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A) Fishing is more of asking for information discretely. Or attempting to get more information than needs be revealed.
B) Its not a scum tell. Town members do it too.
Ok on to the second point.
I am not looking to reveal the town power roles.. Yes this is a bad side effect of this plan, but its a lot of WIFOM. If for example we have a doctor the doctor can protect the power roles. The same goes for the watcher if we have one. Mass claiming does reveal our power roles but it also narrows the groups for our power roles to use their abilities. For example I would much rather have our cop investigating a claimed vanilla then our doctor.
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Nice lurking and adding nothing to the discussion.
Lurk I did nothing of the like. Also I made a funny which added to the humor. Now your post that I'm quoting that adds NOTHING to the discussion. Actually it does. I am discussing it right now. Anyway ever heard of a joke before?
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I am not looking to reveal the town power roles.. Yes this is a bad side effect of this plan, but its a lot of WIFOM. If for example we have a doctor the doctor can protect the power roles. The same goes for the watcher if we have one. Mass claiming does reveal our power roles but it also narrows the groups for our power roles to use their abilities. For example I would much rather have our cop investigating a claimed vanilla then our doctor.
It also narrows down who the scum have to kill significantly.
I am not looking to reveal the town power roles.. Yes this is a bad side effect of this plan, but its a lot of WIFOM. If for example we have a doctor the doctor can protect the power roles. The same goes for the watcher if we have one. Mass claiming does reveal our power roles but it also narrows the groups for our power roles to use their abilities. For example I would much rather have our cop investigating a claimed vanilla then our doctor.
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I know this is gonna be wifomy as hell, but odds are the scum would kill the doctor first.
@Reya: Gonna contribute anytime soon? Especially since a question was directed to the general playerbase.
I'm against the claim. I like name claims when we don't have enough info. I think we should just keep on going from here.
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It also narrows down who the scum have to kill significantly.
Yes it also narrows down who our protection roles have to protect.
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I know this is gonna be wifomy as hell, but odds are the scum would kill the doctor first.
Yes.... But it is WIFOMY as hell because what if the doctor protects them self? I agree that it is WIFOMY.... But it allows major information for the town. It also allows us to lock the scum into claims day one. It provides us with the ability to look at our collective resources and come up with a plan day one. All major benefits to us.
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"Hey guys I tried to pull a fast one on the noobs and get people to start claiming.
But it didn`t work so I`m gonna start attacking players who don`t agree with it."
For reals? Ok kid. Lets talk here. You have not given one good reason to be against it. You have only ad hom attacked. Your attacks are pathetic on top of that. You are probably one of the kids that blatantly claims allegiance to Anonymous. Lets have a discussion.
Question still stands. Why are you against it?
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I'm against the claim. I like name claims when we don't have enough info. I think we should just keep on going from here.
No. If we do that we might as well claim our roles. It is blatantlyobvious to me with my role that if we do we must go all the way.
Last time I checked, scum are given fakeclaims. Also Scum are also generally given abilities, ones that can go on townies. Mods generally make massclaiming D1 a bad idea.
I read the post suggesting the massclaim, tommorrow I'll look at things more thoroughly.
Last time I checked, scum are given fakeclaims. Also Scum are also generally given abilities, ones that can go on townies. Mods generally make massclaiming D1 a bad idea.
I read the post suggesting the massclaim, tommorrow I'll look at things more thoroughly.
Not always. I have played in mostly basics, but most of the scum teams I have seen afterwards did not have false claims. I am not too familiar with the anime, so it may or may not have a false claim.
For the record, I am against the full claim, but would be behind a name claim, just to test the theory. AI did a really good job modding 29 with PRS not being obvious, so I think we could nameclaim without giving away PRs, just to test the flase claim theory.
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Actually no the scum are not provided with a good fake claim.
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Mass-Produced Evangelion Unit 14
Notice the number? The scum don't know what numbers are in the game.... Basically when fake claiming vanilla they will get screwed by not knowing the numbers and allow counter claims... This only enforces my belief that this is the correct decision to make.
@Deaths Vampire: Since when can a doc protect himself? Usually protect can't target yourself in most games.
On the shalako not giving a reason, I think you QUOTED his reason that he is against a Mass claim right now in your own post.
Well then that is a new trend... Because I can't think of a game where a doc couldn't protect himself. Hell I was a doc one and I screwed my team over by doing so.
