Would you believe my plan going in was to try hard NOT to lead any town? Being my first game and all I was hoping to coast on a few more coattails. The problem was that I started thinking that I was playing with the scum, the lurkers, and the goof troop - and I wasn't positive that I wasn't part of the goof troop. Drove me slightly bonkers. Fun though.
I agree. This was part of what had me worried about you as well. I think I flipped alignments on you twice in my notes IIRC.
Oh, and after these statements about the roleblock and the kill:
* Artifice 101 kicks DeathJoey, halfway around the world, with a looooong leg.
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There were a lot less 1 shots here than in Conflux, and that had 2 compulsive vigs? Besides, the survivor shot may not be used since that player needs to make it as town as possible.
Honestly, the worst part of this game had to be the players. And by players i mean the mod-kills/lurkers. Poggy's seemed like an honest mistake of frustration.
True story, night 2 3 and 4 i contemplating shotting zinda, since he seemed to be my biggest boon towards winning. I shot shalako because i was sure he was scum n2 due to Yanni interactions and LN wagon interactions. I shot Moo over Zinda because of scummy play that day. Also, i did misread my pm regarding my role. I didn't realize i had to be the lynching vote on Tabris to gain my daykill ability.
@AI: Loved your game, im taking a break from basics but if you run anything else let me know and if im not full ill sign up.
Well, I just signed up for the Mini list. I think the flavor will be that of a movie that came out last year. You may of heard of it...it's called "Inception."
One question and one last note for now, first the question: If you were me, how would you have claimed? I forgot who said it, but I could not claim tracker, with vezok's earlier claim, so I just went vanilla.
As I said in the spectator forum, once you failed to CC vezokpiraka's implied tracker claim, you were stuck between a rock and a hard place. It's good that you didn't forget, as I feared you might, that your true role should no longer be claimed. You could have claimed something a little spicier, such as [REDACTED], doctor, or something absolutely nuts (this would be the setup to claim the most ridiculous role and get away with it). [I thought of an awesome false-claim that I am going to use some day, so I can't give it away here!]
Well of course ideally you'd have had to say something around the time of Vezok's original claim, even if only something breadcrumbish. I might have been inclined to claim tracker anyway and just attribute the lack of CC to just being afraid of Vezok pulling some kind of Vezokish junk.
There were a lot less 1 shots here than in Conflux, and that had 2 compulsive vigs? Besides, the survivor shot may not be used since that player needs to make it as town as possible.
I realized that I should have made The Derpsmith's Iruel a jailer (and do something with Yanni's Leliel to make it more balanced, perhaps change it to a Night ability so he can be targeted every other Night) so The Ice King's Asuka could be a roleblocker, a role the mafia needed much more than the mediocre tracker (which obtained no useful information).
This game was so difficult for people to try and replace into, let alone follow along if you didn't have AI's spectacular commentary/summaries. Major props for those that did, although it definitely took away from a solid game, and the modkills probably made the difference for the Mafia. Once Toast got caught, I thought Arcadic had a higher chance of winning than the scum team.
DRey, don't quit. You may rub some people the wrong way, but I've enjoyed playing with you thus far. Still, you could've done more then just sit back for a couple days after D7 and not make any commentary. You aren't the reason you lost, but you are a factor.
Tanarin had Falkonn's faulty claim pegged, which was the direct result of LN not just claiming Doc. Built-in falseclaim if I've ever seen one. Did that never cross your mind, Luck?
Regardless, that game was very winnable for town with a simple reread. How Tanarin just forgot the whole claim snafu, or the fact that Falkonn was declared scum for a large part of the game really erked me. I think whichever side made the biggest effort there would have won.
TIK, Shal & Toast all played well, IMO, and it's not as though the mafia were undeserving. Just seemed like a convenient set of circumstances that set up the win.
MVPs are exactly what I would've done. Flavor was awesome. Roles were awesome. Balance seemed fine to an inexperienced youngling like myself. Looking forward to trying to get into AI's mini.
Well, I just signed up for the Mini list. I think the flavor will be that of a movie that came out last year. You may of heard of it...it's called "Inception."
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Aside from LuckNorris, who got somewhat unlucky, the mafia all played decently.
Ironic, isn't it?
I don't think the scum deserved this win either, to be completely honest. The last two town had a bad attitude during the final day and made poor reads. I didn't play my best this game, but it was my first experience as scum so I guess I have to learn more about the role, especially claiming. Overall, I thought it was a good learning experience and overall a well made game AI. Good job.
I don't deserve an MVP for this game because I was a major factor in throwing it away. I knew it was not Tanarin and I said it was anyway, because I thought I could outsmart falkonn. I've told people a million times not to underestimate their opponents, and here I was doing it myself.
If I had just abandoned my super "brilliant" plan of claiming bulletproof and faking out falkonn (or DRey, I didn't know at the time, but I knew it was never Tanarin) and posted my reads, which implicated falkonn pretty heavily, this game would've gone differently in endgame. Instead I thought I'd get the scum to do the "dirty work" for me by killing the other unconfirmed player and leaving Tanarin (who I pronounced scum but always knew was town) alive in endgame, at which point we would easily lynch the remaining one of falkonn/DRey.
That didn't happen and I shouldn't have put all my eggs in one basket. Sorry.
I can't say this was all my fault - Tanarin had a Jekyll and Hyde game, playing well for days 1-3 and horribly for the rest of the game; DRey didn't re-read and totally went with the flow at the end instead of turning on his brain; Sepiriel did a fantastic job of screwing the town with an unnecessary and unsportsmanlike kill (and I'd be saying the same if he'd killed a scum with his shot - at that point, he shouldn't have taken it at all since he had no chance of winning. Hoping I won't be playing with him again.) and modkills also did a great job of whittling us down.
We should've won, but once again, heartbreak in LyLo. Is Tanarin a ced gimmick, by any chance?
I don't deserve an MVP for this game because I was a major factor in throwing it away. I knew it was not Tanarin and I said it was anyway, because I thought I could outsmart falkonn. I've told people a million times not to underestimate their opponents, and here I was doing it myself.
If I had just abandoned my super "brilliant" plan of claiming bulletproof and faking out falkonn (or DRey, I didn't know at the time, but I knew it was never Tanarin) and posted my reads, which implicated falkonn pretty heavily, this game would've gone differently in endgame. Instead I thought I'd get the scum to do the "dirty work" for me by killing the other unconfirmed player and leaving Tanarin (who I pronounced scum but always knew was town) alive in endgame, at which point we would easily lynch the remaining one of falkonn/DRey.
That didn't happen and I shouldn't have put all my eggs in one basket. Sorry.
