If you think kpaca is scum for opportunistically voting a claimed miller then you must think Cyan is town for being opportunistically voted. But the idea behind safety vigging/lynching a claimed miller is that there's a chance he's not town. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Just looked. It's not the same. Kpaca didn't come in voting Guardman there. His first vote after Guardman claims that is basically a
Then the second post he asks about claiming vanilla.
Then again asks about the claim.
Then again.
Then the vote on Guardman.
Then hey look, next post after that threatens Hawk with a vig shot.
Then follows it up with a vote on Hawk.
In both cases he was one of several players to vote a claimed miller at the beginning of the game. But if you want to scrutinize it, then note that Cyan said all that he was going to say in his first post while Guardman trickled details over several posts.
Your insistence that kpaca's vote was anything other than null is absurd.
So, Condoms/Cyan as bussing scumbuddies? The degree of hostility going on here seems a bit over the top for what's actually happened. Which is nothing.
I also think Iso is just blowing smoke (again) and it feels like he does something like this every game he ever plays. Which is a bit tiresome. The whole "fake-daykill" thing period is a bit tiresome. I wish people wouldn't do it anymore.
I'm so on board with this post.
So now they're bussing buddies? That's convenient. Explain why you thought kpaca's initial Cyan vote was opportunistic or tell me when you changed your mind.
@TMCT - your post #38 doesn't make any sense re:cyan as AI pointed out. What is your read on both cyan and AI right now? I don't see where you've said concretely. You just hint that you aren't buying Cyan's claim.
I think Cyan is more likely town than scum. Right now I'm thinking 1/3 Town Miller, 1/3 town but not miller (for reasons stated earlier), 1/3 scum. I haven't read the past games kpaca posted.
AI I have no idea on. The jump from Guardman to Iso to Guardman bothers me but in a way I'm unsure of with Guardman and Iso's alignments unknown. That may be telling later in the game.
Not yet, haven't read any of his posts. At this point, I am prepared to use my ability on Megiddo unilaterally. Megiddo, fullclaim, pronto.
What happened between #63 and #74?
On that topic I also want Iso's ability used as a second lynch. I'm ambivalent on when to use it since I only have one particularly strong scumread right now.
Zionite's #83 is terrible. "I don't care about the consequences of you vigging Meg, Iso, just do it. No, really. Waste your one-shot on Meg instead of on the claimed miller, that's certainly the bestest idea ever."
Cyan, Axelrod, and whoever else commented on it, how is Guardman's #18 scummy? It's a comment on the elephant in the room and scumhunting. I don't get the Guardman case.
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I just looked back between the aforementioned posts and it has also come to my attention that I disliked Megiddo's post between them, which I did not remember until now.
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I just looked back between the aforementioned posts and it has also come to my attention that I disliked Megiddo's post between them, which I did not remember until now.
Except it's not. So why are you trying to make it as such?
Because you are as usual, deciding that this game is all about Iso, and less about the town winning.
I don't like it.
Except not, because I'm trying to help the town win by offering to use my ability the way I determined was optimal. You are stifling all discussion on how to use my ability except by saying I should Vig Cyan who is a "maybe Miller". That is quite probably the worst way to use my ability short of killing myself at this point. I don't know the last time a Miller got Vigged on MTGS, despite "correct practice" being that it should happen. I would much rather kill someone who is behaviorally scum than someone who might return a scum result in an investigation due to ambiguous role wording.
I just looked back between the aforementioned posts and it has also come to my attention that I disliked Megiddo's post between them, which I did not remember until now.
#70? Why?