And Shalako didn't give a reason to be against the mass claim. Instead, all he did was poke at my reason for being for it. IE. He was against it before then but only attacked a reason later stated by me. He has provided no reason for his initial attack on a mass-claim.
So after realizing that there are numbers with these names I am PRO-Mass claim. And Pro-name claim.
Well I am assuming that only vanillas have numbers..... So you have just revealed yourself to be a power role.... In my mind. And no me saying this in thread isn't anti-town. Any semi competent mafia would figure this out.
im not sure im buying this, do we want to have a vanilla cc this?
Which is why a mass claim needs to have a majority decision. But if I am right... I am thinking that claiming vanilla as the mafia has just become really hard. IE super benefit to the town.
Yes it also narrows down who our protection roles have to protect.
Night one the doctor/Watcher is going to be roleblocked/whatever and the cop is getting shot/Whatever.
Where does that put us?
Horribly behind for no reason.
Yes.... But it is WIFOMY as hell because what if the doctor protects them self? I agree that it is WIFOMY.... But it allows major information for the town. It also allows us to lock the scum into claims day one. It provides us with the ability to look at our collective resources and come up with a plan day one. All major benefits to us.
1. It`s not even sure the doc can self-protect.
2. Locking scum into roles is not worth outing all of our roles
For reals? Ok kid. Lets talk here. You have not given one good reason to be against it. You have only ad hom attacked. Your attacks are pathetic on top of that. You are probably one of the kids that blatantly claims allegiance to Anonymous.
Actually no the scum are not provided with a good fake claim.
Do you have anything to back this up besides mod-gaming?
Notice the number? The scum don't know what numbers are in the game.... Basically when fake claiming vanilla they will get screwed by not knowing the numbers and allow counter claims... This only enforces my belief that this is the correct decision to make.
There are so many anti-nerv things in the game.
Selle.
Lilith
Adam
Shinji's Dad(maybe)
Angels
Selle special troops.
Possibly the longious lance or whatever it is called.
The Mass-produced Eva's.
Shinji(maybe?? depending on timeline)
AND
how do you know that all Mass-Produced Evangelion Units are vanilla?
That's right you don`t.
Well I am assuming that only vanillas have numbers..... So you have just revealed yourself to be a power role.... In my mind. And no me saying this in thread isn't anti-town. Any semi competent mafia would figure this out.
Why would you make that assumption? In the show the 3 main ones have numbers.
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Do you have anything to back this up besides mod-gaming?
Yes/no I am assuming that the good fake claim that he was referring to was that one of the front page. Also, this is a normal game to provide such a good fake claim with little to no investigation roles is simply unfair.
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Selle.
Lilith
Adam
Shinji's Dad(maybe)
Angels
Selle special troops.
Possibly the longious lance or whatever it is called.
The Mass-produced Eva's.
Shinji(maybe?? depending on timeline)
AND
how do you know that all Mass-Produced Evangelion Units are vanilla?
One could assume that since the opening page gave us a vanilla and stated that is what a vanilla looked like that all with the same name would be vanilla. If X is X and there are X roles in the game then one would assume that all with X are the same.
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It's outing roles for little to no benefit.
I have given you numerous reasons to why it benefits the town. Yes there are detriments but the pro-town reasons out weigh the anti-town reasons. There for this action must be seen as pro town.
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Night one the doctor/Watcher is going to be roleblocked/whatever and the cop is getting shot/Whatever.
Where does that put us?
Horribly behind for no reason.
Aren't you gaming the mod assuming a roleblocker/whatever? And that we have only 3 power roles in a 20 person game? This seems like a broad generalization.
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But it didn`t work so I`m gonna start attacking players who don`t agree with it."
This is the last time I bring this up. You started it. Not me. So drop it you hypocrite.
I'm keeping my vote right where it is. I do not like where vampire is taking this thread at all. Unless I get a bigger scum read on someone I think leaving it here is best.
Yes/no I am assuming that the good fake claim that he was referring to was that one of the front page. Also, this is a normal game to provide such a good fake claim with little to no investigation roles is simply unfair.
Why would you make that assumption? In the show the 3 main ones have numbers.
Really?.... Well my knowledge of the show is awful.... I have watched like 1/3 of the show. What I meant was that the numbers for the vanillas should be the same.
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DV why did you fold to Poggy dude so fast?