I can't say this was all my fault - Tanarin had a Jekyll and Hyde game, playing well for days 1-3 and horribly for the rest of the game; DRey didn't re-read and totally went with the flow at the end instead of turning on his brain; Sepiriel did a fantastic job of screwing the town with an unnecessary and unsportsmanlike kill (and I'd be saying the same if he'd killed a scum with his shot - at that point, he shouldn't have taken it at all since he had no chance of winning. Hoping I won't be playing with him again.) and modkills also did a great job of whittling us down.
We should've won, but once again, heartbreak in LyLo. Is Tanarin a ced gimmick, by any chance?
I would chalk it up to a ballsy play and call it good. I would like falkonn's input as to why he called your bluff. You might have been heavy-handed with your repeated insistance that you were 100% bulletproof.
The town did lie its way into a couple of ugly situations. The other dumb thing was we completely missed the Shalako interaction with Yanni as scummy, and the Shalako interaction with vezok and his "tracker Day interogation" as scummy.
Lastly, one other thing: as the outted power role going into Night 2, why-oh-why vezok did you not use your JoaT shot of "Doc" on me rather than watch me?? So you got to see me die, then watch my killer get offed in the Day scene. Good times. If you thought I was likely dead, protect me?
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Sepiriel did a fantastic job of screwing the town with an unnecessary and unsportsmanlike kill (and I'd be saying the same if he'd killed a scum with his shot - at that point, he shouldn't have taken it at all since he had no chance of winning. Hoping I won't be playing with him again.)
Thank you i actually was going for the whole "Screw you guys im going home" approach so knowing you felt screwed for the shot actually makes me feel rather good about it.
As for the whole hoping not to play with me again, i think its kinda mutual, i don't have anything against you i just dont particularly look forward to playing with you again.
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Honestly for me the biggest issue was when people started claiming MPE Units and didn't simply go "Flavor is in the OP" and still bungled it up!!!!
Well, let's not forget your little slip re: the town win con. Granted it was my mistake to post conflicting win cons in the OPs, but I can't take all the blame for that one.
I don't deserve an MVP for this game because I was a major factor in throwing it away. I knew it was not Tanarin and I said it was anyway, because I thought I could outsmart falkonn. I've told people a million times not to underestimate their opponents, and here I was doing it myself.
Yeah, I was kind of wondering to myself whether you were gambiting or your read was just that bad. If you don't think you deserve MVP, who do you think does? Artifice 101 or The Derpsmith would be next in line IMO, but I think you still played better than both.
Lastly, one other thing: as the outted power role going into Night 2, why-oh-why vezok did you not use your JoaT shot of "Doc" on me rather than watch me?? So you got to see me die, then watch my killer get offed in the Day scene. Good times. If you thought I was likely dead, protect me?
That certainly would have changed things quite a bit.
Oh, and there is some cool flavor in the scum Night result PMs (in QT). Check it out!
Well, let's not forget your little slip re: the town win con. Granted it was my mistake to post conflicting win cons in the OPs, but I can't take all the blame for that one.
Umm i wasn't talking about you but rather how they kept claiming MPE units but the descriptions had stuff like horns or mentioned other angels and stuff (im talking about how the mafia claimed here)
Yeah i actually head desked when i realized i had read the OP wrong and had read the flavor rather than the actual Win Con that had me back tracking like a champ
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IIRC from scumchat falkonn never believed total bulletproof in the first place. Which a bulletproof guy wearing a bulletproof vest is a peculiar claim anyway.
Give Sep a little more credit for the cop vigging. Tilde knew Sep was neutral but thought he had to die anyway, and some of the town thought it'd be funny to direct the Lance but then lynch Sep anyway. The town went out of its way to make an enemy out of a survivor, but this survivor had the means to fight back.
I really messed up my claim, but I probably should have looked at the flavour of this game beforehand. Keep in mind this was my second game of mafia, but I guess it's still no excuse.
Just wishing the mass claim thing would have gone through. Go look through the set up when you guys can. It was breakable via this. I was right. A lesson for all of you. Mass claim does not equate to bad.
Well, let's not forget your little slip re: the town win con. Granted it was my mistake to post conflicting win cons in the OPs, but I can't take all the blame for that one.
Mod "mistakes" add character Speaking of which I was rereading, and Shalako's character (if he had hit his "berzerk") as written could have killed Arcadic as well I believe.
Yeah, I was kind of wondering to myself whether you were gambiting or your read was just that bad. If you don't think you deserve MVP, who do you think does? Artifice 101 or The Derpsmith would be next in line IMO, but I think you still played better than both.
Oh no, don't get ME involved in that conversation. I was a fumbling newb, mostly because I got caught up in Shalako's nonsense, but thank you for the thought.
That certainly would have changed things quite a bit.
Dya think??? heh
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IIRC from scumchat falkonn never believed total bulletproof in the first place. Which a bulletproof guy wearing a bulletproof vest is a peculiar claim anyway.
As said in the spectate: "All in." "...call."
Give Sep a little more credit for the cop vigging. Tilde knew Sep was neutral but thought he had to die anyway, and some of the town thought it'd be funny to direct the Lance but then lynch Sep anyway. The town went out of its way to make an enemy out of a survivor, but this survivor had the means to fight back.
I really messed up my claim, but I probably should have looked at the flavour of this game beforehand. Keep in mind this was my second game of mafia, but I guess it's still no excuse.
my play, as usual, was horrible in this game.
I really wish I had the chance to use my role, but because of my own stupidity, was lynched.
You created a bit of a mess, but a TON of the mess falls on Shalako's "plan" (killing you) and the rest of us second guessing you. And some day I'll read back through that and see how much influence the scum had. And Sepiriel
Just wishing the mass claim thing would have gone through. Go look through the set up when you guys can. It was breakable via this. I was right. A lesson for all of you. Mass claim does not equate to bad.
Also why the hell was I killed night one?
Wrong, wrong and just wrong. If they had mass claimed along with the rest of us, if Luck hadn't gone early, we would have killed more than a few of the odd town PRs long before the scum (DJ, you, possibly vezok, Arcadic, and at least a couple vanilla). Your theory about how this is always the correct action is false. To be blunt, I dare you to try in any and all setups I'll be creating. You will fail. Miserably. And hate me forever. I'll be ok with that.
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Wrong, wrong and just wrong. If they had mass claimed along with the rest of us, if Luck hadn't gone early, we would have killed more than a few of the odd town PRs long before the scum (DJ, you, possibly vezok, Arcadic, and at least a couple vanilla). Your theory about how this is always the correct action is false. To be blunt, I dare you to try in any and all setups I'll be creating. You will fail. Miserably. And hate me forever. I'll be ok with that.
OK. I don't think that it is always the right action. In this set up it was though. Mafia had no day talk and no way to know what was up. It would have been chaos for you. Sure your set ups might survive it, but this one would not have. Whats your point? Seriously.