It's something that I said (something similar to) in a game Megiddo and I played in together. It turned out that the sentiment was wrong (at least in that case, because it was a result of an awful player), and the way the post is phrased is very uncharacteristic of standard Megiddo. He's been giving me weird vibes all game. I've played in almost every game Megiddo has played in (except FHF and RPP, possibly r_0's Basic, I believe) and I've gotten a good feel for how he plays. I also instantly picked up on scumMegiddo in MGM, so that's another thing telling me to trust my instincts on this. Once I do my League reviews from Chime today, I can go back and actually build a Megiddo case. I'll also look to see if I notice anything else worth pointing out, though as I stated earlier, I think I've got a pretty good grasp on the scumteam right now.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Because it was the natural succession of words that followed. It felt correct based on the context of the statement, given that kpaca had directly stated "the town" immediately prior. Why are you haranguing me for saying "the town" and not kpaca?
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Cyan, Axelrod, and whoever else commented on it, how is Guardman's #18 scummy? It's a comment on the elephant in the room and scumhunting. I don't get the Guardman case.
He's making too big a production of how he's deciding to believe Cyan's claim. He didn't say anything about it in his first 2 posts, and it reads like he suddenly realized that he had better express an opinion about it to avoid looking suspicious. The way he mentioned going to dinner and thinking about it over dinner felt artificial and forced. It's only 18 posts into the game. That's too much thinking for 18 posts.
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Except not, because I'm trying to help the town win by offering to use my ability the way I determined was optimal.
You're really not. All you're doing is waving a big (theoretical) gun around and threatening. What did you determine was optimal about that?
Have you ever seen anyone respond usefully to someone claiming day-vig and insta-demaning a claim, even putting aside the fact we're only barely started? Pretty sure I haven't.
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Once I do my League reviews from Chime today, I can go back and actually build a Megiddo case.
Maybe that should have come first?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Cyan, Axelrod, and whoever else commented on it, how is Guardman's #18 scummy? It's a comment on the elephant in the room and scumhunting. I don't get the Guardman case.
He's making too big a production of how he's deciding to believe Cyan's claim. He didn't say anything about it in his first 2 posts, and it reads like he suddenly realized that he had better express an opinion about it to avoid looking suspicious. The way he mentioned going to dinner and thinking about it over dinner felt artificial and forced. It's only 18 posts into the game. That's too much thinking for 18 posts.
I disagree. I've done similar things in the past. Guardman is scum for different reasons.
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Except not, because I'm trying to help the town win by offering to use my ability the way I determined was optimal.
You're really not. All you're doing is waving a big (theoretical) gun around and threatening. What did you determine was optimal about that?
Have you ever seen anyone respond usefully to someone claiming day-vig and insta-demaning a claim, even putting aside the fact we're only barely started? Pretty sure I haven't.
Most people don't usually flat-out claim to be a DayVig, either. So I don't see what your point is. As for "waving my gun knife around and threatening", I seem to recall nobody wanting to use my ability or everyone just presuming that I'm bluffing. So since maybe two people have expressed interest in using my ability as a second lynch and everyone else has been really hostile in response, I don't see why I should be playing nice.
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Once I do my League reviews from Chime today, I can go back and actually build a Megiddo case.
Maybe that should have come first?
The Megiddo case should have come before my League reviews or my case on Megiddo should have come before I waved my knife at him?
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It's a knife, eh? That means it's likely not a burnout, which means Iso's probably telling the truth (or a serial killer who's really putting himself in a rough position).
Amistarian Mafia I had a mafia member with an extra kill, but it was a burnout ability - and rightly so, because toughguys don't really need extra stuff to be good roles. Admittedly, this game could vary widely from previous games' design (in which mafia members usually got a regular ability and a burnout), but I doubt it.
I disagree. I've done similar things in the past. Guardman is scum for different reasons.
So I'm voting correctly but for the wrong reasons? Would you care to illuminate for me what the right reasons are? I don't think you've said.
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Most people don't usually flat-out claim to be a DayVig, either. So I don't see what your point is. As for "waving my gun knife around and threatening", I seem to recall nobody wanting to use my ability or everyone just presuming that I'm bluffing. So since maybe two people have expressed interest in using my ability as a second lynch and everyone else has been really hostile in response, I don't see why I should be playing nice.
