Sorry for asking, it's just that Arn makes a 'pronouns post' at the start of every game he plays in, and I had a hard time believing that someone who has played in a game with Arn before hasn't noticed that.
But hey, this is RVS, so I'm not allowed to read into anything at all.
My apologies, I have a tendency to do this at the start of my games.
I see these people with 3 posts a piece and I can't tell if they're gimmicks, or genuinely new players (to these forums at least). I don't suppose they could say which is the case?
Long answer: why would you even mention this when a) we're still in RVS and b) barely anyone has even posted yet? Don't claim unless you have to (i.e. you are at L-2 or the situation calls for it, such as if you are a miller).
This happened once before with vezok. I read through the game where it happened. It was hilarious.
Funny images are funny as long as they don't screw with the game? Common sense I guess.
I think you might have overreacted slightly though to be honest I don't blame you...there's a running joke on these forums that Iso is Batman...I don't know much about it and I don't understand it myself but that's what kill-joy was referencing. There's no way you could have known that though, being new here.
I'm making comments, I never said they had anything to do with me finding scum. If I didn't comment on things people said, the game would go nowhere. But I'll gladly stop making comments if that's what you want me to do.
All of those for starters
Responding or commenting on every inane thing in RVS doesn't really contribute anything to the game but it makes you look like you're playing
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Poggy: well I personally think that would be a waste of a cop. Besides, we don't even know what the response to a Neutral would be (in most games, the cop is told Town/Not Town) so it could be a very big waste.
Is this common in games here? On one hand it's a waste to confirm me, but I wasn't going to complain if it happened. Oh well.
Town's Little Helper would like to point out that 9 people haven't posted yet. #snoozescum
Re: copping Pi: Waste of time. Unless the cop gets FULL alignment details (as opposed to just town and not town) then we already know the result.
And in the former case, confirming his neutrality does us little good. Aiming at town or scum is 100% better than confirming a neutral since hitting town confirms a town, and confirming a scum helps win the game.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
And in the former case, confirming his neutrality does us little good. Aiming at town or scum is 100% better than confirming a neutral since hitting town confirms a town, and confirming a scum helps win the game.
Yeah, it's about maximizing information. This applies to priest (cop) and vig or any other random kills.
Like I know right now who I would tentatively check as a cop, and who I would vig. (They actually aren't the same player.) But coaching a vig is almost as bad as coaching the cop, so I'm keeping my mouth shut on this topic.
True Arnnaria; sorry, I got up at 3am and have my blinds closed. I keep thinking it's way later than it actually is.
Well I have finals this week too. Really important do-or-don't-graduate finals. But I also have a sinus infection. So I've been doing my studying when my head is clear (6am to 12pm). After I need to take my second dose of sudafed, I give up on studying and just surf the boards.
Well I have finals this week too. Really important do-or-don't-graduate finals. But I also have a sinus infection. So I've been doing my studying when my head is clear (6am to 12pm). After I need to take my second dose of sudafed, I give up on studying and just surf the boards.
Well, good luck; I know a guy who put off a pair of finals like that too much and it didn't end well.
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i turned off signatures because the ones on this forum are too large for my likes
but it appears as though he has only played on one forum. hmm.
as for games, that's Not a Lot but it's more than five. :/ hmmmmm. lots of hm.
basically imo he is townderp that hasn't figured out what to do in earlygame. this is why i asked that question.
bolly you should ask people questions! about stuff. not stuff that's in their posts but questions in general.
So then, question for everyone, and I want a yes/no answer please: does Pi's claim mean that we should essentially leave him alone, at least for toDay? In my opinion, yes it does. And with that, I'm going to bed.
this is great but if you had been paying attention someone already asked this.
that is one of the problems i have seen with this forum. you talk in circles and restate things others have said. where i come from, this is a scumtell, but here, it is how everyone plays. no wonder you see fit to have month long days.
anyway leave him alone until it becomes apparent that he is actually a threat, in which case, lynch him! or vig him or w/e. him claiming means that he doesn't expect to get dead. let's not get him dead until there is a clear reason to do so. "ruin all third parties" is a sad meta-state.
i am not backing off this vote so i save myself, im simply allowing myself to back off of this vote if it turns out that bolly starts acting town.
