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He was a bad guy last time. He probably hasn't changed his ways.
Also, I'm supposed to be on hiatus but I couldn't resist this game. I'm going to have fun with it and I might not be as hardcore as usual unless I find it fun at the time.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
@SirGrizz Analysis: I don't have a real strong read on him as of yet. I do get where people see the slight evasiveness and self awareness in his posts, but I don't think those signs are telling on their own. (This is mostly because of how I have had self awareness misused as a scum tell on myself. How effective it is as a tell is a player by player thing in my opinion and SirGrizz does not have an established play style that we know of.)
That said he was breadcrumbing the hell out of his character, who I'll avoid mentioning for now, and I do see a couple of flavor based roles he could be, also won't be mentioned. I want him to develop in game more before even thinking of getting him anywhere near claim range.
Don't flavorgame in this game. The OP pretty much literally says that scum have falseclaims.
Im looking at this logically, yes a new player would try to breadcrumb their false claim that hard. Now as this is against me all I can do is let things happen how they happen, I have nothing to hide. Feel free to ask questions and I will try to answer them to your satisfaction.
"I have disappointed and failed to live up to the standard I expected of myself." ~Eliot Spitzer~
I'm not using flavor to confirm him town or scum, but I do think flavor, fake or not, might hint at a player's role. I am basing this theory on what I have in my own role and seeing that there is at least a hint at character and PR flavor connection.
That said there is a chance that our roles won't make sense as both being town or he may have an obvtown role. Way too early to tell and I don't want to see any claiming of roles yet. I want to see how the rest of the players act when they get here before jumping to conclusions.
Im looking at this logically, yes a new player would try to breadcrumb their false claim that hard. Now as this is against me all I can do is let things happen how they happen, I have nothing to hide. Feel free to ask questions and I will try to answer them to your satisfaction.
"I have disappointed and failed to live up to the standard I expected of myself." ~Eliot Spitzer~
I'm not using flavor to confirm him town or scum, but I do think flavor, fake or not, might hint at a player's role. I am basing this theory on what I have in my own role and seeing that there is at least a hint at character and PR flavor connection.
That said there is a chance that our roles won't make sense as both being town or he may have an obvtown role. Way too early to tell and I don't want to see any claiming of roles yet. I want to see how the rest of the players act when they get here before jumping to conclusions.
My role is explained well in my flavor, but when I would look at my character and decide a role for it, I don't think I would choose that role.
With some imagination, most roles can be flavored to most characters. You should really step away from that line of thinking in this game.
That said most of the roles there had a flavor/power connection there as well. Even the Hulk! (I don't know why but the flavor of his role PM and ability trigger just gets me laughing!) And I think this game will have similar elements.
That said, I am being cautious not to clear on flavor, just speculate possible PR's that would fit the character.
SirGrizz feels genuine to me, and rather comfortable / relaxed. The places where he appears worried look like he is more worried about letting the town down than he is worried about himself getting lynched.
Vote Generic; he hasn't gave an opinion on any players yet, except that SirGrizz is possibly scum. Most of what he's been posting is just factual stuff or over-done RVS silly-ness, and asking OTHER people to give opinions or start providing their input.
That said most of the roles there had a flavor/power connection there as well. Even the Hulk! (I don't know why but the flavor of his role PM and ability trigger just gets me laughing!) And I think this game will have similar elements.
That said, I am being cautious not to clear on flavor, just speculate possible PR's that would fit the character.
I have an idea of what his character might be, but none of the obvious roles come to mind in terms of what would match up to it.
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Im looking at this logically, yes a new player would try to breadcrumb their false claim that hard. Now as this is against me all I can do is let things happen how they happen, I have nothing to hide. Feel free to ask questions and I will try to answer them to your satisfaction.
"I have disappointed and failed to live up to the standard I expected of myself." ~Eliot Spitzer~
Is this a scum claim or am I missing something?
what you might have missed was me stating that in my opinion a new person would over breadcrumb a false claim. Stating that I do not expect anyone to take my Flavor seriously, yet I will not stop it as It is alot of fun.
"Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities. Truth isn't." ~Mark Twain~
AE is second on my most scummy list. A massclaim now would get our attention off behavior and onto flavor. That's the opposite of beneficial, except maybe for the mafia.
AE is second on my most scummy list. A massclaim now would get our attention off behavior and onto flavor. That's the opposite of beneficial, except maybe for the mafia.
I would have to agree with this a mass claim like this would only cause people to question flavor, allowing mafia a even more of edge. I think the pictures should only be shared when a single person is forced to claim.