OK. I don't think that it is always the right action. In this set up it was though. Mafia had no day talk and no way to know what was up. It would have been chaos for you. Sure your set ups might survive it, but this one would not have. Whats your point? Seriously.
The thing is you do though. You and your D1 Mass claim theory have even gone on to our current game. Let it be.
OK. I don't think that it is always the right action. In this set up it was though. Mafia had no day talk and no way to know what was up. It would have been chaos for you. Sure your set ups might survive it, but this one would not have. Whats your point? Seriously.
You are basing this idea on the thought that they would have screwed up the claims if they had been given all OUR roles one at a time. They would have understood the templating of the vanilla false claim, they would have seen what was there to be claimed, and maybe Luck would have claimed Doc if he had seen the others give a good false claim. You aren't right.
Write them all down on cards, flip them over one at a time, and see what you think would have happened given the analysts and linguists the scum team had available to them. No way. It wouldn't have worked.
Now on the other hand, you get scum credit each and every time you mention mass claim (even though you have become a cliché for doing so and now it is a null tell WIFOM thing, added to your reads that many people have nailed down) AND you distract from the game for continuing to push it. Each and every time. It it worth it the few times it would break the game? Not overall. Think about it, and try not to switch to your first combative, defensing instinct before you do. You likely died because Arcadic thought you scum and as SK he wanted to slow the game down by taking a scum out first (this is an assumption on my part, I'll wait for his reasoning). Did that help town? Nope.
Now, does it create conversation? Sure. Is that conversation frequently a distraction? Absolutely.
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You are basing this idea on the thought that they would have screwed up the claims if they had been given all OUR roles one at a time. They would have understood the templating of the vanilla false claim, they would have seen what was there to be claimed, and maybe Luck would have claimed Doc if he had seen the others give a good false claim. You aren't right.
Write them all down on cards, flip them over one at a time, and see what you think would have heppened given the analysts and linguists the scum team had available to them. No way. It wouldn't have worked.
Now on the other hand, you get scum credit each and every time you mention mass claim (even though you have become a cliché for doing so and now it is a null tell WIFOM thing, added to your reads that many people have nailed down) AND you distract from the game for continuing to push it. Each and every time. It it worth it the few times it would break the game? Not overall. Think about it, and try not to switch to your first combative, defensing instinct before you do. You likely died because Arcadic thought you scum and as SK he wanted to slow the game down by taking a scum out first (this is an assumption on my part, I'll wait for his reasoning). Did that help town? Nope.
Now, does it create conversation? Sure. Is that conversation frequently a distraction? Absolutely.
You do realize your completely wrong right? You first said "Couldn't be broken because I say so". Then I was like well no day talk/role lock in on the vanillas. Then you go "But we had people that could talk well", Well guess what? The town did too since it was day one.
Hell the mod even expressed concern on a day one mass claim in his chat.
Ugh, I didn't really consider how awkward it would be for the mafia to
have to false-claim with no knowledge of the source material. I
probably should have given scum daytalk, or at least limited daytalk
(one-shot, only one mafioso can send one-way messages, etc.).
Man, I'm glad the town doesn't look like it wants to mass-claim...the
setup might actually be breakable that way. *grimace*
So your free to your opinion and I am sure you can come up with some hypothetical situation in which it wouldn't help. But guess what? In this game it would have helped and I was right. The fact that you don't get that is kind of cute.
Also a null cliche that I am doing this? Ok. Glad to here that me doing it what three times becomes part of my meta? I have played over 100 games at this point. Sure 80% are in chat rooms, but still, if me doing something a few times leads to a "meta". Then wow ok.
So your free to your opinion and I am sure you can come up with some hypothetical situation in which it wouldn't help. But guess what? In this game it would have helped and I was right. The fact that you don't get that is kind of cute.
It wouldn't have helped in this game. Are you saying people would have seen "Embryo" alongside various vanilla claims, alongside all the other angels the setup had to offer AND the false claims provided and this wouldn't have become a giant clustermess? Nah. You are wrong. The scum would have survived it, and the replacements would have been more numerous and painful.
And I "get it." Please don't ad hom me by suggesting I, as a grown man, am "cute" in a diminutive, distainful, dismissive tone. You are frequently help up as a poor player here. For me to hear that you have well over a hundred games under your belt is just shameful.
And for reference, the statement I made about DRey and his combativeness goes double for you. You need to learn when to get along with players and stop being so bitter and vitriolic. You're proving it in this argument. I'll not insult you. I'll simple point at the holes in your theory and disagree.
Also a null cliche that I am doing this? Ok. Glad to here that me doing it what three times becomes part of my meta? I have played over 100 games at this point. Sure 80% are in chat rooms, but still, if me doing something a few times leads to a "meta". Then wow ok.
Ask me about this again around the holidays. Before that, you'll be in ongoing games. After that, I'll provide you with a ton of evidence that this has become your expected, bad, play from a scad of sources.
And at that, I'll exit the argument. Good luck in your future Mafia games. Whether you believe it or not, I hold no ill will towards you. I simply disagree with your idea.
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Ask me about this again around the holidays. Before that, you'll be in ongoing games. After that, I'll provide you with a ton of evidence that this has become your expected, bad, play from a scad of sources.
But that is the thing. I was making reference to those games. Other than that I don't think I have ever asked for a mass claim. I could of course be wrong.
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Yeah I am. Its cool. I play for fun. Hetalia I am actually trying in we will see how it goes. Also, almost all of the games that I have played are not on this site, in the chatrooms free flow I operate quite well. But frankly I don't care what a homophobic egotistical person thinks of me. Since he constantly bashes me and the mods just sit there and let it go because he is their friend. Its a joke. But I have come to expect that from a few members in this community. People are funny in how they gang up on people. I am not mad about it, its just funny to me.
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And at that, I'll exit the argument. Good luck in your future Mafia games. Whether you believe it or not, I hold no ill will towards you. I simply disagree with your idea.
Which is fine. We just disagree. I feel that especially on this site in specialty games mass claims hurt the scum bad. They have a hard time dealing with it. Maybe after a a while more people will see my point or mods will just start preparing for them. Which is the thing, we have become lax about dealing with mass claims, and once it is abused mods will start to prepare for it.
I have super mixed feelings about the way that this game played out. I can honestly say that if Zinda had posted his real reads that I don't think there was a way that we could have won.
I am not happy with the way that I played this game. I did have one post that I was particularly proud of, but it did nothing to make my overall play actually good. My life has been crazy recently and it really showed. I am planning on not playing any more mafia games until I can give it a lot more of my attention then this game.
