No, I'm town reading Digi and I don't think many others are. Here's how I view Grizz:
60% chance he's scum. 40% chance he's mislead suicidal Town. He will continue to distract everyone and be the focus of the game as long as he's alive, so to progress we should lynch him.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
Ether way I am content with my lynch I gave my opinions and thoughts and would like once I get flipped town that people actually start looking at the things I saw.
Bandwagony? I agreed with one person so far IIRC, voted you for different reasons, and have a Town read that seems unpopular. Give me an example of where I bandwagoned.
AE, do you disagree with my logic that Grizz is scum, but I would lynch him either way now because I feel he is detrimental to the game and disrupting our further progress.
You jumped onboard when people were pressuring me
In the few posts you have made you /barn Digi followed by Wildfires Barn. Maybe it isnt Bandwagoning but you seem to be agreeing with people other than giving your own opinions.
I think other people have picked up on this and really no reason for me to press it any further
You did something scummy, not something townie: you posted the obvious without adding any analysis or reads or questions or anything that would help us find scum.
In retrospect, I can see where you are coming from on this. Part of the reason I posted to hold up on the lynch is that I was rather busy the past two IRL days and not able to back through the thread with a fine tooth comb looking for reads. I didn't want this Day to slip away from us before I had a chance to do that. Working on putting that together now, expect it in my next post.
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RHand: He comes out of the gate very aggressively. He's the first to break RVS. He seems very reactive (someone posts something and he immediately jumps on them) rather than proactive (looking back and finding a pattern of posts as scummy). When he's not directly responding to an action, his posts are pretty fluffy. Particularly sticking out to me is #103, where he barns AE after claiming he was about to do an analysis of his own. This seems to me like a great way to mask the lack of actual analysis.
Overall, his attitude seems pro-town, but some of his tactics have a scummy underpinning.
Shockwave: Literally everything he's posted has had to do with flavor and role gaming. He's only looked at SirGrizz (who was already a target by that time), and that's where pretty much the entirety of his attention has gone. There is some merit to role gaming (less so with flavor), but it seems a little one-track. Leaning Scum.
Generic: I'm getting a town read here. Feels a lot like day 1/day 3 Specific from the modfia, minus Proph's aggressive probing questions.
Digi: His walls of text make me think scummy, as he's posting a lot of volume without a lot of information. However, the worst offense of this was his first post, catching up on a lot of information, so I can probably let that slide considering his followup posts have been more to the point (if still a bit rambly and gratuitous). He's doing a fair amount of in-depth analysis in there, so I'm going to lean town on him.
AE: The opening call for a mass claim is offputting, and that pretty much makes up half of his posts. He votes Hunger for being unsure about the massclaim, and then posts that he "re-read" which makes him satisfied with his vote, with no explanation. He's fighting against the lynch of Grizz while also encouraging Grizz to blind-fire his vanillafier, which seems like it does not help town interests. Overall getting a scummy vibe here.
Asenion: At ten posts, he's got the least to analyze here. He's actually the first to suggest putting off the lynch (#180). The sum total of his analyses thus far is pretty small. He votes Grizz originally for being "jumpy", then supports his vote well after the fact by pointing to Grizz's "implosion" and suggests we lynch him to "progress the game" despite being pretty uncertain. I'd like to see more here; with what I've got I can't get a solid read one way or the other.
Hunger: He gets embroiled in the massclaim discussion but never picks a side on it. However, overall, he seems to be giving off a very town vibe. He doesn't seem to mind at all that he's the second-biggest target of votes thus far. He's asking some pretty decent questions of motives and getting some decent analysis done himself. I think the massclaim thing muddied his waters a little, but I think the scumminess of fence-sitting there is overblown. Town lean.
Tom: He starts out mad at AE for the massclaim suggestion, but immediately barns AE on the Hunger vote. He seems to think Grizz is town, yet he's pushing his lynch pretty hard, to the point of calling it "inevitable". However, this falls in line with day 3 Tom from the modfia more than day 1/2, so I'm leaning Town.
DKing: Even less to go on here than Asenion. However, his few posts are packed with good analysis, leaning town.
Storyteller: Only a single post, and it's a long /barn "lynch SirGrizz". Really can't get much of a read on that, but sparse posting might be a sign of scumminess if it continues.
And lastly, SirGrizz: I feel like he's been analyzed to death, there's not really anything I can say here without just barning someone else. The defeatist attitude/self-vote is pretty Wine. The turnaround in his attitude since then is interesting though. It could be seen like him trying to appear more town now that the pressure has abated some, or he could just actually be a new player that's better able to play as town without said pressure.
I still think his role is likely scum, and if he's going to shoot it tonight blind if we let him live, that's almost as dangerous.
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RHand: He comes out of the gate very aggressively. He's the first to break RVS. He seems very reactive (someone posts something and he immediately jumps on them) rather than proactive (looking back and finding a pattern of posts as scummy). When he's not directly responding to an action, his posts are pretty fluffy. Particularly sticking out to me is #103, where he barns AE after claiming he was about to do an analysis of his own. This seems to me like a great way to mask the lack of actual analysis.
Overall, his attitude seems pro-town, but some of his tactics have a scummy underpinning.
Shockwave: Literally everything he's posted has had to do with flavor and role gaming. He's only looked at SirGrizz (who was already a target by that time), and that's where pretty much the entirety of his attention has gone. There is some merit to role gaming (less so with flavor), but it seems a little one-track. Leaning Scum.
Generic: I'm getting a town read here. Feels a lot like day 1/day 3 Specific from the modfia, minus Proph's aggressive probing questions.
Digi: His walls of text make me think scummy, as he's posting a lot of volume without a lot of information. However, the worst offense of this was his first post, catching up on a lot of information, so I can probably let that slide considering his followup posts have been more to the point (if still a bit rambly and gratuitous). He's doing a fair amount of in-depth analysis in there, so I'm going to lean town on him.
AE: The opening call for a mass claim is offputting, and that pretty much makes up half of his posts. He votes Hunger for being unsure about the massclaim, and then posts that he "re-read" which makes him satisfied with his vote, with no explanation. He's fighting against the lynch of Grizz while also encouraging Grizz to blind-fire his vanillafier, which seems like it does not help town interests. Overall getting a scummy vibe here.
Asenion: At ten posts, he's got the least to analyze here. He's actually the first to suggest putting off the lynch (#180). The sum total of his analyses thus far is pretty small. He votes Grizz originally for being "jumpy", then supports his vote well after the fact by pointing to Grizz's "implosion" and suggests we lynch him to "progress the game" despite being pretty uncertain. I'd like to see more here; with what I've got I can't get a solid read one way or the other.
