@Cantripmancer: Dagaen claimed PR in his first post. The only possible reason to wagon him would be if we think he's so bad at this game that he'll implicate himself with his claim, which is a wholly unnecessary risk.
I like your thinking re: TK; I didn't see the logical disconnect from "PR or scum" to "scum" the first time around.
@Cantripmancer: Dagaen claimed PR in his first post. The only possible reason to wagon him would be if we think he's so bad at this game that he'll implicate himself with his claim, which is a wholly unnecessary risk.
...hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
@Dagaen: I think you've answered this recently, but I didn't see it in your posts this game: what's your mafia experience?
Alright, my vote on plum hasn't gone anywhere, and I believe he's inexperienced at mafia, which could explain his misrep of me. So its time to shift gears.
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I've had a bad feeling about Sir Karn since his first post, and he's really cemented it as time went on:
Next post with "content" wherein he calls a post by Dagaen bad without giving a single reason why and calls for more votes like he's actually made a point.
@KK: Why does anyone ever want anyone else to know any of their opinions in Mafia?
A question that has no purpose other than to sling mud at my scumhunting attempts and defend another player without actually addressing the point at hand.
That much is obvious, why did you want everyone to know you disagreed with me?
That is garbage, and is what I'm referring to.
You're doing a lot of questioning of people who are just voicing their opinions - and not just questioning those opinions, but why they think those opinions are relevant enough to post.
Are you the only one with opinions that are worthy of being posted in the thread?
Here he's assuming the worst about my intentions for no reason, which is, at best, being bad at the game, but could also be a scum move to attempt to discredit me. The more concretely scummy thing is how he reacts to being told he's wrong:
TL;DR The above are Sir Karn's only posts you could argue have content, and they're pretty sparse, I think its fair to call it active lurking. Add to that, the fact he's sitting on a wagon he's given no concrete reasons for joining, and his scummy exchange with me (everything he's actually done this game) and I think we've got a great candidate for Day 1's lynch.
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Reads so far.
scum:
Void - for WIFOMingly saying he wasn't going to participate, thus trying to score townie points
Axelrod - for accepting Void's post at face value
So, let's leave that vote on Axel for now.
I can't even parse this, but I'm pretty sure it makes no sense.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
scum:
Hunger - for seeming to have an agenda
Void - for WIFOMingly saying he wasn't going to participate, thus trying to score townie points
Axelrod - for accepting Void's post at face value
TK - for fishing on Dagaen
So, let's leave that vote on Axel for now.
Explain how Hunger "seems to have an agenda".
Why would you assume that Void was being non-serious with his "I'm not participating" post? If you took his post at face value, explain the read on Axelrod.
@Cantripmancer: Dagaen claimed PR in his first post. The only possible reason to wagon him would be if we think he's so bad at this game that he'll implicate himself with his claim, which is a wholly unnecessary risk.
I like your thinking re: TK; I didn't see the logical disconnect from "PR or scum" to "scum" the first time around.
So, of the three people voting AsianInvasian, can we assume one is scum?
Why would we assume that when 2 of them are RVS? Do you already have a read on AI?
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Nope. I thought there's a theory that if three people get behind someone early, then one is usually scum.
Why so eager to support a theory that you don't even know the reason for?
I assumed that it was a universal theory that applied to most games. Like I said, I was in a 12-player game mindset when I posted that, and was incorrect.
Yes, I get that.
What does that have to do with supporting a theory you don't understand/don't know how to apply?
You are posting with a genuine lack of guile that is impossible to fake.
How do you know it's genuine? Maybe I'm just really good at faking it? I don't like the word "obvTown" and your certainty, only scums know who is Town and who is not. It's one thing to have a good read on someone, but being so sure is a whole another case.
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I certainly don't remember you being this oddly paranoid in Star Wars Mafia. Why the change?
More content-less drivel, and a handwave.[/spoiler]TL;DR The above are Sir Karn's only posts you could argue have content, and they're pretty sparse, I think its fair to call it active lurking. Add to that, the fact he's sitting on a wagon he's given no concrete reasons for joining, and his scummy exchange with me (everything he's actually done this game) and I think we've got a great candidate for Day 1's lynch.
vote Sir Karn[/quote] Sadly, that's his standard play.
Yea, basing all of my play on a bastard clan game where not even I knew what my alignment was, and no one took seriously (including me), seems really sensible.