Two notes: 1) I killed Zinda because killing anyone else severely limited my ability to win the game. Zinda was the only person that was considered confirmed town. I believed the kill would go through (and I hoped it did), but even if it didn't I was hoping to just get one more mislynch. I still would have won the game if I could have convinced the town to lynch DReY/Tanarin since I could nk the other and it would just be me and zinda (the scum win con was simply to be able to control the lynch. I'm assuming that 1v1 is "controlling" here).
2) Arcadic: You could have gotten away with the whole "I didn't realize I was a compulsive vig" if you would have killed basically anyone other then zinda that night.
I have super mixed feelings about the way that this game played out. I can honestly say that if Zinda had posted his real reads that I don't think there was a way that we could have won.
I am not happy with the way that I played this game. I did have one post that I was particularly proud of, but it did nothing to make my overall play actually good. My life has been crazy recently and it really showed. I am planning on not playing any more mafia games until I can give it a lot more of my attention then this game.
Two notes: 1) I killed Zinda because killing anyone else severely limited my ability to win the game. Zinda was the only person that was considered confirmed town. I believed the kill would go through (and I hoped it did), but even if it didn't I was hoping to just get one more mislynch. I still would have won the game if I could have convinced the town to lynch DReY/Tanarin since I could nk the other and it would just be me and zinda (the scum win con was simply to be able to control the lynch. I'm assuming that 1v1 is "controlling" here).
2) Arcadic: You could have gotten away with the whole "I didn't realize I was a compulsive vig" if you would have killed basically anyone other then zinda that night.
I realize that, but the fact is i could not kill zinda after losing the ability to daykill and reliably live 2 nights. Shotting zinda was the only chance i had, an i fought it as well as i could. The mistake was waiting a night to shot zinda, not shooting him. Hell, i remember vividly submitting my kill on Moo then going away with the wife for the weekend and regretting it. I didn't have proper time to calculate that kill. I did however look for senarios that would allow me to live to the endgame, and i never found one that didn't
A. Have the scum wasting their shot a Zinda.
B. Have me shooting zinda.
I shot DV because he was the 2nd scummiest player after Yanni. The town didn't need to lose a day of hunting scum by re-revving the DV wagon on day 2. The goal was to make my shots as townie looking as possible, and i think i did that rather well.
A town MVP is really hard to name this game. ~~~ did rather well early, as did Tan, Zinda turned from scummy to town in the midgame, Vezok was actually pretty decent at the start. They all had flaws that hurt them and the town in the end however.
I would have correctly false claimed due to my insistence that we make sure to claim matching to flavor and was quite upset with TIK claiming Angel with no ability.
Also.
I never would have shot Yanni and would have rode him until All the other scum were dead and I was firing Unblockable shots through his ability. And then Killed him+N.K. for the win in end game.
I would have correctly false claimed due to my insistence that we make sure to claim matching to flavor and was quite upset with TIK claiming Angel with no ability.
Also.
I never would have shot Yanni and would have rode him until All the other scum were dead and I was firing Unblockable shots through his ability. And then Killed him+N.K. for the win in end game.
I think I get part of what you are saying, but then again I'm still not sure how his ability would have porked/resolved. And yeah, you had him wrapped around your finger.
Should have caught that earlier. I'm claiming inexperience on that one.
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Yeah I think the yanni lynch was really bad, I also apologize for having to be killed.
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I never would have shot Yanni and would have rode him until All the other scum were dead and I was firing Unblockable shots through his ability. And then Killed him+N.K. for the win in end game.
You would not be able to target any player but Yanni while he and you are removed from the game, so that plan wouldn't work.
my problem with Yanni was that it set up the scum perfectly even as town, i mean you read what shalako was saying and he was partly right, he would never have killed Yanni until later on when the double kill would have ensured a loss that was my main drive for the lynch ASIDE from the fact Yanni royally screwed himself with a huge "I AM SCUM!!!!!" target on himself.
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my problem with Yanni was that it set up the scum perfectly even as town, i mean you read what shalako was saying and he was partly right, he would never have killed Yanni until later on when the double kill would have ensured a loss that was my main drive for the lynch ASIDE from the fact Yanni royally screwed himself with a huge "I AM SCUM!!!!!" target on himself.
Point of Order! You were a Neutral Survivor... you shouldn't have had a "main drive" because you tunneled yourself (on Yanni) into tunnel vision ON you (by me). That drew the investigation that caused all the problems with ~Tilde~. You were a little too aggressive in my opinion
And that was all just a debacle. But a fun, dramatic debacle While it sucked watching the town Cop get gunned down as a player on his team, it was amusing to spectate.
That's the thing. Even though it was ugly how this came down to the wire, and I didn't like the final result, this game was highly entertaining and a great learning experience.
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Point of Order! You were a Neutral Survivor... you shouldn't have had a "main drive" because you tunneled yourself (on Yanni) into tunnel vision ON you (by me). That drew the investigation that caused all the problems with ~Tilde~. You were a little too aggressive in my opinion
And that was all just a debacle. But a fun, dramatic debacle While it sucked watching the town Cop get gunned down as a player on his team, it was amusing to spectate.
My plan for the game was the following, right off the bat i thought i had much better chances helping the town scum hunt, so i was being as active as possible, at the same time i was concious of myself as i didn't want to be too active that scum considered me a viable shot.
My plan mid to late game was to weigh how the town was behaving and begin to hedge my bets to whichever side seemed likely to win (i was hoping to do this by holding my shot as a hostage like card).
Somehow it turned ugly quickly, i have no idea why my tunneling on a player was seen as scummy (actually i kinda do, i mean i pressured poggy which lead to his failtastic modkill, which when coupled with Yanni didn't look so good but then again i was hoping people would be smart enough to see there was no scum motivation to being THAT vocal and strongwilled).
When i noticed the town was a mess i decided to play with the scum as my winning side, then ~Tilde~ lied and screwed me over, the rest of the town was not going to even consider letting me live despite the fact they believed the neutral claim.
Meh it was a mess.
That's the thing. Even though it was ugly how this came down to the wire, and I didn't like the final result, this game was highly entertaining and a great learning experience.
/barn, i did learn a lot, i think my performance was really good all things considered and i learned a lot out of this whole snafu.
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My plan for the game was the following, right off the bat i thought i had much better chances helping the town scum hunt, so i was being as active as possible, at the same time i was concious of myself as i didn't want to be too active that scum considered me a viable shot.
My plan mid to late game was to weigh how the town was behaving and begin to hedge my bets to whichever side seemed likely to win (i was hoping to do this by holding my shot as a hostage like card).
Somehow it turned ugly quickly, i have no idea why my tunneling on a player was seen as scummy (actually i kinda do, i mean i pressured poggy which lead to his failtastic modkill, which when coupled with Yanni didn't look so good but then again i was hoping people would be smart enough to see there was no scum motivation to being THAT vocal and strongwilled).
