I'm going to vote Emo Pinata. I don't really have any good reasons, but I'm positive I'm right. Seems like the right way to play this, given my role name.
Wit's End is the PERFECT answer to your opponent's Monomania however.
Just hold on to your Wit's End when they Monomania, so you can Wit's End them on your next turn!!!
I think this is fairly reminiscent of the "Jace Battles" we have seen in past standards.. My guess is we will soon witness the great Monomania-Wit's End battles.
I'm pretty sure my question has been answered. If someone wants to contradict the hypothesis they can, but I don't see any reason to continue this awkward exercise solely to prove everyone is Cyan.
Wit's End is the PERFECT answer to your opponent's Monomania however.
Just hold on to your Wit's End when they Monomania, so you can Wit's End them on your next turn!!!
I think this is fairly reminiscent of the "Jace Battles" we have seen in past standards.. My guess is we will soon witness the great Monomania-Wit's End battles.
I'm pretty sure my question has been answered. If someone wants to contradict the hypothesis they can, but I don't see any reason to continue this awkward exercise solely to prove everyone is Cyan.
I'm going to vote Emo Pinata. I don't really have any good reasons, but I'm positive I'm right. Seems like the right way to play this, given my role name.
Why wouldn't I "seriously vote"? It seems stranger to me to wait for everyone to post some inane RVS spam and then coming back to it afterwards...
And for that matter, I'm not voting because he responded to my question. I'm voting for him because he took a few hours to post a carefully worded response after a few other spammy posts. It simply stands out as a bizarre need to respond.
Emphasis mine.
I'm going to let Foo respond to you, but this ain't over.
I'm going to vote Emo Pinata. I don't really have any good reasons, but I'm positive I'm right. Seems like the right way to play this, given my role name.
We argued back and forth for entirely too long in Hetalia about null tells. I don't even remember what he said, but I believe something along the lines of there are no null tells.
I think. I don't remember. That was started a LONG time ago.
Manders has this favorite phrase "null at best" that she uses to completely dismiss whole swaths of useful data from any analysis. It amounts to her confusing the difference between proof and evidence, and it bugs me.
Wit's End is the PERFECT answer to your opponent's Monomania however.
Just hold on to your Wit's End when they Monomania, so you can Wit's End them on your next turn!!!
I think this is fairly reminiscent of the "Jace Battles" we have seen in past standards.. My guess is we will soon witness the great Monomania-Wit's End battles.
And for that matter, I'm not voting because he responded to my question. I'm voting for him because he took a few hours to post a carefully worded response after a few other spammy posts. It simply stands out as a bizarre need to respond.
I've got a slightly different take than Manders on this part of your post.
In fact, looking back I'm pretty sure I like where your head is with this... I guess it's time to get to work, after all.:mad:
So, TFF, why make that response three posts later?
EWP: Well, by default aren't "null" "tells" oxymoronic? And yes, I understand what you mean, PJ.
What I mean when I say "null at best" is that, whatever the specific situation is, I can see both town and scum motivation for said action, which means that it's a null tell in my eyes.
But a "tell" is an action that indicates either strength or weakness (or town or scum in mafia, as it were). If it could be either or ultimately means nothing, then it's not really a "tell". Hence the oxymoron. Or something along those lines.
Anyhow, I can see this going in circles for hours, so I'll just let that be.
I'm going to let Foo respond to you, but this ain't over.
Unvote Vote: Emo_Pinata
I'm honestly baffled. You can wait for TFF to eventually respond and all, but in the mean time how about you explain why I am scummy for voting TFF.
I don't want to hear how I am wrong about TFF being scum or how my question itself was fishing/stupid/etc. I want to hear from you why I am scum for placing a serious vote on TFF, since that is your contention here and you want to wait for TFF to respond to me about the rest.
But a "tell" is an action that indicates either strength or weakness (or town or scum in mafia, as it were). If it could be either or ultimately means nothing, then it's not really a "tell". Hence the oxymoron. Or something along those lines.
I get what you're saying, I do. And I don't think EVERY action is a null tell. But, if I can see a motivation one way or the other, it's null, and I usually end up ignoring it.
I'm honestly baffled. You can wait for TFF to eventually respond and all, but in the mean time how about you explain why I am scummy for voting TFF.
I don't want to hear how I am wrong about TFF being scum or how my question itself was fishing/stupid/etc. I want to hear from you why I am scum for placing a serious vote on TFF, since that is your contention here and you want to wait for TFF to respond to me about the rest.
It was completely opportunistic. You didn't ask any questions to try to understand his stance or why he acted the way he did. You just stated your opinion and voted for him.
Regarding the purpose for my bolded for emphasis, that I will still wait for Foo to respond before I elaborate.