TK's push felt a little off to me, but after rereading it it does seem genuine. TK, what do you make of Dag's more recent posts?
I don't like them because they read as "Thanks for giving me tips on being better mafia." With that said, it's not something one up and says as mafia. So the recent posts feel genuine in learning how to not be mafia, and beyond serious WIFOM, actually noting it looks like acknowledging the learning.
@Cantripmancer: Dagaen claimed PR in his first post. The only possible reason to wagon him would be if we think he's so bad at this game that he'll implicate himself with his claim, which is a wholly unnecessary risk.
I like your thinking re: TK; I didn't see the logical disconnect from "PR or scum" to "scum" the first time around.
Are you saying that Dagaen's poker face is terrible? You don't think he's smart enough to realize that you don't say "HEY! I have a PR!" in your first post?
Also, I assumed you understood the concepts of PoE...
Dagaen: POP QUIZ! What's the best way for a cop to breadcrumb their role?
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She wants a ride on the pony, dude.
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Ah, you misunderstood my response about your last posts. I didn't like them in the larger meta context as "I'm going to be better as mafia." In the smaller context of this game, they read as "I'm not mafia, but now I know what to avoid in the future." That's what I meant when I said "That's not something one up and says as mafia." It's a very town mindset response.
I do the same thing, looking back at error's by the mafia team to try to get better.
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Yea, basing all of my play on a bastard clan game where not even I knew what my alignment was, and no one took seriously (including me), seems really sensible.
First of all, you thought you were an SK, which would make most players act much more similar to their scum game than town game.
Secondly, how about instead of strawmanning and handwaving, you address the points made against you?
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He's focused almost entirely on Dagaen for the entirety of the game thus far, pushed the concept of Dagaen as a power role, and I suspect he's only backing down now because he's gotten what he was after. This last push reeks of "Hey, Dagaen, you cop? No? Ok, I'll move on."
Actually, what I got from Dagaen was quite a bit more intricate and beautiful. It was "Are you dumb enough to claim a PR in your first post like AI claimed?". Surprisingly, he said "No, I'm smart enough to hide my role." But then, in the same breath he goes and shoots down something that would relieve pressure. He could have clammed up, letting AI take up the fight arguing that Dagaen was a PR, and when it came down to the wire, we'd have let him off the hook for it. If he was mafia, he'd have days on end to NK us with impunity. And then it's a simple "Oh, I didn't say I was a PR. I let AI go along with his thought process so the mafia would kill a useless vanilla rather an actual PR." BAM! GAME LOSS! Totally an AtE
But rather, he shoots down the PR breadcrumb theory, leaving it open to discussion on why he might be acting more self-conscious. He could be town PR, he could be mafia, or he could actually be vanilla, but now it's no longer heavily sided toward one option. And 2 out of 3 options are town, so I'll assume that for now.
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For the last time. I did not say I wasn't going to participate. I said there wasn't anything Scummy to comment on. There is a world of difference there.
But rather, he shoots down the PR breadcrumb theory, leaving it open to discussion on why he might be acting more self-conscious. He could be town PR, he could be mafia, or he could actually be vanilla, but now it's no longer heavily sided toward one option. And 2 out of 3 options are town, so I'll assume that for now.
Wow...that's really good reasoning. And it makes complete sense.
That's pretty much the answer I wanted and expected.
Also, I love that you totally just killed AI's argument against my vote on you. The mirth that brings to me is enough to unvote.
Overall, I'm happy with the way things turned out.
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I'm inclined to trust Cantripmancer's initial reaction to this post. It drips with smarmy self-satisfaction that I would expect to see in scum whose fishing expedition yielded a big catch.
For the last time. I did not say I wasn't going to participate. I said there wasn't anything Scummy to comment on. There is a world of difference there.
PTAP before I get a infraction.
The Void I'm used to engages in utterly meaningless debates as his brand of scumhunting. Why are you just sitting on the sidelines waiting for something to bite onto? And seriously, 200 posts into a game and you find -nothing- scummy?
@KK: Your points against me are that I was active lurking and didn't have content, correct?
In the first ~4 days of the game where I didn't post for a length of about 2 days in the middle is considered active lurking?
And regarding content, my posts were straight to the point and slim, but not content-less by any means.
And perhaps the more important overall question: What makes you think these actions come from scumKarn as opposed to townKarn?
