To participate in a team (or sole had I been neutral) victory. My same goal in every game I play. Some people want achievements and bonus unlockables. You are that guy. I want to win and really could care less about game mechanics.
Btw, im serious about us all agreeing to play the whole game in the hospital.
I suspect that Iso would have something built into the game to stop players from doing exactly this, both because it's a natural player response to clump up at the location of the vaccine, and because it would probably invalidate an inordinate amount of work from the host's perspective.
There's no reason to think we can't all go to the hospital, and it makes an incredible amount of sense for us to do so. I'm sure Iso might not get his maximum enjoyment out of us neutering five locations of the six, but oh well I guess.
It blows my mind that the reason you don't think we should move to the hospital is "huurrrr i bet we cant for no reason durr mod gaming". It does not speak well to your motivations imo.
I really don't give two ****s where anyone goes. I can't be infected anyway. If you want to go to the hospital, go to the hospital. I just feel bad for Iso, that's all.
You don't give two ****s where we go?
unvote: vote silvershe
Also you realize you will also be going to the hospital in the aforementioned plan yes?
Read what I put. I can't be infected. So, explain to me what I'm missing, that it should matter to me? Because I can't see a reason from where I'm sitting.
So you will willingly lock yourself in the hospital with the rest of us no complaints?
It's a yes/no question. Being edgy and saying you don't care does make you super standoffish and bad ass obviously, but it doesnt really help the discussion.
I feel like you're fishing hard for something, but I dunno what it would be.
If we want to lock ourselves in the hospital, then that's fine. If we want to run around site to site without any plan at all, that's fine too. Honey badger don' give a ****.
I think we're having a miscommunication here somewhere. I still don't see why I should care about being in the hospital.
Also, DYH, you didn't answer my question. Why exactly is Shark getting a free ride for his blatantly scummy post?
So yes or no to my hospital question?
Like i asked for yes or no pretty directly and you wrote four separate diatribes.
Sure. I have no complaints. Just because I don't understand how it matters doesn't mean I'm opposed to it. I've tried telling you this three or four times now.
I disagreed with your assessment of it being "blatantly scummy" because I can't see the motivation for any alignment to ask it, and I said I want him to explain why he asked it knowing he was going to accumulate votes as a result.
I. was of that same mindset until I figured he's some neutral who wants to get infected.
Can you see that post as having come from a town viewpoint?
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I can't see any reason for anyone to ask this question.
This != scum motivation.
I certainly would like to know what Shark was thinking when he asked it, because he had to know this was going to escalate into immediate votes.
Well, considering the terminology used and the way the post was phrased, I immediately translate that post to "I have control of the t-virus, and I'm looking to infect people. Who wants to volunteer?" I have reasons to suspect a role like that exists. Given the theme of the game as being survival-horror, would you expect such an individual to be town-aligned?
You are extrapolating way too much about other players' roles.
@SS: That's a pretty large flavor assumption, especially since quick check of the rules lays out exactly how the virus spreads.
I don't think such a role exists, but unless there's reason to believe the virus kills rather than provides bonus abilities, it could be town-aligned, sure.
@SS: That's a pretty large flavor assumption, especially since quick check of the rules lays out exactly how the virus spreads.
I don't think such a role exists, but unless there's reason to believe the virus kills rather than provides bonus abilities, it could be town-aligned, sure.
It's a large assumption until you know what my role does. Again, from where I'm sitting, I find it easily both conceivable and believable.
So you're immune to the T-virus, you think someone can make it spread, and you're being obstinate with regards to everyone hiding out at the Hospital, where people are safe from the T-virus.
Btw, im serious about us all agreeing to play the whole game in the hospital.
I suspect that Iso would have something built into the game to stop players from doing exactly this, both because it's a natural player response to clump up at the location of the vaccine, and because it would probably invalidate an inordinate amount of work from the host's perspective.
There's no reason to think we can't all go to the hospital, and it makes an incredible amount of sense for us to do so. I'm sure Iso might not get his maximum enjoyment out of us neutering five locations of the six, but oh well I guess.
It blows my mind that the reason you don't think we should move to the hospital is "huurrrr i bet we cant for no reason durr mod gaming". It does not speak well to your motivations imo.
