First and foremost, it's both blatantly hypocritical and overwhelmingly condescending to write, I have never talked down to a woman in my entire life after Azrael was absolutely behaving in a condescending manner, both to the individual he is addressing and to others, and said individual was correct in calling him out on it. This is textbook gaslighting, and would be offensive enough were this the full extent of Azrael's misconduct.
But Azrael does not stop there.
Azrael goes further to accuse the person of being a victim of abuse, and that the reason she interprets his behavior as condescending and belittling was not because he was behaving in a condescending and belittling way (he very definitely was), but because she was not thinking clearly due to past trauma.
Let me repeat that for emphasis. Azrael openly behaved in a rude and condescending manner, but whne he was called out on it, proceeded to say, I've never talked down to a woman in my life, you only think I am because you're incapable of being rational due to having way too much emotion because you were probably a victim of abuse.
This is appalling.
I want to point out at this time that discussion of domestic abuse and whether or not a person is having a PTSD trigger is - in addition to being totally inappropriate to mafia - can, in and of being discussed, cause people to become triggered. Moreover, to accuse someone of disagreeing with you due to the fact that the person has PTSD, and therefore is incapable of thinking illogically, is disgusting. It's not just unsportsmanlike, it's not just totally inappropriate to a forum based around a children's game, it's outright abhorrent.
For Azrael to create a discussion about abuse and trauma and speculating about whether or not a fellow player may or may not have had a history of it was unnecessary, uncalled for, and has absolutely no place in a mafia game. His attempting to say, I'm not talking down to people, you only think that because of your history of abuse, let me make a prolonged post about that, is totally out of line.
We've had toxic, abusive behavior on the site. But this extends beyond just someone getting irate at losing. One should not have to use labels like "sexist" and "ableist" to describe what is wrong with a person's conduct in a children's game. One should not have to worry about a content warning with regards to a post in a forum based on a children's game. This isn't just wrong, it's outright disgraceful.
I reported this post back in January when it was first made. No moderator action was made towards Azrael, nor has Azrael ever made any statement of apology for his behavior. By this silence, I believe we are to assume that this type of conduct is one that is condoned.
We must have standards of behavior on this site. For standards of behavior to exist, those who behave wrongly must be held accountable in some form. Some demonstration must needs be made to indicate that such behavior is wrong and will not be tolerated, for to do otherwise would be tolerating such behavior.
The fact that the person committing the wrongful action is a person of standing in the community does not diminish the necessity for wrongdoing to be reprimanded, but instead increases it. For a person to have a high position in a community means his actions openly reflect upon the community all the moreso. For that person to behave in a wrongful fashion is all the more a black mark on the community, and all the more undermines the legitimacy of the rules of the community, which are meant to apply to everyone. We should tolerate open contempt of rules and decency all the less when displayed by a member in a significant position on our forum, not give way to leniency.
Therefore, would like to petition Azrael be reprimanded, and for him to make a post of apology for the inappropriateness of his post. As long as this behavior never happens again, I don't think it necessary to go beyond that, but this can't happen again, and this level of inappropriate behavior demands not merely an apology, but also some sort of message needs to be made that this sort of post is unacceptable on this forum, or in decent forums in general. Especially coming from a member of the very governing council on this board.
Moreover, I petition that a member of the staff make a public statemen clarifying that no such conduct be tolerated on this forum, and affirm the staff's commitment towards keeping such misconduct out of future games.
If Azrael refuses to come forward demonstrating any contrition for his misconduct, I would like to formally petition he be removed from his position on the Mafia Council on the grounds of offensive and hostile behavior and contributing to a toxic play environment.
Such measures will promote a safe and wholesome play environment and clarify the mafia forum's commitment to a fun, non-toxic environment based upon the rules of the site and the demands of basic decency.
I am here to beseech help in finding Iso as I have a message for him. If anyone knows where he is, and they are capable of pointing me in his direction, then I would be appreciative of the effort you will have made on my behalf.
If not, well, I'm sure I'll find someone eventually.
Thanks in advance.
Sincerely,
me, KingofDominaria (whoever the imposter is I swear)
I am here to beseech help in finding Iso as I have a message for him. If anyone knows where he is, and they are capable of pointing me in his direction, then I would be appreciative of the effort you will have made on my behalf.
