On point A. Why do you think I asked him for his experience?
To reasons. A) To discredit him. Or B) To give him an out for bad behavior. Neither of these are allowable or good reasons to me. Experience doesn't matter.
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Game the mod more.... PLEASE. If it is a viable reason for you to dismiss what I say that it is viable for me to do the same. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
This isn't an Ad hom.....
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Wait why is my plan bad? You have only ad hom attacked me..... Your the one ad homing here. Lets play a game called look at your posts.
AD hom.
Ad hom
Pretty close to ad hom....
So yeah. Lets stop this please. You just keep trying to get the last word in here. You are in the wrong good sir. I would ask you to stop, because frankly you are not going to get the last word in with me.
Neither is this. And frankly you didn't dispute that fact that you started Ad homing.
Then why are you voting him? You are just reeking of trying to appease your attacker.
I operate on a point system/gut system. When some one rubs me the wrong way I vote them. Just because they make one townie post doesn't make them town. Neither does making one scummy post. I also put pressure on people to make them either mess up or not.
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You want to basically hand the scum a list of who to kill and when. THAT is bad and scummy.
To reasons. A) To discredit him. Or B) To give him an out for bad behavior. Neither of these are allowable or good reasons to me. Experience doesn't matter.
@poggydude: Why are you so afraid of the RVS stage? Info can be gleaned in all the chaos. Not only that, the bad pun (Possible scum slip) kinda worries me.
Also the conversation between Zin and Vezo is not too pleasing as well. Especially with his first comment at the beginning of post #17 in reply to Vezo's comment. Actually I am kinda shocked EP did not catch that as well.
@poggydude: Would you agree though that important info could be gained during this step? If so, then wouldn't your witholding from RVS be seen as scummy?
@poggydude: Umm I'm not voting you. FoS? Yes. Voting? No. Anyway the lack of participation in RVS is not THAT big of an issue for me. Just trying to get some conversation going here, which it looks like I have done. Not even the bad pun is that bad to me TBH. Could it be a scumslip? Maybe, but it is certainly not worth raising a fuss over now unless you really start to ping my scum radar, which you have not.
@supermoo about Zin: Sometimes it takes a bit of aggressiveness to get out of RVS.
These posts indicate that he is experienced with the game. I've never played a game with him before so I was asking.
This isn't an Ad hom.....
Neither is this. And frankly you didn't dispute that fact that you started Ad homing.
I did dispute it so I have no idea what you are talking about.
I operate on a point system/gut system. When some one rubs me the wrong way I vote them. Just because they make one townie post doesn't make them town. Neither does making one scummy post. I also put pressure on people to make them either mess up or not.
Last time I checked, scum are given fakeclaims. Also Scum are also generally given abilities, ones that can go on townies. Mods generally make massclaiming D1 a bad idea.
Based on the way the town/scum forces are supposed to be Anti-NERV and NERV respectively, I'm also inclined to believe the scum have false claims available to them this game.
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A good probability that claiming vanilla is extremely hard for the scum.
Allows the town to maximize their power roles.
Makes the scum panic.
Re: the first - Why? Last I checked this is a normal game, multiple vanilla roles wouldn't be that uncommon.
Re: the second - How does it maximize the town's power roles? If anything it might divert those power roles away from the scum they should be used on if the 1st is true.
Re: the third - Why would the scum panic over a day 1 massclaim? They start out with more information than the town, (they know who's on their team) and unless the entire team is woefully inexperienced, probably used the pregame to hash out a plan to use a D1 MC to their advantage. (assuming they don't have access to things like daytalk)
Re: the first - Why? Last I checked this is a normal game, multiple vanilla roles wouldn't be that uncommon.
This is under the assumption that the vanillas are like the front page one.
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Mass-Produced Evangelion Unit 14
Anti-NERV Vanilla
Special Ability: None.
Win Condition: You win when all hostile players are eliminated.
Flavor: You are controlled by a Dummy Plug utilizing the thought patterns of Kaworu Nagisa, The Fifth Child, also known as Tabris, Angel of Free Will. However, you possess none of his charm. Your sole purpose is the destruction of NERV.
IE the number system making it hard for them to claim.
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Re: the second - How does it maximize the town's power roles? If anything it might divert those power roles away from the scum they should be used on if the 1st is true.