I really don't give two ****s where anyone goes. I can't be infected anyway. If you want to go to the hospital, go to the hospital. I just feel bad for Iso, that's all.
You don't give two ****s where we go?
unvote: vote silvershe
Also you realize you will also be going to the hospital in the aforementioned plan yes?
Read what I put. I can't be infected. So, explain to me what I'm missing, that it should matter to me? Because I can't see a reason from where I'm sitting.
So you will willingly lock yourself in the hospital with the rest of us no complaints?
It's a yes/no question. Being edgy and saying you don't care does make you super standoffish and bad ass obviously, but it doesnt really help the discussion.
I feel like you're fishing hard for something, but I dunno what it would be.
If we want to lock ourselves in the hospital, then that's fine. If we want to run around site to site without any plan at all, that's fine too. Honey badger don' give a ****.
I think we're having a miscommunication here somewhere. I still don't see why I should care about being in the hospital.
Also, DYH, you didn't answer my question. Why exactly is Shark getting a free ride for his blatantly scummy post?
So yes or no to my hospital question?
Like i asked for yes or no pretty directly and you wrote four separate diatribes.
Sure. I have no complaints. Just because I don't understand how it matters doesn't mean I'm opposed to it. I've tried telling you this three or four times now.
Oh ok cool, my b.
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So you're immune to the T-virus, you think someone can make it spread, and you're being obstinate with regards to everyone hiding out at the Hospital, where people are safe from the T-virus.
I don't believe you at all.
Hahaha i missed this while I was in exile. Oh how I missed it.
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You know more crude songs than any other member of the Royal Court.
Hah - it's not true that the Navy is all about rum, sodomy and the lash
though. It's also about boats ! Great big boats with lots and lots of
cannons on them. Truth be told, you'd much rather be out sailing than
hanging around at the Royal Court. On the other hand, this business
with the traitors sounds pretty serious. After all, there's been a lot
of trouble with pirates of late and you really hate pirates.
Traitors are probably just pirates without their parrots.
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- One night only during the game you may fire the cannons of the Royal Navy of Azureia at a location. If you do so then everyone in that location is killed and these kills may not be prevented.
- Each night your crew can use their telescopes to keep an eye on people in the Docks. Sadly they can't tell people apart from their silhouettes, but what they can tell you is how many Traitors were amongst the group.
I don't recall signups saying we were required to explore every game mechanic. Heck, this is a survival horror game, all the more reason to hole up in a hospital.
Are you...pushing flavor as a reason to follow you?
So guess what guys, I'm in the hospital and never ****ing leaving, and everyone should join me in this endeavor.
I can't, in good conscience, just follow you on this. Two reasons:
1. If you're town, I believe that you believe this is the best thing to do. But in this game, that little two letter word--IF--is pretty big. What's to say you--or someone else, even--aren't (for instance) Saddler, Cult Leader, and have the ability to Las Plagas everyone who's in the same location as you?
2. I don't feel that the complexity reduction offered by your plan (which is the only immediate positive I can see from my point of view) outweighs the potential for abilities gained while infected.
However, if you can convince a majority to join you tonight, I will do so as well, but I'm certainly not committing to a lock-in.
1. If you're town, I believe that you believe this is the best thing to do. But in this game, that little two letter word--IF--is pretty big. What's to say you--or someone else, even--aren't (for instance) Saddler, Cult Leader, and have the ability to Las Plagas everyone who's in the same location as you?
Kpaca's been an anti-town neutral in roughly 46% of his games on MTGS.
I say shaft it to the gambler's fallacy, we're going to the H to the O to the S to the P to the I T A L we're going to the HOSPITAL.
A mere detour. Depending on his claim I may go right back to Shark.
A vote just to see a claim :isthatso:?
That's basically what he's saying, but given that SS's first line of defense was to hint at T-virus immunity, then point it out again, and then to extrapolate a case based on it - I can't disagree with the sentiment. Call his bluff, as it were.
Also cantripmancer I was being facetious with what you are calling me using flavor to push a plan. I dont pay any attention to flavor.