Hunger: He gets embroiled in the massclaim discussion but never picks a side on it. However, overall, he seems to be giving off a very town vibe. He doesn't seem to mind at all that he's the second-biggest target of votes thus far. He's asking some pretty decent questions of motives and getting some decent analysis done himself. I think the massclaim thing muddied his waters a little, but I think the scumminess of fence-sitting there is overblown. Town lean.
Tom: He starts out mad at AE for the massclaim suggestion, but immediately barns AE on the Hunger vote. He seems to think Grizz is town, yet he's pushing his lynch pretty hard, to the point of calling it "inevitable". However, this falls in line with day 3 Tom from the modfia more than day 1/2, so I'm leaning Town.
DKing: Even less to go on here than Asenion. However, his few posts are packed with good analysis, leaning town.
Storyteller: Only a single post, and it's a long /barn "lynch SirGrizz". Really can't get much of a read on that, but sparse posting might be a sign of scumminess if it continues.
And lastly, SirGrizz: I feel like he's been analyzed to death, there's not really anything I can say here without just barning someone else. The defeatist attitude/self-vote is pretty Wine. The turnaround in his attitude since then is interesting though. It could be seen like him trying to appear more town now that the pressure has abated some, or he could just actually be a new player that's better able to play as town without said pressure.
I still think his role is likely scum, and if he's going to shoot it tonight blind if we let him live, that's almost as dangerous.
I can agree with alot of your summary Wildfire, but I dont know about Digi, his more recent wall posts seem alot more stating the obvious than anything new to consider. I feel that the wall of posts are directly used to make him seem like he is trying to analyze and be a part of the discussion without really doing so.
I also question your opinion on AE, I found his mass claim out of the door be very helpful for catching a few players. Such as Hunger, his flip flop attitude about it made it sound like he wasnt opposed to it but then he was. Sounds like someone who doesnt want to step on any toes to me. Along with AE he explained that He has to reconsider his opinion on my claim.
Its pretty obvious that I imploded, people are stating that it would be best to just lynch me and I believe that some of those people are scum trying to pick off the low hanging fruit in their favor.
Now that you have given your opinion I am starting to see people's reads alittle better, you do have somewhat of a scummy read. You seem to be giving the people who slipped a benefit of the doubt then point people out that seem to be trying to find out more information before lynching. All the while, seems like your not making any waves, alot of soft-attacks and that is the biggest read I have.
I'm waffling on this lynch again... something is bugging me. Minus the self-vote, SirGrizz is coming off as defeated town. He's still trying to offer reads and analysis and he hasn't clammed up to avoid giving anything away through slips or interactions. Although I'm not sure we shouldn't lynch him anyway, as that role is still a pretty big threat in the hands of newbtown.
Generic, what do you think of AE specifically? I need to go back and take a closer look, but his behavior re:the Grizz lynch and pushing Asenion is giving me some serious Apocalypse vibes from D1 when I was getting run up.
That post feels like Town Digi. I don't see any slants towards or against specific players and he shows reasonable logic towards multiple potential suspects.
There is an ongoing game I really wish was finished so I could point to it as a reference, because this a textbook example of scum needlessly trying to throw town!cred at a buddy for all kinds of vague, substance-less reasons (reasonable logic, no slant, etc). The post is fake and unnecessary. It came almost immediately after Digi's first big wall post of the game, which was unchallenged.
No, I'm town reading Digi and I don't think many others are. Here's how I view Grizz:
60% chance he's scum. 40% chance he's mislead suicidal Town. He will continue to distract everyone and be the focus of the game as long as he's alive, so to progress we should lynch him.
He does the same thing in the first sentence here. One or two players (specifically Hunger) have expressed mild suspicion toward Digi, but nothing has been pursued and I'm pretty sure no one has voted him or even put him at the bottom of their T/S list.
Also, in 180 he FoS's Wildfire for doing something that Digi also did, which was pushing for Grizz to claim. I already had a scum!read on Asenion anyway from that awful "I don't like your face" post, and this all makes Digi look really bad as well. I want to put Grizz on hold.
Scum tend to benefit from specific things, such as a massclaim. I could ruin the thought process AE might have in what he did by applying my own assessment of expected outcomes (mafia is a game of psychology at its vote remember) but it would negate the point of doing them.
All I will say is that if you know AE you wouldn't assume him to be do damn obvious out the gate unless there was a reason. And I can't see a scum reason outside yhe obvious which doesn't fit AE as a player.
I see your point, but keep in mind I'm not referring to the massclaim suggestion. I'm talking about the past 2-3 pages of posts. There is something in his play that reminds me of the way he played around my lynch in Apocalypse.
I can agree with alot of your summary Wildfire, but I dont know about Digi, his more recent wall posts seem alot more stating the obvious than anything new to consider. I feel that the wall of posts are directly used to make him seem like he is trying to analyze and be a part of the discussion without really doing so.
I did point out that his walls of text could be scummy. However, he's drastically toned them down since the first, which was analyzing several pages of interactions.
Now, he could have ratcheted it back because he got called out for it, but he has had a few pieces of decent insight.
I also question your opinion on AE, I found his mass claim out of the door be very helpful for catching a few players. Such as Hunger, his flip flop attitude about it made it sound like he wasnt opposed to it but then he was. Sounds like someone who doesnt want to step on any toes to me. Along with AE he explained that He has to reconsider his opinion on my claim.
Part of my opinion on AE was considering the request for massclaim to be legitimate, which would be a definite scumtell. From the sound of things though, I may have misread that, in which case he'd end up further down on my list.
I'm still not sure that "finding" Hunger is legit though.
Its pretty obvious that I imploded, people are stating that it would be best to just lynch me and I believe that some of those people are scum trying to pick off the low hanging fruit in their favor.
A lot of the people pushing the lynch on you still are doing so because:
1) Your implosion reaction
2) The threat of using your ability and the fact that that would force some people to claim in order to protect the strong PRs (which would in turn give the Mafia a nice clean kill list)
3) The fact that your role seems more scum-aligned than townie.
Your attitude since the implosion has me reconsidering on 1, but 2 and 3 are still legitimate concerns.
Now that you have given your opinion I am starting to see people's reads alittle better, you do have somewhat of a scummy read. You seem to be giving the people who slipped a benefit of the doubt then point people out that seem to be trying to find out more information before lynching. All the while, seems like your not making any waves, alot of soft-attacks and that is the biggest read I have.
As stated, I was a bit busy the past few days, so I haven't had time to make waves or harder attacks. The read post was something of catchup, and I plan on pressing forwards with some information-gathering.