Because hes my scum buddy!
But really I am proposing something that is very controversial. If I am not open about what I am asking/I saw no harm in revealing what I did then what does that say about my plan if I myself am not willing to agree to it?
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note: i read this as a slip
He stated it as though it was a definitive thing that was stated. I saw what I interpreted as what he saw. IE the post on the front page, and I argued that what he said was not true. I shouldn't have stated it as I did, but its to late now.
I'm keeping my vote right where it is. I do not like where vampire is taking this thread at all. Unless I get a bigger scum read on someone I think leaving it here is best.
I fail to see what I am proposing to be scummy. You seem to just be band wagoning.
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Last I checked, that is gaming the mod as well.
Sure, lets just assume then that the mafia possibly have the ability to kill 10 people at once too. Mafia theory exists for a reason. To say that X is gaming the mod and Y isn't is just a joke really. There is a fine line to gaming the mod. This is not it. This is mafia theory. IE a difference.
@DV: Bandwagoning? Last I checked I was the 2nd vote on you, I hardly call that a bandwagon or bandwagoning.
I would like to note that you have yet to impact why my actions are anti-town.
Secondly, just because you were second to vote doesn't mean that you are not just going with the flow.
Thirdly, if you really thought I was scum you would have impacted here to prove your point. You did not. Instead you jumped to your own defense. This means that you are not looking to lynch scum, but simply looking to protect your self.
Yes/no I am assuming that the good fake claim that he was referring to was that one of the front page. Also, this is a normal game to provide such a good fake claim with little to no investigation roles is simply unfair.
So yes; you are completely mod-gaming.
One could assume that since the opening page gave us a vanilla and stated that is what a vanilla looked like that all with the same name would be vanilla. If X is X and there are X roles in the game then one would assume that all with X are the same.
Really Really mod-gaming.
I have given you numerous reasons to why it benefits the town. Yes there are detriments but the pro-town reasons out weigh the anti-town reasons. There for this action must be seen as pro town.
And that`s why every game mass claims day one right:rolleyes:
Aren't you gaming the mod assuming a roleblocker/whatever? And that we have only 3 power roles in a 20 person game? This seems like a broad generalization.
1. Protective roles.
2. Investigative roles.
Vs.
Mafia Roles that typically mess with town roles.
And what if the doc is Mafia like in TF2 mafia?
This is the last time I bring this up. You started it. Not me. So drop it you hypocrite.
Hey look more attacking people who don`t agree with you.
And you are wrong. I was showing you I viewed your post. You are ad homing and trying to make me look bad so your plan looks less awful.
Because hes my scum buddy!
But really I am proposing something that is very controversial. If I am not open about what I am asking/I saw no harm in revealing what I did then what does that say about my plan if I myself am not willing to agree to it?
Claiming because one person asks you to screams of trying to earn townie points.
And that`s why every game mass claims day one right
No they are not generally done. I used to be opposed to them. But I think this one has merit. I actually think that it is a great move by the town on day one. Mass claims after words just make it easy for the mafia to fake claim. They are a joke and are only detrimental to the town.
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Hey look more attacking people who don`t agree with you.
Not an attack it was a statement. Which you are continuing.
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1. Protective roles.
2. Investigative roles.
Vs.
Mafia Roles that typically mess with town roles.
And what if the doc is Mafia like in TF2 mafia?
Game the mod more.... PLEASE. If it is a viable reason for you to dismiss what I say that it is viable for me to do the same.
Heh, didn't see your post asking for my experience Shalako. I do have a bit on here (See random mafia 2 or 3, forget which one ATM.) Mainly play IRC on #mafia these days though.
And you are wrong. I was showing you I viewed your post. You are ad homing and trying to make me look bad so your plan looks less awful.
Wait why is my plan bad? You have only ad hom attacked me..... Your the one ad homing here. Lets play a game called look at your posts.
"Hey guys let's all name claim in a flavor heavy game where only certain and few roles could be protective. Oh and I just happen to be in the Exact middle of the way I want to claim"
AD hom.
"Hey guys I tried to pull a fast one on the noobs and get people to start claiming.
But it didn`t work so I`m gonna start attacking players who don`t agree with it."
Ad hom
Hey look more attacking people who don`t agree with you.
And you are wrong. I was showing you I viewed your post. You are ad homing and trying to make me look bad so your plan looks less awful.