If not, well, I'm sure I'll find someone eventually.
Thanks in advance.
Sincerely,
me, KingofDominaria (whoever the imposter is I swear)
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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This post is disgusting and beyond inappropriate.
First and foremost, it's both blatantly hypocritical and overwhelmingly condescending to write, I have never talked down to a woman in my entire life after Azrael was absolutely behaving in a condescending manner, both to the individual he is addressing and to others, and said individual was correct in calling him out on it. This is textbook gaslighting, and would be offensive enough were this the full extent of Azrael's misconduct.
But Azrael does not stop there.
Azrael goes further to accuse the person of being a victim of abuse, and that the reason she interprets his behavior as condescending and belittling was not because he was behaving in a condescending and belittling way (he very definitely was), but because she was not thinking clearly due to past trauma.
Let me repeat that for emphasis. Azrael openly behaved in a rude and condescending manner, but whne he was called out on it, proceeded to say, I've never talked down to a woman in my life, you only think I am because you're incapable of being rational due to having way too much emotion because you were probably a victim of abuse.
This is appalling.
I want to point out at this time that discussion of domestic abuse and whether or not a person is having a PTSD trigger is - in addition to being totally inappropriate to mafia - can, in and of being discussed, cause people to become triggered. Moreover, to accuse someone of disagreeing with you due to the fact that the person has PTSD, and therefore is incapable of thinking illogically, is disgusting. It's not just unsportsmanlike, it's not just totally inappropriate to a forum based around a children's game, it's outright abhorrent.
For Azrael to create a discussion about abuse and trauma and speculating about whether or not a fellow player may or may not have had a history of it was unnecessary, uncalled for, and has absolutely no place in a mafia game. His attempting to say, I'm not talking down to people, you only think that because of your history of abuse, let me make a prolonged post about that, is totally out of line.
We've had toxic, abusive behavior on the site. But this extends beyond just someone getting irate at losing. One should not have to use labels like "sexist" and "ableist" to describe what is wrong with a person's conduct in a children's game. One should not have to worry about a content warning with regards to a post in a forum based on a children's game. This isn't just wrong, it's outright disgraceful.
I reported this post back in January when it was first made. No moderator action was made towards Azrael, nor has Azrael ever made any statement of apology for his behavior. By this silence, I believe we are to assume that this type of conduct is one that is condoned.
We must have standards of behavior on this site. For standards of behavior to exist, those who behave wrongly must be held accountable in some form. Some demonstration must needs be made to indicate that such behavior is wrong and will not be tolerated, for to do otherwise would be tolerating such behavior.
The fact that the person committing the wrongful action is a person of standing in the community does not diminish the necessity for wrongdoing to be reprimanded, but instead increases it. For a person to have a high position in a community means his actions openly reflect upon the community all the moreso. For that person to behave in a wrongful fashion is all the more a black mark on the community, and all the more undermines the legitimacy of the rules of the community, which are meant to apply to everyone. We should tolerate open contempt of rules and decency all the less when displayed by a member in a significant position on our forum, not give way to leniency.
Therefore, would like to petition Azrael be reprimanded, and for him to make a post of apology for the inappropriateness of his post. As long as this behavior never happens again, I don't think it necessary to go beyond that, but this can't happen again, and this level of inappropriate behavior demands not merely an apology, but also some sort of message needs to be made that this sort of post is unacceptable on this forum, or in decent forums in general. Especially coming from a member of the very governing council on this board.
Moreover, I petition that a member of the staff make a public statemen clarifying that no such conduct be tolerated on this forum, and affirm the staff's commitment towards keeping such misconduct out of future games.
If Azrael refuses to come forward demonstrating any contrition for his misconduct, I would like to formally petition he be removed from his position on the Mafia Council on the grounds of offensive and hostile behavior and contributing to a toxic play environment.
Such measures will promote a safe and wholesome play environment and clarify the mafia forum's commitment to a fun, non-toxic environment based upon the rules of the site and the demands of basic decency.
I am here to beseech help in finding Iso as I have a message for him. If anyone knows where he is, and they are capable of pointing me in his direction, then I would be appreciative of the effort you will have made on my behalf.
If not, well, I'm sure I'll find someone eventually.
Thanks in advance.
Sincerely,
me, KingofDominaria (whoever the imposter is I swear)
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player