AE is second on my most scummy list. A massclaim now would get our attention off behavior and onto flavor. That's the opposite of beneficial, except maybe for the mafia.
Really? Your worried about distracting away from behavior? That's weak.
AE is second on my most scummy list. A massclaim now would get our attention off behavior and onto flavor. That's the opposite of beneficial, except maybe for the mafia.
Really? Your worried about distracting away from behavior? That's weak.
What would we gain, besides a distraction from what's actually important?
Do you have anything else to add about what has happened this game so far?
Why would anyone try and talk about flavor? Like I said, weak.
Right. So if everyone reveals their name, then we've given some information (powers seem to roughly correlate to names, at least based off of Marvel Madness 1) to the mafia, without helping the town in any appreciable way, since flavor-gaming won't reveal alignment.
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Iso tried a muffin massclaim Day 1 of Drury Lane and while it did give us some hints as to roles down the road and locked players into types of claims early, at the time it did distract from looking for scum tells.
Let's hold of at least for a Day, preferably at least two, before we flavor claim. I'd rather not hold cause something that would stop good content incoming cold, not that there is anything wrong with the cold.
Well to be honest I havent seen much of your opinions yet Generic which is why I asked, you just have been asking others, and when someone else has pointed this out I didnt see a response of any kind so I thought I would ask.
You say I am evasive of game input, what do you mean bye this?
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I'm indifferent to massclaims, they can go either way. It can potentially give mafia a better idea of who to target sure, but it can also benefit Town Dr., Watcher, etc. on who to target. We know everyone is a power role in this game, so mafia is going to hit a PR anyway, and guessing which is the most harmful to them based on flavor is pretty WIFOM. Right now Mafia is way ahead in the info game so it can level the playing field a bit, but that being said, it seems implied that scum have fake claims, so all it would really do is lock them into a specific claim early, which can be good.
Generic, I would think its obvious why I don't commit, am I certain of anything? Yes and that is I do not know who everyone is, so why would I commit fully. You seem pretty sure of yourself.
I'm indifferent to massclaims, they can go either way. It can potentially give mafia a better idea of who to target sure, but it can also benefit Town Dr., Watcher, etc. on who to target. We know everyone is a power role in this game, so mafia is going to hit a PR anyway, and guessing which is the most harmful to them based on flavor is pretty WIFOM. Right now Mafia is way ahead in the info game so it can level the playing field a bit, but that being said, it seems implied that scum have fake claims, so all it would really do is lock them into a specific claim early, which can be good.
One, you can't game flavor. Two, your flip flopping here. You start off saying it will level the playing field. Then add a BUT, implying a negative aspect, then say it could be good.
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I don't like how jumpy he is. Especially in #65 and a few posts after that. The choice of language in 65 feels like he's trying overly hard to be sincere. I appreciate Generic's application of pressure so far this game, makes me feel good about him.
Last time the flavor was strongly tied to abilities. I tried to push flavor claims because I didn't think it was, but I was proven wrong. However, the flavor is often twisted and not obvious. So a character you might guess would have one ability, would have a different one that still made sense. I think the flavor claim would make it hard for mafia to falseclaim their abilities later, but it might give away who our protective/investigative roles are in a broad sense. I would tentatively lean towards trying it, but I'm in no hurry.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
Last time the flavor was strongly tied to abilities. I tried to push flavor claims because I didn't think it was, but I was proven wrong. However, the flavor is often twisted and not obvious. So a character you might guess would have one ability, would have a different one that still made sense. I think the flavor claim would make it hard for mafia to falseclaim their abilities later, but it might give away who our protective/investigative roles are in a broad sense. I would tentatively lean towards trying it, but I'm in no hurry.
So you say:
1) flavor was tied to abilities last time (albeit not always 100% what you expect)
2) you're happy the flavor claim you tried to push last time didn't go through because of 1)
3) you're not opposed to a mass flavor claim now
I was trying to do it at the wrong times for the wrong reasons last game and I didn't believe roles were tied to abilities. This time we have more information about the real risks. I'm not pushing it, but I would support it if it came to a vote.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
I'm indifferent to massclaims, they can go either way. It can potentially give mafia a better idea of who to target sure, but it can also benefit Town Dr., Watcher, etc. on who to target. We know everyone is a power role in this game, so mafia is going to hit a PR anyway, and guessing which is the most harmful to them based on flavor is pretty WIFOM. Right now Mafia is way ahead in the info game so it can level the playing field a bit, but that being said, it seems implied that scum have fake claims, so all it would really do is lock them into a specific claim early, which can be good.
One, you can't game flavor. Two, your flip flopping here. You start off saying it will level the playing field. Then add a BUT, implying a negative aspect, then say it could be good.
