* Wuffles_II throws a suspicious glance at Infinis
What sort of soft claim?
1) Choices given
2) Name
3) Crypto - (apparently these have been judged against the spirit of the game now, thank the lord council almighty :p)
4) Something else?
If it is option 1 or 2 though, I am cautiously optimistic about this.
Sorry about the douchey post before; this goes to show posting after being hung up on after 25 minutes of being talked at by an old fijian lady that speaks barely legible english who won't accept that the privacy act forbids me from speaking about her friend's possible criminal convictions and why I'm a useless lawyer and how dare I deny her information that she is absolutely entitled to and who the f*** do I think I am for telling her the privacy act applies to everyone even her and of course i'm a lawyer not a registrar everyone knows that everybody working in the ministry of justice is a lawyer...
is a bad idea. I also dislike one word posts. They're spammy, and the reason why I despise certain players from Flame warriors mafia forever.
Meh, lets not bring up flame warriors that game was terrible, even though I played fairly well.
I reviewed the setup. It was nicely balanced. It was, however, a spamfest, which killed all interest in it. It took me two weeks to read during downtime at work.
Yeah, needless to say, I fail utterly to see how Iso got Best Mafia newcomer with performances like that under his belt.
I will be seriously trying to policy lynch you today, because there is not a single bit of townie in the possible motivations behind azwolging someone like that. At best, you're a horrible player.
And then he went onto to describe it as being "eager to shoot his load".
I'll get confirmation from Shalako, if you don't mind not answering questions not directed at you thanks. I hear from WoD you're GREAT at not not answering questions, so please, extend that courtesy to others.
Get off the high horse there bud. All you have to do is read along.
I agree. I also suggest that we be extra strict with LAL in this game. -Not doing so gives the scum way too much leeway since they got to look at a handful of role PM's.
Because I'm taking Wuffles out First Post of Day 2 obviously.
I seriously believe you'll do it too, if you're not just trolling.
Too bad there is no freaking way in hell the rest of us will let you get away with unilateral lynches every day. You've already proven that you're a hell of a detriment to the town and quite frankly AZWOLGING someone out of the game less than two days into day one is a very unfair thing to do to a player. It's no fun playing mafia if you don't even get to participate because of a single arrogant power role deciding you don't deserve to be in the game. I move to strike (lynch) Shalako today if his daykill turns out to be legit. Possibly also if he is trolling, as he is actively hindering discussion if that is the case.
AE, Shalako has me on edge since he claimed his daykill yesterday. My words of vituperance toward you were unfair and I should have just abused shalako's play a bit more instead of taking it out on you. Sorry mate.
Shalako if you are serious then you are waaay too eagerbeaver for me this game. It's like you're super-keen already to get townie points, and I'm not liking it.
I seriously believe you'll do it too, if you're not just trolling.
Too bad there is no freaking way in hell the rest of us will let you get away with unilateral lynches every day. You've already proven that you're a hell of a detriment to the town and quite frankly AZWOLGING someone out of the game less than two days into day one is a very unfair thing to do to a player. It's no fun playing mafia if you don't even get to participate because of a single arrogant power role deciding you don't deserve to be in the game.
First of all, I don't fully agree with your general theory proposition here. I think Azwolging is fine under certain circumstances. There are cases where I would even night-zero vig. I don't think it's any more "unfair" than the fact that some people signed up for this game and got randomed out. This particular daykill (if real) seems odd to me and I would not have executed it, but early daykills in general are not unfair or universally unreasonable.
Second, I continue to strongly disagree with the idea of setting an outcome (e.g. policy-lynch Shalako) until we see the mod's statement. Are you really saying you'll policy lynch him even if pf flips scum?
Of COURSE I THINK YOU'RE SCUM ARE YOU NOT READING?
AT ***BEST*** YOU'RE A TOWNIE PLAYING TERRIBLY - NO MATTER IF YOU HAVE THE DAYKILL OR NOT.
You seriously think I don't think you're playing with an anti-town mindset?
How can you possibly justify what you're doing and planning as anything close to a townie mindset? If you were a townie, you would logically use your daykill as a second lynch at the behest of the town.
What I am saying is that if you *are* by some miracle town (and if I have my way, we will be finding that out VERY SOON) then you're the worst townie EVER. Your daykill today followed by your proposed daykill of me tomorrow will basically cause you to single-handedly win the game for the scum, which, therefore, makes you the worst townie ever.