For starters:
If you live the day, do you plan on using your shot tonight?
If so, which player are you thinking you will use it on?
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For starters:
If you live the day, do you plan on using your shot tonight?
If so, which player are you thinking you will use it on?
*If* we choose to lynch someone else toDay, Grizz sits on his thumbs and doesn't do anything toNight. If he does he gets lynched D2, no questions asked.
Wildfire, I dislike your last post because the last part in particular reads like you intend to use Sirgrizz as a role fishing rod.
I'd rather he didn't shoot at all, which is what the first question is for.
I have a feeling he'd aim at me if he did (he's mentioned something to the effect previously), and I want to see if I need to claim my own role. My hope is not to have anyone claim, but if he's insistent on using it there's some safer ways to go about it.
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*If* we choose to lynch someone else toDay, Grizz sits on his thumbs and doesn't do anything toNight. If he does he gets lynched D2, no questions asked.
If this is the consensus than it'd behoove him to not shoot today.
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I like SirGrizz as scum, for all the reasons already mentioned.
Being defeatist is actually a common trait among new players, but I don't believe they are generally as complacent as he is.
I'm willing to believe that he's true claiming his role, though not his alignment.
Vanillifier feels more like a scum role to me, but there's no guarantee roles are tied to alignment, given the set-up.
Since proving that he is a vanillifier toNight will have no baring on his alignment,
the only reason he should escape lynch toDay is if we really want him to vanillify someone, and I'm not sure we really want to?
Keeping him alive will also threaten town PRs, which may lead to unneeded claims, as Generic has indicated.
Overall, he seems better off dead than alive.
If others are ready to move on, I'm willing to vote for the lynch.
For the record, I know almost nothing about X-men, except some stuff I saw on 4kids/cartoon network? a few years back.
I had no clue who SirGrizz was breadcrumbing, unlike most of you.
I agree here, though I think we should hold off hammering for a little while longer and see what we can figure out about everyone else. No reason to end this day so quickly, that only benefits the scum team.
The bolded sits weird. I don't know what it is, but that comment seems very off. And off in a bad way.
: narrows eyes :
That comment screams at me to unvote Grizz. I think it's just a weird gut feeling, idk. If I can pinpoint the reasoning, I'll revisit the issue loudly.
First off I would like to say sorry for my emotion yesterday, had a great night of sitting back looking over my game play and realizing how bad it is. It also gave me a great chance to sit back and look at the players reactions to my meltdown. I know the best tactic is to kill me off, I would say scum if anyone else was in my seat. Hope people just use this tool to their benefit.
While this seems more genuine, your previous self aware actions just make me see this as yet another attempt to clear yourself.
Still sounds pretty defeatist to me.
Digi, the gameplay there is weird and very easy to get lost in, can be a great tactic to make wall after wall of information, but at the same time I think it is drawing unneeded conclusions that take away from points, I feel this is scummy and hope town looks more into this later in the game
The conclusions I'm drawing seem to put you in a bad light.
That being said, what [I]exactly[/I] are you talking about? Specifically, what conclusions am I drawing that are away from the points I've been making?
Generic I feel is still scummy but I feel that is because of his constant push on me, he kept the pressure on me and it was solid game play kudos to you. What is giving me the vibe he is scum is from the second I showed weakness he was on me like white on rice. Knowing im low hanging fruit is a best chance for Scum to start off the game in their favor and Generic knows I am new.
Weaknesses aren't really what you're showing. To me, you're showing genuine signs of newbscum mindset. "If I seem like I'm going to hurt them when I get lynched, they surely won't lynch me!", is the reasoning I'm picturing going on in your head. I did it as newb scum. and feel you've been acting like that. Scumslips aren't the same as weaknesses, not like you're implying here.
Anyway, feels also like you're just pointing out folk who have a beef with what you've been doing.
I also don't like how you compared an action of his as scummy and don't actually call him a lead by actually saying so.
Asenion just seems so bandwagony and only seems to be posting to back up other peoples opinions. I feel most people are on track with this and I really don't need to say much more.
I can see that.
After Hungers flip/flop nature I posted unjustified scum lean on hunger Hunger was quick to question my lean on him showing fear, I was fishing for tells here and I feel he slipped a few times, I'm pretty sure he is scum.
Parrotting, but you're right. I also am pretty sure he's scum.
Not looking as scum as you though...
Rhand seems to be strong town, he is very good at catching peoples slip ups and I suggest Town to take his lead.
I do not know Rhand's abilities as a player to comment on this enough. I am having a tough time analyzing his posts.
Archmage Eternal I feel he came out the door swinging and in a good way, A strong town read I feel he is doing very well at fishing and suggest other townies to follow the leads he pulls.
I don't really know about [I]strong[/s] town read with me. I do like what I think he tried to do with the claim thing. It was a very good way to help gauge the state of things by people's reactions to it. Which is certainly something I'm seeing as pro-town. AE is what I consider a veteran though, so I expect him to to try and trick me and I am still not 100% clear as to why he did it, so he is still not in the clear for me.
Tom is playing very objectively and seems to be looking out of the box, I liked him from the beginning, in part that he recognized that I was calm but also because he knew I wasnt scum. He also knows that my Lynch now would be the biggest benefit to the town as it will shed light on some cases.
More self aware behavior.
Right now, I like Tom.
dking I felt was giving me a chance due to the fact that I am new, this feels town to me for the fact that I think he was using me for a chance at catching other players, which I am completely fine with. A lot of his posts do agree with the general Idea but I think he is giving his opinion. Town Lean
This is also agreeable.
Wildfire I really havent been able to get a read on. He does seem to be making I agree posts without adding any opinions of his own.
Please explain.
Shockwave as Tom pointed out is playing very flavor/claims/role kind of game he plays off other aspects of the game and not so much people’s behavior. I feel this isnt scummy as it can lead to tells as to what someone can/cant do. Not sure if it will help town much though.
I see this as only nodding to Tom. Which is starting to get fishy.
Storyteller, considering the lack of posts and the one post he done was just pretty much bandwagon, I think ether he is to busy or he is trying to just coast by, Needs looked in further by the players.
Ether way I am content with my lynch I gave my opinions and thoughts and would like once I get flipped town that people actually start looking at the things I saw.
RHand: He comes out of the gate very aggressively. He's the first to break RVS. He seems very reactive (someone posts something and he immediately jumps on them) rather than proactive (looking back and finding a pattern of posts as scummy). When he's not directly responding to an action, his posts are pretty fluffy. Particularly sticking out to me is #103, where he barns AE after claiming he was about to do an analysis of his own. This seems to me like a great way to mask the lack of actual analysis.