We didn't get even like 5 posts (hyperbole) before you changed your claim from "we have a second lynch," to "I'm a day-vig going to shoot Megiddo if he doesn't claim immediately." You have earned all the disbelief you have gotten.
What do you even mean you don't see why you should be playing nice?
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Once I do my League reviews from Chime today, I can go back and actually build a Megiddo case.
Maybe that should have come first?
The Megiddo case should have come before my League reviews or my case on Megiddo should have come before I waved my knife at him?[/QUOTE]
Really?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
It's a knife, eh? That means it's likely not a burnout, which means Iso's probably telling the truth (or a serial killer who's really putting himself in a rough position).
I disagree. I've done similar things in the past. Guardman is scum for different reasons.
So I'm voting correctly but for the wrong reasons? Would you care to illuminate for me what the right reasons are? I don't think you've said.
Sure, once I can make the post I said I would make.
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Most people don't usually flat-out claim to be a DayVig, either. So I don't see what your point is. As for "waving my gun knife around and threatening", I seem to recall nobody wanting to use my ability or everyone just presuming that I'm bluffing. So since maybe two people have expressed interest in using my ability as a second lynch and everyone else has been really hostile in response, I don't see why I should be playing nice.
We didn't get even like 5 posts (hyperbole) before you changed your claim from "we have a second lynch," to "I'm a day-vig going to shoot Megiddo if he doesn't claim immediately." You have earned all the disbelief you have gotten.
Well, someone asked me, so I clarified.
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What do you even mean you don't see why you should be playing nice?
Are you joking? Look at all of the flak I've been getting for being open about my role.
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Once I do my League reviews from Chime today, I can go back and actually build a Megiddo case.
Maybe that should have come first?
The Megiddo case should have come before my League reviews or my case on Megiddo should have come before I waved my knife at him?
Really?[/QUOTE]
...yes? I stated somewhere that I've been V/LA for the past 9 days because my girlfriend was visiting from out of the country. What did you honestly expect from me during that time?
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Seppel is pretty clearly town here, Iso. It reflects poorly on you that you would even imply otherwise. And the tone of your arguments is starting to become really sketchy. Guardman is still a better lead than you, because you sound like a neutral, whereas he sounds like scum, but still.
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Maybe what I'm doing shouldn't be affecting whether or not people are playing the game.
This isn't very realistic. Of course your actions are going to impact everyone else.
We don't even know whether or not you're telling the truth about your daykill being 1-shot. For all we know, you might be a daykilling SK and you're just going to hide it from now until some point when your win is inevitable.
But if nothing else, at least this distraction is out of the way. I'm not really convinced that Megiddo was a great choice though. If you really were town, it seems to me that you'd have let the town decide how to use this.
So ultimately, all of your behavior feels completely like some kind of neutral.
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It's a knife, eh? That means it's likely not a burnout, which means Iso's probably telling the truth (or a serial killer who's really putting himself in a rough position).
I disagree. I've done similar things in the past. Guardman is scum for different reasons.
So I'm voting correctly but for the wrong reasons? Would you care to illuminate for me what the right reasons are? I don't think you've said.
Sure, once I can make the post I said I would make.
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Most people don't usually flat-out claim to be a DayVig, either. So I don't see what your point is. As for "waving my gun knife around and threatening", I seem to recall nobody wanting to use my ability or everyone just presuming that I'm bluffing. So since maybe two people have expressed interest in using my ability as a second lynch and everyone else has been really hostile in response, I don't see why I should be playing nice.
We didn't get even like 5 posts (hyperbole) before you changed your claim from "we have a second lynch," to "I'm a day-vig going to shoot Megiddo if he doesn't claim immediately." You have earned all the disbelief you have gotten.
Well, someone asked me, so I clarified.
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What do you even mean you don't see why you should be playing nice?
Are you joking? Look at all of the flak I've been getting for being open about my role.
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Once I do my League reviews from Chime today, I can go back and actually build a Megiddo case.
Maybe that should have come first?
