Firstly, I'm having the most AMAZING time playing with nephews, spending time with family, and seeing friends I haven't seen in 12 years. Mafia's, like, on a trailer, hitched to another trailer, hitched to an extra long bed, King cab truck. As I said, though, I should be back home Tuesday.
I don't like Yanni or Reya. Jtm always seems scummy, so I'm watching ya. Az...is Az. That's all I can say on him atm. Everyone else hasn't made an impression.
I'm undecided on the mass claim. Iirc, it would be quite beneficial for me to be able to optimize my ability, but I'll have to look at it again...which ain't happening til I get home and have access to a computer.
No way are we no lynching. The lynch is the town's strongest weapon against scum, and I'm extremely uncomfortable writing that off like a bad check D1.
Uh....I think that's all I had to say. I'll probably re-read all this when I'm home and can multiquote and all that good stuff I just love to do.
I want to hear your take on Yanni because it makes an actual difference. Getting Yanni's input on anything is like taking directions from a weathervane.
Wit's End is the PERFECT answer to your opponent's Monomania however.
Just hold on to your Wit's End when they Monomania, so you can Wit's End them on your next turn!!!
I think this is fairly reminiscent of the "Jace Battles" we have seen in past standards.. My guess is we will soon witness the great Monomania-Wit's End battles.
I want to hear your take on Yanni because it makes an actual difference. Getting Yanni's input on anything is like taking directions from a weathervane.
Mine? Why does it make a difference?
All my feelings are gut. There are posts to support my gut reads, but I can't (well, won't on my POS phone) research them.
Firstly, I'm having the most AMAZING time playing with nephews, spending time with family, and seeing friends I haven't seen in 12 years. Mafia's, like, on a trailer, hitched to another trailer, hitched to an extra long bed, King cab truck. As I said, though, I should be back home Tuesday.
I don't like Yanni or Reya. Jtm always seems scummy, so I'm watching ya. Az...is Az. That's all I can say on him atm. Everyone else hasn't made an impression.
I'm undecided on the mass claim. Iirc, it would be quite beneficial for me to be able to optimize my ability, but I'll have to look at it again...which ain't happening til I get home and have access to a computer.
No way are we no lynching. The lynch is the town's strongest weapon against scum, and I'm extremely uncomfortable writing that off like a bad check D1.
Uh....I think that's all I had to say. I'll probably re-read all this when I'm home and can multiquote and all that good stuff I just love to do.
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Yeah no lynch is improbable. Also if JTM is always scummy, than Yanni is AL Capone. (they are both always scummy) Az just seems like he is scum hunting and seeing reactions.
@Az. Don't blame me blame 1:30 in the morning.
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@Manders - I was fairly excited to hear you reasoning on Yanni...and then it was a gut read. : / When you're not on a POS phone, please do find a few moment to figure out what set off your gut - besides blatantly barning me. After what you pulled in Amistaria, your trust privileges have been officially revoked.
Also, +5 Az points for folks who can explain why Archonoid is scummy.
Also, I lied earlier. I only think three people are scummy. So far, all I've figured out about Puddle is that he's smart and likes to talk a lot.
I see an opening for a pretty solid read, if you'd give an honest assessment of Yanni. The fact that you both are unwilling to do so and that you're encouraging other people to give you reasons on your behalf is kind of a sub-read, though.
Wit's End is the PERFECT answer to your opponent's Monomania however.
Just hold on to your Wit's End when they Monomania, so you can Wit's End them on your next turn!!!
I think this is fairly reminiscent of the "Jace Battles" we have seen in past standards.. My guess is we will soon witness the great Monomania-Wit's End battles.
@ Az. Because he is leaving himself open to backtrack?
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Not necessarily. No lynch is worth considering in any game with an even number of players. I wouldn't do it day 1 because you don't know how many kills there are going to be at night, but throwing out consideration for No Lynch because it's less informational is just silly.
Actually, I think that makes a lot of sense. Especially factoring in extra kills and crazy vigs and what-not.
Also, I am very distressed that no one is taking this wonderful opportunity to fake post restrictions.
Wie schade!
I've actually said this before and people laughed at me. No lynches are great when a person down doesn't equal less votes required, aka even numbered days. We do this almost automatically in irc mafia due to the practicality.