Pretty close to ad hom....
So yeah. Lets stop this please. You just keep trying to get the last word in here. You are in the wrong good sir. I would ask you to stop, because frankly you are not going to get the last word in with me.
Heh, didn't see your post asking for my experience Shalako. I do have a bit on here (See random mafia 2 or 3, forget which one ATM.) Mainly play IRC on #mafia these days though.
A) You shouldn't have to give your experience. Your view should be respected no matter what.
B) No response to my attack? You really seem to be just trying to go with the flow and in plain sight lurk. A typical scum tactic.
Simple fact is, an early massclaim here is very, very wrong. Let's put out the pros and the cons into a list for EVERYONE to read:
Pros:
Locks Scum into early claims.
Allows for town to counterclaim should scum claim a townie's role
Gives any inspection roles an idea as to who to look at. Also gives any vigs potential targets on who to shoot.
Cons:
Could result in townies getting needlessly lynched trying to decern on which half of counterclaim is the right half. This is especially bad should we not have any vigs in the town.
Gives Scum a point by point order on which townies to eliminate.
Could make the 1st day needlessly confusing for everyone.
I am sure I am missing stuff here and I do ask that both sides of the argument add to THIS LIST. That way everyone can see and once the list is compiled we can then decide if a massclaim is appropriate should the pros start to outweigh the cons.
Could result in townies getting needlessly lynched trying to decern on which half of counterclaim is the right half. This is especially bad should we not have any vigs in the town.
No, a 1 for 1 trade is great. I will always take a 1 for 1 trade for scum.
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Gives Scum a point by point order on which townies to eliminate.
True but this is countered by major WIFOM and allows for the town to use our roles to the maximum use.
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Could make the 1st day needlessly confusing for everyone.
Ummm..... Yeah this is an awful point against it.... Furthermore this should go as a positive because it takes the scum off guard. It literally puts them into decision making moves now. Not the slow decisions that they get to make normally.
To add for positives.
A good probability that claiming vanilla is extremely hard for the scum.
Allows the town to maximize their power roles.
Makes the scum panic.
No they are not generally done. I used to be opposed to them. But I think this one has merit. I actually think that it is a great move by the town on day one. Mass claims after words just make it easy for the mafia to fake claim. They are a joke and are only detrimental to the town.
My opinion differs here.
Mass claims day one are bad and your stance is bad because you are working on information that may be fallacious.
Or you are scum trying to hurt the town.
Game the mod more.... PLEASE. If it is a viable reason for you to dismiss what I say that it is viable for me to do the same.
Wait why is my plan bad? You have only ad hom attacked me..... Your the one ad homing here. Lets play a game called look at your posts.
AD hom.
Ad hom
Pretty close to ad hom....
So yeah. Lets stop this please. You just keep trying to get the last word in here. You are in the wrong good sir. I would ask you to stop, because frankly you are not going to get the last word in with me.
Heh, didn't see your post asking for my experience Shalako. I do have a bit on here (See random mafia 2 or 3, forget which one ATM.) Mainly play IRC on #mafia these days though.
A) You shouldn't have to give your experience. Your view should be respected no matter what.
B) No response to my attack? You really seem to be just trying to go with the flow and in plain sight lurk. A typical scum tactic.
On point A. Why do you think I asked him for his experience?
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B) Its not a scum tell. Town members do it too.
Ok on to the second point.
I am not looking to reveal the town power roles.. Yes this is a bad side effect of this plan, but its a lot of WIFOM. If for example we have a doctor the doctor can protect the power roles. The same goes for the watcher if we have one. Mass claiming does reveal our power roles but it also narrows the groups for our power roles to use their abilities. For example I would much rather have our cop investigating a claimed vanilla then our doctor.
Nice lurking and adding nothing to the discussion.
Lurk I did nothing of the like. Also I made a funny which added to the humor. Now your post that I'm quoting that adds NOTHING to the discussion. Actually it does. I am discussing it right now. Anyway ever heard of a joke before?
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But it didn`t work so I`m gonna start attacking players who don`t agree with it."
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It also narrows down who the scum have to kill significantly.
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I know this is gonna be wifomy as hell, but odds are the scum would kill the doctor first.
@Reya: Gonna contribute anytime soon? Especially since a question was directed to the general playerbase.
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Yes it also narrows down who our protection roles have to protect.