The Megiddo case should have come before my League reviews or my case on Megiddo should have come before I waved my knife at him?
Really?
...yes? I stated somewhere that I've been V/LA for the past 9 days because my girlfriend was visiting from out of the country. What did you honestly expect from me during that time?
You misspelled "correct."
Plan on giving any content AE?
I'm having MGM flashbacks. The good kind.
Do you think Iso is a toughguy?
No, I didn't misspell correct. Way to be totes hilarious though. Harr harr harr snark.
By toughguy do you mean bulletproof, godfather, or something else?
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If you think kpaca is scum for opportunistically voting a claimed miller then you must think Cyan is town for being opportunistically voted. But the idea behind safety vigging/lynching a claimed miller is that there's a chance he's not town. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
In both cases he was one of several players to vote a claimed miller at the beginning of the game. But if you want to scrutinize it, then note that Cyan said all that he was going to say in his first post while Guardman trickled details over several posts.
Your insistence that kpaca's vote was anything other than null is absurd.
So now they're bussing buddies? That's convenient. Explain why you thought kpaca's initial Cyan vote was opportunistic or tell me when you changed your mind.
I think Cyan is more likely town than scum. Right now I'm thinking 1/3 Town Miller, 1/3 town but not miller (for reasons stated earlier), 1/3 scum. I haven't read the past games kpaca posted.
AI I have no idea on. The jump from Guardman to Iso to Guardman bothers me but in a way I'm unsure of with Guardman and Iso's alignments unknown. That may be telling later in the game.
What happened between #63 and #74?
On that topic I also want Iso's ability used as a second lynch. I'm ambivalent on when to use it since I only have one particularly strong scumread right now.
lol
How is Zionite scum from #83?
Megiddo, did you want to see Cyan's flavor when you posted this, or not?
I got bored/impatient with nothing happening.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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GREAT SINCE THIS GAME IS ALL ABOUT YOU!
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying here!
Except it's not. So why are you trying to make it as such?
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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Because you are as usual, deciding that this game is all about Iso, and less about the town winning.
I don't like it.
#70? Why?
Except not, because I'm trying to help the town win by offering to use my ability the way I determined was optimal. You are stifling all discussion on how to use my ability except by saying I should Vig Cyan who is a "maybe Miller". That is quite probably the worst way to use my ability short of killing myself at this point. I don't know the last time a Miller got Vigged on MTGS, despite "correct practice" being that it should happen. I would much rather kill someone who is behaviorally scum than someone who might return a scum result in an investigation due to ambiguous role wording.
It's something that I said (something similar to) in a game Megiddo and I played in together. It turned out that the sentiment was wrong (at least in that case, because it was a result of an awful player), and the way the post is phrased is very uncharacteristic of standard Megiddo. He's been giving me weird vibes all game. I've played in almost every game Megiddo has played in (except FHF and RPP, possibly r_0's Basic, I believe) and I've gotten a good feel for how he plays. I also instantly picked up on scumMegiddo in MGM, so that's another thing telling me to trust my instincts on this. Once I do my League reviews from Chime today, I can go back and actually build a Megiddo case. I'll also look to see if I notice anything else worth pointing out, though as I stated earlier, I think I've got a pretty good grasp on the scumteam right now.
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Iso confirmed to be third party.
Don't be dumb. kpaca said "the town", I bounced his phrasing back at him.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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The way you said it excluded you as part of the town.
He's making too big a production of how he's deciding to believe Cyan's claim. He didn't say anything about it in his first 2 posts, and it reads like he suddenly realized that he had better express an opinion about it to avoid looking suspicious. The way he mentioned going to dinner and thinking about it over dinner felt artificial and forced. It's only 18 posts into the game. That's too much thinking for 18 posts.
You're really not. All you're doing is waving a big (theoretical) gun around and threatening. What did you determine was optimal about that?
Have you ever seen anyone respond usefully to someone claiming day-vig and insta-demaning a claim, even putting aside the fact we're only barely started? Pretty sure I haven't.