Let me tell you a story, one of the the stray vote. At the start of a game, a stray vote is weak, unfocused, but still important. It is a statement. It says that out of everyone, this is a person that you could see dead. This is someone that I feel is either useless to town's efforts or whose death should enlighten and inform. This is someone who I want lynched. All votes do not have to be made with this in mind, but they should at least be shown as such, otherwise, what is the point? Who will react to a single vote made out of a desire for pressure or for reaction lulz if it is stated? No one except the newest of souls.
Now, as time goes on, votes die out, and the remaining ones grow stronger. There is more pressure on your vote, more thought behind it. You need to be sure that you want that person dead, positive without a doubt. It is important! For who knows when the next vote will be the last. You need to have a record, of who you wanted dead the most, for others to go on, and the vote is that tool! But the stray vote? The one without thought or care, that can be the most damaging tool of all. If you neglect it, forget it, or leave it on someone you are unsure of, ever unaware of the looming scum hammer waiting to happen, then you doom us all.
If you are never sure of your vote, then why vote at all? If your vote means nothing to you, then what should it mean to those who you attack? No, NO. One must believe in their vote and its power.
you are the one who wants to distrcat the towns resources away from killing scum and use them on a likely aid to the town?
you have got to be kidding me
Oh yes, I am so sure that a third party role is so keen on being used as a town resource. Pi knows that he isn't going to be lynched. He knows that he isn't going to be night killed by scum. We don't know if he's telling the truth, we don't know if he truly wins with scum in the way that he has said! The easiest way to find out is to kill him, vigilantee. Now, Mirdini, Mirdini, Mirdini. Your vote for him is on the basis of him wanting to remove a wild card, a third party that could potentially lose us the game if left unchecked? That's ridiculous.
NOW ON TO THE MAIN COURSE.
copping is not the same as vigging, bolly i wouldnt mind to see him copped so that we know for sure we have an almost always helpful neutral.
1) There is almost never a reason to cop a claimed Miller or Godfather. It is a waste of a cop unless we are going sanity checking which is MUCH BETTER done via a lynch.
im pretty sure anyone suggesting to use up a vig shot on someone who kills mafia is not thinking very well.
maybe we should cop him but vigging him seems awful
It takes two of his woundings to kill scum and that requires that he visit the scum kill of the night. As scum now knows what would happen if they met Pi at the night, they would not go and send out a wounded scum member out to kill, which stops them from ever meeting Pi.
If at the end of the game, it is lylo, and there is only one scum member left unwounded(but say, two in total), and Pi is alive, here are the options for them.
1) Scum tries for a myslynch on Pi or one of the other two remaining town.
2) Not wounded scum claims and votes to no lynch and tells Pi who he will kill in the night.
Now, assuming that Pi is telling the truth to his claim, and he knows that there is one wounded and one not wounded scum, then here are his options.
1) Vote for the not wounded scum member, which could result in his death and the wounded scum member winning anyway.
2) Vote to no lynch with the not wounded scum member, follow on his deal, and win when day starts and both scum are wounded.
There are other scenario's yes, but here's another choice.
Let's say it is LYLO, all three scum are wounded. This means that Pi has essentially won. He has two options, let the game go on, which has a chance of him losing because he dies or something. Or call to vote with scum, which means he instantly wins instead of waiting around for three scum lynches.
have no idea why you want to waste a vig on him...
WHO WOULD NOT BE A WASTE OF A VIG? KILLING PI IS NOT KILLING TOWN. THAT DOES NOT SOUND LIKE A WASTE TO ME!!!
Yea okay this is too long already.
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Hi guys, game started after I went to bed and then I ended up staying at work late (but not going climbing afterwards so I got home in time to post today, yay!)
So uh. Why are we talking about Chocolate Pi? He's an obvious choice for a vig and he's a bad choice for a lynch. This ... will not change basically ever? At LYLO/MYLO he's a bad choice because then we lose, before that he's a bad choice because then we get closer to LYLO/MYLO. Just ... leave him be for now?
That said, though. I really think at least one of the votes on Mirdini is bad. I've got a decent townread on him atm, and it really looks like scum are trying to push a lynch on the "weak" newbie?
Specifically, I intensely dislike post #147. vote: Kill-joy.
Also, while I'm on the topic of "everything that isn't talking about a third party":
What's the local meta like? Is there anyone who suffers the curse of always dying night one? Anyone who's super-scummy all the time? Anyone who is never scummy even as scum? anything else like that?
(Also a bit of knowledge of typical local setup meta would be good, but that's so much harder to encapsulate.)