Come on... We all know that lone vig's / cops / doctors make bad decisions. For an experienced played doing this look at the first Amis game he literally lost us that game.
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Re: the third - Why would the scum panic over a day 1 massclaim? They start out with more information than the town, (they know who's on their team) and unless the entire team is woefully inexperienced, probably used the pregame to hash out a plan to use a D1 MC to their advantage. (assuming they don't have access to things like daytalk)
But they always start with more information. And while we are totally in the dark. This evens the playing fields and locks them into a role right now before they can decide what is a good claim. It is to our advantage.
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'm also inclined to believe the scum have false claims available to them this game.
Why? I am not... I really feel like I deserve at least some respect at gaming the mod. I am rarely wrong with these things.
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In other news, who likes waffles?
I don't like syrup... Waffles need that... So no. But yeah I saw where you were going with that.
For reals? Ok kid. Lets talk here. You have not given one good reason to be against it. You have only ad hom attacked. Your attacks are pathetic on top of that. You are probably one of the kids that blatantly claims allegiance to Anonymous. Lets have a discussion.
Question still stands. Why are you against it?
O ok! So you accept my logic! Why are you voting me.....?
Because you didn`t move your vote to me.
The largest reason you have for mass claiming is fallacious at best.
This is under the assumption that the vanillas are like the front page one.
IE the number system making it hard for them to claim.
IE modgaming.
Come on... We all know that lone vig's / cops / doctors make bad decisions. For an experienced played doing this look at the first Amis game he literally lost us that game.
Nice fearmongering.
The Ice King:
Do you still favor Name claiming with the information in the thread now?
The largest reason you have for mass claiming is fallacious at best.
WHY? The world is flat.
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umm I told you "" means how I view the post.
Why we stop trolling? U madz bro?
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You don`t get to cry mod and post stuff like this:
You started it. I am finishing it. Get it? Good.
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This is like some kind of Frankenstein Strawman monster here.
You hadn`t even posted at that time.
But I have now and you haven't asked. And I am sure that there are others there too that fall under the same box as he did. But you singled him out. Why?
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IE modgaming.
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Mass-Produced Evangelion Unit 14
Anti-NERV Vanilla
Special Ability: None.
Win Condition: You win when all hostile players are eliminated.
Flavor: You are controlled by a Dummy Plug utilizing the thought patterns of Kaworu Nagisa, The Fifth Child, also known as Tabris, Angel of Free Will. However, you possess none of his charm. Your sole purpose is the destruction of NERV.
Sample role PM. Or is the mod just lying to us?
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Nice fearmongering.
Naw bro. Its true. This isn't fearmongering. People make lots of bad decisions.
A) Fishing is more of asking for information discretely. Or attempting to get more information than needs be revealed.
B) Its not a scum tell. Town members do it too.
I'm keeping my vote right where it is. I do not like where vampire is taking this thread at all. Unless I get a bigger scum read on someone I think leaving it here is best.
I think we need to move on, this claim stuff is obviously a terrible idea, and it's only distracting us. I don't remember DV being this bold as scum ever, but I do remember him being pretty umm "eccentric?" as a townie. I'm tempted to just ignore him for now. That said, he's been so distracting that it's hard to tell what is what...
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One for proposing a mass claim, that will result in the outing of the town's power roles.
Two for the almost immediate backpedal to a number claim, a claim that also seemed likely to out the town's power roles.
I'm totally against both idea's as locking the scum into roles in a normal doesn't seem like it would provide that big of an advantage.
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Smile your day could be worse, so I did smile and it was worse.
Why did you answer so quick on the number claim? Did you not see the potential for fishing?
I already answered this. Read the thread a little more carefully. But I will also add that I saw no harm in what I revealed. If someone see the harm please explain.
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Ok, but still the mass claim is an idea in which the town will lose, so you still have my vote.
Not Voting (7): bert, The Ice King, Sepiriel, ~Tilde~, Arcadic, desCoures, Weaver
Ummm AI, im pretty sure i bolded my Vote: The Ice King vote.... so not sure why im recorded as Not Voting.
Regardless: Unvote: The Ice King, as we are officially off the RVS now.
FoS: Deaths_Vampires, the whole claim idea, to me, seems awful as has been mentioned, his defense has been flailtastic and I just cannot see someone who has played before acting this badly.
