Poggy is probably town. Poggy has a tendency to play totally crazy and off the cuff; from the last game I played with him, it seemed to me that the best way to head him off was to pressure him to actually explain what the heck he was doing.
EBWOP: Arachnoid: He probably means that ZDS has not posted recently, and could therefore have not defended himself - a fact you have overlooked.
I didn't overlook it. That was the reason I voted for him instead of EP - EP had at least offered some sort of defense, while ZDS had been silent. Now that ZDS has also offered some sort of defense, neither of them gives me a stronger scum read than the other.
So you were worried about Vezok claiming because Poggy suggested he would? Despite the fact that you admit that poggy says things for the sake of saying them (implying that he might not have been genuinely pushing for Vezok to claim) and - indeed - that Poggy is generally ignored: so why would Vezok react and claim?
Vez just spews info out there for no reason. Seeing claims being talked about I feel he would been "hey I'm ....."
I didn't overlook it. That was the reason I voted for him instead of EP - EP had at least offered some sort of defense, while ZDS had been silent. Now that ZDS has also offered some sort of defense, neither of them gives me a stronger scum read than the other.
unvote
Thast's terrible. Just teribles. ZDs wasd silent,. but that's not a condemning fact. He just didn';t post yet. There's no wayh your would tell he's over-looking anything or lurking on purpose this early in the game.
What about ZDS's post even makes him scum? I pointed out a minor condritiction, but his answer was mostly applied to AE than me. He's applied logic that stems from "at this point in the game". You are condemning him before any defense of anything he said could be posted. Clearly you are simply lumping onto an existing person suspecte4d by some, but not the obvious wagon.
To completely clarify, I should have noted that this is in my experience. Very rarely does a totally reason-less vote (simply "vote xxxxx" with nothing else in the post, or leading up to it in previous posts) actually indicate the true desire of the voter.
I see. For the record, this is not true - people do sometimes stick a naked vote on someone they want to die.
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Nope...to the contrary, I think Poggy is probably town. Poggy has a tendency to play totally crazy and off the cuff; from the last game I played with him, it seemed to me that the best way to head him off was to pressure him to actually explain what the heck he was doing.
--->DJ
If you think Poggy is town, why did you use the word "excuse" - it is clearly a very accusatory word with negative connotations.
In addition, why did you bother asking if you believe all naked votes to be solely used to apply pressure/get reasctions?
I didn't overlook it. That was the reason I voted for him instead of EP - EP had at least offered some sort of defense, while ZDS had been silent. Now that ZDS has also offered some sort of defense, neither of them gives me a stronger scum read than the other.
unvote
This post is bad. Please explain what about ZDS' defence placated you so absolutely. I want a good answer because you've made me agree with Vezok.
I can't tell yet if ZDS is scum as well, but either way the Archmage_Eternal wagon sucks.
poggydude is town, therefore I will ignore him as necessary.
Wrath_of_Dog is town, therefore I won't have to ignore him, he'll lurk for me.
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What, are you pointing out your own scumtells now?
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/barn. I read that and gave it a mental "Really guys?". I'm not buying it.
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When I was posting pictures and whatever else I didn't read the thread. Since no one was really posting and I was bored I read through everyones posts in more detail, which is when I noticed ZDS's comments on AE. When AE responded with a "above criticism" add on to what I said, I didn't particulairly like the reaction. ZDS brushed aside what I had said and stood solid in his intention to push for AE, so I felt joining AE would give me better analysis on both (the intention being let ZDS pressure AE and see what both had to say). I also felt saying nothing or pressing ZDS for a clear answer he's not going to give (as scum or town) would result in an extension of the pseudo-RVS; one person does not a wagon make.
I simply left my post completely blank to hide my intentions, and hoped I wouldn't get called out on the appearence.
Okay...regardless, Poggy, what's your excuse on the blind vote?
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The second part is because of how he plays in general. He frequently makes odd or illogical plays (for instance, claiming cop in his first post of the game) that are simply better off being ignored.
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On the other hand I am intrigued by ZDS. His vote of AE is just bad. And his reasoning and calling AE overreacting is just awful. ZDS was just looking for any excuse to jump on AE here.
Also I think AE's IGMEOY is 100% justified.
Vote ZDS
It's hard to defend against "nu-uh".
Also adding "one person does not a wagon make."
Emo_Pinata, about 4 hours later, without anything further from Archmage Eternal or ZDS: "You know that vote I made in order to better read these two people? I'm going to explain it was simply a pressure vote (although I won't actually unvote) before it fulfills any of its stated purpose. I don't actually need to get a better read on ZDS and Archmage Eternal after all."
Note also, this was in response to a one-person wagon.
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This does not follow.