Maybe that should have come first?
I don't see how. But you're scum, so thanks for trying to paint me as a Neutral, bro.
I disagree. I've done similar things in the past. Guardman is scum for different reasons.
Most people don't usually flat-out claim to be a DayVig, either. So I don't see what your point is. As for "waving my
gunknife around and threatening", I seem to recall nobody wanting to use my ability or everyone just presuming that I'm bluffing. So since maybe two people have expressed interest in using my ability as a second lynch and everyone else has been really hostile in response, I don't see why I should be playing nice.The Megiddo case should have come before my League reviews or my case on Megiddo should have come before I waved my knife at him?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Amistarian Mafia I had a mafia member with an extra kill, but it was a burnout ability - and rightly so, because toughguys don't really need extra stuff to be good roles. Admittedly, this game could vary widely from previous games' design (in which mafia members usually got a regular ability and a burnout), but I doubt it.
Experiments Series: #5 (Courtly Intrigue Mafia) | #4 (Drunken Tracker) | #3 (Big Red Button) - coming soon | #2 (Pope Mafia) | #1 (Iso's Inflammable Mafia)
Mini Games: MTGS Mafia Redux II (Invitational, Evil Mirror Universe) | Unreal City
Old Games (bad): The Greenwood Affair | Blood Moon Mafia
So dismissive.
You think I'm scum? Shoot me. I dare you.
Then when you don't, we can get back to lynching Guardman.
So I'm voting correctly but for the wrong reasons? Would you care to illuminate for me what the right reasons are? I don't think you've said.
We didn't get even like 5 posts (hyperbole) before you changed your claim from "we have a second lynch," to "I'm a day-vig going to shoot Megiddo if he doesn't claim immediately." You have earned all the disbelief you have gotten.
What do you even mean you don't see why you should be playing nice?
The Megiddo case should have come before my League reviews or my case on Megiddo should have come before I waved my knife at him?[/QUOTE]
Really?
Yep.
Iso should shoot cyan or himself.
I'm the cook. I already said this.
Sure, just post a rainbow-colored V/LA message.
I'd rather lynch you. ScumSeppel wagon analysis will be more fruitful than weakScumMegiddo wagon analysis.
Sure, once I can make the post I said I would make.
Well, someone asked me, so I clarified.
Are you joking? Look at all of the flak I've been getting for being open about my role.
Really?[/QUOTE]
...yes? I stated somewhere that I've been V/LA for the past 9 days because my girlfriend was visiting from out of the country. What did you honestly expect from me during that time?
So, I'm a Toughguy, lying town, and a Neutral. That's some Grade-A scumhunting you're doing right there.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Daykill Megiddo.
Now let's play Mafia.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
If it's fake, I'm not going to claim for no reason.
I believe there are outstanding questions for me (xyre asked me something). I'll get to that when I'm at a computer.
Vote Seppel
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
How do you know what the flip format is going to be?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
So you'd better hope it's not low reveal.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Anyway, I'm eagerly awaiting the results of this kill.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Maybe you should go on hiatus.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
This isn't very realistic. Of course your actions are going to impact everyone else.
We don't even know whether or not you're telling the truth about your daykill being 1-shot. For all we know, you might be a daykilling SK and you're just going to hide it from now until some point when your win is inevitable.
But if nothing else, at least this distraction is out of the way. I'm not really convinced that Megiddo was a great choice though. If you really were town, it seems to me that you'd have let the town decide how to use this.
So ultimately, all of your behavior feels completely like some kind of neutral.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
...yes? I stated somewhere that I've been V/LA for the past 9 days because my girlfriend was visiting from out of the country. What did you honestly expect from me during that time?
So, I'm a Toughguy, lying town, and a Neutral. That's some Grade-A scumhunting you're doing right there.[/QUOTE]
No. You're a tough guy, lying scum, or a neutral. No matter the outcome I want your corpse.
Quiet frankly, you're a loon if you feel this way.