When i noticed the town was a mess i decided to play with the scum as my winning side, then ~Tilde~ lied and screwed me over, the rest of the town was not going to even consider letting me live despite the fact they believed the neutral claim.
Meh it was a mess.
/barn, i did learn a lot, i think my performance was really good all things considered and i learned a lot out of this whole snafu.
But for the part about Poggy (which is Poggy's fault, and sucked, but I'm not mad about. Typo's happen.) I can see how this would have worked. I think the scum would have targetted you earlier if the PR's (myself, vezok) hadn't outted ourselves.
And I agree, lynching the true Neutral was a huge mistake, no matter how much your decision was unpopular.
*Note to Self* top tunneling Sepiriel.
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I don't think i would have been targeted for a shot, like you said im very articulate and my logic is very hard to deal with when i get into tunnel mode, but at the same time i can be easy to manipulate if needed so i can see scum using me as a wagon maker if wanted and if i focus on scum its easy to brush me aside because of my tunneling and a few other flaws i would rather not make open :p.
In short im not the kind of player you waste a NK on nor the one you want to get rid of until late game.
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Claiming neutral can be an effective scum strategy, especially on a non-town investigation. It was the lying that screwed him over, but even as town, I would feel uncomfortable letting a neutral live that long.
Its hard to say though, I haven't been in that situation often, so I am not sure what my reaction would be.
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Im back and feeling better, yay! I still feel bad about having to stop my involvement in the game.
I only read the last few days so far, and im appalled at the last day, lynch with the first few post. *facepalm*
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Smile your day could be worse, so I did smile and it was worse.
Claiming neutral can be an effective scum strategy, especially on a non-town investigation. It was the lying that screwed him over, but even as town, I would feel uncomfortable letting a neutral live that long.
Its hard to say though, I haven't been in that situation often, so I am not sure what my reaction would be.
Well, I can agree with this as the SK was still running around (And Sep could have been that). But with a dead SK, nah. Waste of town power AKA the lynch.
Im back and feeling better, yay! I still feel bad about having to stop my involvement in the game.
I only read the last few days so far, and im appalled at the last day, lynch with the first few post. *facepalm*
I am VERY glad to hear that! And yeah, so close, but yet so far. *sigh*
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I love Eva and I saw a lot of what was going on in this game and can honestly say I would have loved to play in this game. Well done, AI.
Thanks, guys!
Thanks for checking back in, Reya & jd.
This game was also a learning experience for me in terms of what types of roles are needed for a balanced setup. I've said it multiple times, but the town really needed a protective role and the scum really needed a roleblocker. The lack of those roles kind of balance each other out (the scum have a doctor so they are supposed to feel relatively safe killing the claimed cop, unless the JoAT uses his protection shot) but relying on everything to fall into place when any number of things could have happened wasn't a good idea. Knowledge internalized.
Yeah i think the role division was a little unbalanced, but also add the fact that some of the roles were rather unique in their execution, i believe would have unbalanced the game even if the Protection and Roleblocking had been assigned the other way around.
Anyways like i said before great game and next time you run anything non basic ill run to the chance to join.
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Yeah i think the role division was a little unbalanced, but also add the fact that some of the roles were rather unique in their execution, i believe would have unbalanced the game even if the Protection and Roleblocking had been assigned the other way around.
I forgot to mention that part of the reason I wrote the setup the way I did was because the "good guys" were the mafia and the "bad guys" were the town. As a result, it made more sense flavorfully for the "good guys" to have a doctor and the "bad guys" to have a roleblocker.
The setup was supposed to feel weird; there is nothing normal about the subject matter. The Angels seem to be these bizarre, unfathomable lifeforms, but in actuality they are essentially distant cousins of humans, the Lilim. In the end, the battle is not between humans and Angels, but one pitting humans against each other, ultimately with humans fighting their own natures in an attempt to account for the ugliness of their souls. Shinji's decision to reject Instrumentality allowed people to emerge from LCL, but it is telling that only those with sufficient willpower could manifest as independent individuals.
One interpretation of End of Evangelion that I ascribe to is as follows: We are obligated to live life to the fullest and become the best people we can be, thus precipitating out of the collective humanity able and willing to change the world for the better.
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You didn't try. You came into the thread at the start of the day and declared Tanarin scum. Even though he was as obviously town as could be.
And then you did absolutely nothing for the rest of the day. No re-read of either other living play. No anything.
Tanarin isn't any better though. He knew that falkonn's claim was awful and somehow ended up voting you. And that was only after ignoring this thread, on the last day of the game, while posting rampantly in other mafia threads.
Falkonn clearly wasn't even trying, he was just praying that one of you voted each other. And then when Tanarin did vote you, it took Falkonn like 2 days to come along and hammer. Completely pitiful.
You are both a disgrace. Never has a mafia deserved a win less, but you both felt completely fine with just giving it to them anyway. Hopefully you're telling the truth about 'retiring'(I'm pretty sure you don't get to call it retirement when you've only played for like 6 months). You'd be doing everyone that still plays a huge favor.
When i originally read this i was pissed, more than that, i was irate. Had I responded it back there I would be forever banned from this site because things were gonna get ugly.
Now that time has passed and i calmed down want to address this terrible of a post.
1)you don't know ****, you talk like you know everything but you obviously don't. You are not infallible, in fact you are a terrible person, harmful to the community, it's not because you are a veteran you can talk like this to the newer players, I still remember what you said to poggy, you should've been banned from that.
2)I'm not quitting anymore, I like this game and this site. I'm not quitting because of you either, also i want to make your life hell if possible.
Let me give some opinions/information for you and the critics.
1)falkonn did not play that terribly (at least after i replaced). Taking 2 days for placing the hammer is not bad play. Since when everyone is supposed to be 24/7 here? Some people have life, having more time disponible does not make anyone a better players than others. Plus shooting Zinda was a great shot, had he shot me or Tanarin he would certainly lose on lylo against Zinda. Props to you Falkonn.
2)I was never sure Tanarin was scum, I just came in the day attacking him to provoke and gauge reactions, unfortunately Tanarin did not react well, town should never come voting on lylo.
3)Zinda, actually i did notice your attack on Tanarin was a fake, but i believed you were suspitious of me... I was afraid to engage you on last day, because i knew my chances were pretty slim against you, also i was afraid what my predecessors did. You are not the one to blame, certainly you were town MVP, it was not your fault at all that i expressed suspition of Tanarin, it was a ruse.