And I'm counting you as a soft yes for the sleepover since you said you won't throw up major arguments, just that if you could unilaterally decide you'd pick no.
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How does cantripmancer know the role name, role title, and role mechanics of the las plagas spreader?
Because...*sob, sob*...I'M Saddler...that's me I'm talking about...
Or, you know, I could have guessed at the most obvious Cult Leader concept given the flavor of the game.
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Kpaca's been an anti-town neutral in roughly 46% of his games on MTGS.
I say shaft it to the gambler's fallacy, we're going to the H to the O to the S to the P to the I T A L we're going to the HOSPITAL.
So you're saying there's roughly a 50-50 chance that kpaca's anti-town neutral and you still want to follow him?
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Also cantripmancer I was being facetious with what you are calling me using flavor to push a plan. I dont pay any attention to flavor.
Sorry. You didn't use your facetious voice.
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And I'm counting you as a soft yes for the sleepover since you said you won't throw up major arguments, just that if you could unilaterally decide you'd pick no.
New goal: To still be listed as in Seppel's PAGE 96 REVIEW.
Shark needs to come back and explain why he killed RVS.
I'm getting overreaction quickly covered by false indignation from SS.
I'm getting bloodthirsty vampire from Wheat, unless he's new. But he's modding games, so he's not new, is he?
Hey, Wheat, you're not new, are you?
EWP: Saddler is the evil cult leader in ResEvil 4. He controls Las Plagas, a genetically engineered plague similar to (or an offshoot of?) the Umbrella Corp's zombie-making gook. (Ok, when I said I didn't know any more about Las Plagas, I meant "in-game".)
@kpaca: I knew I was inviting an early vig, especially in a larger game, but I'd rather take the early vig shot and the late-game win with town than keep quiet and lose the game because I get investigated the night before LYLO.
SF's question is dubious, but given the apparent complex nature of this game, I'm not willing to assess it as immediately scummy. The first thought that came to my mind was 'obvious SK is obvious', but I think that more time is necessary to assess this.
Silver's reaction to SF's poll is awful, but WG's subsequent opportunistic voting of SS is even worse. I think that WG's vote has a much more malicious intent than Silver's response to SF. I'm happy with my vote where it is.
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EWP: Saddler is the evil cult leader in ResEvil 4. He controls Las Plagas, a genetically engineered plague similar to (or an offshoot of?) the Umbrella Corp's zombie-making gook. (Ok, when I said I didn't know any more about Las Plagas, I meant "in-game".)
@kpaca: I knew I was inviting an early vig, especially in a larger game, but I'd rather take the early vig shot and the late-game win with town than keep quiet and lose the game because I get investigated the night before LYLO.
I don't even know what to say to all of this, but someone just offering themself up to be Vigged 100(ish) posts into Day 1 makes me fairly suspicious. I approve of CM being Vigged. Hopefully letting him get to N1 isn't a poor decision(I feel like it might be).
I don't even know what to say to all of this, but someone just offering themself up to be Vigged 100(ish) posts into Day 1 makes me fairly suspicious. I approve of CM being Vigged. Hopefully letting him get to N1 isn't a poor decision(I feel like it might be).
Oh, don't get me wrong. I don't want to be vigged. This sounds like an awesome game, and I'd like to play to the end. But I've never been miller before, and everything I've read says that your best choice when miller is to claim early, then play your town'dest. And that you shouldn't be surprised to catch a vig bullet.
SF's question is dubious, but given the apparent complex nature of this game, I'm not willing to assess it as immediately scummy. The first thought that came to my mind was 'obvious SK is obvious', but I think that more time is necessary to assess this.
Silver's reaction to SF's poll is awful, but WG's subsequent opportunistic voting of SS is even worse. I think that WG's vote has a much more malicious intent than Silver's response to SF. I'm happy with my vote where it is.
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EWP: Saddler is the evil cult leader in ResEvil 4. He controls Las Plagas, a genetically engineered plague similar to (or an offshoot of?) the Umbrella Corp's zombie-making gook. (Ok, when I said I didn't know any more about Las Plagas, I meant "in-game".)