If you're anti-town, at least there is a modicum of sense in what you're doing. I mean, you're still playing horribly, trading one townie (assuming pink is town, for the purposes of this thought process) for your life, but at least your thought processes are on the right alignment.
I seriously freaking hope you're scum; because otherwise, the mafia won't even have to nightkill anyone. They can just sit around and egg you on as you nuke random people until they win.
Cannot emphasize enough how terrible AZWOLGING vigs are. If you don't believe me, check Loran's play on View Askew mafia. It was a few years ago, but he basically single-handedly handed the game to the scum as a result of killing all the power roles including the motivator, the cop and the doctor.
sigh. I cannot believe you are doing this, regardless of your alignment.
Whether you're legit or trolling, you are still not being any help to us at all.
First of all, I don't fully agree with your general theory proposition here. I think Azwolging is fine under certain circumstances. There are cases where I would even night-zero vig. I don't think it's any more "unfair" than the fact that some people signed up for this game and got randomed out. This particular daykill (if real) seems odd to me and I would not have executed it, but early daykills in general are not unfair or universally unreasonable.
Second, I continue to strongly disagree with the idea of setting an outcome (e.g. policy-lynch Shalako) until we see the mod's statement. Are you really saying you'll policy lynch him even if pf flips scum?
If he plans to continue arbitrarily shooting people in the face?
Of course. Even if he lucks out, he's going to be hitting town 75% of the time. Not. Good. Odds.
Seriously, find me a game where unilateral vigilante kills help the town more than they hinder it, at least the way shalako is doing it. Hint: YOU WON'T FIND ONE.
If he plans to continue arbitrarily shooting people in the face?
Of course. Even if he lucks out, he's going to be hitting town 75% of the time. Not. Good. Odds.
That's not a good argument against azwolging. Losing a townie is less of a detriment to us than losing scum is a detriment to them. Especially since in a choose-your-own-role FTQ, each scum is practically guaranteed to be carrying some form of power role.
That's not a good argument against azwolging. Losing a townie is less of a detriment to us than losing scum is a detriment to them. Especially since in a choose-your-own-role FTQ, each scum is practically guaranteed to be carrying some form of power role.
You don't have an issue with Shalako supposedly killing PF right from the start?
That's not a good argument against azwolging. Losing a townie is less of a detriment to us than losing scum is a detriment to them. Especially since in a choose-your-own-role FTQ, each scum is practically guaranteed to be carrying some form of power role.
In a *mini* sir, there are twelve players. Also, the town likely has a high percentage of power roles ALSO, so your second point is moot.
How normal games go:
Assuming there is one scum nightkill and one lynch per day, the town can do the following and NOT lose the game.
Day 1: Mislynch, 11 players, 3 scum.
Night: Nightkill town, 10 players, 3 scum.
Day 2: Mislynch, 9 players, 3 scum
Night: NK town, 8 players, 3 scum.
Day 3: Mislynch, 8 players, 3 scum.
Night: NK, 7 players, 3 scum.
Day 4: Lylo.
While if a random, arbitrary nightkill like Shalako has done occurs, then:
Day 1: Mislynch, daykill, 10 players, 75% chance of 3 scum left.
Night: DK, 9 players left, 3 scum.
Day 2: Mislynch, daykill, 8 players left, 66% chance of 3 scum left.
Night: DK, 7 players left, 3 scum.
Day 3: Lylo, daykill, STILL less than 50% chance of hitting scum.
Scum wins day 3.
Shalako's play will mean unless we are at the top of our game, that we are losing an entire night and day period. So unless he is killing with legitimate reason, there is simply no statistical reason for letting him live.
Plus, the way he's acted today tells me he's not going to apply any kind of objective or relevant criteria to who he takes out.
He's as bad as a serial killer if he's town, and if he's scum or actually *is* a serial killer, then that's even worse for the town. If he keeps choosing his targets for himself, then he will likely lose the game for us.
Why are you concerned about whether it's scummy to discuss something?I oppose softclaims in the general case. But if someone has a case supporting a specific parameter, I'm open to discussing it.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
In a *mini* sir, there are twelve players. Also, the town likely has a high percentage of power roles ALSO, so your second point is moot.
How normal games go:
Assuming there is one scum nightkill and one lynch per day, the town can do the following and NOT lose the game.
Day 1: Mislynch, 11 players, 3 scum.
Night: Nightkill town, 10 players, 3 scum.
Day 2: Mislynch, 9 players, 3 scum
Night: NK town, 8 players, 3 scum.