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Ironically, I think cpi's claim means he's going to receive 0 protection visits now, as well as near 0 cop visits.
This is the first I've said on the matter, but I don't see him doing that as a third party.
Why would he stick his neck out so early, when he could have easily laid low and played pro-town anyways?
Guilty conscience and self preservation. His role name has "Serial Killer" in it. One rolecop investigation would lead him to the gallows no matter what explanation he provided. So, he jumped the gun and confessed in order to save his own behind. Which, puts the town at risk because now we have to decide on vig shots and other scenarios.
I'll say it again: you can't save your ass and your face at the same time.
Hi guys, game started after I went to bed and then I ended up staying at work late (but not going climbing afterwards so I got home in time to post today, yay!)
So uh. Why are we talking about Chocolate Pi? He's an obvious choice for a vig and he's a bad choice for a lynch. This ... will not change basically ever? At LYLO/MYLO he's a bad choice because then we lose, before that he's a bad choice because then we get closer to LYLO/MYLO. Just ... leave him be for now?
That said, though. I really think at least one of the votes on Mirdini is bad. I've got a decent townread on him atm, and it really looks like scum are trying to push a lynch on the "weak" newbie?
Specifically, I intensely dislike post #147. vote: Kill-joy.
Also, while I'm on the topic of "everything that isn't talking about a third party":
What's the local meta like? Is there anyone who suffers the curse of always dying night one? Anyone who's super-scummy all the time? Anyone who is never scummy even as scum? anything else like that?
(Also a bit of knowledge of typical local setup meta would be good, but that's so much harder to encapsulate.)
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I'd say, watch Iso and Cold Monarch carefully.
Both are really good players and have the stats to prove it. Both are very calm, cool, and collected most of the time. And if they're not, it usually means some machinations are going on.
The really good players usually have stats in their sigs though.
On average I find most scum don't really have the balls to claim miller day one simply because of the undue attention it draws them - making any slips that much harder to cover up (heck, even I haven't fake-claimed straight miller as scum before, and the gravedigger claim was only because it worked perfectly with some fake flavor), so I probably wouldn't agree with a policy lynch on a miller claim, at least not immediately when the player could still contribute a lot if they're actually a town miller.
One of my scumbuddies in Cyberpunk Mafia claimed Miller on Day 1 at my recommendation.
Dude... What in the world are you talking about? How am I being nitpicky there? Hell, how am I being nitpicky anywhere? And how am I 'going on' that? Oh yeah, poggy's scum because he doesn't have an avatar. That's totally what I'm saying here.
Hey guys, what's the argument against Bolly aside from "derf Bolly seems scummy"? Because that's ALWAYS a bull**** push. Always. Substantiate or back off.
i am not backing off this vote so i save myself, im simply allowing myself to back off of this vote if it turns out that bolly starts acting town.
Because a lack of conviction shows wishy-washiness, willingness to lynch more people than you should want to lynch, and fencesitting. All scummy behavior.
If the point was to explain what you found scummy about Bolly, quoting a bunch of **** and not explaining WHY you think it makes Bolly scummy doesn't really help him understand the case (or lack thereof, in this instance) on him, and as such, you can't expect this lynch to be a good one.
basically imo he is townderp that hasn't figured out what to do in earlygame. this is why i asked that question.
Everything you have posted so far makes me want to punch you through the internet. I don't know if that makes you scum, though. What are your thoughts on the game state so far?
What's the local meta like? Is there anyone who suffers the curse of always dying night one? Anyone who's super-scummy all the time? Anyone who is never scummy even as scum? anything else like that?
(Also a bit of knowledge of typical local setup meta would be good, but that's so much harder to encapsulate.)
Usually vets (ZeDorkSlipeur, ced395, etc.) are killed off Night 1 unless someone claims a useful PR on Day 1. My play is always bat**** insane but I'll let you be the judge of that.
Both are really good players and have the stats to prove it. Both are very calm, cool, and collected most of the time. And if they're not, it usually means some machinations are going on.
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Everything you have posted so far makes me want to punch you through the internet. I don't know if that makes you scum, though. What are your thoughts on the game state so far?
*cackle* *cackle*
chococo's reveal... is busy being a wine generator for everyone. It's already been a wine generator for town in the last bit, you'd better believe it's going to be a wine generator for scum, too.
so basically, as everyone is busy drowning in the wine, people like you have completely avoided the winetastrophe and are actually getting things done. it'll take a while for people to notice, though, because they're accidentally drunkifying themselves instead of paying attention to things that matter, like scum.
tldr gamestate = wine everywhere. oh god. run. it's a tsunami. aaaa.