Overall, his attitude seems pro-town, but some of his tactics have a scummy underpinning.
Shockwave: Literally everything he's posted has had to do with flavor and role gaming. He's only looked at SirGrizz (who was already a target by that time), and that's where pretty much the entirety of his attention has gone. There is some merit to role gaming (less so with flavor), but it seems a little one-track. Leaning Scum.
Generic: I'm getting a town read here. Feels a lot like day 1/day 3 Specific from the modfia, minus Proph's aggressive probing questions.
Digi: His walls of text make me think scummy, as he's posting a lot of volume without a lot of information. However, the worst offense of this was his first post, catching up on a lot of information, so I can probably let that slide considering his followup posts have been more to the point (if still a bit rambly and gratuitous). He's doing a fair amount of in-depth analysis in there, so I'm going to lean town on him.
AE: The opening call for a mass claim is offputting, and that pretty much makes up half of his posts. He votes Hunger for being unsure about the massclaim, and then posts that he "re-read" which makes him satisfied with his vote, with no explanation. He's fighting against the lynch of Grizz while also encouraging Grizz to blind-fire his vanillafier, which seems like it does not help town interests. Overall getting a scummy vibe here.
Asenion: At ten posts, he's got the least to analyze here. He's actually the first to suggest putting off the lynch (#180). The sum total of his analyses thus far is pretty small. He votes Grizz originally for being "jumpy", then supports his vote well after the fact by pointing to Grizz's "implosion" and suggests we lynch him to "progress the game" despite being pretty uncertain. I'd like to see more here; with what I've got I can't get a solid read one way or the other.
Hunger: He gets embroiled in the massclaim discussion but never picks a side on it. However, overall, he seems to be giving off a very town vibe. He doesn't seem to mind at all that he's the second-biggest target of votes thus far. He's asking some pretty decent questions of motives and getting some decent analysis done himself. I think the massclaim thing muddied his waters a little, but I think the scumminess of fence-sitting there is overblown. Town lean.
Tom: He starts out mad at AE for the massclaim suggestion, but immediately barns AE on the Hunger vote. He seems to think Grizz is town, yet he's pushing his lynch pretty hard, to the point of calling it "inevitable". However, this falls in line with day 3 Tom from the modfia more than day 1/2, so I'm leaning Town.
DKing: Even less to go on here than Asenion. However, his few posts are packed with good analysis, leaning town.
Storyteller: Only a single post, and it's a long /barn "lynch SirGrizz". Really can't get much of a read on that, but sparse posting might be a sign of scumminess if it continues.
And lastly, SirGrizz: I feel like he's been analyzed to death, there's not really anything I can say here without just barning someone else. The defeatist attitude/self-vote is pretty Wine. The turnaround in his attitude since then is interesting though. It could be seen like him trying to appear more town now that the pressure has abated some, or he could just actually be a new player that's better able to play as town without said pressure.
I still think his role is likely scum, and if he's going to shoot it tonight blind if we let him live, that's almost as dangerous.
I can agree with alot of your summary Wildfire, but I dont know about Digi, his more recent wall posts seem alot more stating the obvious than anything new to consider. I feel that the wall of posts are directly used to make him seem like he is trying to analyze and be a part of the discussion without really doing so.
Is it because I've been pointing out your behavior moreso than almost anyone else?
Its pretty obvious that I imploded, people are stating that it would be best to just lynch me and I believe that some of those people are scum trying to pick off the low hanging fruit in their favor.
Who said it would be best to lynch you and didn't back up their claims with examples of scummy behavior?
And I freely admit I have a lot of bias with my vote. But I also think he has proven he is scum by his actions.
I seem to be the only one to have picked up on him offering to throw out all his own opinions and follow the majority view if he is spared being lynched ... That's not town in mindset. That's survivalist, but not town.
Yeah, there's a reason my vote has still sat where it is despite his turnaround of behavior. I did forget about that particular desperation post, but you're absolutely correct about it.
And Digi comes with another Wall of Text, just when I was saying that he'd toned those down. Again, it doesn't really say much. Nudging Digi up into orange.
Digi: Assuming we lynch Grizz, if he flips town, does this change your reads at all? Who would be your top scum pick in that scenario?
What about if he flips scum?
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@WF, just trying to catch up... don't mean to assault anyone with a wall of texts. I'll start making tl:dr spoilers, but I want people to see my commentary as I'm reading it.
If/when he flips scum, it won't change my reads at all. If he flips town, my reads will certainly change.
@WF, just trying to catch up... don't mean to assault anyone with a wall of texts. I'll start making tl:dr spoilers, but I want people to see my commentary as I'm reading it.
If/when he flips scum, it won't change my reads at all. If he flips town, my reads will certainly change.
Can you elaborate on how your reads would change?
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@Wildfire's question about not using my shot, I kind of have to, if I dont I am sure to be lynched tomorrow. Right now I am trying to figure out who would be the strongest options for it, Personally its starting to get to the point where you cant name it because that will force the person named to claim and in the end give alot of unneeded information. It will be one of the players I suspect as scum. That's if I get lynched...Otherwise when I flip town I just hope I didnt hurt the town to much and they can use my meltdown to catch people's slips
@Wildfire's question about not using my shot, I kind of have to, if I dont I am sure to be lynched tomorrow. Right now I am trying to figure out who would be the strongest options for it, Personally its starting to get to the point where you cant name it because that will force the person named to claim and in the end give alot of unneeded information. It will be one of the players I suspect as scum. That's if I get lynched...Otherwise when I flip town I just hope I didnt hurt the town to much and they can use my meltdown to catch people's slips
*If* we choose to lynch someone else toDay, Grizz sits on his thumbs and doesn't do anything toNight. If he does he gets lynched D2, no questions asked.
This is the opposite of what you're claiming would happen. No one really doubts the veracity of your PR claim, what is in question is your alignment.
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Even though several people have advised you not use it, you claim you will be lynched day 2 if you don't .
Not killed in the night, but lynched day 2. So suddenly no concerns about the night kill yet justifying the fact you will not only be using it but not revealing who you will target.
I would call that a slip. No fear of the night kill, and doesn't want the target to cld and stop him being to justifiably aim at them if the power is very useful.
Why would I worry about the night kill? Im such a huge target I doubt scum will waste a NK on me
Digi, I just got done reading your post and I gotta say this one is alot better than previous ones I have read, I actually see your own opinions and want to thank you for that.
When I said your drawing unneeded conclusions I was mainly saying you were saying the same things so many other people have said without contributing your own.