I don't have the time right now to do a complete read of everything here (been mostly skimming) but hopefully ill be able to tonight or tomorrow, have Arcadic and dC posted already?
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Call me old fashioned, but an evil ascension to power just isn't the same without someone chanting faux Latin in the background.
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That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with strange eons even death may die.
In keeping with the series (the creator seems to have a love of semi-scientific cult/religious stuff) I'll be using my random post to win the game for us using numerology (I don't know anything about numerology other then what google search taught me in five minutes so this might be off).
These people are town.
2. poggydude
3. bert (chinese numerology)
7. falkonn
11. deathjoey
12. D_V (chinese again)
16. Weaver
20. Energetic Penguin
These people are scum.
5. zindabad
9. Tanarin
14. Luck_Norris
18. Arcadic
Particular attention should be paid to these people also. According to my amazing research we have a decent probability of finding the last scum in here and possible neutrals. It could also signify a particularly active townie.
1. Yanni
8.supermoo9999
10. TIK
17. ~tilde~
The people that are not listed are unknowns I think and should be treated as such.
My random vote goes too....
Vote: Zindabad
as the person on the scum list that I think is the most awesome?
Soooo, Proposing Mass Claim Day One by order on the list.
Thoughts?
Concerns?
This is a bad idea of bad ideas. Bad idea of the year, even.
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I'd like to hear zindabad and falkonn, in particular, comment on recent events. ~Tilde~ as well, for that matter.
Tanarin appears to be town.
(Tang is a brand of orange cordial. Doesn't taste very good.)
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Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...' Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
Just remembered the Tang mention, yeah it is a brand of powdered juice, what's more in the Movie The End of Evangelion a massive AT Field causes everyone to liquify into what can only be described as Tang, which is actually what i think Tilde was trying to make allusion to.
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That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with strange eons even death may die.
Why are you against it? Lets get some points going here.
A game breakable by mass-claim is a mod failure. In the absence of a complete breaking of the game, a mass-claim is almost always in favour of the scum.
I've never supported a massclaim in any game, and without some really strong reasons to, never will. Your reasons are weak.
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Esper Simperer; Even the court homonculi need someone to look down on.
Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...' Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
I'd like to hear zindabad and falkonn, in particular, comment on recent events. ~Tilde~ as well, for that matter.
'Kay!
Um... DV's acting reee~eealy scummy an' flailin' around a lot and seems a little too dangerously genre savvy for this game which is why I'm votin' him at the moment and I don't see that changin' anytime soon.
Besides that and Shakalo basically putting a counterpoint to DV pretty much every time he posts there ain't much else to say. I mean it's still early and there's random votin' stuff and things an' all to look at.
You putting a pointy finger of pointyness at a couple of people who did some random voting stuff but not doing anything on what you thought was a bad idea of bad ideas is kinda innn~nnterestin' though.
You are assuming that just because the Mass produced Unit in the Sample Role PM is Vanilla that means all Mass Produced Units are Vanilla.
We have no proof of that fact.
Why we stop trolling? U madz bro?
1.You need to learn the correct definition of trolling.
2. Iz Jelly.
You started it. I am finishing it. Get it? Good.
You also need to learn what starting something is.
If you mean rudimentary attack.
Then yes I started it.
But I have now and you haven't asked. And I am sure that there are others there too that fall under the same box as he did. But you singled him out. Why?
Because he is special.
In your case I'm assuming you are at least a fairly experienced player because you were in both Ogre and Doha.
Sample role PM. Or is the mod just lying to us?
Really? Just because the Mass Produced Unit in the role Pm is V.T. doesn't mean they all are.
Naw bro. Its true. This isn't fearmongering. People make lots of bad decisions.
Having the Whole Town guide the Doctor and the Cop is just about the worst move possible.
That makes no sense.... Explain.
All that foreplay you had with me lead up to nothing. You apparently don`t think I am scummy enough to vote.
Um... DV's acting reee~eealy scummy an' flailin' around a lot and seems a little too dangerously genre savvy for this game which is why I'm votin' him at the moment and I don't see that changin' anytime soon.
Pretty experienced but not good. Search me in these forums for an idea, also Orange Flower, Minineko, and Foxlnbpkqgz are all gimmicks, plus a few of games on 'scum and #mafia.
That said, I'm not actually very GOOD at this.