If the point was to explain what you found scummy about Bolly, quoting a bunch of **** and not explaining WHY you think it makes Bolly scummy doesn't really help him understand the case (or lack thereof, in this instance) on him, and as such, you can't expect this lynch to be a good one.
Responding or commenting on every inane thing in RVS doesn't really contribute anything to the game but it makes you look like you're playing
Was that too vague? Scum can try to establish their presence early on by loading up thier postcounts and it's as good a reason to lynch earlygame as any other
That said if he's the local Zatch then I can let him be
Vote: poggy will work for me
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chococo's reveal... is busy being a wine generator for everyone. It's already been a wine generator for town in the last bit, you'd better believe it's going to be a wine generator for scum, too.
so basically, as everyone is busy drowning in the wine, people like you have completely avoided the winetastrophe and are actually getting things done. it'll take a while for people to notice, though, because they're accidentally drunkifying themselves instead of paying attention to things that matter, like scum.
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Was that too vague? Scum can try to establish their presence early on by loading up thier postcounts and it's as good a reason to lynch earlygame as any other
I let RVS go on for like 100 posts in Peso del Grande Mafia - I think it's null.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
So, as has been said, Bolly is erratic in RVS - see Mean Girls for reference.
Regarding Bolly's question I say leave ChocoPi (sounds so yummy) alone for now.
And the majority of Mirindi's posts have amounted to:
Ahhhhhh, fear mongering!!!!! LYLO Ahhhhhhh kill it!!!!!! MYLO Fear fear fear. Oh by the way, let's not talk about this anymore...
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That said, though. I really think at least one of the votes on Mirdini is bad. I've got a decent townread on him atm, and it really looks like scum are trying to push a lynch on the "weak" newbie?
What makes you think he's town? Back it up, please.
Specifically, I intensely dislike post #147. vote: Kill-joy.
What about it did you not like? What was scummy about it?
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I think he's town because he is acting like I would expect someone who is town to act, and is not acting like I would expect a scum to act?
Scum don't fight thirdparty claims on day one, and if they DO, they push for lynch, not for vigging.
Chocolate Pi being vigged is something the scumteam isn't going to want. They'd like him to be lynched, because that means one more night they can kill with and a lynch that they don't have to worry about, but him being vigged ... actually hurts them, because then they can't joint with him at mylo/lylo. Certainly they'd prefer a vig on town over a vig on him, at any rate.
And ... he's not fearmongering? He's pointing out that Chocolate Pi is saying false things. Of course CPi will joint with maf at mylo/lylo, doing anything else is insane. Third parties who can do that, will do that. Because they want to win.
... but that doesn't mean he's a good lynch, and he's very much not an informative lynch.
So arguing against his lynch... is fine and reasonable? And Mirdini tried to move on from it and then people keep aggroing him over it. With ... no content and misrepresentation of his points and ffff.
which is what is wrong with #147. It is a weak aggropost that very much looks like an attempt to lynch the noob without providing much in the way of reasons... which is a not-uncommon scumploy, IME.
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All of those for starters
Responding or commenting on every inane thing in RVS doesn't really contribute anything to the game but it makes you look like you're playing
As far as villain vs. not? She was both at alternate points, IIRC.
Is this common in games here? On one hand it's a waste to confirm me, but I wasn't going to complain if it happened. Oh well.
Town's Little Helper would like to point out that 9 people haven't posted yet. #snoozescum
And in the former case, confirming his neutrality does us little good. Aiming at town or scum is 100% better than confirming a neutral since hitting town confirms a town, and confirming a scum helps win the game.
Well, I know 2/9 are away from the Internet now. Can't say who because I think that would fall under "discussing ongoing games."
And it's evening, people just got home from work.
And it's also finals week for a lot of college kids.
I wouldn't expect everyone to check in until after Memorial Day.
I think a lot of people are going to be surprised at how far things have progressed.
Yeah, it's about maximizing information. This applies to priest (cop) and vig or any other random kills.
Like I know right now who I would tentatively check as a cop, and who I would vig. (They actually aren't the same player.) But coaching a vig is almost as bad as coaching the cop, so I'm keeping my mouth shut on this topic.