About Wildfire during my first post, I stated he wasnt really making any waves, thus I cannot get any reads on him mainly just posting what has already been said and /barn, Making it seem alot like he is just trying to get noticed but not draw to much attention.
As I said your last post actually offered some actual opinions, I will be honest the first two times I was reading the thread to see if I saw anything I just skipped over your post as it was a tl:dr moment. Right now though I still see you as a scum lean, it is for the fact that these long posts get to one point and keeps touching the same bases over and over again. Seems like you are trying to only focus on one thing and that is trying to pick off a low hanging fruit before I bounce back.
So I would like to know your opinion, if I survive the day would you prefer me not using my PR? Not saying I want you to unvote me but just answer that question
If the majority decides they would rather me sit on my PR then I will do so. But We need atleast 7 people stating they want me to do so
If you somehow aren't the lynch toDay, I want you to sit on your PR.
/barn this
Hell, I may be willing to unvote you and consider other targets for the lynch if we can get a consensus on this.
Sirgrizz is either scum, in which case our vote to not use the ability is bollocks or he is town, in which case voting to not use the ability safeguards scum's abilities.
This post reeks of "if my ability is safe I no longer need SirGrizz dead"
unvote, vote Wildfire
I think we should vote on who Grizz uses the ability on so that he has no freedom to fire the nk or choose one for himself as scum and he clearly needs guidance as town.
The best action for me to take, If I avoid being lynched, I am not going to use my PR unless the Town can agree on a Majority choice of who should be targeted.
If I was to fire freely I probably would roll a dice between Generic, Digi, Wildfire. Those three are the only three that read scum in anyway for me.
Sirgrizz is either scum, in which case our vote to not use the ability is bollocks or he is town, in which case voting to not use the ability safeguards scum's abilities.
This post reeks of "if my ability is safe I no longer need SirGrizz dead"
unvote, vote Wildfire
I think we should vote on who Grizz uses the ability on so that he has no freedom to fire the nk or choose one for himself as scum and he clearly needs guidance as town.
I disagree with this. First, if we vote on a player for Grizz to shoot then that player will claim and we have to go through the process of trying to decide whether we want that player vanillified post-claim. And if we don't, rinse and repeat and we end up with a bunch of claims on D1.
Second, if we go into night with the policy of "Grizz uses his ability, he gets lynched", he won't use it if he's town and he may still choose not to use it if he's scum. I do see your point about taking away scum!Grizz's ability to perform the NK if we mandate his shot, but I'd still rather he does nothing.
Hunger was reading scummy to me, but not as much as the other 3 on my list, Wildfire made the list as it seemed he was the hardest pusher for me not to use my PR.
Realized that I didnt explain my position well enough with Wildfire, if you notice in my summary I stated I felt he wasnt posting much and the posting he was doing wasnt making any waves, as in he really was just agreeing/disagreeing with this or that. That reads scummy to me, the Point Rhand pointed out was what put him on the list, Hunger is close aswell but I really dont know he seems to have taken a step back and really hasnt been on my radar the last couple of pages.
Hunger was reading scummy to me, but not as much as the other 3 on my list, Wildfire made the list as it seemed he was the hardest pusher for me not to use my PR.
Look let me make this completely clear, I know Im the target to get lynched, Am I trying not to get lynched yes but I have also accepted it will most likely happen.
One of four things will happen
I get lynched, I flip town, people will learn my town mentality for future games, and hopefully town will still pull it out for the win.
I dont get lynched and majority decides for me to PR someone, they get PR'd but claim they didnt. I get lynched tomorrow for not being able to prove it.
I dont get lynched and no majority vote happens, we go to tomorrow and Im still a major suspect most likely gonna be lynched then
I dont get lynched no majority vote, I get NK from the scum due to the fear of being targeted the next night.
In no way was I discussing targets, I want to make it clear that If I fire blindly I will target the people I consider scum.
But I wont fire on my free will, to avoid being lynched today/tomorrow I would agree that I will not fire my PR on anyone unless we get a Majority ruling
Sirgrizz is either scum, in which case our vote to not use the ability is bollocks or he is town, in which case voting to not use the ability safeguards scum's abilities.
This post reeks of "if my ability is safe I no longer need SirGrizz dead"
unvote, vote Wildfire
I think we should vote on who Grizz uses the ability on so that he has no freedom to fire the nk or choose one for himself as scum and he clearly needs guidance as town.
How bad at this are you?
I honestly don't care that much about my ability as it is pretty useless except that it is A) day-verifiable, and B) strongly town. So if he wants to use it on SOMEONE, he should probably use it on me because it doesn't really matter if I lose it as long as I get the chance to verify its existence to the town first.
If we're not lynching Grizz, that means we are lynching someone else. That means at least one more claim today just from lynching.
Then we aim the vanilla-cannon of Grizz's, and we're getting at least one more claim. Probably a third between the lynch and the vanillafy vote because we're likely to hit at least one claim that'd make us back off.
So you really want about a third of the entire group claiming on day one?
If Sirgrizz is town like he claims you are advising he uses his one shot on the one day we have least info and most chance of error. And worse still you want a group containing the full scum team to decide the target?
Look let me make this completely clear, I know Im the target to get lynched, Am I trying not to get lynched yes but I have also accepted it will most likely happen.
One of four things will happen
I get lynched, I flip town, people will learn my town mentality for future games, and hopefully town will still pull it out for the win.
I dont get lynched and majority decides for me to PR someone, they get PR'd but claim they didnt. I get lynched tomorrow for not being able to prove it.
I dont get lynched and no majority vote happens, we go to tomorrow and Im still a major suspect most likely gonna be lynched then
I dont get lynched no majority vote, I get NK from the scum due to the fear of being targeted the next night.
I think you're taking an awful reductionist stance here. Especially #2: who -besides scum - gains from denying that your role works? I think you're still stuck in the mentality that we question the validity of your claim.
Again, the validity of your claim was never in question. It's an unusual enough role that I doubt you would have come up with it yourself, especially as the flavor is not a home-run. It's not quite unusual enough that it's got to be made up.
The major question is whether or not a town would have that ability.
I think you snd I have communication problems. But I'm willing to consider your offer to holster that ability , because I can see great value in it at a later stage in the game.
And reassessing your point about not being a night kill I can see that being likely given the dust your posts kick up.
One thing I want you to do , if you are willing to listen TK a suspect of yours, is try and get all you want to say down in one go and as clearly as possible. Because you fire off multi posts that read like you are rambling. And that's why I'm seeing suspicious content and contradictions in everything you type right now.
I guess you're just forgetting all of the scumslips you've previously caught, like the survivalist mentality of "oh I'll give up on my leads"?