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A game breakable by mass-claim is a mod failure. In the absence of a complete breaking of the game, a mass-claim is almost always in favour of the scum.
I've never supported a massclaim in any game, and without some really strong reasons to, never will. Your reasons are weak.
Barn this to answer your question DV.
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Smile your day could be worse, so I did smile and it was worse.
I hate that you can read me so well but i can't do the same... where it not for [Conflux] i would think you town right now :(.
I must admit that the fact you always randomly declare my towniness in each game we have been together baffles me, specially when im usually not mentioned at all at the time of your post :p.
As far as claiming goes: As of right now I am against anyone not on Lynch Threshold (L-2) claiming, nothing much to say other than that.
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Oreo, Glazing people better than Dunkin' Donuts since 2009
That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with strange eons even death may die.
Who started this talk of a mass-claim?
I think we have our day 1 lynch.
Considering RVS has ended. Unvote
You coulda have at least tried to look at even the second page
Am I the only one who notices DV trying to buttercup tan? He gave him town points for nothing really.
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@DC: Honestly the only thing that's really been happening is DV's mass claim idea. I'm against that for reasons that have already been stated so I won't mention them again.
I think the people trying to string up DV for this are doing so on not enough evidence. I don't think I've played with him before, but I've read games he's been in and I'm pretty sure that he always acts a little wonky (I'm assuming right now all this aggressive DV stuff is a null tell). It does muddy the waters by taking over the conversation though.
I don't like how Yanni attempted to jump on DV's case, so he gets negative points.
I don't particularly like Poggy's and vezok's current playstyle, but I know poggy will grow out of it as the game goes on (this is a personal thing, not a point against them. I tend to like Poggy as a player once he starts posting for real. *buddy buddy*:D). Vezok will probably muddy the waters by acting scummy whether he is or not. I find him hopelessly impossible to read.
I liked bert's first post, and my first impression of him is a townie one.
Everyone else is for the most part null right now. And I don't tend to put much trust in my reads given how long the game has been going on.
I had no qualms with D_V asking about a massclaim, i do have plenty of problems with him pushing it so hard after it was shot down. I have issues with how he thinks the scum do not have false-claims, and issues with him thinking it will be hard to false-claim. His points FOR mass-claiming are coming from a view of knowledge. If he is scum, he knows that they have/have no falseclaims, which is setting up anyone with shaky claims for mis-lynch. He's also claiming his role supports a mass-claim.
DC's point is the point i am making against a Mass-Claim, any game broken by a mass-claim is not a real game. AI's a good sensible player and mod, this game cannot be broken by mass-claim. The question of a mass claim then is, do you want to play an all vanilla game after Day 3/4? That's essentially what a mass claim does in a normal setup. All vanilla's favor the scum.
I don't see anything town about how D_V has pushed this. Vote D_V.
A) Fishing is more of asking for information discretely. Or attempting to get more information than needs be revealed.
B) Its not a scum tell. Town members do it too.
Ok on to the second point.
I am not looking to reveal the town power roles.. Yes this is a bad side effect of this plan, but its a lot of WIFOM. If for example we have a doctor the doctor can protect the power roles. The same goes for the watcher if we have one. Mass claiming does reveal our power roles but it also narrows the groups for our power roles to use their abilities. For example I would much rather have our cop investigating a claimed vanilla then our doctor.
This doesn't work. The swcum can just kill any watchers, doctors and then kill our other Power roles. You're proposing a very bad plan, that works massively in the scumteam's favor.
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Not always. I have played in mostly basics, but most of the scum teams I have seen afterwards did not have false claims. I am not too familiar with the anime, so it may or may not have a false claim.
Game have to be fair and unbreakable by massclaim, the most common way to do this is to give the scumteam fakeclaims. Another is to use something which has a vast amount of fakeclaims that one could devise on there own, For example a Pokemon themed game. Or to use an unconventional scumteam so flavor is inert, making some of the heroes actually bad guys etc. Point is a fair mod will not allow a massclaim to ruin a game for scum.
For the record, I am against the full claim, but would be behind a name claim, just to test the theory. AI did a really good job modding 29 with PRS not being obvious, so I think we could nameclaim without giving away PRs, just to test the flase claim theory.
I don't see any benefit in this, even if rolenames don't hint at abilities.
Well then that is a new trend... Because I can't think of a game where a doc couldn't protect himself. Hell I was a doc one and I screwed my team over by doing so.
