"Giving...giving up already, you shad sack? You disgusht me! Disgusht! In Nam, the ones who gave up got LEFT BY THE SIDE OF THE ROAD! <coughing fit brought on by sudden raise in volume>
Are you serious!? I missed ANOTHER RVS!? vote InfectiousBaloth
unvote Time to read more about what's gone on so far. Glad to see you haven't changed your tactics, Iso. <3
You...shlime. Sh-lime. Shull eye me. I don't know...I...am I shaying that OK? Shull-eye-me. What was I...OH! RIGHT! YOU'RE SHLIME, YOU FESTERING SHLIMEBALL!
Also explain (in your own words, not a parrot of Cyan) why you wouldnt mind to see me lynched? Also if that is the case why is not at least one of your votes on me?
Your claimed neutrality is the only thing that is keeping me from voting you. though every time you post I feel more and more that you are Scum trying to hide in plain sight.
This statement is the reason. I'm not sure why, but it makes you scum. As for why I'm not voting you yet:
I think it's simpler than that. I don't think E_P needs a majority vote at any one time. I think he needs some number of people (majority? all?) to have voted him at some point. I base this on:
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
This statement is the reason. I'm not sure why, but it makes you scum.
So my not wanting to vote the wrong person is why I am scum? To quote your brother on this one "the game actions that you attempted to perform do not comply with my perceived notion of best practices to execute within this game of forum-based mafia"
"the game actions that you attempted to perform do not comply with my perceived notion of best practices to execute within this game of forum-based mafia.
Please stop flaming Cyan for no good reason. I will be the first to admit that he is an incredibly frustrating player to play against at times but he hasn't even really started going that way yet. [/OOC]
Please stop flaming Cyan for no good reason. I will be the first to admit that he is an incredibly frustrating player to play against at times but he hasn't even really started going that way yet. [/OOC]
I find it highly entertaining that the sentence originally designed specifically to avoid any possibility of flaming is now being viewed as flaming.
Please stop flaming Cyan for no good reason. I will be the first to admit that he is an incredibly frustrating player to play against at times but he hasn't even really started going that way yet. [/OOC]
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Please stop flaming Cyan for no good reason. I will be the first to admit that he is an incredibly frustrating player to play against at times but he hasn't even really started going that way yet. [/OOC]
Within the letter of the law I have not flamed anyone. And that comment was aimed at Iso not Cyan.
i just counted, thats vote 8. which puts me at l-3
close enough for a claim i say.
my name is mike, town delayer
i stole some tech from my last job.
this tech allows me to delay night actions against a player by 2 nights. i will know only if i am successful not who or what targeted the player. i have an unlimited number of shots.
i was not given a win con in my role pm.
i have PMed xyre to confirm if he will be giving out the town wincon in the finalized role pms and if its ok to quote my exact role name
How are the people not happy with the speed of the Iso wagon not upset with Tordecks wagon?
#Cyan: Everything you attacked tordeck for, and every one of his points about not wanting to repeat history (posting restrictions, not wanting a mass0claim) are games I was with him in and agree with him. These are null tells and you are reaching with those accusations.
You're the first person to suggest it. Yes, if all the town agrees on something, and someone is fighting it, that's generally anti-town. But you're the only one to propose it so far. So, why?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Nothing to summarize. Just the feeling I'm getting.
There's plenty to summarize - How does her play in this game remind you of her play in Kitteh Trek? Was she Town in Kitteh Trek or was she Mafia?
There is a LOT of context missing, here. Fill in the blanks.
I was in that game, but I kinda stopped paying attention to it after Guardman flipped Town. I'd look, but it's your statement to back up, not mine. I place almost zero value on meta, but other people seem to value it, so please qualify it.
Meta with no backup is simply spam, or "fluff", as Pinky says.
You forget where you put your keys. Then you find them, and at that exact same moment you remember why you left them there. I forgot where I put my vote. Then I find it, and at that exact same moment I remember why I left it there.
-makes sense, considering the post in question and those immediately after. I've experienced this sort of thing before, especially after drinking, so I'm not going to hold it against him. -And really, it'd be such an elaborate thing to make up for basically no reason.