I mean, I'm by no means dead-set on a Grizz lynch, but you've been the #1 proponent of it, and this change seems pretty stark.
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You can think what you like wildfire, but taking a step back after witnessing absolute chaos posting from someone provides me with a lot of additional things to assess.
Rands move to get the shot fired off gave me reason alone to pause.
But also your immediate desire to soft suspect me for taking sirgrizz from L-1or 2 is something I would like to discuss, why so knee jerk?
And the breadcrumbling... Why? I don't care for self sacrifice, especially only after being named as a potential target.
I do agree that RHand's last post gave me pause.
I just think it's unusual that most of your previous posts have been: "Here's another scumslip, happy with my vote where it is", but suddenly you've changed your mind completely.
As for the breadcrumbing, I'm attempting to explain the reason why I was pressing him for a target earlier. Also, with RHand pressing me like he is and several rookie moves of my own, I expect to be in the spotlight fairly soon.
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@RhandHow do we know that in this game that a role's power can't be used with a factional NK?
Nothing in the opening indicates whether or not this is true and also I don't think this would be open information that the mod would hand out on request. I believe you have slipped.
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Also I've been looking at the responses to the SirGrizz Vanillifier situation and I do see how he is a definite cause for paranoia. I mean there are ways we can guarentee he never fires that ability off, but it requires we know what is in hand...
That said, he would be a lightning rod for ability uses if he lives and I'm not sure if that would be helpful, or, in my current opion after getting a better view on things based on the discussion passed around, a distraction that would keep town members, myself included, from making the optimal choices with their PR use.
Guiding the shot has it merits, but also some serious drawbacks as there is plenty of WIFOM opportunities should we choose poorly. (Scum faking.) Or we could get an actual result if choosing poorly. (He turns out to be scum and fired on a towny.)
I didn't think anything could bug me more then the previous discussion around him...
I'm not ready to end the Day yet, need to go over a view things and fine tune my reads before Night comes...
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Even though several people have advised you not use it, you claim you will be lynched day 2 if you don't .
Not killed in the night, but lynched day 2. So suddenly no concerns about the night kill yet justifying the fact you will not only be using it but not revealing who you will target.
I would call that a slip. No fear of the night kill, and doesn't want the target to cld and stop him being to justifiably aim at them if the power is very useful.
Why would I worry about the night kill? Im such a huge target I doubt scum will waste a NK on me
Dat wifom...
Not really. If in fact he's town do you really think the scum are going to kill him?
Also I've been looking at the responses to the SirGrizz Vanillifier situation and I do see how he is a definite cause for paranoia. I mean there are ways we can guarentee he never fires that ability off, but it requires we know what is in hand...
Thats not going to happen anytime soon.
That said, he would be a lightning rod for ability uses if he lives
I don't see him becoming a lightning rod. If town, scum won't go near him. Maybe a few townies might do something, maybe.
I've got to go back and catch up on this past day.
Rhand said by forcing Grizz to target someone, we will know he isn't available to do the NK. Shock is saying we don't know that he can't do both in one Night, so Rhand slipped info by saying he knows it will stop Grizz from performing the NK.
Sirgrizz is either scum, in which case our vote to not use the ability is bollocks or he is town, in which case voting to not use the ability safeguards scum's abilities.
This post reeks of "if my ability is safe I no longer need SirGrizz dead"
unvote, vote Wildfire
I agree with this. It's a very selfish mindset.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
The best action for me to take, If I avoid being lynched, I am not going to use my PR unless the Town can agree on a Majority choice of who should be targeted.
If I was to fire freely I probably would roll a dice between Generic, Digi, Wildfire. Those three are the only three that read scum in anyway for me.
Really? Because both times you have mentioned me you have stated that I'm scummy and that it's obvious for others to see.
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60% chance he's scum. 40% chance he's mislead suicidal Town. He will continue to distract everyone and be the focus of the game as long as he's alive, so to progress we should lynch him.
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In the few posts you have made you /barn Digi followed by Wildfires Barn. Maybe it isnt Bandwagoning but you seem to be agreeing with people other than giving your own opinions.
I think other people have picked up on this and really no reason for me to press it any further
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In retrospect, I can see where you are coming from on this. Part of the reason I posted to hold up on the lynch is that I was rather busy the past two IRL days and not able to back through the thread with a fine tooth comb looking for reads. I didn't want this Day to slip away from us before I had a chance to do that. Working on putting that together now, expect it in my next post.
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RHand: He comes out of the gate very aggressively. He's the first to break RVS. He seems very reactive (someone posts something and he immediately jumps on them) rather than proactive (looking back and finding a pattern of posts as scummy). When he's not directly responding to an action, his posts are pretty fluffy. Particularly sticking out to me is #103, where he barns AE after claiming he was about to do an analysis of his own. This seems to me like a great way to mask the lack of actual analysis.
Overall, his attitude seems pro-town, but some of his tactics have a scummy underpinning.
Shockwave: Literally everything he's posted has had to do with flavor and role gaming. He's only looked at SirGrizz (who was already a target by that time), and that's where pretty much the entirety of his attention has gone. There is some merit to role gaming (less so with flavor), but it seems a little one-track. Leaning Scum.
Generic: I'm getting a town read here. Feels a lot like day 1/day 3 Specific from the modfia, minus Proph's aggressive probing questions.
Digi: His walls of text make me think scummy, as he's posting a lot of volume without a lot of information. However, the worst offense of this was his first post, catching up on a lot of information, so I can probably let that slide considering his followup posts have been more to the point (if still a bit rambly and gratuitous). He's doing a fair amount of in-depth analysis in there, so I'm going to lean town on him.
AE: The opening call for a mass claim is offputting, and that pretty much makes up half of his posts. He votes Hunger for being unsure about the massclaim, and then posts that he "re-read" which makes him satisfied with his vote, with no explanation. He's fighting against the lynch of Grizz while also encouraging Grizz to blind-fire his vanillafier, which seems like it does not help town interests. Overall getting a scummy vibe here.
Asenion: At ten posts, he's got the least to analyze here. He's actually the first to suggest putting off the lynch (#180). The sum total of his analyses thus far is pretty small. He votes Grizz originally for being "jumpy", then supports his vote well after the fact by pointing to Grizz's "implosion" and suggests we lynch him to "progress the game" despite being pretty uncertain. I'd like to see more here; with what I've got I can't get a solid read one way or the other.
Hunger: He gets embroiled in the massclaim discussion but never picks a side on it. However, overall, he seems to be giving off a very town vibe. He doesn't seem to mind at all that he's the second-biggest target of votes thus far. He's asking some pretty decent questions of motives and getting some decent analysis done himself. I think the massclaim thing muddied his waters a little, but I think the scumminess of fence-sitting there is overblown. Town lean.