Whatever purpose you supposedly had in making your vote in the first place was sacrificed immediately in order to defend yourself from a vote. This is why I doubt you actually had this reasoning in the first place. I feel if you did, you would be a lot more hesitant to explain your vote away - it still had value for its original purpose.
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Do you feel that you were not taking Poggy too seriously? Were you taking him seriously at all? While answering, please make specific reference to posts #20 and #22
On EP: For making a vote which was designed to test reactions (and, indeed, deliberately leaving a vote on AE for strategic reasons), he very easily gave up this information - he totally volunteered it. This highlights a lack of conviction in actually following through and gathering information from the vote - which incidentally still stands, despite being rendered totally useless.
What do you think of EP's response? (expand on "Okay...")
Kindly elaborate on your usage of the word "excuse" as opposed to a less accusatory word, such as "reason".
Why is it clear AE wasn't being serious?
Kindly justify using the word "everyone" when only ZDS has realistically said so.
What's with the excessive hyperbole here? Why do you think ZDS as scum is so bloodthirsty as to make such a weak (in your eyes) vote? Explain exactly why his reasoning is awful.
Unvote, Vote Emo Pinata.
Which specific parts of the case do you most like and why?
1. He never voted Poggy.
2. His use of smilies and overall tone made it clear that he wasn't taking it seriously.
3. Plus he never attacks Poggy for doing it, instead only just slightly chides about trying to get Vezo to counterclaim.
Two out of three people on the wagon have said about him being too serious:
Whereas Poggy just seems to be following ZDS and EP, hence why I think everyone is appropriate here.
I am using way too many hyperboles? But this is how I always talk... err... type.
His reasoning is awful because he is basing his entire case on the notion that AE is taking Poggy too seriously. Even if AE was I fail to see how that makes him scummy. Also he calls out AE for IGMEOYing (which as I will state again the IGMEOY was completely justified) him and also seems to imply that AE's sense of humor/reactions make him scummy. So as I will say again his entire case is awful.
As for why ZDS would be so bloodthirsty as scum. I don't know. Maybe he was looking for a quick wagon. But if you reverse the question, it doesn't make sense for him to be so bloodthirsty as town either. So in that vein I can only look at his actions and his case and everything about it points to scum.
It was pretty clear that the AE wagon was not going anywhere by the time I posted why I voted. Any pressure AE would have felt by a couple of quick votes disappears by an equal number of people speaking out against the wagon. That is why I don't mind admitting what I was thinking. Just look at my motivation to tell you. Do you really think that I could just stall and then dump the same reasoning in my own defense? That makes less sense than admitting it up front, and I'm certainly not a player people let say "I have reasons I don't want to post yet". I obviously knew how I might come across, but I felt it was still worth pursuing - which is also a silly perspective as scum.
Also, ZDS and AE both have a clear outs by turning attention towards the AE wagon, especially since AE never voted and ZDS said "the scummiest so far" in his reasoning. Any potential gain between the two was already lost.
It's hard for me to do so since it's already been picked apart, but for the most part, I'd be barning what was already said by him and others. I always tend to look at a blind vote as one designed to elicit a response, since a good player knows it serves no purpose other than to garner attention, and will assume that other players will realize it's a poor way to make an honest vote as a result. Basically, it's a bit of an attention misdirection, and it's chuck-full of WIFOM; this one in particular kind of came out of nowhere to begin with, so I had no doubt an EP post-mortem was coming. I had no confidence it was a serious vote.
I deliberately chose the word for what should be clear reasons. Poggy plays a little off-the-cuff, and was only posts before interacting with AE in a somewhat positive and unconnected light. Since I assumed that Emo's vote was BS, I also assumed Poggy's was, and just wanted to hear how he would justify it.
--->DJ
Huh? When and how did he do this?
It seems like solid mindset analysis, as solid as it can be at this point in the game, therefore winning my vote.
What's your opinion on said case, Eco?
If I am asking you then it means its not obvious to me. So please enlighten me.
Why are you avoiding answering my question?
Poggydude please answer my question. If you don't I am going to have to assume that you are making this all up and that you are scum.
I don't like neither of those wagons.
Although I have to say L_P brings some good points.
I will think about this and tell you later.
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+1, poggy.
I see that AE is guilty of coming out of the gates too hard and that he's garnered ZDS' attention, but that's it. Hell, you're the only one who's basically claimed scum so far.
Plus, with you clowning on him and ZDS attacking him full-on early game...in my experience with you two, that's basically as strong of a town tell as you can get.
--->DJ
(2) Archmage_Eternal - Emo_Pinata, poggydude
(2) ZeDorkSlipeur - Guardman, vezokpiraka
(2) Emo_Pinata - Lost_Profit, Wrath_of_DoG
(2) Wrath_of_DoG - Ecophagy, RisingPhoenix
(1) Lost_Profit - Jobie
(1) RisingPhoenix - ZeDorkSlipeur
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(1) DYH - Archonoid
(1) Archonoid - Arcadic
(1) poggydude - DJ Catchem
Not Voting: Archmage Eternal
With 16 alive, it's 9 to lynch.