Yes.... But it is WIFOMY as hell because what if the doctor protects them self? I agree that it is WIFOMY.... But it allows major information for the town. It also allows us to lock the scum into claims day one. It provides us with the ability to look at our collective resources and come up with a plan day one. All major benefits to us.
For reals? Ok kid. Lets talk here. You have not given one good reason to be against it. You have only ad hom attacked. Your attacks are pathetic on top of that. You are probably one of the kids that blatantly claims allegiance to Anonymous. Lets have a discussion.
Question still stands. Why are you against it?
No. If we do that we might as well claim our roles. It is blatantlyobvious to me with my role that if we do we must go all the way.
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I read the post suggesting the massclaim, tommorrow I'll look at things more thoroughly.
Not always. I have played in mostly basics, but most of the scum teams I have seen afterwards did not have false claims. I am not too familiar with the anime, so it may or may not have a false claim.
For the record, I am against the full claim, but would be behind a name claim, just to test the theory. AI did a really good job modding 29 with PRS not being obvious, so I think we could nameclaim without giving away PRs, just to test the flase claim theory.
TIK would be preferred. I am The Ice King, not The Ice Cream King.
Think we are done here, if anyone follows poggy. Unvote Zindabad, I feel like we are getting to more serious posts.
To an extent, I find it irritating as well.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
On the shalako not giving a reason, I think you QUOTED his reason that he is against a Mass claim right now in your own post.
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Notice the number? The scum don't know what numbers are in the game.... Basically when fake claiming vanilla they will get screwed by not knowing the numbers and allow counter claims... This only enforces my belief that this is the correct decision to make.
WHAT IS YOUR NUMBER DEATHS VAMPIRE
Well then that is a new trend... Because I can't think of a game where a doc couldn't protect himself. Hell I was a doc one and I screwed my team over by doing so.
And Shalako didn't give a reason to be against the mass claim. Instead, all he did was poke at my reason for being for it. IE. He was against it before then but only attacked a reason later stated by me. He has provided no reason for his initial attack on a mass-claim.
So after realizing that there are numbers with these names I am PRO-Mass claim. And Pro-name claim.
Sure I'll bite. I am number 10.
who else has a number?
ill start: i do not have a number
im not sure im buying this, do we want to have a vanilla cc this?
Which is why a mass claim needs to have a majority decision. But if I am right... I am thinking that claiming vanilla as the mafia has just become really hard. IE super benefit to the town.
Night one the doctor/Watcher is going to be roleblocked/whatever and the cop is getting shot/Whatever.
Where does that put us?
Horribly behind for no reason.
1. It`s not even sure the doc can self-protect.
2. Locking scum into roles is not worth outing all of our roles
It's outing roles for little to no benefit.
Do you have anything to back this up besides mod-gaming?
There are so many anti-nerv things in the game.
Selle.
Lilith
Adam
Shinji's Dad(maybe)
Angels
Selle special troops.
Possibly the longious lance or whatever it is called.
The Mass-produced Eva's.
Shinji(maybe?? depending on timeline)
AND
how do you know that all Mass-Produced Evangelion Units are vanilla?
That's right you don`t.
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Stop dumping info into the thread.
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note: i read this as a slip
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Why would you make that assumption? In the show the 3 main ones have numbers.
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Yes/no I am assuming that the good fake claim that he was referring to was that one of the front page. Also, this is a normal game to provide such a good fake claim with little to no investigation roles is simply unfair.
One could assume that since the opening page gave us a vanilla and stated that is what a vanilla looked like that all with the same name would be vanilla. If X is X and there are X roles in the game then one would assume that all with X are the same.
I have given you numerous reasons to why it benefits the town. Yes there are detriments but the pro-town reasons out weigh the anti-town reasons. There for this action must be seen as pro town.
Aren't you gaming the mod assuming a roleblocker/whatever? And that we have only 3 power roles in a 20 person game? This seems like a broad generalization.
This is the last time I bring this up. You started it. Not me. So drop it you hypocrite.
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Look at Vamp king's last post. Kettle calling Pot black much? If people need it pointed out:
Last I checked, that is gaming the mod as well.
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I don't have a definite read, but I know that I don't want to massclaim on D1
Really?.... Well my knowledge of the show is awful.... I have watched like 1/3 of the show. What I meant was that the numbers for the vanillas should be the same.
Because hes my scum buddy!