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Puddle asked for my opinion on a NL (or I assume that's what he's asking)
No, no lynch is bad for the town day 1. I do not think it is reasonable to give scum a free night. If we mislynch, we also get even more info from the mislynch than something else.
I don't think Azreal is scum, this seems like his town meta. Reya is town.
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Why are you picking on Puddle Azrael? half the people here haven't done a scum/town thing yet. AND 80 POSTS IS LATE GAME?... 0_o
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1. He is a power role we need to keep alive
2. He is scum
3. He is just a vanilla trying not to distract you.
1. Way to narrow down the field on what you think Az is, JTM. "He's either scum or he's not (and if he's not, he either has an ability or he doesn't)". I tried to make a Venn diagram of this, but then I realized, it's only a circle.
2. Just fess up to getting that scum role PM and this will be all much less painful
3. Vote: johnthemaster
If we mass claim I have two abilities. One of which I would claim even if you don't mass claim and another that I'm not sure I want to claim.
I need two people to vote me. Just two people.
1. You're town.
2. You remind me of Nakamura in Doha. ("Everyone should vote me!" *everyone votes* "I get random pieces of information about the roles of everyone who voted me! *rage* "JK, I'm totally lying. Here's my real PM." *modkill*)
I think a more pertinent question is, what don't I have to hide? Going through my posts thus far would suggest that the answer to that is 'very little.'
1. Way to narrow down the field on what you think Az is, JTM. "He's either scum or he's not (and if he's not, he either has an ability or he doesn't)". I tried to make a Venn diagram of this, but then I realized, it's only a circle.
2. Just fess up to getting that scum role PM and this will be all much less painful
3. Vote: johnthemaster
Do not like that venn diagram, or point 2. You really aren't providing arguments so much as name calling and insulting his intelligence.
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So you're telling me that AI's one statement just feels townie to you? And that based on this one statement which feels townie to you for reasons you can't properly put into words, you have decided AI is town?
I am getting this right?
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I am trying to be helpful as much as I can this game, since I have received comments that I should contribute more. And lulz at Azrael, since he is a mod, his votes count as 4 and he can vote any number of times. Therefore.
That's a lynch! It is now twilight. Don't MK me gigas.
Keeping track of the mass claim votes was convenient, but it's easy to do as scum as you don't have to give any original thought for it. It's the kinda thing that appears helpful while not contributing to discussion.
So you still want no lynch? Even though it is more beneficial to the scum? *cough cough scum
Really don't like this post.
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EBWoP: johnthemaster is clearly new, but I don't get scum vibes from him If anything, his posts are townish, if unrefined.
I don't see it. He is new, but even for a new player, his posts have very little content and are kinda overly emotional (not sure how to explain it).
Manders did say that he typically plays scummy though. Can someone point me to one of his town games?
So you're telling me that AI's one statement just feels townie to you? And that based on this one statement which feels townie to you for reasons you can't properly put into words, you have decided AI is town?
I am getting this right?
Meh, town gut reads aren't uncommon or anything. I have a light gut town read on Atlseal and Puddlejumper. AI said the same thing about Vezok, why wasn't that suspicious?
I don't see it. He is new, but even for a new player, his posts have very little content and are kinda overly emotional (not sure how to explain it).
Manders did say that he typically plays scummy though. Can someone point me to one of his town games?
Would you say it is out of character for new players to have lower content and be more prone to emotion?
Meh, town gut reads aren't uncommon or anything. I have a light gut town read on Atlseal and Puddlejumper. AI said the same thing about Vezok, why wasn't that suspicious?
Really? I have never seen gut reads before.
Atlseals post said "Glad to see you are town AI." Not, "Gut says town AI".
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So you're telling me that AI's one statement just feels townie to you? And that based on this one statement which feels townie to you for reasons you can't properly put into words, you have decided AI is town?
I am getting this right?
No, you're not, but not through fault of your own. Don't know why I quoted that post when I said that. Maybe because it was his most recent post.
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
Oy....
Ok, the cough cough post was MY sarcasm. Gosh you guys.
Hence why I did not vote for anyone.
And it seems like everyone always thinks I'm scum, what's up with that?...
Grrrrr. So can you guys PLEASE BOLD YOUR VOTES?
Anyways.