@kpaca: I knew I was inviting an early vig, especially in a larger game, but I'd rather take the early vig shot and the late-game win with town than keep quiet and lose the game because I get investigated the night before LYLO.
I don't even know what to say to all of this, but someone just offering themself up to be Vigged 100(ish) posts into Day 1 makes me fairly suspicious. I approve of CM being Vigged. Hopefully letting him get to N1 isn't a poor decision(I feel like it might be).
Hospital plan opinion?
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I fully support someone shooting cantripmancer with a vig shot.
Give me a minute.
I kinda share WG's opinion that it's lame we could be either A) walking into [MODGAMING] or B) just making most of the setup design irrelevant, but I agree that we should try and throw those variables out for the sake of scumhunting+behavioral analysis, considering the sheer number of analysts we have at our disposal.
Sweet. I am not surprised RVS ended that quickly, but probably wanted a few more direct answers before it exploded.
To answer the broad questions on the poll: I wanted to generate reactions and see in general players mindset/approach to the game. Myself, I am highly curious on the mechanics on the game, so I expected several responses like Megg. I also expected to see players like Seppel and kpaca who attack the poll. I did expect a SS reaction, but more to come on him.
I certainly would like to know what Shark was thinking when he asked it, because he had to know this was going to escalate into immediate votes.
I am surprised you don't see any plausible purpose to my question, given your experience level. +scum passiveness/attempting to remain hardcore neutral.
I really don't give two ****s where anyone goes. I can't be infected anyway. If you want to go to the hospital, go to the hospital. I just feel bad for Iso, that's all.
+++Town. Note most of his posts before this were absolutely terrible and I thought he was scum. But he townslipped hard here.
Bandwagoning w/ Seppel sounds like a good strategy this game.
Unvote, Vote: SharkFinnigan
My intuition is screaming that Shark is scum from this post, and my intuition has yet to be wrong on him.
Plus kpaca and Seppel are absolutely right about his second post.
We've been in 2 games together. 1 you were scum so you obv knew I was town. The other was Deitriptychos, where you replaced in as Iso already had me on the ropes. So I don't think intuition had much play thus far in our games. So yes, your intuition has yet to be wrong, but you might want to adjust it this game to keep your streak alive.
Well, considering the terminology used and the way the post was phrased, I immediately translate that post to "I have control of the t-virus, and I'm looking to infect people. Who wants to volunteer?" I have reasons to suspect a role like that exists. Given the theme of the game as being survival-horror, would you expect such an individual to be town-aligned?
From my limited knowledge, I have to say I don't know how other than walking into an infected region that anyone can become infected.
@kpaca: I'm going to explore. I am not ready to settle down. I'm just not that type of man.
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@Wheat: But your intuition is automatically correct after 2 posts? IIRC, I made another post in Atagan just like the first one where basically I made a vote to end RVS and then the overreaction began. So this isn't new for me.
But to this point, my town/scum game are fairly different, so you are right there.
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@Wheat: But your intuition is automatically correct after 2 posts? IIRC, I made another post in Atagan just like the first one where basically I made a vote to end RVS and then the overreaction began. So this isn't new for me.
But to this point, my town/scum game are fairly different, so you are right there.
I am completely okay with this.
Sure. I have no complaints. Just because I don't understand how it matters doesn't mean I'm opposed to it. I've tried telling you this three or four times now.
You are extrapolating way too much about other players' roles.
I don't think such a role exists, but unless there's reason to believe the virus kills rather than provides bonus abilities, it could be town-aligned, sure.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
It's a large assumption until you know what my role does. Again, from where I'm sitting, I find it easily both conceivable and believable.
I don't believe you at all.
Unvote, Vote: SilverSihhe
You're gonna spill that claim.
Oh ok cool, my b.
Agreed with Seppel on the logic train.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
Hahaha i missed this while I was in exile. Oh how I missed it.
I checked but couldn't find anything. What about Court Mafia?
A mere detour. Depending on his claim I may go right back to Shark.
Player: The Naval Officer
Allegiance: Crown
You know more crude songs than any other member of the Royal Court.