Reading the game now, will post coherent thoughts when I'm done.
Well I have finals this week too. Really important do-or-don't-graduate finals. But I also have a sinus infection. So I've been doing my studying when my head is clear (6am to 12pm). After I need to take my second dose of sudafed, I give up on studying and just surf the boards.
Well, good luck; I know a guy who put off a pair of finals like that too much and it didn't end well.
Or rather, hasn't ended. Don't be that guy.
Thanks. I've got most of my material down.
But, back to the game, Votecount?
Die, tezz. Vote MzztrTetris
Also, holy hell, 11 pages already? I need to get caught up - I just drove 7 hours today, so yeah, I'll be posting when I've read.
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how much mafia have you played, bro.
ebwop poggy doesn't look very good at mafia either.
poggy, do you have FUN when you play mafia?
i turned off signatures because the ones on this forum are too large for my likes
but it appears as though he has only played on one forum. hmm.
as for games, that's Not a Lot but it's more than five. :/ hmmmmm. lots of hm.
basically imo he is townderp that hasn't figured out what to do in earlygame. this is why i asked that question.
bolly you should ask people questions! about stuff. not stuff that's in their posts but questions in general.
this is great but if you had been paying attention someone already asked this.
that is one of the problems i have seen with this forum. you talk in circles and restate things others have said. where i come from, this is a scumtell, but here, it is how everyone plays. no wonder you see fit to have month long days.
anyway leave him alone until it becomes apparent that he is actually a threat, in which case, lynch him! or vig him or w/e. him claiming means that he doesn't expect to get dead. let's not get him dead until there is a clear reason to do so. "ruin all third parties" is a sad meta-state.
This is the first I've said on the matter, but I don't see him doing that as a third party.
Why would he stick his neck out so early, when he could have easily laid low and played pro-town anyways?
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Let me tell you a story, one of the the stray vote. At the start of a game, a stray vote is weak, unfocused, but still important. It is a statement. It says that out of everyone, this is a person that you could see dead. This is someone that I feel is either useless to town's efforts or whose death should enlighten and inform. This is someone who I want lynched. All votes do not have to be made with this in mind, but they should at least be shown as such, otherwise, what is the point? Who will react to a single vote made out of a desire for pressure or for reaction lulz if it is stated? No one except the newest of souls.
Now, as time goes on, votes die out, and the remaining ones grow stronger. There is more pressure on your vote, more thought behind it. You need to be sure that you want that person dead, positive without a doubt. It is important! For who knows when the next vote will be the last. You need to have a record, of who you wanted dead the most, for others to go on, and the vote is that tool! But the stray vote? The one without thought or care, that can be the most damaging tool of all. If you neglect it, forget it, or leave it on someone you are unsure of, ever unaware of the looming scum hammer waiting to happen, then you doom us all.
If you are never sure of your vote, then why vote at all? If your vote means nothing to you, then what should it mean to those who you attack? No, NO. One must believe in their vote and its power.
Anyway.
Oh yes, I am so sure that a third party role is so keen on being used as a town resource. Pi knows that he isn't going to be lynched. He knows that he isn't going to be night killed by scum. We don't know if he's telling the truth, we don't know if he truly wins with scum in the way that he has said! The easiest way to find out is to kill him, vigilantee. Now, Mirdini, Mirdini, Mirdini. Your vote for him is on the basis of him wanting to remove a wild card, a third party that could potentially lose us the game if left unchecked? That's ridiculous.
NOW ON TO THE MAIN COURSE.
1) There is almost never a reason to cop a claimed Miller or Godfather. It is a waste of a cop unless we are going sanity checking which is MUCH BETTER done via a lynch.
It takes two of his woundings to kill scum and that requires that he visit the scum kill of the night. As scum now knows what would happen if they met Pi at the night, they would not go and send out a wounded scum member out to kill, which stops them from ever meeting Pi.
If at the end of the game, it is lylo, and there is only one scum member left unwounded(but say, two in total), and Pi is alive, here are the options for them.
1) Scum tries for a myslynch on Pi or one of the other two remaining town.
2) Not wounded scum claims and votes to no lynch and tells Pi who he will kill in the night.
Now, assuming that Pi is telling the truth to his claim, and he knows that there is one wounded and one not wounded scum, then here are his options.
1) Vote for the not wounded scum member, which could result in his death and the wounded scum member winning anyway.