Town
Azrael -Townish feel to his posts
Atlseal - Good scumhunting, town content
AsianInvasion - Supports logic and has good reasoning
Scumish
Yanni - Can't shake his scumish vibe
Oy....
Ok, the cough cough post was MY sarcasm. Gosh you guys.
Hence why I did not vote for anyone.
And it seems like everyone always thinks I'm scum, what's up with that?...
Grrrrr. So can you guys PLEASE BOLD YOUR VOTES?
Anyways.
Town
Azrael -Townish feel to his posts
Atlseal - Good scumhunting, town content
AsianInvasion - Supports logic and has good reasoning
Scumish
Yanni - Can't shake his scumish vibe
Please tell me what atlseal has done that you think is "good scumhunting"
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Please quote some atlseal posts that make you feel this way.
I take offense to the insinuation that I have not been scumhunting, but will hold off on the rest of this comment until you are satisfied with JTM's response.
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
How is knowledge of what abilities are out there make the game fully predictable? Let's say we have a doctor, for example. Does the knowledge that there's a doctor change mafia's behavior any?
Considering that they aren't players that can be killed, I'm failing to see why they don't. Please explain.
I see no reason a scum player would lie about their role-name in this game. Give me one possible role name that a scum would want to false claim in this game.
So what's the problem with a mass-claim again? Since if we're trying to put pressure on scum for a plausible claim as soon as possible, why not now?
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Really, the only reason I see you claiming for not being for a mass-claim is that it makes the game predictable. So please, explain how this is so. Otherwise, nothing else you said is an argument against a mass-claim.
I don't see how it does. Mafia is going to try to play around disruption no matter what. It would be foolish not to.
Instead of a doc protect that has a much higher chance of being directed by the mafia and such won't even protect a player we want?
Except the player at the start of redirection is forced to use their ability.
Didn't know it was a series. Thanks for the heads-up.
Whee mod-gaming coming up, but what you are proposing is that Gigas1 would have had to design this game without the possibility of a D1 name-claim in mind.
Claiming names does nothing but lock in names. Considering it's very easy to derive abilities however you want for any given role, it means absolutely nothing. If you want to name-claim, there is no point.
Let's look at the post and break it down if you disagree:
"Night actions become predictable" Let's just say you and I differ greatly on this point.
Given that it's common for mods to avoid doing all the obvious for just this reason, I believe this is a given.
You and I agree on that, but this supports a pro full-claim stance.
1. Way to narrow down the field on what you think Az is, JTM. "He's either scum or he's not (and if he's not, he either has an ability or he doesn't)". I tried to make a Venn diagram of this, but then I realized, it's only a circle.
2. Just fess up to getting that scum role PM and this will be all much less painful
3. Vote: johnthemaster
4. So is that voting vezok because he asked to be voted or is that voting vezok because you think what he posted was scummy?
5. Sadly Az, I don't see what you see with Archonoid. I'd love for you to explain it, though.
These sort of do, they are more like hmph, I'm right you are wrong posts.
Ok, now to continue my thought from before: scumhunting doesn't just have to end with finding scum players. The whole exchange with PJ was scumhunting. I just happened to come to the conclusion that he was town, not scum.
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
I take offense to the insinuation that I have not been scumhunting, but will hold off on the rest of this comment until you are satisfied with JTM's response.
I'm not so much insinuating that you aren't scum hunting so much as insinuating JTM made up his reads on people without any thought behind them.
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Ok, now to continue my thought from before: scumhunting doesn't just have to end with finding scum players. The whole exchange with PJ was scumhunting. I just happened to come to the conclusion that he was town, not scum.
This post does make you look better to me, from a "whom do I vig tonight" perspective.
Also, I think at this point it is clear JTM is either
A.) scum
B.) Really overwhelmed and has no idea what he's doing from a mafia theory standpoint.
I think I'm leaning B.
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No offense, but you always have that scum vibe, I can't really get a read off of anyone else.
Oh... :-/...
I didn't know that. Oops.
Sorry about that then.
you know, because all 2 games that I've played with you, I've flipped town. so you have an accurate representaiton of my town meta, but not my scum meta (ironic, because all of my games so far I am/have been town)
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I still think a mass claim would result in the scum having much greater coordination than the town, not less. We even have at least one player claiming a scummy seeming ability, so the window for manipulation is fairly high.