It was completely opportunistic. You didn't ask any questions to try to understand his stance or why he acted the way he did. You just stated your opinion and voted for him.
@Manders: In your experience, is it a scum tell for people to vote in this manner?
It was completely opportunistic. You didn't ask any questions to try to understand his stance or why he acted the way he did. You just stated your opinion and voted for him.
Can you explain why you asked this and what kind of leeway you meant?
For example: I'd rather not explain why I asked this.
By what kind (and I guess dipping a toe into why), I meant I will be displaying some stubborn behaviors that I hope can be read through and can be forgiven without a cavalcade of voracious pressure.
I did. Were you wanting me to explain why E_P and maybe TFF are obv-town?
Their first two posts are written from town perspectives, in terms of the information a townie would have available to them at the start of the game and the thoughts that would occur to them at that stage, after reading their PMs. Could be faked, but it's much more likely legitimate, so they're both in my town column.
@EP: I suspected it might be related to what happened early on in Ged's game (at least what I recall before I had to request replacement); that's sufficient enough to sate my curiosity at the moment.
That was a sudden unvote from Manders. I'm not sure what to make of it just yet.
Nah, Az just thanked me for making an FTQ folder in the MafiaScribe inbox.
Why, did they tell you to ask me that?
IMPOSSIBLE!!!
No I'm just finding it hard to follow you. All the joking turned to serious with voting Emo and then the abrupt unvote as you remembered you played the same. Now the joking again.
No I'm just finding it hard to follow you. All the joking turned to serious with voting Emo and then the abrupt unvote as you remembered you played the same. Now the joking again.
Yeah, not my best play so far.
The joking will continue throughout the game, though. I'm too excited about this game NOT to joke around.
I am sort of confused, is the RVS over or is this one of those times where half the people think it is and the other half are like "LOL, noob did wat!? ROFL!!! ;)".
I am sort of confused, is the RVS over or is this one of those times where half the people think it is and the other half are like "LOL, noob did wat!? ROFL!!! ;)".
It is now. Manders is just giddy, but has quickly backtracked on her attack of Emo. Which is not a joke.
I'm voting for him because he took a few hours to post a carefully worded response after a few other spammy posts. It simply stands out as a bizarre need to respond.
@Emo: Hecatia or Helatia? She said Hecatia, you said Helatia. Either way, this isn't entirely out of character for Manders to jump around with her vote, but the rub is in determining why. And so quickly.
I don't like TFF's comment/response. I don't get why that took three posts to respond to and/or why he felt the need to make the post.
No I'm just finding it hard to follow you. All the joking turned to serious with voting Emo and then the abrupt unvote as you remembered you played the same. Now the joking again.
@Emo: Hecatia or Helatia? She said Hecatia, you said Helatia. Either way, this isn't entirely out of character for Manders to jump around with her vote, but the rub is in determining why. And so quickly.
I don't like TFF's comment/response. I don't get why that took three posts to respond to and/or why he felt the need to make the post.
Wit's End is the PERFECT answer to your opponent's Monomania however.
Just hold on to your Wit's End when they Monomania, so you can Wit's End them on your next turn!!!
I think this is fairly reminiscent of the "Jace Battles" we have seen in past standards.. My guess is we will soon witness the great Monomania-Wit's End battles.
No I'm just finding it hard to follow you. All the joking turned to serious with voting Emo and then the abrupt unvote as you remembered you played the same. Now the joking again.
Nobody goes from random voting to real mafia BACK to random voting. MH was under pressure and made a mistake by trying to act like she was still in the random voting stage.
These kinds of mistakes while under pressure are classic scum tells.
Nobody goes from random voting to real mafia BACK to random voting. MH was under pressure and made a mistake by trying to act like she was still in the random voting stage.
These kinds of mistakes while under pressure are classic scum tells.
Three things, buddy boy.
1) There's meta evidence of me doing that in the past. South Park Mafia. Look it up.
2) Quote where I went back to RVS. Now.
3) Then why aren't you voting for me?
That is much more definitive than the stance that you are trying to paint for yourself here. Your stubborn insistence at maintaining this lie leads me to believe that you know you got caught red-handed.
That is much more definitive than the stance that you are trying to paint for yourself here. Your stubborn insistence at maintaining this lie leads me to believe that you know you got caught red-handed.
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You aren't really going to make me have this argument again, are you?
Trying to catch a big one?
So it was an exercise?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Well played, sir.
I'm intrigued; do tell?
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Emphasis mine.
I'm going to let Foo respond to you, but this ain't over.
Unvote Vote: Emo_Pinata
If you're adamant about convincing me, then I suppose we will.
Why is it so IMPOSSIBLE for me to have a different opinion than you?