Vote Hunger.
One, "flavor is pretty WIFOM." So yeah I am aware. My point in regards to giving mafia or a doc/watcher a better idea of who to target, was: say you are scum or town doc and one of the claimed roles is Professor X; seems like probably a higher profile target than say, someone like Gambit or Jubilee, but it's equal for both sides and therefore balances out and is essentially just WIFOM.
Two, I say I'm indifferent to massclaims because they can go either way. I then explain how they can go either way by stating the possible advantages and disadvantages. That was my entire point. I can't flip-flop on a stance of indifference. Read that first sentence you quoted again.
Three, assume you hadn't misrep'd me, you seem to be saying I am scummy for 1) implying you can flavor game 2) saying a mass claim is both good and bad. Explain how either of those are scummy. I don't believe you justified your vote with this post.
@SirGrizz, still waiting for a reason on that scum lean on me.
First of all, I have learned to properly use my multiquote function. My note taking will be replaced with this feature. If any of you remember by previous note taking method, I think this is a much needed improvement. For your sake and mine...
That being said, I'm disappointed in missing the RVS. It is now clearly over, and I never got to vote Tom because he's a niners fan.
But just to get it out of my system: Vote Tom
I'm so glad the Niners did not have a chance to join the greatest franchise in NFL history with a total of SIX super bowl wins. unvote Tom
Just kidding, buddy. You we all and miss you over in the Dimir thread. Stop by and say hi sometime.
And now that's done let's mve on to business...
Because **** is real.
I Princess Pumperneckel as a very cutesy-cuddly time nickname for my daughter. It likely stems from me teaching her how to speak, and pumpernickel is a fun and interesting word to say, but I don't truly remember. When I first read this exchange it made me think of when she was really little and learned what pumpernickel was and would shout at me, "I not a piece of bread!". It was very cute.
I spy someone avoiding placing a vote in RVS... Tut tut.
This right here. Avoiding an RVS isn't something I would normally pick up on until after a couple other things happened that got scratching my head about that character, then I would go back and notice. But this set off my alarm right away.
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No reason to be piling on the votes for Generic
Two votes at the time, right? Two votes is piling?
Misdirection, already? -1 point for the second eyebrow raising. This might be nothing. But I'm watching you:)
Do you have a posting restriction? And why do you not want to pile on votes?
Come on. Do you not see what he's doing? Someone really likes their character I'm thinking. And I don't think piling had happened, but piling is bad because it can get lethal quickly if the pile happens too rapidly. Mislynches are lame, especially ones made hastily.
Dhockwave has already been mentioned and joked about while I was sleeping! And I see rhsnd has been added to your phone! Also, your pumpernickel is safe from me. But your Stouts on the other hand...
Maybe it's the adolescence I spent hovering over comic books, but I'm fairly sure he's dropping hints to what his character is. Why though? That is what I'm questioning.
He answered one of your questions... coming on strong there. Too strong with that "how it works" stuff?? Grzz is the only player with a negative score at this point.
I don't know. I'm watching you too.
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You're both on my radar for not wanting to answer questions.
Especially SirGrizz. Hunger's reaction is understandable.
unvote, vote SirGrizz
While he failed to answer one question, he did answer the other originally asked. They both kind of look suspect at this point. Grzz for not answering both questions and Hunger for running at him so hard.
That would be closer, Not so much a restriction but no reason not to share the knowledge of the great literature geniuses. There is much we can learn from them.
Very well played as the character I think you are trying to represent. Why spill out something like that this early though?
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There was no real reason why I didnt want to pile up votes on one person other that I feel spreading votes would be alot more Chaotic.
There is a real reason for everything. You could have voted for anyone randomly at the time of your frst post. You didn't. And if there truly was no real reason, why even mention this?
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My Original Vote was RVS, if you guys refuse to accept that, it is your Qualms.
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Lol. Really? All I see here is "If you don't except this seemingly bsed response to why I didn't vote in RVS, then I'm it's on you".
Did anyone else read it like that?
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Unvote; Vote: SirGrizz - Self conscious about piling on votes, tried to deflect a simple question, actual answer was not very good, claims no restriction yet continues to post quotes.
I'll still answer your question though; 1. It's RVS, piling on is normal and it can get a reaction from the right people. Most people aren't going to hammer an RVS wagon and if they do, well you have a good place to look for scum. 2. It's not that I necessarily cared to pile on votes, but I found it suspicious that you were wary to do so. So I was asking why you did care to gauge a response.