I'm in favor of mass claims when I feel the town learns far more than the scum, but it seems like the town starts the game with a starting point to coordinate around, and I can't see it helping.
So you're telling me that AI's one statement just feels townie to you? And that based on this one statement which feels townie to you for reasons you can't properly put into words, you have decided AI is town?
I am getting this right?
AI's one statement pushing his agenda makes him town.
JTM is really slinging a lot of ☺☺☺☺ out there, and yet people are forgiving it for no particular reason.
AI is acting holier than thou already, which is a good thing (alignment wise) - however his initial "likeing Reya & Squeege for scum" is just bizarre considering what they had posted.
Yanni seems too trusting of everyone.
MH choosing Reya seems like an odd choice for scum as well, and naming "gut" as the reason is pretty poor. Reya had posted about four lines of text by this point... It makes it sound like both choices were simply picked from other players' lists.
I'm not voting for vez.
I think atlseal is trying to be town and is frustrated by people not seeing him as town. Especially with comments like:
Ok, now to continue my thought from before: scumhunting doesn't just have to end with finding scum players. The whole exchange with PJ was scumhunting. I just happened to come to the conclusion that he was town, not scum.
Firstly, I'm having the most AMAZING time playing with nephews, spending time with family, and seeing friends I haven't seen in 12 years. Mafia's, like, on a trailer, hitched to another trailer, hitched to an extra long bed, King cab truck. As I said, though, I should be back home Tuesday.
I don't like Yanni or Reya. Jtm always seems scummy, so I'm watching ya. Az...is Az. That's all I can say on him atm. Everyone else hasn't made an impression.
I'm undecided on the mass claim. Iirc, it would be quite beneficial for me to be able to optimize my ability, but I'll have to look at it again...which ain't happening til I get home and have access to a computer.
No way are we no lynching. The lynch is the town's strongest weapon against scum, and I'm extremely uncomfortable writing that off like a bad check D1.
Uh....I think that's all I had to say. I'll probably re-read all this when I'm home and can multiquote and all that good stuff I just love to do.
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Yeah no lynch is improbable. Also if JTM is always scummy, than Yanni is AL Capone. (they are both always scummy) Az just seems like he is scum hunting and seeing reactions.
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@Manders - I was fairly excited to hear you reasoning on Yanni...and then it was a gut read. : / When you're not on a POS phone, please do find a few moment to figure out what set off your gut - besides blatantly barning me. After what you pulled in Amistaria, your trust privileges have been officially revoked.
Also, +5 Az points for folks who can explain why Archonoid is scummy.
Also, I lied earlier. I only think three people are scummy. So far, all I've figured out about Puddle is that he's smart and likes to talk a lot.
I see an opening for a pretty solid read, if you'd give an honest assessment of Yanni. The fact that you both are unwilling to do so and that you're encouraging other people to give you reasons on your behalf is kind of a sub-read, though.
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I've actually said this before and people laughed at me. No lynches are great when a person down doesn't equal less votes required, aka even numbered days. We do this almost automatically in irc mafia due to the practicality.
You obviously didn't catch the heaviest sarcasm I've ever seen in a mafia game. I also think you are scum, good sir.
If we mass claim I have two abilities. One of which I would claim even if you don't mass claim and another that I'm not sure I want to claim.
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Puddle asked for my opinion on a NL (or I assume that's what he's asking)
No, no lynch is bad for the town day 1. I do not think it is reasonable to give scum a free night. If we mislynch, we also get even more info from the mislynch than something else.
I don't think Azreal is scum, this seems like his town meta. Reya is town.
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1. Way to narrow down the field on what you think Az is, JTM. "He's either scum or he's not (and if he's not, he either has an ability or he doesn't)". I tried to make a Venn diagram of this, but then I realized, it's only a circle.
2. Just fess up to getting that scum role PM and this will be all much less painful
3. Vote: johnthemaster
4. So is that voting vezok because he asked to be voted or is that voting vezok because you think what he posted was scummy?
5. Sadly Az, I don't see what you see with Archonoid. I'd love for you to explain it, though.
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1. You're town.