And Shalako didn't give a reason to be against the mass claim. Instead, all he did was poke at my reason for being for it. IE. He was against it before then but only attacked a reason later stated by me. He has provided no reason for his initial attack on a mass-claim.
So after realizing that there are numbers with these names I am PRO-Mass claim. And Pro-name claim.
Its standard where I come from that doc cant protect self. It may vary from site to site.
Responding to things as I read them, expect another post in a sec.
Wow, I don't check in for a day and a ton of posts happen! Let's catch up!
Mass claim = bad play. Maybe later in the game this would be useful, but in the beginning of the game? It's useless. The scum will just kill off all power roles and falseclaim town.
I fail to see what I am proposing to be scummy. You seem to just be band wagoning.
You're joking right. Yeah, let's just hand all our power roles over to scum on Day 1.
Sure, lets just assume then that the mafia possibly have the ability to kill 10 people at once too.
Such a role is not balanced. Roleblockers, doctors, cops, etc. are all balanced roles that are often used in setups.
Ok, DV just keeps arguing for a terribly bad move and is relying on the mod to have done a poor job of keeping this massclaim unbreakable, when its far more likely to just help scum alot. He's gaming the mod while attacking others for making reasonable assumptions. Can we please lynch him now?
Ummm no he isn't he is currently at 7 votes (counting yours), we are 22 alive so we need 12 so we are still missing 4 more votes for L-1, 3 for L-2 which is the standard claim range here.
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Oreo, Glazing people better than Dunkin' Donuts since 2009
That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with strange eons even death may die.
Why are we rushing to lynch DV? If he's scum he'll continue to mess up imo. We have almost no information if the day ends now. I'm pretty sure there are people that have only posted once.
EP: Would you be fine with the day ending with a DV lynch right now?
Pretty experienced but not good. Search me in these forums for an idea, also Orange Flower, Minineko, and Foxlnbpkqgz are all gimmicks, plus a few of games on 'scum and #mafia.
I was wondering why I didn't recognize your name but you seemed to be familiar with me.. Damn meow poster...
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Am I the only one who notices DV trying to buttercup tan? He gave him town points for nothing really.
Really? As soon as I read that post my gut went from scum to screaming townie. It was just a really townie post.
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Really? Just because the Mass Produced Unit in the role Pm is V.T. doesn't mean they all are.
Fair enough. It really is gaming the mod. But I am claiming that it is. As more roles die off you will probably see a trend. I will drop this for now until we get more information.
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I had no qualms with D_V asking about a massclaim, i do have plenty of problems with him pushing it so hard after it was shot down. I have issues with how he thinks the scum do not have false-claims, and issues with him thinking it will be hard to false-claim. His points FOR mass-claiming are coming from a view of knowledge. If he is scum, he knows that they have/have no falseclaims, which is setting up anyone with shaky claims for mis-lynch. He's also claiming his role supports a mass-claim.
Ugh... About this no mafia fake claims thing. I have played a lot of games, and I can only think of maybe 2? In which the mafia were given fake claims. This is a normal game which is another strike against giving them fake claims. I really just don't see it as possible it is to game breaking to me for a normal game.
I really don't like falkonn's posts as of late.... I need to think about it. Yes he in my opinion is being a voice of reason.... But is that because he is scum that knows I am town?
Also, yay for getting us out of RVS on page 2! God I hate that stuff.
Also, why is me sticking by my plan a scum tell? If I have a plan that I believe will help the town and I see flaws in others peoples arguments then shouldn't I defend my plan?
I really don't see any scum tells or anything anti-town in what I have done. A lot of people are say X is anti-town. But they are not impacting(explaining) why it is. This itself is inherently anti-town? Yes?
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To reasons. A) To discredit him. Or B) To give him an out for bad behavior. Neither of these are allowable or good reasons to me. Experience doesn't matter.
This isn't an Ad hom.....
Neither is this. And frankly you didn't dispute that fact that you started Ad homing.
SERIOUSLY STOP TROLLING.
I operate on a point system/gut system. When some one rubs me the wrong way I vote them. Just because they make one townie post doesn't make them town. Neither does making one scummy post. I also put pressure on people to make them either mess up or not.
And this is what I was looking for. Unvote
Wow...I asked because of this
I did dispute it so I have no idea what you are talking about.