He picks a target, regardless of whether its the right one or not, an rides them until then are lynched. This works because too many players lap up what he says like he is God's gift to Mafia. Right now Cyan is doing what he always does. And while I was fine humoring him in the RVS, now that that is over I am not going to stand by and take his ****. He wants to come at me then he better have some damn good points. And I don't mean something along the lines false counter claiming the real town doc and causing an utter blowout scum victory. (Kitty, you should remember what I am talking about here)
Yes, I know exactly what you are talking about -and it has no relevance here whatsoever. I have a lot of history with Cyan, and in that time I've shown repeatedly that I am more than happy to be the first and loudest to stand up against him when I disagree with him, because I do know how dangerous Cyan's playstyle can be when he's wrong or scum. -But I don't think he's either in this case. And you attempting another weak AtE by trying to stir up unpleasant memories is just making me more certain of that.
I was. But I'll have you look at the post game. And see that my disdain for D1 massclaims is not indicative of my alignment.
I was basing my assumption of him at l-4 on Xyre's vote count. I had not caught that it was messed up until Zion pointed it out later. The difference from l-4 and l-2 is 2 votes. in a game with 20+ players, 2 votes is a drop in the bucket. I was also as I explained using that as a means of checking for certain tells.
And I did answer Cyan's points from the post you linked to.
Then you are not actually reading my posts. I suggest going back and doing so. Then maybe going back again and giving them a third read. Then maybe a fourth. In fact keep reading till you understand the English language because from what Ive seen of your ability to respond to people you have no ****ing clue whats going on half the time.
Pro-self doesn't necessarily mean pro-town, and it doesn't mean anti-town, either. Just needed to hear the words out of his mouth. We will agree to disagree on the second post.
Silly question:
If someone suggest something that is clearly more intended to help their faction, how do you believe they will help the town in the end based on their say so?
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mafia win/lose record
town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
So far we have 3-4 claimed neutrals. serveral people who only want to RP their way through the game. Another half dozen that have barely posted and a couple of confused town who are star struck by Cyan's prose. Past the gut feelings I have of Cyan trying to hide as scum as a claimed neutral I have yet to actually pick up any scum vibes.
I think I'm only going to use one Vote from now on unless someone needs to be hammered and it's being delayed - this will remove extraneous claims.
Any objections?
Cyan, looking up from a manuscript that appears to be about Roswell, gives Iso a shrewd look. "I was going to suggest exactly this. In particular, it makes it difficult to track voting patterns when 1/3rd of the votes on every person come from you."
He also addresses TheColdMonarch. "I did not find fault with tordeck merely for the statements that he made. In was the manner in which he made them, and the lack of sense in his explanations for them, that I had difficulty accepting."
Next, he walks up to tordeck. The animosity between the two is palpable.
" I still do not know what to make of you. Your claimed role could go either way. But the manner in which you presented your lack of a win condition makes me want to believe you. I have a hard time seeing a scum presenting information in that fashion. For now, I will leave you alone." Unvote
Lastly, he looks at KittyCupCake. "I think that part of tordeck's behavior problem is just general disdain toward me personally, and that is affecting his attitude here. We should look elsewhere."
"I believe that Macius and Zionite are the best places to look next. Both have exhibited questionable behavior thus far. Probably moreso Macius than Zionite, but it's close."
"Now, if there are no further interruptions, I need to get back to proving that aliens are responsible for the pyramids. Because they are, and once I prove it, I will laugh in the faces of everyone that ever called me crazy."
I'm not interested at all in a tordeck lynch. It looks to me like cyan jump on something, anything, to get a feel of the game. Looked in a direction an latched onto it to see where it went. I'd be surprised if he still pushes for a tordeck lynch. It's weak, nothing there.
Now to look at the wagon and where to start. Macius is a good place to move forward with.
Tell you what, WoD - I'll humor you and build a case when I'm not busy and/or exhausted/sick.
Zionite, curious - why did you unvote tordeck?
I unvoted E_P, not tordeck. I unvoted because other players have expressed discomfort in the thought of reaching the lynch threshold with E_P, so I don't think the wagon will go anywhere now.
Tell you what, WoD - I'll humor you and build a case when I'm not busy and/or exhausted/sick.
I'm surprised I'm the only one who has called you out on that - you can't just make statements like "X NEEDS TO DIE" without backing it up, and expect to be taken seriously.