And why are you singling me out as opposed to the other lurkers?
It looks to me like you're still a little rump rustled that I called your play bad last game, and/or you just don't like my play in general.
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Yea, I agree with Cantrip's initial reaction to TK's post.
And consequently, I feel better about Dagaen.
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Cantrip's post where he says "Wow, that's really good theory" sounds like sarcasm, but he actually unvotes. I don't like that post at all.
AI for town.
I want to see more from Axelrod.
@Void: Do you see anything scummy yet? Or were you just popping in to say you're about to earn yourself an infraction for no reason and give yourself more time to not comment on anything about the gamestate?
But he did make the right choice in replacing out. My vote wasn't because I thought he was scum, it's because people who do things like that need to be policy lynched (or at the very least threatened with a policy lynch) so people aren't under the impression that it's ok.
When Townies are inactive then scum can also be inactive to blend in and then it's a crap shoot and you are playing the lottery instead of mafia when you lynch an inactive.
I thought initially that Void had a plan. That he was purposefully doing something. Apparently I was wrong.
Sorry, inactivity in mafia is one of my bigggest pet peeves. If you have something going on for a period of time (like my vacation) no big deal. But I expect you to be active before and after it. There is absolutely no situation ever where you should be posting to avoid a prod. If you can post to avoid a prod you can post SOMETHING. the game is on page 9, not page 30. You can read up at least half the game in a sitting easily.
Sure, I can respect that. Sometimes I'm guilty of inactivity myself, but I'll at least try to say something of substance every other day instead of "PTAP."
While we wait to hear from the replacement, let's shift the focus.
Also, assuming it's the same sort of culture here, people who replace out to avoid a lynch are the worst kind of people. Until proven otherwise I generally presume players aren't scummy enough to do that.
As Void basically hammered the rule book down on me last game when I apparently skirted an unwritten rule, I would be shocked if he was skirting a different rule to try to avoid being lynched as scum.
I think someone actually ran the stats and found that over half of players who replace out are scum. I don't recall if there was a time frame (Day One, Day Two, etc.) associated with that stat, but the number was significant.
Hard to look at raw stats and say one way or another. I don't recall if I have ever replaced out before, but you can replace out honorably for reasons other then getting lynched. Didn't Void say in the sign up topic he was in 2 other games or something? Realizing you are in too many games and need to drop one certainly isn't the best scenario, but a respectable replace out. Replacing out was probably the right decision if that was the case.
My opinion of Void would be pretty much permanently lowered if he is scum here and was replacing out to avoid the lynch though. I think it's a culture thing. If people understand that's just not ok, then it isn't as much of an issue in the future.
What makes you think these actions come from scumKarn as opposed to townKarn?
And why are you singling me out as opposed to the other lurkers?
Gut mostly.
I singled you out because you felt like the lurker trying the hardest to blend in and had done something scummy as well.
and/or you just don't like my play in general.
This one. Players who act un-apologetically scummy as town get on my nerves.
Since my read was heavily gut, and it looks like I've at least kick-started you into putting more effort in, I'm going to back off until I get a more concrete read either way.
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But I still want a reply re: You assuming I was talking down to plum rather than scumhunting.
@everyone who's ignored RobRoy's request for a claim of what choice of guild you got: Why?
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
But I still want a reply re: You assuming I was talking down to plum rather than scumhunting.
I don't think you were talking down to him. I just think you were asking a dumb question. You said "Why do you want everyone to know that you disagreed with me?"
Hence why I asked back "Why does anyone ever want anyone else to know anything in Mafia?"
He was giving his opinion, and you didn't question his opinion, but rather why he thought it was relevant to put his opinion in the thread, and I thought that was garbage, so I posted that.
Re: Void - I think it's a null tell he replaced. He clearly was frustrated that that much focus was put on him for something he felt was semantics. Not participating in a meaningful way is scumtells 101 and anyone that has played would know to avoid doing so. Pushing Void so much for it reads as scummy to me as it's opportunistic and such an easy case to make on someone. It's all WIFOM and whatnot of course, but I think it got blown out of proportion and Void stepped out before it took over the Day.
Re: Void - I think it's a null tell he replaced. He clearly was frustrated that that much focus was put on him for something he felt was semantics. Not participating in a meaningful way is scumtells 101 and anyone that has played would know to avoid doing so. Pushing Void so much for it reads as scummy to me as it's opportunistic and such an easy case to make on someone. It's all WIFOM and whatnot of course, but I think it got blown out of proportion and Void stepped out before it took over the Day.