My name doesn't look weird. The fact that you breadcrumbed your role flavor is weird. Is that even your actual role? Why make such an effort to let that out?
well considering this is my first time ever doing RVS as in the starwars game RVS was over wayyyy before due to Rhand and Generic getting into it, Maybe I took it wrong.
Or maybe you wanted to scoot by unnoticed, or try and make people a false security with, what I am believeing to be, bs flavor drops. I'm on to you, young man.
Well considering the posting has stopped, I feel it is partly my fault... Rhand would you say RVS is over?
Obviously RVS is over. It was never a thing for you so you say, you never voted in a silly RVS way until it had obviously been over. Something about being chaotic? It is less chaotic to make a silly vote after **** gets real?
@SirGrizz Analysis: I don't have a real strong read on him as of yet. I do get where people see the slight evasiveness and self awareness in his posts, but I don't think those signs are telling on their own. (This is mostly because of how I have had self awareness misused as a scum tell on myself. How effective it is as a tell is a player by player thing in my opinion and SirGrizz does not have an established play style that we know of.)
This makes sense, but I don't really know anyone's playstyle and view scooting through RVS without voting while still posting and certainly self awareness as scummy behavior.
That said he was breadcrumbing the hell out of his character, who I'll avoid mentioning for now, and I do see a couple of flavor based roles he could be, also won't be mentioned. I want him to develop in game more before even thinking of getting him anywhere near claim range.
This seems legit. But why do you think he's broadcasting his flavor on all frequencies like that?
Don't flavorgame in this game. The OP pretty much literally says that scum have falseclaims.
Flavor gaming can have usages sometime.
I can kind of see my character in my PW. IDK if that is the same for everyone. I'd be more inclined to answer and ask questions about flavor if I knew it was beneficial in some way. Otherwise, kind of a waste of time unless something like unwarranted flavor spillage leaks on the thread. Then I start wondering why it happened... at least, I am now.
Not all the time. But most of the time. IDK TK-421's style to confirm whether flavor gaming is a thing he uses.
Also missing a lot of people to have input.
Sorry about the lack of input so far.
Just a heads up, my exwife gets the kids two days everything two weeks. During those days, I would prefer to be doing something besides sitting in front of my computer while I don't have the responsibility of the kiddos. So I will likely not most much on Alternating Tuesdays and Wednesdays, with this week being kid-free.
Im looking at this logically, yes a new player would try to breadcrumb their false claim that hard. Now as this is against me all I can do is let things happen how they happen, I have nothing to hide. Feel free to ask questions and I will try to answer them to your satisfaction.
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It certainly is odd behavior, but this wasn't his only scum tell or anything. At least, IMO.
My role is explained well in my flavor, but when I would look at my character and decide a role for it, I don't think I would choose that role.
With some imagination, most roles can be flavored to most characters. You should really step away from that line of thinking in this game.
Maybe that's what I did with mine now that I read this. Even if I didn't just see a coincidental connection between my role and character, I still wouldn't go into any specifics at this time.
That said most of the roles there had a flavor/power connection there as well. Even the Hulk! (I don't know why but the flavor of his role PM and ability trigger just gets me laughing!) And I think this game will have similar elements.
That said, I am being cautious not to clear on flavor, just speculate possible PR's that would fit the character.
Even if that's the case, I'm also not clearing any of my flavor.
SirGrizz feels genuine to me, and rather comfortable / relaxed. The places where he appears worried look like he is more worried about letting the town down than he is worried about himself getting lynched.
What reasons do you have for seeing Grzz as comfortable or relaxed?
Hey again, btw:)
Just kidding about the niners thing... not really, lol.
I have an idea of what his character might be, but none of the obvious roles come to mind in terms of what would match up to it.
I can if I use my imagination. I still won't put any faith into flavor until after I've seen proof of this. The only way I'm seeing this happeneing if someone dies and their flavor-pr is revealed and it is obviously connected. Maybe even another. That would be me and two others with the same coincidence. Then maybe then I'll validate anything aside from Grizz being nervous about something.
what you might have missed was me stating that in my opinion a new person would over breadcrumb a false claim. Stating that I do not expect anyone to take my Flavor seriously, yet I will not stop it as It is alot of fun.
"Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities. Truth isn't." ~Mark Twain~
If your just doing that for fun, then I commend you. As it is, I think you're overbreadcrumbing for a yet clear reason, which is scummy... to me.
AE is second on my most scummy list. A massclaim now would get our attention off behavior and onto flavor. That's the opposite of beneficial, except maybe for the mafia.
I don't know how to respond to this. I don't think AE is being serious.
But it did lead to this...
I would have to agree with this a mass claim like this would only cause people to question flavor, allowing mafia a even more of edge. I think the pictures should only be shared when a single person is forced to claim.