You're the first person to suggest it. Yes, if all the town agrees on something, and someone is fighting it, that's generally anti-town. But you're the only one to propose it so far. So, why?
I was putting the idea out there and providing my opinion. I guess it was phrased poorly, but the intent was that if everyone was in agreement and we found out later that some had hidden it, then that would be anti-town.
Since we know now that Zion and Guardman do not actually have multiple votes, I don't think there is a point to doing it now anyway.
On to another point that I've come across in my read through: Iso seems suspicious to me.
He brought up the mass claim idea
He put his role information out there without being in claim range. The AWC that he claimed matches with the claim that he requested, but there was no need to get this information into the thread in the first place. If he is indeed a neutral with this WinCon, the scum have a more narrow pool of PR's to find.
He has stated that both Pinky needed to die without providing any reasoning but would not vote her because he is blindly supporting E. Pinata and didn't want to move his vote. He is also doing this without knowing what he could be triggering when E_P reaches whatever threshold he needs to hit.
At this point I FOS: Iso
Regarding Tordeck, I think some of his posts have been more characterizing Cyan's play and not really based on his play this game. They both seem to be tunneling each other at this point though, so I haven't come down on either side of the argument.
Pinky's line of questioning against Zionite seems off to me, as well. Zion seems to have addressed her concerns multiple times but she kept bringing them up. I also would agree that everyone who is role playing has done so in a way that it is still readable so I'm not sure why she is anti role play.
My gut on EP says that he is a neutral that gets an ability to trigger if he has enough votes at the end of the day.
Maucius (SP?) seems to be following EP around (at least in the beginning, IIRC) and pushing for his election.
EWP - Looks like the Iso "Pinky needs to die" comment has already been addressed.
My personal take on it, Eron, is that your naivety towards how setups overall work (especially one like this) is what's causing your ill-founded suspicion of me. I also dislike that you're piggybacking off of WoD.
However, I think this makes you town, given your play in other games I've seen you in. (Hell, I think I've been in all of your games.)
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Cyan steps forward. "Many of you seem confused or just uninformed regarding what behavior you should expect out of neutrals in this game. In case the term 'neutral' doesn't make it clear enough, players with such roles have no vested interest in either the town or the mafia winning. Some neutrals may be willing to work with the town because they just like it when the town wins, because no one can have any reasonable expectation that they will do so, because there is no actual reason for any claimed neutral to do so. And even if we do work with the town, at the moment that the town gets too close to winning, we will obviously have to stop doing so unless our personal WC has been achieved. You might not like it, but, it is what it is. No one liked it when I told CNN that the freemasons were really responsible for the JFK assassination, BUT THEY WERE!"
So my not wanting to vote the wrong person is why I am scum? To quote your brother on this one "the game actions that you attempted to perform do not comply with my perceived notion of best practices to execute within this game of forum-based mafia"
I'll reserve my comment for after Iso's answer to the above.
i just counted, thats vote 8. which puts me at l-3
close enough for a claim i say.
my name is mike, town delayer
i stole some tech from my last job.
this tech allows me to delay night actions against a player by 2 nights. i will know only if i am successful not who or what targeted the player. i have an unlimited number of shots.
i was not given a win con in my role pm.
i have PMed xyre to confirm if he will be giving out the town wincon in the finalized role pms and if its ok to quote my exact role name
Do you happen to have a last name?
Also, is your ability Day, Night, or whenever?
Silly question:
If someone suggest something that is clearly more intended to help their faction, how do you believe they will help the town in the end based on their say so?
You can't, except for the fact that they'll have to be alive in this case. They'll simply play based on what gives them the best chance of winning.
So far we have 3-4 claimed neutrals. serveral people who only want to RP their way through the game. Another half dozen that have barely posted and a couple of confused town who are star struck by Cyan's prose. Past the gut feelings I have of Cyan trying to hide as scum as a claimed neutral I have yet to actually pick up any scum vibes.
More ad hom. You continue to avoid all arguments against you by pretending it's based around Cyan.
Next, he walks up to tordeck. The animosity between the two is palpable.
" I still do not know what to make of you. Your claimed role could go either way. But the manner in which you presented your lack of a win condition makes me want to believe you. I have a hard time seeing a scum presenting information in that fashion. For now, I will leave you alone." Unvote
Why is that? What prevents scum from presenting information in that fashion?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Do you happen to have a last name?