Day 3: Mislynch, 8 players, 3 scum.
Night: NK, 7 players, 3 scum.
Day 4: Lylo.
While if a random, arbitrary nightkill like Shalako has done occurs, then:
Day 1: Mislynch, daykill, 10 players, 75% chance of 3 scum left.
Night: DK, 9 players left, 3 scum.
Day 2: Mislynch, daykill, 8 players left, 66% chance of 3 scum left.
Night: DK, 7 players left, 3 scum.
Day 3: Lylo, daykill, STILL less than 50% chance of hitting scum.
Scum wins day 3.
Yes, obviously if you assume that the daykill hits town every time, the daykill is bad. It should be obvious why that assumption is unreasonable. 75% is not 100%.
Let me put it this way: if a vig (day or night) fires three times and hits scum only once (33% success rate), then he's effectively reduced the game from a 9/3 to a 7/2, which is either balanced or slightly in the town's favor.
Soft claim what exactly?
LOL
What sort of soft claim?
1) Choices given
2) Name
3)
Crypto- (apparently these have been judged against the spirit of the game now, thank the lord council almighty :p)4) Something else?
If it is option 1 or 2 though, I am cautiously optimistic about this.
LOL
LOL
Sorry about the douchey post before; this goes to show posting after being hung up on after 25 minutes of being talked at by an old fijian lady that speaks barely legible english who won't accept that the privacy act forbids me from speaking about her friend's possible criminal convictions and why I'm a useless lawyer and how dare I deny her information that she is absolutely entitled to and who the f*** do I think I am for telling her the privacy act applies to everyone even her and of course i'm a lawyer not a registrar everyone knows that everybody working in the ministry of justice is a lawyer...
is a bad idea. I also dislike one word posts. They're spammy, and the reason why I despise certain players from Flame warriors mafia forever.
Meh, lets not bring up flame warriors that game was terrible, even though I played fairly well.
LOL
Yeah, needless to say, I fail utterly to see how Iso got Best Mafia newcomer with performances like that under his belt.
Rants aside, uh, yeah! Let's play mafia now.
I was not.
You are online right now. You have 10 mins to claim or die.
[Mafia Stats] Mafia MVP: 1/3 Basic #29,Co-[CCMV]
LOL
[Mafia Stats] Mafia MVP: 1/3 Basic #29,Co-[CCMV]
LOL
I will be seriously trying to policy lynch you today, because there is not a single bit of townie in the possible motivations behind azwolging someone like that. At best, you're a horrible player.
Good work giving the mafia a free -1 to LOL.
Even if he is mafia, you still fail at this game.
If you're trolling, it is working.
Anywho...I think a mass softclaim would be ok depending on what we are claiming.
And... back to work.
Wins/Losses/Draws
13/2/1
He was terrible then also. I expected he would have improved like Seppel did in the meantime but clearly I was foolish to do so.
He wasn't anywhere near as eagerbeaver as he has been so far in this game.
If it isn't, he is at best not at all funny and at worst a mafia.
I fail to see why we shouldn't rag on him over it.
Get off the high horse there bud. All you have to do is read along.
Wow hard stuff reading behind those lines.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
He also knows P.F. is town so sorry for that bud.
Someone isn't gonna have to reread over Night
[Mafia Stats] Mafia MVP: 1/3 Basic #29,Co-[CCMV]
[Mafia Stats] Mafia MVP: 1/3 Basic #29,Co-[CCMV]
They hate us cause they ain't us.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Why did you single me out for answering TFF A.E.?
Arch said the SAME EXACT THING.
[Mafia Stats] Mafia MVP: 1/3 Basic #29,Co-[CCMV]
Telling someone to claim on the first page when the day just started? Really?
I didn't.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
We both quoted the same thing.
[Mafia Stats] Mafia MVP: 1/3 Basic #29,Co-[CCMV]
Too bad there is no freaking way in hell the rest of us will let you get away with unilateral lynches every day. You've already proven that you're a hell of a detriment to the town and quite frankly AZWOLGING someone out of the game less than two days into day one is a very unfair thing to do to a player. It's no fun playing mafia if you don't even get to participate because of a single arrogant power role deciding you don't deserve to be in the game.
I move to strike (lynch) Shalako today if his daykill turns out to be legit. Possibly also if he is trolling, as he is actively hindering discussion if that is the case.
AE, Shalako has me on edge since he claimed his daykill yesterday. My words of vituperance toward you were unfair and I should have just abused shalako's play a bit more instead of taking it out on you. Sorry mate.