2. You remind me of Nakamura in Doha. ("Everyone should vote me!" *everyone votes* "I get random pieces of information about the roles of everyone who voted me! *rage* "JK, I'm totally lying. Here's my real PM." *modkill*)
Please back this statement up with empirical evidence.
I think you know better than to call someone out for reading and not posting. What if he was on a phone?
HAHAHAHA no way.
Oh man.
vote: Puddlejumper
Do not like that venn diagram, or point 2. You really aren't providing arguments so much as name calling and insulting his intelligence.
Would have if I could. Call it a strong gut read.
So you're telling me that AI's one statement just feels townie to you? And that based on this one statement which feels townie to you for reasons you can't properly put into words, you have decided AI is town?
I am getting this right?
Keeping track of the mass claim votes was convenient, but it's easy to do as scum as you don't have to give any original thought for it. It's the kinda thing that appears helpful while not contributing to discussion.
You want to fight about it?
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I don't see it. He is new, but even for a new player, his posts have very little content and are kinda overly emotional (not sure how to explain it).
Manders did say that he typically plays scummy though. Can someone point me to one of his town games?
Meh, town gut reads aren't uncommon or anything. I have a light gut town read on Atlseal and Puddlejumper. AI said the same thing about Vezok, why wasn't that suspicious?
Why?
Would you say it is out of character for new players to have lower content and be more prone to emotion?
Really? I have never seen gut reads before.
Atlseals post said "Glad to see you are town AI." Not, "Gut says town AI".
No, you're not, but not through fault of your own. Don't know why I quoted that post when I said that. Maybe because it was his most recent post.
Deal with it.
Ok
That is assuming we lynch puddle jumper today.
Ok, the cough cough post was MY sarcasm. Gosh you guys.
Hence why I did not vote for anyone.
And it seems like everyone always thinks I'm scum, what's up with that?...
Grrrrr. So can you guys PLEASE BOLD YOUR VOTES?
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Azrael -Townish feel to his posts
Atlseal - Good scumhunting, town content
AsianInvasion - Supports logic and has good reasoning
Scumish
Yanni - Can't shake his scumish vibe
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What a bad vote.
Please quote some atlseal posts that make you feel this way.
I take offense to the insinuation that I have not been scumhunting, but will hold off on the rest of this comment until you are satisfied with JTM's response.
These sort of do, they are more like hmph, I'm right you are wrong posts.
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I'm not so much insinuating that you aren't scum hunting so much as insinuating JTM made up his reads on people without any thought behind them.
This post does make you look better to me, from a "whom do I vig tonight" perspective.
Also, I think at this point it is clear JTM is either
A.) scum
B.) Really overwhelmed and has no idea what he's doing from a mafia theory standpoint.
I think I'm leaning B.
Yes, you guys are a bit much for me.
Now then, you are a full vig?
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I was just trying to clarify that.
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Yes it is.
No offense, but you always have that scum vibe, I can't really get a read off of anyone else.
Oh... :-/...
I didn't know that. Oops.
Sorry about that then.
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Deal with it.
And you would be correct.
Clearly you have never played with kpaca before.
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you know, because all 2 games that I've played with you, I've flipped town. so you have an accurate representaiton of my town meta, but not my scum meta (ironic, because all of my games so far I am/have been town)
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If I'm so wrong about JTM, I'd love either you or kpaca to explain to me. Preferably you.
I'm in favor of mass claims when I feel the town learns far more than the scum, but it seems like the town starts the game with a starting point to coordinate around, and I can't see it helping.
No. We mass claim, we use redirection on someone whose ability we want to control.
AI's one statement pushing his agenda makes him town.
Backing out already?
JTM is really slinging a lot of ☺☺☺☺ out there, and yet people are forgiving it for no particular reason.
AI is acting holier than thou already, which is a good thing (alignment wise) - however his initial "likeing Reya & Squeege for scum" is just bizarre considering what they had posted.
Yanni seems too trusting of everyone.
MH choosing Reya seems like an odd choice for scum as well, and naming "gut" as the reason is pretty poor. Reya had posted about four lines of text by this point... It makes it sound like both choices were simply picked from other players' lists.
I'm not voting for vez.
I think atlseal is trying to be town and is frustrated by people not seeing him as town. Especially with comments like: vote atlseal
...no
Good to hear. Wrong, but good to hear.