4)I didn't want to replace into this game, I was playing on three games when i replaced in, this was my fourth and i really hadn't time to reread it, AI just assured me no extensive rereading was necessary, just the mass claim. "but why did you enter a game if you had no time to dedicate to it?" because:
5) I was one of the original subscribers, after being randomed out I noticed how frantic the pace of this game was, and I hate spammers more than anything so I gave up playing and stopped following. AI still PMed me 4 or 5 times asking for replacements and i refused them all. Sometime later I noticed AI was modkilling players like a machine gun and i sympathized with him. One because i consider him one of the nicest guys around here, two because I didn't want to see such a nice game get destroyed because of lurky players so i PMed him "I don't want to enter this game, but if you need another replacement and after extensive searching none is available i will replace in, do not modkill anymore". Sometime later he said he needed me and the rest is history.
6)I was wary of falkonn and TIK shenanigans as scum, i was scum with both of them on final fantasy mafia and i know how strongly they can bus each other, they even "counterclaimed" themselves back there and both lived to tell the tale!
7)I would reread the whole game, had Tanarin gave me time to it, considering the things others have said about falkonn interactions with scum I do believe I would correctly identify him as scum.
So please die cyan.
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The game is not being dumbed down. Control is doing fine; Draw-Go is not the only kind of control. Aggro is doing fine; Red Deck Wins is not the only kind of aggro. Creature combat is an important core concept and belongs in every color. Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
Oh, and after these statements about the roleblock and the kill:
* Artifice 101 kicks DeathJoey, halfway around the world, with a looooong leg.
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Honestly, the worst part of this game had to be the players. And by players i mean the mod-kills/lurkers. Poggy's seemed like an honest mistake of frustration.
True story, night 2 3 and 4 i contemplating shotting zinda, since he seemed to be my biggest boon towards winning. I shot shalako because i was sure he was scum n2 due to Yanni interactions and LN wagon interactions. I shot Moo over Zinda because of scummy play that day. Also, i did misread my pm regarding my role. I didn't realize i had to be the lynching vote on Tabris to gain my daykill ability.
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Well, I just signed up for the Mini list. I think the flavor will be that of a movie that came out last year. You may of heard of it...it's called "Inception."
No problem; I thought you played pretty well especially considering how thinly you were spread.
Let me tell you, I spent HOURS writing PMs for each Night. I'm glad my hard work paid off.
As I said in the spectator forum, once you failed to CC vezokpiraka's implied tracker claim, you were stuck between a rock and a hard place. It's good that you didn't forget, as I feared you might, that your true role should no longer be claimed. You could have claimed something a little spicier, such as [REDACTED], doctor, or something absolutely nuts (this would be the setup to claim the most ridiculous role and get away with it). [I thought of an awesome false-claim that I am going to use some day, so I can't give it away here!]
As the MVP of the winning team, it is implied that Toastboy wins game MVP.
Also valid, but you have to be extra-ballsy.
I realized that I should have made The Derpsmith's Iruel a jailer (and do something with Yanni's Leliel to make it more balanced, perhaps change it to a Night ability so he can be targeted every other Night) so The Ice King's Asuka could be a roleblocker, a role the mafia needed much more than the mediocre tracker (which obtained no useful information).
Agreed; the game would have been much more fun for everyone involved if it wasn't plagued by replacements and modkills.
Oops. You have to consider how easily that would trigger, though. You would just have to be on every lynch wagon.
DRey, don't quit. You may rub some people the wrong way, but I've enjoyed playing with you thus far. Still, you could've done more then just sit back for a couple days after D7 and not make any commentary. You aren't the reason you lost, but you are a factor.
Tanarin had Falkonn's faulty claim pegged, which was the direct result of LN not just claiming Doc. Built-in falseclaim if I've ever seen one. Did that never cross your mind, Luck?
Regardless, that game was very winnable for town with a simple reread. How Tanarin just forgot the whole claim snafu, or the fact that Falkonn was declared scum for a large part of the game really erked me. I think whichever side made the biggest effort there would have won.
TIK, Shal & Toast all played well, IMO, and it's not as though the mafia were undeserving. Just seemed like a convenient set of circumstances that set up the win.
MVPs are exactly what I would've done. Flavor was awesome. Roles were awesome. Balance seemed fine to an inexperienced youngling like myself. Looking forward to trying to get into AI's mini.
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Ironic, isn't it?
I don't think the scum deserved this win either, to be completely honest. The last two town had a bad attitude during the final day and made poor reads. I didn't play my best this game, but it was my first experience as scum so I guess I have to learn more about the role, especially claiming. Overall, I thought it was a good learning experience and overall a well made game AI. Good job.
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If I had just abandoned my super "brilliant" plan of claiming bulletproof and faking out falkonn (or DRey, I didn't know at the time, but I knew it was never Tanarin) and posted my reads, which implicated falkonn pretty heavily, this game would've gone differently in endgame. Instead I thought I'd get the scum to do the "dirty work" for me by killing the other unconfirmed player and leaving Tanarin (who I pronounced scum but always knew was town) alive in endgame, at which point we would easily lynch the remaining one of falkonn/DRey.
That didn't happen and I shouldn't have put all my eggs in one basket. Sorry.
I can't say this was all my fault - Tanarin had a Jekyll and Hyde game, playing well for days 1-3 and horribly for the rest of the game; DRey didn't re-read and totally went with the flow at the end instead of turning on his brain; Sepiriel did a fantastic job of screwing the town with an unnecessary and unsportsmanlike kill (and I'd be saying the same if he'd killed a scum with his shot - at that point, he shouldn't have taken it at all since he had no chance of winning. Hoping I won't be playing with him again.) and modkills also did a great job of whittling us down.
We should've won, but once again, heartbreak in LyLo. Is Tanarin a ced gimmick, by any chance?
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
The town did lie its way into a couple of ugly situations. The other dumb thing was we completely missed the Shalako interaction with Yanni as scummy, and the Shalako interaction with vezok and his "tracker Day interogation" as scummy.
Lastly, one other thing: as the outted power role going into Night 2, why-oh-why vezok did you not use your JoaT shot of "Doc" on me rather than watch me?? So you got to see me die, then watch my killer get offed in the Day scene. Good times. If you thought I was likely dead, protect me?
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Thank you i actually was going for the whole "Screw you guys im going home" approach so knowing you felt screwed for the shot actually makes me feel rather good about it.
As for the whole hoping not to play with me again, i think its kinda mutual, i don't have anything against you i just dont particularly look forward to playing with you again.
Well, let's not forget your little slip re: the town win con. Granted it was my mistake to post conflicting win cons in the OPs, but I can't take all the blame for that one.
Yeah, I was kind of wondering to myself whether you were gambiting or your read was just that bad. If you don't think you deserve MVP, who do you think does? Artifice 101 or The Derpsmith would be next in line IMO, but I think you still played better than both.