Tom: He starts out mad at AE for the massclaim suggestion, but immediately barns AE on the Hunger vote. He seems to think Grizz is town, yet he's pushing his lynch pretty hard, to the point of calling it "inevitable". However, this falls in line with day 3 Tom from the modfia more than day 1/2, so I'm leaning Town.
DKing: Even less to go on here than Asenion. However, his few posts are packed with good analysis, leaning town.
Storyteller: Only a single post, and it's a long /barn "lynch SirGrizz". Really can't get much of a read on that, but sparse posting might be a sign of scumminess if it continues.
And lastly, SirGrizz: I feel like he's been analyzed to death, there's not really anything I can say here without just barning someone else. The defeatist attitude/self-vote is pretty Wine. The turnaround in his attitude since then is interesting though. It could be seen like him trying to appear more town now that the pressure has abated some, or he could just actually be a new player that's better able to play as town without said pressure.
I still think his role is likely scum, and if he's going to shoot it tonight blind if we let him live, that's almost as dangerous.
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Those are two I'm less certain on. They probably both should have been in the orange.
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I can agree with alot of your summary Wildfire, but I dont know about Digi, his more recent wall posts seem alot more stating the obvious than anything new to consider. I feel that the wall of posts are directly used to make him seem like he is trying to analyze and be a part of the discussion without really doing so.
I also question your opinion on AE, I found his mass claim out of the door be very helpful for catching a few players. Such as Hunger, his flip flop attitude about it made it sound like he wasnt opposed to it but then he was. Sounds like someone who doesnt want to step on any toes to me. Along with AE he explained that He has to reconsider his opinion on my claim.
Its pretty obvious that I imploded, people are stating that it would be best to just lynch me and I believe that some of those people are scum trying to pick off the low hanging fruit in their favor.
Now that you have given your opinion I am starting to see people's reads alittle better, you do have somewhat of a scummy read. You seem to be giving the people who slipped a benefit of the doubt then point people out that seem to be trying to find out more information before lynching. All the while, seems like your not making any waves, alot of soft-attacks and that is the biggest read I have.
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There is an ongoing game I really wish was finished so I could point to it as a reference, because this a textbook example of scum needlessly trying to throw town!cred at a buddy for all kinds of vague, substance-less reasons (reasonable logic, no slant, etc). The post is fake and unnecessary. It came almost immediately after Digi's first big wall post of the game, which was unchallenged.
He does the same thing in the first sentence here. One or two players (specifically Hunger) have expressed mild suspicion toward Digi, but nothing has been pursued and I'm pretty sure no one has voted him or even put him at the bottom of their T/S list.
Also, in 180 he FoS's Wildfire for doing something that Digi also did, which was pushing for Grizz to claim. I already had a scum!read on Asenion anyway from that awful "I don't like your face" post, and this all makes Digi look really bad as well. I want to put Grizz on hold.
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I see your point, but keep in mind I'm not referring to the massclaim suggestion. I'm talking about the past 2-3 pages of posts. There is something in his play that reminds me of the way he played around my lynch in Apocalypse.
I did point out that his walls of text could be scummy. However, he's drastically toned them down since the first, which was analyzing several pages of interactions.
Now, he could have ratcheted it back because he got called out for it, but he has had a few pieces of decent insight.
Part of my opinion on AE was considering the request for massclaim to be legitimate, which would be a definite scumtell. From the sound of things though, I may have misread that, in which case he'd end up further down on my list.
I'm still not sure that "finding" Hunger is legit though.
A lot of the people pushing the lynch on you still are doing so because:
1) Your implosion reaction
2) The threat of using your ability and the fact that that would force some people to claim in order to protect the strong PRs (which would in turn give the Mafia a nice clean kill list)
3) The fact that your role seems more scum-aligned than townie.
Your attitude since the implosion has me reconsidering on 1, but 2 and 3 are still legitimate concerns.
As stated, I was a bit busy the past few days, so I haven't had time to make waves or harder attacks. The read post was something of catchup, and I plan on pressing forwards with some information-gathering.
For starters:
If you live the day, do you plan on using your shot tonight?
If so, which player are you thinking you will use it on?
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*If* we choose to lynch someone else toDay, Grizz sits on his thumbs and doesn't do anything toNight. If he does he gets lynched D2, no questions asked.
I'd rather he didn't shoot at all, which is what the first question is for.
I have a feeling he'd aim at me if he did (he's mentioned something to the effect previously), and I want to see if I need to claim my own role. My hope is not to have anyone claim, but if he's insistent on using it there's some safer ways to go about it.
If this is the consensus than it'd behoove him to not shoot today.
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The bolded sits weird. I don't know what it is, but that comment seems very off. And off in a bad way.
: narrows eyes :
That comment screams at me to unvote Grizz. I think it's just a weird gut feeling, idk. If I can pinpoint the reasoning, I'll revisit the issue loudly.
While this seems more genuine, your previous self aware actions just make me see this as yet another attempt to clear yourself.
Still sounds pretty defeatist to me.
The conclusions I'm drawing seem to put you in a bad light.
That being said, what [I]exactly[/I] are you talking about? Specifically, what conclusions am I drawing that are away from the points I've been making?
Weaknesses aren't really what you're showing. To me, you're showing genuine signs of newbscum mindset. "If I seem like I'm going to hurt them when I get lynched, they surely won't lynch me!", is the reasoning I'm picturing going on in your head. I did it as newb scum. and feel you've been acting like that. Scumslips aren't the same as weaknesses, not like you're implying here.
Anyway, feels also like you're just pointing out folk who have a beef with what you've been doing.
I also don't like how you compared an action of his as scummy and don't actually call him a lead by actually saying so.
I can see that.
Parrotting, but you're right. I also am pretty sure he's scum.
Not looking as scum as you though...
I do not know Rhand's abilities as a player to comment on this enough. I am having a tough time analyzing his posts.
I don't really know about [I]strong[/s] town read with me. I do like what I think he tried to do with the claim thing. It was a very good way to help gauge the state of things by people's reactions to it. Which is certainly something I'm seeing as pro-town. AE is what I consider a veteran though, so I expect him to to try and trick me and I am still not 100% clear as to why he did it, so he is still not in the clear for me.
More self aware behavior.
Right now, I like Tom.
This is also agreeable.
Please explain.
I see this as only nodding to Tom. Which is starting to get fishy.
I was also feeling like this.
Is it because I've been pointing out your behavior moreso than almost anyone else?