Iso tried a muffin massclaim Day 1 of Drury Lane and while it did give us some hints as to roles down the road and locked players into types of claims early, at the time it did distract from looking for scum tells.
Let's hold of at least for a Day, preferably at least two, before we flavor claim. I'd rather not hold cause something that would stop good content incoming cold, not that there is anything wrong with the cold.
So far you have been evasive of game input which has you lean scum
Shockwave keeps probing at character and role discussion which has elevated him to my top scum suspect.
AE is baiting, I have zero issues with what he's doing and it reads town motivated at present given the reactions.
Tom is being either a hypocrite or selective in his focus and comments. Feels like there is an agenda. Lean scum. Do feel free to ask me about this Tom, although I'm sure you will notice how blatant your selectiveness has been.
Rhand has done what he appears to do most early day ones and that's end RVS suddenly and continue to pose questions. Town lean.
Pretty much everyone else has been a passenger.
Was shockwave really doing that, or just discussing how flavor can be relevant? I see the latter.
The more I read into Tom, the more I am seeing him as something of an oddball here. Maybe it's other people pointing out stuff, idk. AE seems legit and towny so far for me.
I am still unsure about everyone else, including yourself.
[QUOTE=Hunger;/comments/12950102]I'm indifferent to massclaims, they can go either way. It can potentially give mafia a better idea of who to target sure, but it can also benefit Town Dr., Watcher, etc. on who to target. We know everyone is a power role in this game, so mafia is going to hit a PR anyway, and guessing which is the most harmful to them based on flavor is pretty WIFOM. Right now Mafia is way ahead in the info game so it can level the playing field a bit, but that being said, it seems implied that scum have fake claims, so all it would really do is lock them into a specific claim early, which can be good.
@AE - Why do you want a massclaim?
-2, indifferent to a day one mass claim a minute outside RVS?
Generic, I would think its obvious why I don't commit, am I certain of anything? Yes and that is I do not know who everyone is, so why would I commit fully. You seem pretty sure of yourself.
Are you getting bad feels because people are commenting on your seemingly scummy behavior?
How do you feel about me?
I've played over. 60 games of mafia. If I'm not confident in me I may as well give up now.
And all you have done is build straw men again and try and deflect this back at me.
Shockwave, you got a reprieve without even needing to respond. Sirgrizz has shown himself opportunistic yet failed at the fundamental of actually having something to argue with.
One, you can't game flavor. Two, your flip flopping here. You start off saying it will level the playing field. Then add a BUT, implying a negative aspect, then say it could be good.
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I see the potential validity of a mass claim later in games.
But +1 for seeing the weirdness there.
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I don't like how jumpy he is. Especially in #65 and a few posts after that. The choice of language in 65 feels like he's trying overly hard to be sincere. I appreciate Generic's application of pressure so far this game, makes me feel good about him.
I don't know about jumpy. Nervous and being overly and way obviously too nonchalant is how I'm seeing it.
Last time the flavor was strongly tied to abilities. I tried to push flavor claims because I didn't think it was, but I was proven wrong. However, the flavor is often twisted and not obvious. So a character you might guess would have one ability, would have a different one that still made sense. I think the flavor claim would make it hard for mafia to falseclaim their abilities later, but it might give away who our protective/investigative roles are in a broad sense. I would tentatively lean towards trying it, but I'm in no hurry.
This seems a bit forced. And contradictory.
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So you say:
1) flavor was tied to abilities last time (albeit not always 100% what you expect)
2) you're happy the flavor claim you tried to push last time didn't go through because of 1)
3) you're not opposed to a mass flavor claim now
I'm not. That totally seemed totally forced and contradictory.
9ers lost cuz the refs. I really ought to vote you for messing up the dimir emoticon, though. How embarrassing. Are we sure we have the right Digi here?
Also Grizz came off as comfortable / relaxed because he was messing around and having fun under the pressure.
That post feels like Town Digi. I don't see any slants towards or against specific players and he shows reasonable logic towards multiple potential suspects.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
That post feels like Town Digi. I don't see any slants towards or against specific players and he shows reasonable logic towards multiple potential suspects.
I'm leaning that way myself, but I'm not entirely convinced. There's a LOT of text there to come to the conclusion that just /barns the most popular lynchee. There's a ton of posts that didn't need to be quoted there because his commentary on them adds nothing to his argument.
Then again, never having played with him before, I don't know his meta. Does he do this often?
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Basically /barn AE's comments about 95. Hunger danced around way too much and doesn't seem to be indifferent at all, despite claiming such. Again in 111 he claims to be indifferent, but his content reads to me as though he is pretty much in favor. I don't like his response to SirGrizz's scum read on him, which I'll comment on below.