2) Vote to no lynch with the not wounded scum member, follow on his deal, and win when day starts and both scum are wounded.
There are other scenario's yes, but here's another choice.
Let's say it is LYLO, all three scum are wounded. This means that Pi has essentially won. He has two options, let the game go on, which has a chance of him losing because he dies or something. Or call to vote with scum, which means he instantly wins instead of waiting around for three scum lynches.
WHO WOULD NOT BE A WASTE OF A VIG? KILLING PI IS NOT KILLING TOWN. THAT DOES NOT SOUND LIKE A WASTE TO ME!!!
Yea okay this is too long already.
I'm illiterate. I just yell things at my stenographer. - Mme Sparklecakes XVII
i make vharactyers happen on kepyord - Wheeeeeeatthins
I give you permission to speculate wildly as to whether this is a hint as to the nature of your collective demise should you do nothing to prevent it. - Marelo
So uh. Why are we talking about Chocolate Pi? He's an obvious choice for a vig and he's a bad choice for a lynch. This ... will not change basically ever? At LYLO/MYLO he's a bad choice because then we lose, before that he's a bad choice because then we get closer to LYLO/MYLO. Just ... leave him be for now?
That said, though. I really think at least one of the votes on Mirdini is bad. I've got a decent townread on him atm, and it really looks like scum are trying to push a lynch on the "weak" newbie?
Specifically, I intensely dislike post #147. vote: Kill-joy.
Also, while I'm on the topic of "everything that isn't talking about a third party":
What's the local meta like? Is there anyone who suffers the curse of always dying night one? Anyone who's super-scummy all the time? Anyone who is never scummy even as scum? anything else like that?
(Also a bit of knowledge of typical local setup meta would be good, but that's so much harder to encapsulate.)
(For those who care: I live in the pacific timezone and work a fulltime job, so my activity is somewhat sporadic. Also, someone asked about pronouns: I am male.)
Guilty conscience and self preservation. His role name has "Serial Killer" in it. One rolecop investigation would lead him to the gallows no matter what explanation he provided. So, he jumped the gun and confessed in order to save his own behind. Which, puts the town at risk because now we have to decide on vig shots and other scenarios.
I'll say it again: you can't save your ass and your face at the same time.
he is being really catty with the insults and just generally arrogant.
I'd say, watch Iso and Cold Monarch carefully.
Both are really good players and have the stats to prove it. Both are very calm, cool, and collected most of the time. And if they're not, it usually means some machinations are going on.
The really good players usually have stats in their sigs though.
i'm a bear.
the cat is acionyx.
also i'm not trying to be insulting i am just sort of abrasive towards things i dislike... all of the time forever. :x
(also also girl)
yeah she's pretty irritating a lot of the time!
Especially when she's right.
Unvote
A mutant frog.
Your mom.
One of my scumbuddies in Cyberpunk Mafia claimed Miller on Day 1 at my recommendation.
Why are you overreacting?
Is...this an ability? Or are you trying to vote for him?
I'm not sure what to make of Chocolate Pi's claim. But I want him dead if he wins WITH the mafia by injuring all of the mafia. Vote Chocolate Pi
Thank you. Arnnaria for town.
Why would he give us his own role information? That doesn't make sense, regardless of his alignment. Unvote, Vote poggydude poggy for scum.
Hi, I'm Iso. Have we met?
I know, right?
I think you and I are gonna get along just fine in this game.
Link some examples.
Hey guys, what's the argument against Bolly aside from "derf Bolly seems scummy"? Because that's ALWAYS a bull**** push. Always. Substantiate or back off.
Hey you might be town after all.
Because a lack of conviction shows wishy-washiness, willingness to lynch more people than you should want to lynch, and fencesitting. All scummy behavior.
OMGUS!
If the point was to explain what you found scummy about Bolly, quoting a bunch of **** and not explaining WHY you think it makes Bolly scummy doesn't really help him understand the case (or lack thereof, in this instance) on him, and as such, you can't expect this lynch to be a good one.
DIAF.
Is there a problem with me breadcrumbing my character?
Everything you have posted so far makes me want to punch you through the internet. I don't know if that makes you scum, though. What are your thoughts on the game state so far?
Sci, you can be townbuddies with me, too.
Usually vets (ZeDorkSlipeur, ced395, etc.) are killed off Night 1 unless someone claims a useful PR on Day 1. My play is always bat**** insane but I'll let you be the judge of that.