QQ
Okay...:-/
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Based on the way the town/scum forces are supposed to be Anti-NERV and NERV respectively, I'm also inclined to believe the scum have false claims available to them this game.
Re: the first - Why? Last I checked this is a normal game, multiple vanilla roles wouldn't be that uncommon.
Re: the second - How does it maximize the town's power roles? If anything it might divert those power roles away from the scum they should be used on if the 1st is true.
Re: the third - Why would the scum panic over a day 1 massclaim? They start out with more information than the town, (they know who's on their team) and unless the entire team is woefully inexperienced, probably used the pregame to hash out a plan to use a D1 MC to their advantage. (assuming they don't have access to things like daytalk)
Vote Death's Vampire
In other news, who likes waffles?
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
Then why not ask me? You have never played with me before.
The fact that you think that you did is cute. It really is. Posting quotes means nothing without an impact. The world is flat. I win. ETC.
Really? God this is going to be a fun game..... Let's play cutie!
O ok! So you accept my logic! Why are you voting me.....?
This is under the assumption that the vanillas are like the front page one.
IE the number system making it hard for them to claim.
Come on... We all know that lone vig's / cops / doctors make bad decisions. For an experienced played doing this look at the first Amis game he literally lost us that game.
But they always start with more information. And while we are totally in the dark. This evens the playing fields and locks them into a role right now before they can decide what is a good claim. It is to our advantage.
Why? I am not... I really feel like I deserve at least some respect at gaming the mod. I am rarely wrong with these things.
I don't like syrup... Waffles need that... So no. But yeah I saw where you were going with that.
This is like some kind of Frankenstein Strawman monster here.
You hadn`t even posted at that time.
umm I told you "" means how I view the post.
You don`t get to cry mod and post stuff like this:
Because you didn`t move your vote to me.
The largest reason you have for mass claiming is fallacious at best.
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IE modgaming.
Nice fearmongering.
The Ice King:
Do you still favor Name claiming with the information in the thread now?
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WHY? The world is flat.
Why we stop trolling? U madz bro?
You started it. I am finishing it. Get it? Good.
But I have now and you haven't asked. And I am sure that there are others there too that fall under the same box as he did. But you singled him out. Why?
Sample role PM. Or is the mod just lying to us?
Naw bro. Its true. This isn't fearmongering. People make lots of bad decisions.
That makes no sense.... Explain.
vote zindabad
I... would... NEVER!
I think 98% of my posts are between Mafia, Rulings and Market Value. That's weird though because I've seen you..?
I HOPE this is a troll post.
Argh, no Joey, don't feed the trolls! Bad!
He's taking it a bit too far.
Oh no. He's not trolling after all is he...
THIS DOES NOT MATTER IF THE DOCTOR IS DEAD. HE CANNOT PROTECT HIMSELF.
OH NO YOU DID NOT JUST
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fff! =D
Breath of fresh air. Some sense!
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I think we need to move on, this claim stuff is obviously a terrible idea, and it's only distracting us. I don't remember DV being this bold as scum ever, but I do remember him being pretty umm "eccentric?" as a townie. I'm tempted to just ignore him for now. That said, he's been so distracting that it's hard to tell what is what...
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vote: Death's Vampire
One for proposing a mass claim, that will result in the outing of the town's power roles.
Two for the almost immediate backpedal to a number claim, a claim that also seemed likely to out the town's power roles.
I'm totally against both idea's as locking the scum into roles in a normal doesn't seem like it would provide that big of an advantage.
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Wait what? I want a mass claim. I agreed to a number claim because he asked. I never once left my stance for a mass claim.
Ok, but still the mass claim is an idea in which the town will lose, so you still have my vote.
Why did you answer so quick on the number claim? Did you not see the potential for fishing?
I already answered this. Read the thread a little more carefully. But I will also add that I saw no harm in what I revealed. If someone see the harm please explain.
Why does the town lose out?
Ummm AI, im pretty sure i bolded my Vote: The Ice King vote.... so not sure why im recorded as Not Voting.
Regardless: Unvote: The Ice King, as we are officially off the RVS now.
FoS: Deaths_Vampires, the whole claim idea, to me, seems awful as has been mentioned, his defense has been flailtastic and I just cannot see someone who has played before acting this badly.