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We argued back and forth for entirely too long in Hetalia about null tells. I don't even remember what he said, but I believe something along the lines of there are no null tells.
I think. I don't remember. That was started a LONG time ago.
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Manders has this favorite phrase "null at best" that she uses to completely dismiss whole swaths of useful data from any analysis. It amounts to her confusing the difference between proof and evidence, and it bugs me.
I've got a slightly different take than Manders on this part of your post.
In fact, looking back I'm pretty sure I like where your head is with this... I guess it's time to get to work, after all.:mad:
So, TFF, why make that response three posts later?
EWP: Well, by default aren't "null" "tells" oxymoronic? And yes, I understand what you mean, PJ.
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And don't call me an ox moron!
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Anyhow, I can see this going in circles for hours, so I'll just let that be.
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I'm honestly baffled. You can wait for TFF to eventually respond and all, but in the mean time how about you explain why I am scummy for voting TFF.
I don't want to hear how I am wrong about TFF being scum or how my question itself was fishing/stupid/etc. I want to hear from you why I am scum for placing a serious vote on TFF, since that is your contention here and you want to wait for TFF to respond to me about the rest.
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I get what you're saying, I do. And I don't think EVERY action is a null tell. But, if I can see a motivation one way or the other, it's null, and I usually end up ignoring it.
It was completely opportunistic. You didn't ask any questions to try to understand his stance or why he acted the way he did. You just stated your opinion and voted for him.
Regarding the purpose for my bolded for emphasis, that I will still wait for Foo to respond before I elaborate.
@ DYH: Yeah, yeah. away
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But I only know this because they're not listed as scum in role PM. Honest.
(My role PM is very hard to read.)
@Manders: In your experience, is it a scum tell for people to vote in this manner?
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It CAN be. Townies generally try to probe a bit before jumping on a wagon.
However, in thinking about that, I remembered I did something very similar to Zionite early in Hecatea, and recognize my hypocrisy.
Unvote but I am definitely watching E_P.
@ Az: Provide content please.
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Can you explain why you asked this and what kind of leeway you meant?
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By what kind (and I guess dipping a toe into why), I meant I will be displaying some stubborn behaviors that I hope can be read through and can be forgiven without a cavalcade of voracious pressure.
I did. Were you wanting me to explain why E_P and maybe TFF are obv-town?
Their first two posts are written from town perspectives, in terms of the information a townie would have available to them at the start of the game and the thoughts that would occur to them at that stage, after reading their PMs. Could be faked, but it's much more likely legitimate, so they're both in my town column.
That was a sudden unvote from Manders. I'm not sure what to make of it just yet.
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Puddlejumper (1): Rianalnn
Guardman (1): AlphaInsidious
AlphaInsidious (1): DYH
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Nah, Az just thanked me for making an FTQ folder in the MafiaScribe inbox.
Why, did they tell you to ask me that?
IMPOSSIBLE!!!
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No I'm just finding it hard to follow you. All the joking turned to serious with voting Emo and then the abrupt unvote as you remembered you played the same. Now the joking again.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Yeah, not my best play so far.
The joking will continue throughout the game, though. I'm too excited about this game NOT to joke around.
I just wish Iso was here.
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Well either way:
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It is now. Manders is just giddy, but has quickly backtracked on her attack of Emo. Which is not a joke.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
There's no "trying" involved. It's the truth, like it or not.
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You missed the random voting stage.
Doesn't really answer anything...
I don't like TFF's comment/response. I don't get why that took three posts to respond to and/or why he felt the need to make the post.
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Yeah, I said Hecatea. First page. Maybe second.
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I always manage to garble those two (or perhaps I just want to forget about Hectea). You are right about Hectea being very similar.
Manders is scum. Vote Mandershex.
DYH is scum with her. FOS DYH.
Blatant distancing being done here, if it turns out you're right.
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RIGHT ON, BRAH!!
I love how Az picks me out of you and I to vote for.
COINCIDENCE?
IMPOSSIBLE!!!
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it was still funny.
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Nobody goes from random voting to real mafia BACK to random voting. MH was under pressure and made a mistake by trying to act like she was still in the random voting stage.
These kinds of mistakes while under pressure are classic scum tells.
Three things, buddy boy.
1) There's meta evidence of me doing that in the past. South Park Mafia. Look it up.
2) Quote where I went back to RVS. Now.
3) Then why aren't you voting for me?
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That is much more definitive than the stance that you are trying to paint for yourself here. Your stubborn insistence at maintaining this lie leads me to believe that you know you got caught red-handed.
[B]Vote MandersHex[/B]
That is much more definitive than the stance that you are trying to paint for yourself here. Your stubborn insistence at maintaining this lie leads me to believe that you know you got caught red-handed.
Vote MandersHex