That certainly would have changed things quite a bit.
Oh, and there is some cool flavor in the scum Night result PMs (in QT). Check it out!
Umm i wasn't talking about you but rather how they kept claiming MPE units but the descriptions had stuff like horns or mentioned other angels and stuff (im talking about how the mafia claimed here)
Yeah i actually head desked when i realized i had read the OP wrong and had read the flavor rather than the actual Win Con that had me back tracking like a champ
Give Sep a little more credit for the cop vigging. Tilde knew Sep was neutral but thought he had to die anyway, and some of the town thought it'd be funny to direct the Lance but then lynch Sep anyway. The town went out of its way to make an enemy out of a survivor, but this survivor had the means to fight back.
I'm still trying.
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I really wish I had the chance to use my role, but because of my own stupidity, was lynched.
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Also why the hell was I killed night one?
Oh no, don't get ME involved in that conversation. I was a fumbling newb, mostly because I got caught up in Shalako's nonsense, but thank you for the thought.
Dya think??? heh
I read, I dig.
As said in the spectate: "All in." "...call."
Agreed.
You're doing fine. Lessons learned.
You created a bit of a mess, but a TON of the mess falls on Shalako's "plan" (killing you) and the rest of us second guessing you. And some day I'll read back through that and see how much influence the scum had. And Sepiriel
Wrong, wrong and just wrong. If they had mass claimed along with the rest of us, if Luck hadn't gone early, we would have killed more than a few of the odd town PRs long before the scum (DJ, you, possibly vezok, Arcadic, and at least a couple vanilla). Your theory about how this is always the correct action is false. To be blunt, I dare you to try in any and all setups I'll be creating. You will fail. Miserably. And hate me forever. I'll be ok with that.
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OK. I don't think that it is always the right action. In this set up it was though. Mafia had no day talk and no way to know what was up. It would have been chaos for you. Sure your set ups might survive it, but this one would not have. Whats your point? Seriously.
The thing is you do though. You and your D1 Mass claim theory have even gone on to our current game. Let it be.
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Write them all down on cards, flip them over one at a time, and see what you think would have happened given the analysts and linguists the scum team had available to them. No way. It wouldn't have worked.
Now on the other hand, you get scum credit each and every time you mention mass claim (even though you have become a cliché for doing so and now it is a null tell WIFOM thing, added to your reads that many people have nailed down) AND you distract from the game for continuing to push it. Each and every time. It it worth it the few times it would break the game? Not overall. Think about it, and try not to switch to your first combative, defensing instinct before you do. You likely died because Arcadic thought you scum and as SK he wanted to slow the game down by taking a scum out first (this is an assumption on my part, I'll wait for his reasoning). Did that help town? Nope.
Now, does it create conversation? Sure. Is that conversation frequently a distraction? Absolutely.
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You do realize your completely wrong right? You first said "Couldn't be broken because I say so". Then I was like well no day talk/role lock in on the vanillas. Then you go "But we had people that could talk well", Well guess what? The town did too since it was day one.
Hell the mod even expressed concern on a day one mass claim in his chat.
So your free to your opinion and I am sure you can come up with some hypothetical situation in which it wouldn't help. But guess what? In this game it would have helped and I was right. The fact that you don't get that is kind of cute.
Also a null cliche that I am doing this? Ok. Glad to here that me doing it what three times becomes part of my meta? I have played over 100 games at this point. Sure 80% are in chat rooms, but still, if me doing something a few times leads to a "meta". Then wow ok.
And I "get it." Please don't ad hom me by suggesting I, as a grown man, am "cute" in a diminutive, distainful, dismissive tone. You are frequently help up as a poor player here. For me to hear that you have well over a hundred games under your belt is just shameful.
And for reference, the statement I made about DRey and his combativeness goes double for you. You need to learn when to get along with players and stop being so bitter and vitriolic. You're proving it in this argument. I'll not insult you. I'll simple point at the holes in your theory and disagree.
Ask me about this again around the holidays. Before that, you'll be in ongoing games. After that, I'll provide you with a ton of evidence that this has become your expected, bad, play from a scad of sources.
And at that, I'll exit the argument. Good luck in your future Mafia games. Whether you believe it or not, I hold no ill will towards you. I simply disagree with your idea.
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But that is the thing. I was making reference to those games. Other than that I don't think I have ever asked for a mass claim. I could of course be wrong.
Yeah I am. Its cool. I play for fun. Hetalia I am actually trying in we will see how it goes. Also, almost all of the games that I have played are not on this site, in the chatrooms free flow I operate quite well. But frankly I don't care what a homophobic egotistical person thinks of me. Since he constantly bashes me and the mods just sit there and let it go because he is their friend. Its a joke. But I have come to expect that from a few members in this community. People are funny in how they gang up on people. I am not mad about it, its just funny to me.
Which is fine. We just disagree. I feel that especially on this site in specialty games mass claims hurt the scum bad. They have a hard time dealing with it. Maybe after a a while more people will see my point or mods will just start preparing for them. Which is the thing, we have become lax about dealing with mass claims, and once it is abused mods will start to prepare for it.
I am not happy with the way that I played this game. I did have one post that I was particularly proud of, but it did nothing to make my overall play actually good. My life has been crazy recently and it really showed. I am planning on not playing any more mafia games until I can give it a lot more of my attention then this game.
Two notes: 1) I killed Zinda because killing anyone else severely limited my ability to win the game. Zinda was the only person that was considered confirmed town. I believed the kill would go through (and I hoped it did), but even if it didn't I was hoping to just get one more mislynch. I still would have won the game if I could have convinced the town to lynch DReY/Tanarin since I could nk the other and it would just be me and zinda (the scum win con was simply to be able to control the lynch. I'm assuming that 1v1 is "controlling" here).
2) Arcadic: You could have gotten away with the whole "I didn't realize I was a compulsive vig" if you would have killed basically anyone other then zinda that night.
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I realize that, but the fact is i could not kill zinda after losing the ability to daykill and reliably live 2 nights. Shotting zinda was the only chance i had, an i fought it as well as i could. The mistake was waiting a night to shot zinda, not shooting him. Hell, i remember vividly submitting my kill on Moo then going away with the wife for the weekend and regretting it. I didn't have proper time to calculate that kill. I did however look for senarios that would allow me to live to the endgame, and i never found one that didn't
A. Have the scum wasting their shot a Zinda.
B. Have me shooting zinda.
I shot DV because he was the 2nd scummiest player after Yanni. The town didn't need to lose a day of hunting scum by re-revving the DV wagon on day 2. The goal was to make my shots as townie looking as possible, and i think i did that rather well.