Hah - it's not true that the Navy is all about rum, sodomy and the lash
though. It's also about boats ! Great big boats with lots and lots of
cannons on them. Truth be told, you'd much rather be out sailing than
hanging around at the Royal Court. On the other hand, this business
with the traitors sounds pretty serious. After all, there's been a lot
of trouble with pirates of late and you really hate pirates.
Traitors are probably just pirates without their parrots.
Special Powers:
- One night only during the game you may fire the cannons of the Royal Navy of Azureia at a location. If you do so then everyone in that location is killed and these kills may not be prevented.
- Each night your crew can use their telescopes to keep an eye on people in the Docks. Sadly they can't tell people apart from their silhouettes, but what they can tell you is how many Traitors were amongst the group.
GM Notes: None.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
Or he could just go to Spencer Mansion and...become...infected...
Are you...pushing flavor as a reason to follow you?
Flavorgaming most likely = bad.
I can't, in good conscience, just follow you on this. Two reasons:
1. If you're town, I believe that you believe this is the best thing to do. But in this game, that little two letter word--IF--is pretty big. What's to say you--or someone else, even--aren't (for instance) Saddler, Cult Leader, and have the ability to Las Plagas everyone who's in the same location as you?
2. I don't feel that the complexity reduction offered by your plan (which is the only immediate positive I can see from my point of view) outweighs the potential for abilities gained while infected.
However, if you can convince a majority to join you tonight, I will do so as well, but I'm certainly not committing to a lock-in.
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In other news, everyone please put the top card of your library into your graveyard. I'm a miller.
I missed that one.
WELL IT'S A TOWN ROLE SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO WORRY ABOUT, RIGHT?
right?
A vote just to see a claim :isthatso:?
Kpaca's been an anti-town neutral in roughly 46% of his games on MTGS.
I say shaft it to the gambler's fallacy, we're going to the H to the O to the S to the P to the I T A L we're going to the HOSPITAL.
It sounds to me like he's claiming something in addition to infection-proof. I'm mistrustful of it.
What is Las Plagas?
I believe Nom_Anor was the Naval Officer and tried to use it N1 but was roleblocked. Would've killed like seven people, IIRC.
*meep*
That's basically what he's saying, but given that SS's first line of defense was to hint at T-virus immunity, then point it out again, and then to extrapolate a case based on it - I can't disagree with the sentiment. Call his bluff, as it were.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
And I'm counting you as a soft yes for the sleepover since you said you won't throw up major arguments, just that if you could unilaterally decide you'd pick no.
Scummy.
Somehow more scummy than the previous post.
Vote Wheat Grinder
* Shark's poll post?
* SilverSihhe in general?
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
I don't know it was in the sample role pm though.
I think it was like the disease in Re4 or something.
And also lets have a sleepover.
@Cyan: First Silver, then Wheat.
1. Megiddo
2. ganderin_dan
3. AlphaInsidious
4. Maokun
5. Cyan
6. KittyCupCake
7. Seppel
8. Magenta
9. Archmage Eternal
10. Wheat_Grinder
11. Cantripmancer
12. AsianInvasion
13. Prophylaxis
14. SharkFinnigan
15. DYH
16. SilverSihhe
17. kpaca
18. desCoures
Because...*sob, sob*...I'M Saddler...that's me I'm talking about...
Or, you know, I could have guessed at the most obvious Cult Leader concept given the flavor of the game.
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So you're saying there's roughly a 50-50 chance that kpaca's anti-town neutral and you still want to follow him?
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That's all I know, and I know no more.
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Sorry. You didn't use your facetious voice.
*shrug* Ok?
THE ODDS ARE IN OUR FAVOR MAN
Also who is Saddler?
New goal: To still be listed as in Seppel's PAGE 96 REVIEW.
Shark needs to come back and explain why he killed RVS.
I'm getting overreaction quickly covered by false indignation from SS.
I'm getting bloodthirsty vampire from Wheat, unless he's new. But he's modding games, so he's not new, is he?
Hey, Wheat, you're not new, are you?
EWP: Saddler is the evil cult leader in ResEvil 4. He controls Las Plagas, a genetically engineered plague similar to (or an offshoot of?) the Umbrella Corp's zombie-making gook. (Ok, when I said I didn't know any more about Las Plagas, I meant "in-game".)