Also, is your ability Day, Night, or whenever?
I got the ok from Xyre to post my actual role and name - Michael Fabrizzi - Town Chronoshifter
My ability is a night ability.
You continue to avoid all arguments against you by pretending it's based around Cyan.
Because there are no arguments. There is just Cyan spewing his garbage into the thread and a couple of people that should know better just lapping it up.
I was voting him but then I realized I can't see a world where pinkys_brain and tordeck are scum based on their interactions. And being that I think p_b is likely scum, there you have it.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I think I'm only going to use one Vote from now on unless someone needs to be hammered and it's being delayed - this will remove extraneous claims.
Any objections?
I sincerely hope that you will continue to use one vote; it makes it a bit too easy for scum to extract claims from people who you've plopped all 3 votes on, especially as the game continues.
I was putting the idea out there and providing my opinion. I guess it was phrased poorly, but the intent was that if everyone was in agreement and we found out later that some had hidden it, then that would be anti-town.
Since we know now that Zion and Guardman do not actually have multiple votes, I don't think there is a point to doing it now anyway.
On to another point that I've come across in my read through: Iso seems suspicious to me.
He brought up the mass claim idea
He put his role information out there without being in claim range. The AWC that he claimed matches with the claim that he requested, but there was no need to get this information into the thread in the first place. If he is indeed a neutral with this WinCon, the scum have a more narrow pool of PR's to find.
He has stated that both Pinky needed to die without providing any reasoning but would not vote her because he is blindly supporting E. Pinata and didn't want to move his vote. He is also doing this without knowing what he could be triggering when E_P reaches whatever threshold he needs to hit.
At this point I FOS: Iso
Regarding Tordeck, I think some of his posts have been more characterizing Cyan's play and not really based on his play this game. They both seem to be tunneling each other at this point though, so I haven't come down on either side of the argument.
Pinky's line of questioning against Zionite seems off to me, as well. Zion seems to have addressed her concerns multiple times but she kept bringing them up. I also would agree that everyone who is role playing has done so in a way that it is still readable so I'm not sure why she is anti role play.
My gut on EP says that he is a neutral that gets an ability to trigger if he has enough votes at the end of the day.
Maucius (SP?) seems to be following EP around (at least in the beginning, IIRC) and pushing for his election.
EWP - Looks like the Iso "Pinky needs to die" comment has already been addressed.
Re: Iso: This is pretty typical Iso play. Not to say he couldn't be scum, but Iso has a bombastic playstyle and my read of him is to take him at face value; as a neutral.
I was voting him but then I realized I can't see a world where pinkys_brain and tordeck are scum based on their interactions. And being that I think p_b is likely scum, there you have it.
Are their interactions really damning at this point in time? What has you so convinced that pinkys_brain is likely to be scum?
I unvoted E_P, not tordeck. I unvoted because other players have expressed discomfort in the thought of reaching the lynch threshold with E_P, so I don't think the wagon will go anywhere now.
I don't hold any strong enough convictions to advocate lynching any specific player just yet.
So your votes on Iso, Niv and EP were votes for no reason then?
He brought up the mass claim idea
He put his role information out there without being in claim range. The AWC that he claimed matches with the claim that he requested, but there was no need to get this information into the thread in the first place. If he is indeed a neutral with this WinCon, the scum have a more narrow pool of PR's to find.
He has stated that both Pinky needed to die without providing any reasoning but would not vote her because he is blindly supporting E. Pinata and didn't want to move his vote. He is also doing this without knowing what he could be triggering when E_P reaches whatever threshold he needs to hit.
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I suggest reading Flame Warriors. It is pretty much how Iso is.
Regarding Tordeck, I think some of his posts have been more characterizing Cyan's play and not really based on his play this game. They both seem to be tunneling each other at this point though, so I haven't come down on either side of the argument.
General question to anyone:
Why is Tordeck using ideas from other games to paint Cyan scummy?
Pinky's line of questioning against Zionite seems off to me, as well. Zion seems to have addressed her concerns multiple times but she kept bringing them up. I also would agree that everyone who is role playing has done so in a way that it is still readable so I'm not sure why she is anti role play.