I don't have the time right now to do a complete read of everything here (been mostly skimming) but hopefully ill be able to tonight or tomorrow, have Arcadic and dC posted already?
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This is a bad idea of bad ideas. Bad idea of the year, even.
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I'd like to hear zindabad and falkonn, in particular, comment on recent events. ~Tilde~ as well, for that matter.
Tanarin appears to be town.
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Why are you against it? Lets get some points going here.
A game breakable by mass-claim is a mod failure. In the absence of a complete breaking of the game, a mass-claim is almost always in favour of the scum.
I've never supported a massclaim in any game, and without some really strong reasons to, never will. Your reasons are weak.
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'Kay!
Um... DV's acting reee~eealy scummy an' flailin' around a lot and seems a little too dangerously genre savvy for this game which is why I'm votin' him at the moment and I don't see that changin' anytime soon.
Besides that and Shakalo basically putting a counterpoint to DV pretty much every time he posts there ain't much else to say. I mean it's still early and there's random votin' stuff and things an' all to look at.
You putting a pointy finger of pointyness at a couple of people who did some random voting stuff but not doing anything on what you thought was a bad idea of bad ideas is kinda innn~nnterestin' though.
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I think this has been discussed way more than it should be already. Let it go, nobody thinks it's a good idea, you're just distracting everyone.
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You are assuming that just because the Mass produced Unit in the Sample Role PM is Vanilla that means all Mass Produced Units are Vanilla.
We have no proof of that fact.
1.You need to learn the correct definition of trolling.
2. Iz Jelly.
You also need to learn what starting something is.
If you mean rudimentary attack.
Then yes I started it.
Because he is special.
In your case I'm assuming you are at least a fairly experienced player because you were in both Ogre and Doha.
Really? Just because the Mass Produced Unit in the role Pm is V.T. doesn't mean they all are.
Having the Whole Town guide the Doctor and the Cop is just about the worst move possible.
All that foreplay you had with me lead up to nothing. You apparently don`t think I am scummy enough to vote.
Good townie post before this one.
Bert, how experienced are you?
Could you explain the bolded part?[/QUOTE]
Why?
Sepiriel is likely town.
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Pretty experienced but not good. Search me in these forums for an idea, also Orange Flower, Minineko, and Foxlnbpkqgz are all gimmicks, plus a few of games on 'scum and #mafia.
That said, I'm not actually very GOOD at this.
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Barn this to answer your question DV.
I hate that you can read me so well but i can't do the same... where it not for [Conflux] i would think you town right now :(.
I must admit that the fact you always randomly declare my towniness in each game we have been together baffles me, specially when im usually not mentioned at all at the time of your post :p.
As far as claiming goes: As of right now I am against anyone not on Lynch Threshold (L-2) claiming, nothing much to say other than that.
I think we have our day 1 lynch.
Considering RVS has ended.
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You coulda have at least tried to look at even the second page
Am I the only one who notices DV trying to buttercup tan? He gave him town points for nothing really.
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@Yanni: Honestly??? Like Reya said, couldn't even bother to read the first page or two???
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I don't like the mass claim.
I'm not voting DV because I know how awful he is.
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OH SNAP
Heh... It was 3 pages when I left the house this morning >_<
What does this mean?
Does he usually push for a mass claim day 1?
Or does he always panic and OMGUS anyone who mentions his name?
@DC: Honestly the only thing that's really been happening is DV's mass claim idea. I'm against that for reasons that have already been stated so I won't mention them again.
I think the people trying to string up DV for this are doing so on not enough evidence. I don't think I've played with him before, but I've read games he's been in and I'm pretty sure that he always acts a little wonky (I'm assuming right now all this aggressive DV stuff is a null tell). It does muddy the waters by taking over the conversation though.
I don't like how Yanni attempted to jump on DV's case, so he gets negative points.
I don't particularly like Poggy's and vezok's current playstyle, but I know poggy will grow out of it as the game goes on (this is a personal thing, not a point against them. I tend to like Poggy as a player once he starts posting for real. *buddy buddy*:D). Vezok will probably muddy the waters by acting scummy whether he is or not. I find him hopelessly impossible to read.
I liked bert's first post, and my first impression of him is a townie one.
Everyone else is for the most part null right now. And I don't tend to put much trust in my reads given how long the game has been going on.