Who said it would be best to lynch you and didn't back up their claims with examples of scummy behavior?
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Yeah, there's a reason my vote has still sat where it is despite his turnaround of behavior. I did forget about that particular desperation post, but you're absolutely correct about it.
And Digi comes with another Wall of Text, just when I was saying that he'd toned those down. Again, it doesn't really say much. Nudging Digi up into orange.
Digi: Assuming we lynch Grizz, if he flips town, does this change your reads at all? Who would be your top scum pick in that scenario?
What about if he flips scum?
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If/when he flips scum, it won't change my reads at all. If he flips town, my reads will certainly change.
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Can you elaborate on how your reads would change?
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This is the opposite of what you're claiming would happen. No one really doubts the veracity of your PR claim, what is in question is your alignment.
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Why would I worry about the night kill? Im such a huge target I doubt scum will waste a NK on me
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/barn this
Hell, I may be willing to unvote you and consider other targets for the lynch if we can get a consensus on this.
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When I said your drawing unneeded conclusions I was mainly saying you were saying the same things so many other people have said without contributing your own.
About Wildfire during my first post, I stated he wasnt really making any waves, thus I cannot get any reads on him mainly just posting what has already been said and /barn, Making it seem alot like he is just trying to get noticed but not draw to much attention.
As I said your last post actually offered some actual opinions, I will be honest the first two times I was reading the thread to see if I saw anything I just skipped over your post as it was a tl:dr moment. Right now though I still see you as a scum lean, it is for the fact that these long posts get to one point and keeps touching the same bases over and over again. Seems like you are trying to only focus on one thing and that is trying to pick off a low hanging fruit before I bounce back.
So I would like to know your opinion, if I survive the day would you prefer me not using my PR? Not saying I want you to unvote me but just answer that question
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Sirgrizz is either scum, in which case our vote to not use the ability is bollocks or he is town, in which case voting to not use the ability safeguards scum's abilities.
This post reeks of "if my ability is safe I no longer need SirGrizz dead"
unvote, vote Wildfire
I think we should vote on who Grizz uses the ability on so that he has no freedom to fire the nk or choose one for himself as scum and he clearly needs guidance as town.
The best action for me to take, If I avoid being lynched, I am not going to use my PR unless the Town can agree on a Majority choice of who should be targeted.
If I was to fire freely I probably would roll a dice between Generic, Digi, Wildfire. Those three are the only three that read scum in anyway for me.
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I disagree with this. First, if we vote on a player for Grizz to shoot then that player will claim and we have to go through the process of trying to decide whether we want that player vanillified post-claim. And if we don't, rinse and repeat and we end up with a bunch of claims on D1.
Second, if we go into night with the policy of "Grizz uses his ability, he gets lynched", he won't use it if he's town and he may still choose not to use it if he's scum. I do see your point about taking away scum!Grizz's ability to perform the NK if we mandate his shot, but I'd still rather he does nothing.
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See the problem there?
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One of four things will happen
I get lynched, I flip town, people will learn my town mentality for future games, and hopefully town will still pull it out for the win.
I dont get lynched and majority decides for me to PR someone, they get PR'd but claim they didnt. I get lynched tomorrow for not being able to prove it.
I dont get lynched and no majority vote happens, we go to tomorrow and Im still a major suspect most likely gonna be lynched then
I dont get lynched no majority vote, I get NK from the scum due to the fear of being targeted the next night.
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But I wont fire on my free will, to avoid being lynched today/tomorrow I would agree that I will not fire my PR on anyone unless we get a Majority ruling
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How bad at this are you?
I honestly don't care that much about my ability as it is pretty useless except that it is A) day-verifiable, and B) strongly town. So if he wants to use it on SOMEONE, he should probably use it on me because it doesn't really matter if I lose it as long as I get the chance to verify its existence to the town first.
If we're not lynching Grizz, that means we are lynching someone else. That means at least one more claim today just from lynching.
Then we aim the vanilla-cannon of Grizz's, and we're getting at least one more claim. Probably a third between the lynch and the vanillafy vote because we're likely to hit at least one claim that'd make us back off.
So you really want about a third of the entire group claiming on day one?
Also, this but Generic beat me to it:
I think you're taking an awful reductionist stance here. Especially #2: who -besides scum - gains from denying that your role works? I think you're still stuck in the mentality that we question the validity of your claim.
Again, the validity of your claim was never in question. It's an unusual enough role that I doubt you would have come up with it yourself, especially as the flavor is not a home-run. It's not quite unusual enough that it's got to be made up.
The major question is whether or not a town would have that ability.
I guess you're just forgetting all of the scumslips you've previously caught, like the survivalist mentality of "oh I'll give up on my leads"?
I mean, I'm by no means dead-set on a Grizz lynch, but you've been the #1 proponent of it, and this change seems pretty stark.
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I do agree that RHand's last post gave me pause.
I just think it's unusual that most of your previous posts have been: "Here's another scumslip, happy with my vote where it is", but suddenly you've changed your mind completely.
As for the breadcrumbing, I'm attempting to explain the reason why I was pressing him for a target earlier. Also, with RHand pressing me like he is and several rookie moves of my own, I expect to be in the spotlight fairly soon.
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Nothing in the opening indicates whether or not this is true and also I don't think this would be open information that the mod would hand out on request. I believe you have slipped.
Unvote, Vote: Rhand
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Also I've been looking at the responses to the SirGrizz Vanillifier situation and I do see how he is a definite cause for paranoia. I mean there are ways we can guarentee he never fires that ability off, but it requires we know what is in hand...
That said, he would be a lightning rod for ability uses if he lives and I'm not sure if that would be helpful, or, in my current opion after getting a better view on things based on the discussion passed around, a distraction that would keep town members, myself included, from making the optimal choices with their PR use.
Guiding the shot has it merits, but also some serious drawbacks as there is plenty of WIFOM opportunities should we choose poorly. (Scum faking.) Or we could get an actual result if choosing poorly. (He turns out to be scum and fired on a towny.)
I didn't think anything could bug me more then the previous discussion around him...
I'm not ready to end the Day yet, need to go over a view things and fine tune my reads before Night comes...
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Don't fire.
Not really. If in fact he's town do you really think the scum are going to kill him?
Thats not going to happen anytime soon.
I don't see him becoming a lightning rod. If town, scum won't go near him. Maybe a few townies might do something, maybe.
I've got to go back and catch up on this past day.
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I don't want you shooting anyone but me. That would imply you survive that long though, which I'm not interested in happening.
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I agree with this. It's a very selfish mindset.
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Really? Because both times you have mentioned me you have stated that I'm scummy and that it's obvious for others to see.
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