@kpaca: I knew I was inviting an early vig, especially in a larger game, but I'd rather take the early vig shot and the late-game win with town than keep quiet and lose the game because I get investigated the night before LYLO.
Why?
SF's question is dubious, but given the apparent complex nature of this game, I'm not willing to assess it as immediately scummy. The first thought that came to my mind was 'obvious SK is obvious', but I think that more time is necessary to assess this.
Silver's reaction to SF's poll is awful, but WG's subsequent opportunistic voting of SS is even worse. I think that WG's vote has a much more malicious intent than Silver's response to SF. I'm happy with my vote where it is.
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I don't even know what to say to all of this, but someone just offering themself up to be Vigged 100(ish) posts into Day 1 makes me fairly suspicious. I approve of CM being Vigged. Hopefully letting him get to N1 isn't a poor decision(I feel like it might be).
Because you're to me in virtually every game I've played or read with you in it.
Did he change screennames? I don't remember the name from before my hiatus.
Oh, don't get me wrong. I don't want to be vigged. This sounds like an awesome game, and I'd like to play to the end. But I've never been miller before, and everything I've read says that your best choice when miller is to claim early, then play your town'dest. And that you shouldn't be surprised to catch a vig bullet.
Hospital plan opinion?
Bad mindset.
Inconsistent, worse mindset.
It's like the scum are throwing themselves at us!
Give me a minute.
I kinda share WG's opinion that it's lame we could be either A) walking into [MODGAMING] or B) just making most of the setup design irrelevant, but I agree that we should try and throw those variables out for the sake of scumhunting+behavioral analysis, considering the sheer number of analysts we have at our disposal.
So chalk me down as a yes for the hospital plan.
To answer the broad questions on the poll: I wanted to generate reactions and see in general players mindset/approach to the game. Myself, I am highly curious on the mechanics on the game, so I expected several responses like Megg. I also expected to see players like Seppel and kpaca who attack the poll. I did expect a SS reaction, but more to come on him.
I am surprised you don't see any plausible purpose to my question, given your experience level. +scum passiveness/attempting to remain hardcore neutral.
+++Town. Note most of his posts before this were absolutely terrible and I thought he was scum. But he townslipped hard here.
We've been in 2 games together. 1 you were scum so you obv knew I was town. The other was Deitriptychos, where you replaced in as Iso already had me on the ropes. So I don't think intuition had much play thus far in our games. So yes, your intuition has yet to be wrong, but you might want to adjust it this game to keep your streak alive.
From my limited knowledge, I have to say I don't know how other than walking into an infected region that anyone can become infected.
@kpaca: I'm going to explore. I am not ready to settle down. I'm just not that type of man.
—Lazav
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Total Win %: 40%
Total Scum Win %: 60%
Total Town Win %: 20%
Total Neutral Win %: 0%
Unvote, Vote DYH
—Lazav
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Total Win %: 40%
Total Scum Win %: 60%
Total Town Win %: 20%
Total Neutral Win %: 0%
I laughed.
Two dozen games on this site, last time I counted.
I gotta ask, what do you mean by available?
@Shark: True, but you read completely differently as town and scum so it still counts.
IIRC, I thought the plan was for a yes for the person saying yes to go into the hospital, not a yes that everyone has to be in the hospital.
Aww, your sweet. I am actually town, but feel free to check Gotham Underground for meta-argument to support your case.
—Lazav
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Mafia Stats
Summary:
Total Win %: 40%
Total Scum Win %: 60%
Total Town Win %: 20%
Total Neutral Win %: 0%
But to this point, my town/scum game are fairly different, so you are right there.
—Lazav
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Summary:
Total Win %: 40%
Total Scum Win %: 60%
Total Town Win %: 20%
Total Neutral Win %: 0%
You definitely don't say that as town.
Yeah dude that's why it's intuition.
You definitely don't say that if I was trying to act town.
—Lazav
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Mafia Stats
Summary:
Total Win %: 40%
Total Scum Win %: 60%
Total Town Win %: 20%
Total Neutral Win %: 0%