A town MVP is really hard to name this game. ~~~ did rather well early, as did Tan, Zinda turned from scummy to town in the midgame, Vezok was actually pretty decent at the start. They all had flaws that hurt them and the town in the end however.
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I would have correctly false claimed due to my insistence that we make sure to claim matching to flavor and was quite upset with TIK claiming Angel with no ability.
Also.
I never would have shot Yanni and would have rode him until All the other scum were dead and I was firing Unblockable shots through his ability. And then Killed him+N.K. for the win in end game.
[Mafia Stats] Mafia MVP: 1/3 Basic #29,Co-[CCMV]
Should have caught that earlier. I'm claiming inexperience on that one.
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You would not be able to target any player but Yanni while he and you are removed from the game, so that plan wouldn't work.
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Yanni couldn't properly claim his role. That's what led to his lynch. His claim evolved too much to be believable.
My wife was on MTV with this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUutIZg2EpU
And that was all just a debacle. But a fun, dramatic debacle While it sucked watching the town Cop get gunned down as a player on his team, it was amusing to spectate.
That's the thing. Even though it was ugly how this came down to the wire, and I didn't like the final result, this game was highly entertaining and a great learning experience.
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My plan mid to late game was to weigh how the town was behaving and begin to hedge my bets to whichever side seemed likely to win (i was hoping to do this by holding my shot as a hostage like card).
Somehow it turned ugly quickly, i have no idea why my tunneling on a player was seen as scummy (actually i kinda do, i mean i pressured poggy which lead to his failtastic modkill, which when coupled with Yanni didn't look so good but then again i was hoping people would be smart enough to see there was no scum motivation to being THAT vocal and strongwilled).
When i noticed the town was a mess i decided to play with the scum as my winning side, then ~Tilde~ lied and screwed me over, the rest of the town was not going to even consider letting me live despite the fact they believed the neutral claim.
Meh it was a mess.
/barn, i did learn a lot, i think my performance was really good all things considered and i learned a lot out of this whole snafu.
And I agree, lynching the true Neutral was a huge mistake, no matter how much your decision was unpopular.
*Note to Self* top tunneling Sepiriel.
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In short im not the kind of player you waste a NK on nor the one you want to get rid of until late game.
Claiming neutral can be an effective scum strategy, especially on a non-town investigation. It was the lying that screwed him over, but even as town, I would feel uncomfortable letting a neutral live that long.
Its hard to say though, I haven't been in that situation often, so I am not sure what my reaction would be.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Im back and feeling better, yay! I still feel bad about having to stop my involvement in the game.
I only read the last few days so far, and im appalled at the last day, lynch with the first few post. *facepalm*
Agreed.
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I am VERY glad to hear that! And yeah, so close, but yet so far. *sigh*
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Thanks, guys!
Thanks for checking back in, Reya & jd.
This game was also a learning experience for me in terms of what types of roles are needed for a balanced setup. I've said it multiple times, but the town really needed a protective role and the scum really needed a roleblocker. The lack of those roles kind of balance each other out (the scum have a doctor so they are supposed to feel relatively safe killing the claimed cop, unless the JoAT uses his protection shot) but relying on everything to fall into place when any number of things could have happened wasn't a good idea. Knowledge internalized.
Anyways like i said before great game and next time you run anything non basic ill run to the chance to join.
I forgot to mention that part of the reason I wrote the setup the way I did was because the "good guys" were the mafia and the "bad guys" were the town. As a result, it made more sense flavorfully for the "good guys" to have a doctor and the "bad guys" to have a roleblocker.
The setup was supposed to feel weird; there is nothing normal about the subject matter. The Angels seem to be these bizarre, unfathomable lifeforms, but in actuality they are essentially distant cousins of humans, the Lilim. In the end, the battle is not between humans and Angels, but one pitting humans against each other, ultimately with humans fighting their own natures in an attempt to account for the ugliness of their souls. Shinji's decision to reject Instrumentality allowed people to emerge from LCL, but it is telling that only those with sufficient willpower could manifest as independent individuals.
One interpretation of End of Evangelion that I ascribe to is as follows: We are obligated to live life to the fullest and become the best people we can be, thus precipitating out of the collective humanity able and willing to change the world for the better.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
When i originally read this i was pissed, more than that, i was irate. Had I responded it back there I would be forever banned from this site because things were gonna get ugly.
Now that time has passed and i calmed down want to address this terrible of a post.
1)you don't know ****, you talk like you know everything but you obviously don't. You are not infallible, in fact you are a terrible person, harmful to the community, it's not because you are a veteran you can talk like this to the newer players, I still remember what you said to poggy, you should've been banned from that.
2)I'm not quitting anymore, I like this game and this site. I'm not quitting because of you either, also i want to make your life hell if possible.
Let me give some opinions/information for you and the critics.
1)falkonn did not play that terribly (at least after i replaced). Taking 2 days for placing the hammer is not bad play. Since when everyone is supposed to be 24/7 here? Some people have life, having more time disponible does not make anyone a better players than others. Plus shooting Zinda was a great shot, had he shot me or Tanarin he would certainly lose on lylo against Zinda. Props to you Falkonn.
2)I was never sure Tanarin was scum, I just came in the day attacking him to provoke and gauge reactions, unfortunately Tanarin did not react well, town should never come voting on lylo.
3)Zinda, actually i did notice your attack on Tanarin was a fake, but i believed you were suspitious of me... I was afraid to engage you on last day, because i knew my chances were pretty slim against you, also i was afraid what my predecessors did. You are not the one to blame, certainly you were town MVP, it was not your fault at all that i expressed suspition of Tanarin, it was a ruse.
4)I didn't want to replace into this game, I was playing on three games when i replaced in, this was my fourth and i really hadn't time to reread it, AI just assured me no extensive rereading was necessary, just the mass claim. "but why did you enter a game if you had no time to dedicate to it?" because:
5) I was one of the original subscribers, after being randomed out I noticed how frantic the pace of this game was, and I hate spammers more than anything so I gave up playing and stopped following. AI still PMed me 4 or 5 times asking for replacements and i refused them all. Sometime later I noticed AI was modkilling players like a machine gun and i sympathized with him. One because i consider him one of the nicest guys around here, two because I didn't want to see such a nice game get destroyed because of lurky players so i PMed him "I don't want to enter this game, but if you need another replacement and after extensive searching none is available i will replace in, do not modkill anymore". Sometime later he said he needed me and the rest is history.
6)I was wary of falkonn and TIK shenanigans as scum, i was scum with both of them on final fantasy mafia and i know how strongly they can bus each other, they even "counterclaimed" themselves back there and both lived to tell the tale!
7)I would reread the whole game, had Tanarin gave me time to it, considering the things others have said about falkonn interactions with scum I do believe I would correctly identify him as scum.
So please die cyan.
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.