It was hardly the focus of the Day. There are multiple other things going on that are all bigger focuses than Void's
It wasn't even really a problem (except to one or two people), then Void made post 202 and said he was not going to post anymore on it because if he did he would get himself an infraction.
So instead of talking about ANYTHING ELSE in the thread, he just said "PTAP".
Then when confronted about still not talking about ANYTHING in this thread, he just /replaced.
What this means to his alignment: I'm not certain. Void has ragequit as both alignments in the past.
But defending his play and saying anyone pushing it reads as scummy to you, is bad. Void's play was definitely worthy of being pushed, if at the very least to get him to actually post something.
What this means to his alignment: I'm not certain. Void has ragequit as both alignments in the past.
But defending his play and saying anyone pushing it reads as scummy to you, is bad. Void's play was definitely worthy of being pushed, if at the very least to get him to actually post something.
I certainly don't remember you being this oddly paranoid in Star Wars Mafia. Why the change?
Hmm I never considered myself a paranoid, but I think I've pressured fair amount of people during day1 (Rhand, Grizz, UA). Game was over pretty quickly, so later I've lost my interest.
Yes, there you were focused. You had a point, you knew what direction you were going in.
Here, you seem to have regressed. You've become significantly more self-conscious, more backseat, more paranoid (see AI). I'd like to know why the massive behaviour change.
I look at the two post sets and find it hard to believe I'm looking at the same person - and not in a good way.
Re: Void - I think it's a null tell he replaced. He clearly was frustrated that that much focus was put on him for something he felt was semantics. Not participating in a meaningful way is scumtells 101 and anyone that has played would know to avoid doing so. Pushing Void so much for it reads as scummy to me as it's opportunistic and such an easy case to make on someone. It's all WIFOM and whatnot of course, but I think it got blown out of proportion and Void stepped out before it took over the Day.
I can't say specifically why this looks bad.
Maybe because it feels overly-structured, coming from a player who I've seen isn't.
Re: Void: Not a fan. Also not going to attempt to judge why he replaced out.
For the last time. I did not say I wasn't going to participate. I said there wasn't anything Scummy to comment on. There is a world of difference there.
PTAP before I get a infraction.
So, yeah, the idea that this would make me decide to unvote is laughable. I realize he has now jumped ship, but you can consider my vote on the replacement. Sorry, dude. You got a little hole to dig yourself out of.
Re: Void - I think it's a null tell he replaced. He clearly was frustrated that that much focus was put on him for something he felt was semantics. Not participating in a meaningful way is scumtells 101 and anyone that has played would know to avoid doing so. Pushing Void so much for it reads as scummy to me as it's opportunistic and such an easy case to make on someone. It's all WIFOM and whatnot of course, but I think it got blown out of proportion and Void stepped out before it took over the Day.
I think Void had all of 2 votes on him. Two. And most of the discussion has been about other people so far, not Void. Who's blowing what out of proportion here? I also think - and this is more meta - that a Townie bowing out there would have said something else. His (apparent) rage at being called out for doing something he says he wasn't doing would have meritted either (1) more of a rant from an upset Townie or (2) more of an explanation from a non-upset Townie about why he needs to be bowing out there. A scum, on the other hand, who didn't want to deal with the pressure of being scum (a feeling I know well) could and probably would bow out just like that, without saying anything.
@everyone who's ignored RobRoy's request for a claim of what choice of guild you got: Why?
I did not see the relevance of the question. Still don't.
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Actually Axelrod, I would especially like you to answer it
Okay, I got my first choice.
Now, tell me why that matters?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Actually Axelrod, I would especially like you to answer it
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Hello everyone! Glad to be in a game that won't take me three years to catch up on; the old ball and chain isn't a fan of me spending my free time ignoring our children to play mafia. Catching up now, but it will likely only be a skim until the weekend.
Here is my reasoning here. lets see if this list thing works:
Axelrod initially not wishing to claim what choice he got gave me the vibe that he was trying to hide something and was worried that something would go wrong because of what he said. If he were scum and was afraid that at some point later in the game this could tie him into an uncomfortable situation because of a fake claim this would certainly be a possible feeling.