You don't even think I'm not town.
[Mafia Stats] Mafia MVP: 1/3 Basic #29,Co-[CCMV]
And that other post where he calls me a vig.
[Mafia Stats] Mafia MVP: 1/3 Basic #29,Co-[CCMV]
First of all, I don't fully agree with your general theory proposition here. I think Azwolging is fine under certain circumstances. There are cases where I would even night-zero vig. I don't think it's any more "unfair" than the fact that some people signed up for this game and got randomed out. This particular daykill (if real) seems odd to me and I would not have executed it, but early daykills in general are not unfair or universally unreasonable.
Second, I continue to strongly disagree with the idea of setting an outcome (e.g. policy-lynch Shalako) until we see the mod's statement. Are you really saying you'll policy lynch him even if pf flips scum?
So. I'm not talking about how many roles.
No need to apologize to me. I can handle it.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
AT ***BEST*** YOU'RE A TOWNIE PLAYING TERRIBLY - NO MATTER IF YOU HAVE THE DAYKILL OR NOT.
You seriously think I don't think you're playing with an anti-town mindset?
How can you possibly justify what you're doing and planning as anything close to a townie mindset? If you were a townie, you would logically use your daykill as a second lynch at the behest of the town.
What I am saying is that if you *are* by some miracle town (and if I have my way, we will be finding that out VERY SOON) then you're the worst townie EVER. Your daykill today followed by your proposed daykill of me tomorrow will basically cause you to single-handedly win the game for the scum, which, therefore, makes you the worst townie ever.
If you're anti-town, at least there is a modicum of sense in what you're doing. I mean, you're still playing horribly, trading one townie (assuming pink is town, for the purposes of this thought process) for your life, but at least your thought processes are on the right alignment.
I seriously freaking hope you're scum; because otherwise, the mafia won't even have to nightkill anyone. They can just sit around and egg you on as you nuke random people until they win.
Cannot emphasize enough how terrible AZWOLGING vigs are. If you don't believe me, check Loran's play on View Askew mafia. It was a few years ago, but he basically single-handedly handed the game to the scum as a result of killing all the power roles including the motivator, the cop and the doctor.
sigh. I cannot believe you are doing this, regardless of your alignment.
Whether you're legit or trolling, you are still not being any help to us at all.
Of course. Even if he lucks out, he's going to be hitting town 75% of the time. Not. Good. Odds.
Seriously, find me a game where unilateral vigilante kills help the town more than they hinder it, at least the way shalako is doing it. Hint: YOU WON'T FIND ONE.
Point Wuffles out to me.
@Shalako. DO YOU HAVE DAYKILLS?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
You don't have an issue with Shalako supposedly killing PF right from the start?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
This guy:
How many times do I have to repeat that the analysis will depend on what the outcome is?
How normal games go:
Assuming there is one scum nightkill and one lynch per day, the town can do the following and NOT lose the game.
Day 1: Mislynch, 11 players, 3 scum.
Night: Nightkill town, 10 players, 3 scum.
Day 2: Mislynch, 9 players, 3 scum
Night: NK town, 8 players, 3 scum.
Day 3: Mislynch, 8 players, 3 scum.
Night: NK, 7 players, 3 scum.
Day 4: Lylo.
While if a random, arbitrary nightkill like Shalako has done occurs, then:
Day 1: Mislynch, daykill, 10 players, 75% chance of 3 scum left.
Night: DK, 9 players left, 3 scum.
Day 2: Mislynch, daykill, 8 players left, 66% chance of 3 scum left.
Night: DK, 7 players left, 3 scum.
Day 3: Lylo, daykill, STILL less than 50% chance of hitting scum.
Scum wins day 3.
Shalako's play will mean unless we are at the top of our game, that we are losing an entire night and day period. So unless he is killing with legitimate reason, there is simply no statistical reason for letting him live.
Plus, the way he's acted today tells me he's not going to apply any kind of objective or relevant criteria to who he takes out.
He's as bad as a serial killer if he's town, and if he's scum or actually *is* a serial killer, then that's even worse for the town. If he keeps choosing his targets for himself, then he will likely lose the game for us.
Hey, want to weigh in on this, infi?
Why are you not answering either question?
12-11? I'm losing track
Let me put it this way: if a vig (day or night) fires three times and hits scum only once (33% success rate), then he's effectively reduced the game from a 9/3 to a 7/2, which is either balanced or slightly in the town's favor.