Nice distancing from your potential scumbuddy.
Aw. You flatter me.
Man. I'm gonna be up the wall all game, then.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'm illiterate. I just yell things at my stenographer. - Mme Sparklecakes XVII
i make vharactyers happen on kepyord - Wheeeeeeatthins
I give you permission to speculate wildly as to whether this is a hint as to the nature of your collective demise should you do nothing to prevent it. - Marelo
I like you.
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I think there's a queue out the door for that one...
Also, by the by, I would prefer to be called Solaris, Sol, Sollie (if you are feeling... frisky) or any variation thereof over 'Sci.'
I'm illiterate. I just yell things at my stenographer. - Mme Sparklecakes XVII
i make vharactyers happen on kepyord - Wheeeeeeatthins
I give you permission to speculate wildly as to whether this is a hint as to the nature of your collective demise should you do nothing to prevent it. - Marelo
*cackle* *cackle*
chococo's reveal... is busy being a wine generator for everyone. It's already been a wine generator for town in the last bit, you'd better believe it's going to be a wine generator for scum, too.
so basically, as everyone is busy drowning in the wine, people like you have completely avoided the winetastrophe and are actually getting things done. it'll take a while for people to notice, though, because they're accidentally drunkifying themselves instead of paying attention to things that matter, like scum.
tldr gamestate = wine everywhere. oh god. run. it's a tsunami. aaaa.
OI
Was that too vague? Scum can try to establish their presence early on by loading up thier postcounts and it's as good a reason to lynch earlygame as any other
That said if he's the local Zatch then I can let him be
Vote: poggy will work for me
So what are you doing, then?
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I let RVS go on for like 100 posts in Peso del Grande Mafia - I think it's null.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Have you the girly parts?
Let's be friends.
Yes this has little to no contribution to the game at hand.
No I don't care.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Do you lot do wagon analysis around here?
Affirmative.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
So, as has been said, Bolly is erratic in RVS - see Mean Girls for reference.
Regarding Bolly's question I say leave ChocoPi (sounds so yummy) alone for now.
And the majority of Mirindi's posts have amounted to:
Ahhhhhh, fear mongering!!!!! LYLO Ahhhhhhh kill it!!!!!! MYLO Fear fear fear. Oh by the way, let's not talk about this anymore...
Unvote Prime Intelligence, Vote Mirindi
is this standard.
Do you really auto-aggro on people for reasonably pointing out the issue with a third-party claim?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Accurate as of post # 208. If you believe that I have made a mistake, please bring it to my attention.
Chocolate PI (1): Bolly,
Iso (1): Wrath_of_DoG,
EronTheRelentless (1): Vitek
Niv (1): Niv,
Laset (1): A Bear,
Bolly (1): Prime Intellect
Mirdini (4): Chocolate Pi, Kill-joy, poggydude, EronTheRelentless,
poggydude (4): Mirdini, SciSolaris, Iso, Acionyx,
Kill-joy (1): Laset,
Not Voting (9): The Cold Monarch, Vishamon, Atogaholic, Voxxicus, Deaths Vampire, Dark Shadow, Arnnaria, jdisawesomesauce, MzztrTetris
With 24 alive, it is 13 to lynch.
smoke_Killah
What makes you think he's town? Back it up, please.
What about it did you not like? What was scummy about it?
Really? Me too. Where in the pacific?
Scum don't fight thirdparty claims on day one, and if they DO, they push for lynch, not for vigging.
Chocolate Pi being vigged is something the scumteam isn't going to want. They'd like him to be lynched, because that means one more night they can kill with and a lynch that they don't have to worry about, but him being vigged ... actually hurts them, because then they can't joint with him at mylo/lylo. Certainly they'd prefer a vig on town over a vig on him, at any rate.
And ... he's not fearmongering? He's pointing out that Chocolate Pi is saying false things. Of course CPi will joint with maf at mylo/lylo, doing anything else is insane. Third parties who can do that, will do that. Because they want to win.
... but that doesn't mean he's a good lynch, and he's very much not an informative lynch.
So arguing against his lynch... is fine and reasonable? And Mirdini tried to move on from it and then people keep aggroing him over it. With ... no content and misrepresentation of his points and ffff.
which is what is wrong with #147. It is a weak aggropost that very much looks like an attempt to lynch the noob without providing much in the way of reasons... which is a not-uncommon scumploy, IME.