Also, Asenion does damn near the same thing in 105.
So you pick up on AE for obvious comments yet shockwave slide on what looks to be role fishing for me.
Just because he occasionally declares he doesn't want claims doesn't stop him REPEATEDLY fishing with comments about roles fitting the character. And that in my book is the scummier action because he's trying to keep it under the radar.
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What about Shockwave's posts do you think is fishing? I agree with you that he's focusing a little too much on flavor and roles, but nothing catches my eye as trying to draw out information from other players and his post about the massclaim seems reasonable.
Yeh early massclaims are bad. I promised myself after Drury Lane never to support one again. It screwed us over.
/barn the **** out of this.
I've seen this type of thing done right before, but not as a massclaim (see: Seppel's call for a turtle softclaim in TMNT, which I was actually against at first)
I don't like the SirGrizz wagon at all, primarily because two of my scum reads are on it, but also because his play so far (minus the breadcrumbing) kinda reminds me of town!me early in WWE, which was my first game of Mafia. He's self-aware but not in what I perceive to a scummy way and he's unsure of his reads.
He hadn't mentioned me yet in the game and then calls a scum lean. If it were say Digi in the place of Hunger I would have had the exact same reaction. It looks like mudslinging without a reason, which I find scummy. He posted multiple times after and never gave a read either, which I find even more scummy.
When people make scum accusations with zero reasoning, do you usually just let it float by?
There's a LOT of text there to come to the conclusion that just /barns the most popular lynchee. There's a ton of posts that didn't need to be quoted there because his commentary on them adds nothing to his argument.
Then again, never having played with him before, I don't know his meta. Does he do this often?
/barn Wildfire here. Digi basically recapped the game state and restated others' opinions. Very little new content. I don't see anything scummy in his post, but it isn't a beacon of townliness for me at least.
He was a bad guy last time. He probably hasn't changed his ways.
Also, I'm supposed to be on hiatus but I couldn't resist this game. I'm going to have fun with it and I might not be as hardcore as usual unless I find it fun at the time.
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Don't flavorgame in this game. The OP pretty much literally says that scum have falseclaims.
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That said there is a chance that our roles won't make sense as both being town or he may have an obvtown role. Way too early to tell and I don't want to see any claiming of roles yet. I want to see how the rest of the players act when they get here before jumping to conclusions.
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Is this a scum claim or am I missing something?
My role is explained well in my flavor, but when I would look at my character and decide a role for it, I don't think I would choose that role.
With some imagination, most roles can be flavored to most characters. You should really step away from that line of thinking in this game.
I want us all to do this.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
D1 mass nameclaim?
That said most of the roles there had a flavor/power connection there as well. Even the Hulk! (I don't know why but the flavor of his role PM and ability trigger just gets me laughing!) And I think this game will have similar elements.
That said, I am being cautious not to clear on flavor, just speculate possible PR's that would fit the character.
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SirGrizz feels genuine to me, and rather comfortable / relaxed. The places where he appears worried look like he is more worried about letting the town down than he is worried about himself getting lynched.
Vote Generic; he hasn't gave an opinion on any players yet, except that SirGrizz is possibly scum. Most of what he's been posting is just factual stuff or over-done RVS silly-ness, and asking OTHER people to give opinions or start providing their input.
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I have an idea of what his character might be, but none of the obvious roles come to mind in terms of what would match up to it.
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what you might have missed was me stating that in my opinion a new person would over breadcrumb a false claim. Stating that I do not expect anyone to take my Flavor seriously, yet I will not stop it as It is alot of fun.
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They hate us cause they ain't us.
Tom's opening post feels just a little off to me... More gut than anything I can point out for sure.
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AE is second on my most scummy list. A massclaim now would get our attention off behavior and onto flavor. That's the opposite of beneficial, except maybe for the mafia.
I would have to agree with this a mass claim like this would only cause people to question flavor, allowing mafia a even more of edge. I think the pictures should only be shared when a single person is forced to claim.
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Really? Your worried about distracting away from behavior? That's weak.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Why would anyone try and talk about flavor? Like I said, weak.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
What would we gain, besides a distraction from what's actually important?
Do you have anything else to add about what has happened this game so far?
Right. So if everyone reveals their name, then we've given some information (powers seem to roughly correlate to names, at least based off of Marvel Madness 1) to the mafia, without helping the town in any appreciable way, since flavor-gaming won't reveal alignment.