Please quote the multiple times Zion repeated himself.
Maucius (SP?) seems to be following EP around (at least in the beginning, IIRC) and pushing for his election.
Maucius was not the only person to follow EP for the election. Why did you point him out?
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Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
To answer the reasoning on why I am voting Tordeck...
I went back and reread, and I kept seeing how defensive he got when Cyan pressured him. Now, I may be a few players short of a game, but defensiveness like that makes me think that there trying to hide something.
To answer the reasoning on why I am voting Tordeck...
I went back and reread, and I kept seeing how defensive he got when Cyan pressured him. Now, I may be a few players short of a game, but defensiveness like that makes me think that there trying to hide something.
So please explain why you voted Tordeck who had not claimed when you thought you might be putting him to L-1.
I realized that I had described a jester at that point.
Also, since you got it right, there may be a prize for you.....
540 Peasant cube- Gold EditionSomething Spicy"Giving...giving up already, you shad sack? You disgusht me! Disgusht! In Nam, the ones who gave up got LEFT BY THE SIDE OF THE ROAD! <coughing fit brought on by sudden raise in volume>
You...I don't like your looksh, buddy. Not at all. You keep your eyesh off me, or I'll...I'll take your lightsh out, you pinko bastard.
Do you...do you get powersh if I SHOVE MY BOOT UP YOUR ASS? Why...why should anyone anshwer you? You...you ain't sho hot! You ain't the boss! You....
I'm not drunk. Not. Not drunk. I remember it all. I remember...I remember more than you ever forgot, maggot.
You...shlime. Sh-lime. Shull eye me. I don't know...I...am I shaying that OK? Shull-eye-me. What was I...OH! RIGHT! YOU'RE SHLIME, YOU FESTERING SHLIMEBALL!
Who...whosh thish joker? You...you got jokesh, bud? You a funny man? Huh? Answer the simple queshtion, clown....
<seems about to launch into a rant of epic proportions, but the intake of breath triggers another coughing spell instead>
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
No i have a pro-team mentality
Its gut at this point.
The Family
Skrawk! Because Cyan said so!This statement is the reason. I'm not sure why, but it makes you scum. As for why I'm not voting you yet:
I missed that point. ^
So!
Unvote, Unvote, Unvote
Vote tordeck, Vote tordeck, Vote tordeck
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Is this real life?
So my not wanting to vote the wrong person is why I am scum? To quote your brother on this one "the game actions that you attempted to perform do not comply with my perceived notion of best practices to execute within this game of forum-based mafia"
Or it is just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide,
No escape from reality.
The Family
Please stop flaming Cyan for no good reason. I will be the first to admit that he is an incredibly frustrating player to play against at times but he hasn't even really started going that way yet. [/OOC]
I find it highly entertaining that the sentence originally designed specifically to avoid any possibility of flaming is now being viewed as flaming.
That was directed at me, not Cyan.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
540 Peasant cube- Gold EditionSomething SpicyWithin the letter of the law I have not flamed anyone. And that comment was aimed at Iso not Cyan.
5 or 6 i think
The Family
Unvote, Vote Tordeck
if it would push you to L-1. Didnt know where you were.
540 Peasant cube- Gold EditionSomething Spicyclose enough for a claim i say.
my name is mike, town delayer
i stole some tech from my last job.
this tech allows me to delay night actions against a player by 2 nights. i will know only if i am successful not who or what targeted the player. i have an unlimited number of shots.
i was not given a win con in my role pm.
i have PMed xyre to confirm if he will be giving out the town wincon in the finalized role pms and if its ok to quote my exact role name
The Family
#Cyan: Everything you attacked tordeck for, and every one of his points about not wanting to repeat history (posting restrictions, not wanting a mass0claim) are games I was with him in and agree with him. These are null tells and you are reaching with those accusations.
Horrible vote right here.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
You're the first person to suggest it. Yes, if all the town agrees on something, and someone is fighting it, that's generally anti-town. But you're the only one to propose it so far. So, why?