But really I am proposing something that is very controversial. If I am not open about what I am asking/I saw no harm in revealing what I did then what does that say about my plan if I myself am not willing to agree to it?
He stated it as though it was a definitive thing that was stated. I saw what I interpreted as what he saw. IE the post on the front page, and I argued that what he said was not true. I shouldn't have stated it as I did, but its to late now.
I fail to see what I am proposing to be scummy. You seem to just be band wagoning.
Sure, lets just assume then that the mafia possibly have the ability to kill 10 people at once too. Mafia theory exists for a reason. To say that X is gaming the mod and Y isn't is just a joke really. There is a fine line to gaming the mod. This is not it. This is mafia theory. IE a difference.
Numbers do not confer being correct.
IE Middle ages people thought the world was flat... They were wrong.
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I would like to note that you have yet to impact why my actions are anti-town.
Secondly, just because you were second to vote doesn't mean that you are not just going with the flow.
Thirdly, if you really thought I was scum you would have impacted here to prove your point. You did not. Instead you jumped to your own defense. This means that you are not looking to lynch scum, but simply looking to protect your self.
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With 22 alive, it's 12 votes to lynch.
So yes; you are completely mod-gaming.
Really Really mod-gaming.
And that`s why every game mass claims day one right:rolleyes:
1. Protective roles.
2. Investigative roles.
Vs.
Mafia Roles that typically mess with town roles.
And what if the doc is Mafia like in TF2 mafia?
Hey look more attacking people who don`t agree with you.
And you are wrong. I was showing you I viewed your post. You are ad homing and trying to make me look bad so your plan looks less awful.
Claiming because one person asks you to screams of trying to earn townie points.
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Lynch please.
[Mafia Stats] Mafia MVP: 1/3 Basic #29,Co-[CCMV]
No they are not generally done. I used to be opposed to them. But I think this one has merit. I actually think that it is a great move by the town on day one. Mass claims after words just make it easy for the mafia to fake claim. They are a joke and are only detrimental to the town.
Not an attack it was a statement. Which you are continuing.
Game the mod more.... PLEASE. If it is a viable reason for you to dismiss what I say that it is viable for me to do the same.
MORE OMGUS FROM Shalako lynch him next please.
WOW that took a lot of brain power.
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Wait why is my plan bad? You have only ad hom attacked me..... Your the one ad homing here. Lets play a game called look at your posts.
AD hom.
Ad hom
Pretty close to ad hom....
So yeah. Lets stop this please. You just keep trying to get the last word in here. You are in the wrong good sir. I would ask you to stop, because frankly you are not going to get the last word in with me.
A) You shouldn't have to give your experience. Your view should be respected no matter what.
B) No response to my attack? You really seem to be just trying to go with the flow and in plain sight lurk. A typical scum tactic.
Pros:
Locks Scum into early claims.
Allows for town to counterclaim should scum claim a townie's role
Gives any inspection roles an idea as to who to look at. Also gives any vigs potential targets on who to shoot.
Cons:
Could result in townies getting needlessly lynched trying to decern on which half of counterclaim is the right half. This is especially bad should we not have any vigs in the town.
Gives Scum a point by point order on which townies to eliminate.
Could make the 1st day needlessly confusing for everyone.
I am sure I am missing stuff here and I do ask that both sides of the argument add to THIS LIST. That way everyone can see and once the list is compiled we can then decide if a massclaim is appropriate should the pros start to outweigh the cons.
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No, a 1 for 1 trade is great. I will always take a 1 for 1 trade for scum.
True but this is countered by major WIFOM and allows for the town to use our roles to the maximum use.
Ummm..... Yeah this is an awful point against it.... Furthermore this should go as a positive because it takes the scum off guard. It literally puts them into decision making moves now. Not the slow decisions that they get to make normally.
To add for positives.
A good probability that claiming vanilla is extremely hard for the scum.
Allows the town to maximize their power roles.
Makes the scum panic.
Also a very good townie post by Tanarin.
My opinion differs here.
Mass claims day one are bad and your stance is bad because you are working on information that may be fallacious.
Or you are scum trying to hurt the town.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
You voted me after I voted you.
You voted him after he voted you.
Obvious OMGUS is obvious.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
Thanks.
On point A. Why do you think I asked him for his experience?
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You want to basically hand the scum a list of who to kill and when. THAT is bad and scummy.
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