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Iso tried a muffin massclaim Day 1 of Drury Lane and while it did give us some hints as to roles down the road and locked players into types of claims early, at the time it did distract from looking for scum tells.
Let's hold of at least for a Day, preferably at least two, before we flavor claim. I'd rather not hold cause something that would stop good content incoming cold, not that there is anything wrong with the cold.
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Anyhow, I am pretty sure AE is not seriously proposing this but is baiting for reactions.
I find Shock's intriguing: are you breadcrumbing your flavor in the same post where you say you don't want to claim it Shock?
You say I am evasive of game input, what do you mean bye this?
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@AE - Why do you want a massclaim?
Scum lean on Hunger aswell
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One, you can't game flavor. Two, your flip flopping here. You start off saying it will level the playing field. Then add a BUT, implying a negative aspect, then say it could be good.
Vote Hunger.
Show the opportunism.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
/barn AE
Unvote, vote Hunger
I just went back and read page one thoroughly. I'm happy with my vote.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Vote SirGrizz
I don't like how jumpy he is. Especially in #65 and a few posts after that. The choice of language in 65 feels like he's trying overly hard to be sincere. I appreciate Generic's application of pressure so far this game, makes me feel good about him.
Last time the flavor was strongly tied to abilities. I tried to push flavor claims because I didn't think it was, but I was proven wrong. However, the flavor is often twisted and not obvious. So a character you might guess would have one ability, would have a different one that still made sense. I think the flavor claim would make it hard for mafia to falseclaim their abilities later, but it might give away who our protective/investigative roles are in a broad sense. I would tentatively lean towards trying it, but I'm in no hurry.
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So you say:
1) flavor was tied to abilities last time (albeit not always 100% what you expect)
2) you're happy the flavor claim you tried to push last time didn't go through because of 1)
3) you're not opposed to a mass flavor claim now
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They hate us cause they ain't us.
Yeah, well, I don't like your face.
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Nope
Two, I say I'm indifferent to massclaims because they can go either way. I then explain how they can go either way by stating the possible advantages and disadvantages. That was my entire point. I can't flip-flop on a stance of indifference. Read that first sentence you quoted again.
Three, assume you hadn't misrep'd me, you seem to be saying I am scummy for 1) implying you can flavor game 2) saying a mass claim is both good and bad. Explain how either of those are scummy. I don't believe you justified your vote with this post.
@SirGrizz, still waiting for a reason on that scum lean on me.
Anyway, rather than boring stories of my heroics.
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Asenion (1) - Shockwave07
SirGrizz (3) - Hunger, Generic, Asenion
Generic (1) - SirGrizz
Hunger (3) - Archmage Eternal, Rhand, Tom
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First of all, I have learned to properly use my multiquote function. My note taking will be replaced with this feature. If any of you remember by previous note taking method, I think this is a much needed improvement. For your sake and mine...
That being said, I'm disappointed in missing the RVS. It is now clearly over, and I never got to vote Tom because he's a niners fan.
But just to get it out of my system:
Vote Tom
I'm so glad the Niners did not have a chance to join the greatest franchise in NFL history with a total of SIX super bowl wins.
unvote Tom
Just kidding, buddy. You we all and miss you over in the Dimir thread. Stop by and say hi sometime.
And now that's done let's mve on to business...
Because **** is real.
I Princess Pumperneckel as a very cutesy-cuddly time nickname for my daughter. It likely stems from me teaching her how to speak, and pumpernickel is a fun and interesting word to say, but I don't truly remember. When I first read this exchange it made me think of when she was really little and learned what pumpernickel was and would shout at me, "I not a piece of bread!". It was very cute.
Right from the get go I saw this as strange because...
This right here. Avoiding an RVS isn't something I would normally pick up on until after a couple other things happened that got scratching my head about that character, then I would go back and notice. But this set off my alarm right away.
Always be suspicious of men named Tom. Especially that one, it is rumored he has connections within a secret society.
for life.
Two votes at the time, right? Two votes is piling?
Misdirection, already? -1 point for the second eyebrow raising. This might be nothing. But I'm watching you:)
Come on. Do you not see what he's doing? Someone really likes their character I'm thinking. And I don't think piling had happened, but piling is bad because it can get lethal quickly if the pile happens too rapidly. Mislynches are lame, especially ones made hastily.
My ex wife was stout. You can have her.
Maybe it's the adolescence I spent hovering over comic books, but I'm fairly sure he's dropping hints to what his character is. Why though? That is what I'm questioning.
He answered one of your questions... coming on strong there. Too strong with that "how it works" stuff?? Grzz is the only player with a negative score at this point.
I don't know. I'm watching you too.