(11 to lynch or shutdown)
Iso - 2 (Macius, The Cold Monarch)
ganderin_dan - 2 (Wuffles_II, pinkys_brain)
Emo_Pinata - 1 (Zionite)
Niv - 1 (Niv)
tordeck - 8 (Cyan, KittyCupCake, ganderin_dan, Cyouni, Iso, Iso, Iso, Macius)
Shutdown - 0
Experiments Series: #5 (Courtly Intrigue Mafia) | #4 (Drunken Tracker) | #3 (Big Red Button) - coming soon | #2 (Pope Mafia) | #1 (Iso's Inflammable Mafia)
Mini Games: MTGS Mafia Redux II (Invitational, Evil Mirror Universe) | Unreal City
Old Games (bad): The Greenwood Affair | Blood Moon Mafia
I think I'm only going to use one Vote from now on unless someone needs to be hammered and it's being delayed - this will remove extraneous claims.
Any objections?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
unvote too.
There is a LOT of context missing, here. Fill in the blanks.
I was in that game, but I kinda stopped paying attention to it after Guardman flipped Town. I'd look, but it's your statement to back up, not mine. I place almost zero value on meta, but other people seem to value it, so please qualify it.
Meta with no backup is simply spam, or "fluff", as Pinky says.
I'm not convinced. This:
-makes sense, considering the post in question and those immediately after. I've experienced this sort of thing before, especially after drinking, so I'm not going to hold it against him. -And really, it'd be such an elaborate thing to make up for basically no reason.
7 votes isn't even close to a majority.
Yes, I know exactly what you are talking about -and it has no relevance here whatsoever. I have a lot of history with Cyan, and in that time I've shown repeatedly that I am more than happy to be the first and loudest to stand up against him when I disagree with him, because I do know how dangerous Cyan's playstyle can be when he's wrong or scum. -But I don't think he's either in this case. And you attempting another weak AtE by trying to stir up unpleasant memories is just making me more certain of that.
That's probably for the best.
My comment/questions where post 146
All you stated after was the following:
In response to AtE.
This was in response to Cyan
To give me this attitude is really inexcusable.
Just as wrong as Mean Girls and that gut tell.
@KCC: Who is currently on your scum list? I see you saying things but not really scum hunting so far.
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Silly question:
If someone suggest something that is clearly more intended to help their faction, how do you believe they will help the town in the end based on their say so?
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Zionite, curious - why did you unvote tordeck?
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What is this? Nothing townie about it.
Vote Macius
They hate us cause they ain't us.
So far we have 3-4 claimed neutrals. serveral people who only want to RP their way through the game. Another half dozen that have barely posted and a couple of confused town who are star struck by Cyan's prose. Past the gut feelings I have of Cyan trying to hide as scum as a claimed neutral I have yet to actually pick up any scum vibes.
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-Tordeck
-And yeah, it's early D1 in a big game, you shouldn't expect too much from me yet.
I'll ask you what I asked Iso. In your own words explain why you think I am scum? Has your opinion been at all changed by my claim?
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Cyan, looking up from a manuscript that appears to be about Roswell, gives Iso a shrewd look. "I was going to suggest exactly this. In particular, it makes it difficult to track voting patterns when 1/3rd of the votes on every person come from you."
He also addresses TheColdMonarch. "I did not find fault with tordeck merely for the statements that he made. In was the manner in which he made them, and the lack of sense in his explanations for them, that I had difficulty accepting."
Next, he walks up to tordeck. The animosity between the two is palpable.
" I still do not know what to make of you. Your claimed role could go either way. But the manner in which you presented your lack of a win condition makes me want to believe you. I have a hard time seeing a scum presenting information in that fashion. For now, I will leave you alone." Unvote
Lastly, he looks at KittyCupCake. "I think that part of tordeck's behavior problem is just general disdain toward me personally, and that is affecting his attitude here. We should look elsewhere."
"I believe that Macius and Zionite are the best places to look next. Both have exhibited questionable behavior thus far. Probably moreso Macius than Zionite, but it's close."
"Now, if there are no further interruptions, I need to get back to proving that aliens are responsible for the pyramids. Because they are, and once I prove it, I will laugh in the faces of everyone that ever called me crazy."
Now to look at the wagon and where to start. Macius is a good place to move forward with.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
@Zion: You want to explain any of the votes you have made today?
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I unvoted E_P, not tordeck. I unvoted because other players have expressed discomfort in the thought of reaching the lynch threshold with E_P, so I don't think the wagon will go anywhere now.