For this one time only, please ignore rule [3]. I'm testing a votecount-maker script.
About? Vez claiming? I never like early soft claims or random claims being thrown out.
This makes sense and gives me no faith in Emo.
I was not taking Poggys claim seriously. In #20 I believe he mentioned Vez on purpose. #22 I see him pressing the matter. He sees pressing Vez as an easy claim. What LP said about Poggy is the norm which is pretty disheartening. he is ignored.He just says things for the sake of saying them however scummy it comes across and typically gets a by for it as that is how he plays.
Lets look at this. Your so convinced but you did not vote me until Emo jumped on. It looks oppertunistic and using your meta to get you by.
I'm more interested in Emo than Poggy. I want to see Emo pursued. His unconvincing reasoning for voting me comes across as a farce.
Vote Emo Pinata
They hate us cause they ain't us.
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- poggy is poggy. While this is the first game I've played with him, reading other threads suggests that this is his meta.
- Interested in seeing what vezok will tell us later.
- AE is providing good reasoning. However:
- ZDS' posts are unconvincing and he seems strangely convinced for such an early push with so little evidence. While EP has provided at least some kind of defense, ZDS hasn't given anything useful.
vote ZeDorkSlipeur. His posts are less convincing to me than EP's.
Terrible logic since ZDS never posted.
I don't get it. So what if he quoted ZDS? He didn't vote him he said the quote was contradicting. Then later puts the vote on me.... Yeah I'm happy with my vote.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Yes, I understand that. I'm saying quoting someone's post and then saying that person's never posted is not exactly rational.
So you were worried about Vezok claiming because Poggy suggested he would? Despite the fact that you admit that poggy says things for the sake of saying them (implying that he might not have been genuinely pushing for Vezok to claim) and - indeed - that Poggy is generally ignored: so why would Vezok react and claim?
To clarify - you feel that anytime someone votes without presenting a reason, it is solely to guage reactions, and not intended to indicate a desire to lynch? If this is the case, how is such a vote ever useful, given it's clear intentions?
None of what you said there has been mentioned by others, so why did you add a disclaimer about barning?
I presume here that your "clear reasons" are that you suspect Poggy of being scum?
From my point above about naked votes, have you not already explained the motive behind Poggy's vote?
This is an acceptable answer.
My own opinion is that I broadly agree with it (having come to a similar conclusion myself), but I'm not convinced it is fabricated so much as badly thought out. I'm still mulling it over, but currently I do not see it as a strong enough tell to vote on it.
To completely clarify, I should have noted that this is in my experience. Very rarely does a totally reason-less vote (simply "vote xxxxx" with nothing else in the post, or leading up to it in previous posts) actually indicate the true desire of the voter.
What I meant by that was that if the others had not already posted (Emo's explanation post-callout, and the various posts actualy doing the calling out by others), I would have told you that I don't buy his vote, with my reason being that it seems contestless, and would seem to be a pressure vote trying to uncover information. Since Emo (and others) already stated the same thing prior to my reply to you, I chose to barn their posts.
Nope...to the contrary, I think Poggy is probably town. Poggy has a tendency to play totally crazy and off the cuff; from the last game I played with him, it seemed to me that the best way to head him off was to pressure him to actually explain what the heck he was doing.
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I didn't overlook it. That was the reason I voted for him instead of EP - EP had at least offered some sort of defense, while ZDS had been silent. Now that ZDS has also offered some sort of defense, neither of them gives me a stronger scum read than the other.
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Vez just spews info out there for no reason. Seeing claims being talked about I feel he would been "hey I'm ....."
They hate us cause they ain't us.
What about ZDS's post even makes him scum? I pointed out a minor condritiction, but his answer was mostly applied to AE than me. He's applied logic that stems from "at this point in the game". You are condemning him before any defense of anything he said could be posted. Clearly you are simply lumping onto an existing person suspecte4d by some, but not the obvious wagon.
From Ecophagy I do agree DJ is scummy.
From ZDS: I think guard is town here. He's bloodthirsty when town. He tends to calm down when scum.
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This guy is testing the waters. He votes people to see if other people will try to wagon up with him.
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I see. For the record, this is not true - people do sometimes stick a naked vote on someone they want to die.
If you think Poggy is town, why did you use the word "excuse" - it is clearly a very accusatory word with negative connotations.
In addition, why did you bother asking if you believe all naked votes to be solely used to apply pressure/get reasctions?
This post is bad. Please explain what about ZDS' defence placated you so absolutely. I want a good answer because you've made me agree with Vezok.
This is still a contradiction - Poggy can't be ignored by all and induce Vez to claim.