While he failed to answer one question, he did answer the other originally asked. They both kind of look suspect at this point. Grzz for not answering both questions and Hunger for running at him so hard.
Very well played as the character I think you are trying to represent. Why spill out something like that this early though?
Add leaking information, however useless or useful it may may be, without knowing a damn thing. That seems suspicious.
There is a real reason for everything. You could have voted for anyone randomly at the time of your frst post. You didn't. And if there truly was no real reason, why even mention this?
-1
Psh. Racist.
Typos have feelings too.
Lol. Really? All I see here is "If you don't except this seemingly bsed response to why I didn't vote in RVS, then I'm it's on you".
Did anyone else read it like that?
-3
As did I.
+1
My name doesn't look weird. The fact that you breadcrumbed your role flavor is weird. Is that even your actual role? Why make such an effort to let that out?
Or maybe you wanted to scoot by unnoticed, or try and make people a false security with, what I am believeing to be, bs flavor drops. I'm on to you, young man.
Yes. By your mistake.
Self Aware, -1
Obviously RVS is over. It was never a thing for you so you say, you never voted in a silly RVS way until it had obviously been over. Something about being chaotic? It is less chaotic to make a silly vote after **** gets real?
Even if that's the case, I'm also not clearing any of my flavor.
What reasons do you have for seeing Grzz as comfortable or relaxed?
Hey again, btw:)
Just kidding about the niners thing... not really, lol.
You feel like Rhand? What does this mean?
I can if I use my imagination. I still won't put any faith into flavor until after I've seen proof of this. The only way I'm seeing this happeneing if someone dies and their flavor-pr is revealed and it is obviously connected. Maybe even another. That would be me and two others with the same coincidence. Then maybe then I'll validate anything aside from Grizz being nervous about something.
If your just doing that for fun, then I commend you. As it is, I think you're overbreadcrumbing for a yet clear reason, which is scummy... to me.
The vote for generic seemed off to me too, but not that off for Tom. I can usually get accurate gut feelings him in games I've seen.
I don't know how to respond to this. I don't think AE is being serious.
But it did lead to this...
Polly want a cracker?
-2
I like what you're doing here, letting me gauge reactions like this. +1
When do we sail?
+1 for thinking the way I do.
Yea.
-1
Scurred?
Are you getting bad feels because people are commenting on your seemingly scummy behavior?
How do you feel about me?
I don't know about jumpy. Nervous and being overly and way obviously too nonchalant is how I'm seeing it.
This seems a bit forced. And contradictory.
-2
I'm not. That totally seemed totally forced and contradictory.
I'm not seeing it as jumpy either, but I do feel like Grizz is scum none the less.
My face feels like a lipton brisk commercial.
So in short, I'm going to go ahead and vote. Since the person with by far the most negative points is SirGrizz, he gets my vote....
Vote SirGrizz
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Also Grizz came off as comfortable / relaxed because he was messing around and having fun under the pressure.
Also I feel dumb for thinking AE was serious.
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I'm leaning that way myself, but I'm not entirely convinced. There's a LOT of text there to come to the conclusion that just /barns the most popular lynchee. There's a ton of posts that didn't need to be quoted there because his commentary on them adds nothing to his argument.
Then again, never having played with him before, I don't know his meta. Does he do this often?
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Basically /barn AE's comments about 95. Hunger danced around way too much and doesn't seem to be indifferent at all, despite claiming such. Again in 111 he claims to be indifferent, but his content reads to me as though he is pretty much in favor. I don't like his response to SirGrizz's scum read on him, which I'll comment on below.
Also, Asenion does damn near the same thing in 105.
What about Shockwave's posts do you think is fishing? I agree with you that he's focusing a little too much on flavor and roles, but nothing catches my eye as trying to draw out information from other players and his post about the massclaim seems reasonable.
/barn the **** out of this.
I've seen this type of thing done right before, but not as a massclaim (see: Seppel's call for a turtle softclaim in TMNT, which I was actually against at first)
This response really tempts me to switch my vote over to you.
The tone of that post reminded me of this post from Apocalypse, which first put me onto scum!Rodemy:
I thought he was serious, too.
I don't like the SirGrizz wagon at all, primarily because two of my scum reads are on it, but also because his play so far (minus the breadcrumbing) kinda reminds me of town!me early in WWE, which was my first game of Mafia. He's self-aware but not in what I perceive to a scummy way and he's unsure of his reads.
When people make scum accusations with zero reasoning, do you usually just let it float by?
/barn Wildfire here. Digi basically recapped the game state and restated others' opinions. Very little new content. I don't see anything scummy in his post, but it isn't a beacon of townliness for me at least.