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DC's point is the point i am making against a Mass-Claim, any game broken by a mass-claim is not a real game. AI's a good sensible player and mod, this game cannot be broken by mass-claim. The question of a mass claim then is, do you want to play an all vanilla game after Day 3/4? That's essentially what a mass claim does in a normal setup. All vanilla's favor the scum.
I don't see anything town about how D_V has pushed this. Vote D_V.
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Deaths_Vampire (6): Shalako, Tanarin, poggydude, ~Tilde~, jdisawesomesauce, Arcadic
poggydude (2): zindabad, Energetic Penguin
Shalako (1): Deathjoey
~Tilde~ (1): vezokpiraka
bert (1): supermoo9999
Reya Cookiebringer (1): LuckNorris
LuckNorris (1): Reya Cookiebringer
Weaver (1): WingDamage9001
Not Voting (8): The Ice King, desCoures, Weaver, Deaths_Vampire, bert, Sepiriel, Yanni, falkonn
With 22 alive, it's 12 votes to lynch.
Please Unvote before casting a new Vote.
So distracting!
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Wow, what a crappy reason. Why this right after someone just someone suggested a massclaim? Can't you find something useful to do?
This doesn't work. The swcum can just kill any watchers, doctors and then kill our other Power roles. You're proposing a very bad plan, that works massively in the scumteam's favor.
Game have to be fair and unbreakable by massclaim, the most common way to do this is to give the scumteam fakeclaims. Another is to use something which has a vast amount of fakeclaims that one could devise on there own, For example a Pokemon themed game. Or to use an unconventional scumteam so flavor is inert, making some of the heroes actually bad guys etc. Point is a fair mod will not allow a massclaim to ruin a game for scum.
I don't see any benefit in this, even if rolenames don't hint at abilities.
Its standard where I come from that doc cant protect self. It may vary from site to site.
Responding to things as I read them, expect another post in a sec.
Mass claim = bad play. Maybe later in the game this would be useful, but in the beginning of the game? It's useless. The scum will just kill off all power roles and falseclaim town.
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Such a role is not balanced. Roleblockers, doctors, cops, etc. are all balanced roles that are often used in setups.
Ok, DV just keeps arguing for a terribly bad move and is relying on the mod to have done a poor job of keeping this massclaim unbreakable, when its far more likely to just help scum alot. He's gaming the mod while attacking others for making reasonable assumptions. Can we please lynch him now?
Unvote: PoggyDude, Vote: Death's Vampire
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Ummm no he isn't he is currently at 7 votes (counting yours), we are 22 alive so we need 12 so we are still missing 4 more votes for L-1, 3 for L-2 which is the standard claim range here.
EP: Would you be fine with the day ending with a DV lynch right now?
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I was wondering why I didn't recognize your name but you seemed to be familiar with me.. Damn meow poster...
Really? As soon as I read that post my gut went from scum to screaming townie. It was just a really townie post.
Fair enough. It really is gaming the mod. But I am claiming that it is. As more roles die off you will probably see a trend. I will drop this for now until we get more information.
Ugh... About this no mafia fake claims thing. I have played a lot of games, and I can only think of maybe 2? In which the mafia were given fake claims. This is a normal game which is another strike against giving them fake claims. I really just don't see it as possible it is to game breaking to me for a normal game.
I really don't like falkonn's posts as of late.... I need to think about it. Yes he in my opinion is being a voice of reason.... But is that because he is scum that knows I am town?
Also, yay for getting us out of RVS on page 2! God I hate that stuff.
Also, why is me sticking by my plan a scum tell? If I have a plan that I believe will help the town and I see flaws in others peoples arguments then shouldn't I defend my plan?
I really don't see any scum tells or anything anti-town in what I have done. A lot of people are say X is anti-town. But they are not impacting(explaining) why it is. This itself is inherently anti-town? Yes?
It screws the game.
I think I can behind the D_V lynch. It's probably on town but he is good for policy if that is the reason .
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.... what? You want to lynch probable townies?
I cannot think of a pro-town mindset where this post makes any sense whatsoever. vote vezokpiraka
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He really is that dense some times. IDK. Seems like he is just going with the flow though.
Yeah looking at his last two posts all he does is Ad hom attack me. Which is laughable, then does this.
Unvote Vote vezokpiraka
however i can see this from a vezok mindset...idk i am always fine with a vezok policy claim (especially because it works out great sometimes )