I don't hold any strong enough convictions to advocate lynching any specific player just yet.
I was putting the idea out there and providing my opinion. I guess it was phrased poorly, but the intent was that if everyone was in agreement and we found out later that some had hidden it, then that would be anti-town.
Since we know now that Zion and Guardman do not actually have multiple votes, I don't think there is a point to doing it now anyway.
On to another point that I've come across in my read through: Iso seems suspicious to me.
He brought up the mass claim idea
He put his role information out there without being in claim range. The AWC that he claimed matches with the claim that he requested, but there was no need to get this information into the thread in the first place. If he is indeed a neutral with this WinCon, the scum have a more narrow pool of PR's to find.
He has stated that both Pinky needed to die without providing any reasoning but would not vote her because he is blindly supporting E. Pinata and didn't want to move his vote. He is also doing this without knowing what he could be triggering when E_P reaches whatever threshold he needs to hit.
At this point I FOS: Iso
Regarding Tordeck, I think some of his posts have been more characterizing Cyan's play and not really based on his play this game. They both seem to be tunneling each other at this point though, so I haven't come down on either side of the argument.
Pinky's line of questioning against Zionite seems off to me, as well. Zion seems to have addressed her concerns multiple times but she kept bringing them up. I also would agree that everyone who is role playing has done so in a way that it is still readable so I'm not sure why she is anti role play.
My gut on EP says that he is a neutral that gets an ability to trigger if he has enough votes at the end of the day.
Maucius (SP?) seems to be following EP around (at least in the beginning, IIRC) and pushing for his election.
EWP - Looks like the Iso "Pinky needs to die" comment has already been addressed.
However, I think this makes you town, given your play in other games I've seen you in. (Hell, I think I've been in all of your games.)
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I'll reserve my comment for after Iso's answer to the above.
It's primarily because it's simply being used in every scenario someone would be flaming anyways.
Do you happen to have a reason for that vote?
Do you happen to have a last name?
Also, is your ability Day, Night, or whenever?
None. Your triple-vote rushed tordeck's claim by three votes-worth (he claimed at L-3).
You can't, except for the fact that they'll have to be alive in this case. They'll simply play based on what gives them the best chance of winning.
More ad hom. You continue to avoid all arguments against you by pretending it's based around Cyan.
Why is that? What prevents scum from presenting information in that fashion?
I'm not.
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Cyan fixes Iso with a cool, we-are-not-amused-by-this look.
Also, it'd be nice to actually understand zindabad.
My ability is a night ability.
Because there are no arguments. There is just Cyan spewing his garbage into the thread and a couple of people that should know better just lapping it up.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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I couldn't agree more. Willing to put someone to L-1 without a claim? vote Macius
I sincerely hope that you will continue to use one vote; it makes it a bit too easy for scum to extract claims from people who you've plopped all 3 votes on, especially as the game continues.
Re: Iso: This is pretty typical Iso play. Not to say he couldn't be scum, but Iso has a bombastic playstyle and my read of him is to take him at face value; as a neutral.
Are their interactions really damning at this point in time? What has you so convinced that pinkys_brain is likely to be scum?
So your votes on Iso, Niv and EP were votes for no reason then?
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I suggest reading Flame Warriors. It is pretty much how Iso is.
General question to anyone:
Why is Tordeck using ideas from other games to paint Cyan scummy?
Please quote the multiple times Zion repeated himself.
Maucius was not the only person to follow EP for the election. Why did you point him out?
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Basically it goes from no reason, to meta, to gut to maybe having a case.
@Iso: You want to explain why you have all the different reasons that you haven't explained for saying I need to die?
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-_- Oh Iso.
Macius, Tordeck, and Zionite are the people I'm most interested in.
Well, them and Zinda, but I'm not sure I could understand Zinda if I wanted to.
I went back and reread, and I kept seeing how defensive he got when Cyan pressured him. Now, I may be a few players short of a game, but defensiveness like that makes me think that there trying to hide something.
540 Peasant cube- Gold EditionSomething SpicySo please explain why you voted Tordeck who had not claimed when you thought you might be putting him to L-1.
I voted for him when I made sure it wasnt putting him at L-1. Thats why I asked. If he had been at L-2, I would of asked for a claim instead.
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