Now scum would be more paranoid here then town. If your favorite guild is Rakdos and you are town and you said you got your pick you would probably think it was possible someone could look through your post history and find out you PROBABLY picked Rakdos but it wouldn't bother you too much. Pretty much no scum team is going to go through that much effort. (I am quite good as scum and I would never bother. Just too lazy)
Now however, suppose you were scum. At some point in the game after you claim it's going to come up why you chose that guild. What do you say? You would have to think of something. Something could go wrong.
There is more stress in claiming first choice as scum. Scum would be worried more could go wrong
(Side corollary: This could also be true if the person was a doctor, and a paranoid person in general, but this mafia nothing is ever absolute I admit that)
Now we are in the future with Axelrod. I press him on it. I tell him I want him to claim his guild. What does he do?
Well lets talk about what a town person who was paranoid would do. If someone was town and they didn't want to claim their guild because they were power or something, what would happen if one random person reiterate they wanted them to claim if they got their first choice? Well a town person who was nicely asked would again probably politely refuse. Town person is hiding their power. They don't want anyone to know it. One dude asking a second time does not change this
Now what about if that person was scum? Well then all of a sudden that scum person starts thinking about what they would do as town. They realize that being abrasive to the first choice or not claim is probably not town like (true) and so they freely admit they got their first choice.
So what just happened here? Axelrod initially answered the request for a first choice or not as most likely town power/ scum. After I pressed him on that he gave a response that was town vanilla/scum. This change in thinking is odd.
I like your thinking re: TK; I didn't see the logical disconnect from "PR or scum" to "scum" the first time around.
Ah, right. But...why does it go away if scarbo's town?
...hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
@Dagaen: I think you've answered this recently, but I didn't see it in your posts this game: what's your mafia experience?
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I've had a bad feeling about Sir Karn since his first post, and he's really cemented it as time went on:
Next post with "content" wherein he calls a post by Dagaen bad without giving a single reason why and calls for more votes like he's actually made a point.
A question that has no purpose other than to sling mud at my scumhunting attempts and defend another player without actually addressing the point at hand.
Here he's assuming the worst about my intentions for no reason, which is, at best, being bad at the game, but could also be a scum move to attempt to discredit me. The more concretely scummy thing is how he reacts to being told he's wrong:
More content-less drivel, and a handwave.
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Just kidding misread his post. Still on the town list
I can't even parse this, but I'm pretty sure it makes no sense.
Explain how Hunger "seems to have an agenda".
Why would you assume that Void was being non-serious with his "I'm not participating" post? If you took his post at face value, explain the read on Axelrod.
I interpreted his statement as notPR.
Yes, I get that.
What does that have to do with supporting a theory you don't understand/don't know how to apply?
I certainly don't remember you being this oddly paranoid in Star Wars Mafia. Why the change?
More content-less drivel, and a handwave.[/spoiler]TL;DR The above are Sir Karn's only posts you could argue have content, and they're pretty sparse, I think its fair to call it active lurking. Add to that, the fact he's sitting on a wagon he's given no concrete reasons for joining, and his scummy exchange with me (everything he's actually done this game) and I think we've got a great candidate for Day 1's lynch.
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Explain how.
I don't like them because they read as "Thanks for giving me tips on being better mafia." With that said, it's not something one up and says as mafia. So the recent posts feel genuine in learning how to not be mafia, and beyond serious WIFOM, actually noting it looks like acknowledging the learning.
Are you saying that Dagaen's poker face is terrible? You don't think he's smart enough to realize that you don't say "HEY! I have a PR!" in your first post?
Also, I assumed you understood the concepts of PoE...
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Also, I love that you totally just killed AI's argument against my vote on you. The mirth that brings to me is enough to unvote.
Overall, I'm happy with the way things turned out.
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Sooooo, AI, how'd you know the wagon on him was bad if he wasn't actually breadcrumbing?
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I do the same thing, looking back at error's by the mafia team to try to get better.
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Secondly, how about instead of strawmanning and handwaving, you address the points made against you?
He's focused almost entirely on Dagaen for the entirety of the game thus far, pushed the concept of Dagaen as a power role, and I suspect he's only backing down now because he's gotten what he was after. This last push reeks of "Hey, Dagaen, you cop? No? Ok, I'll move on."
But rather, he shoots down the PR breadcrumb theory, leaving it open to discussion on why he might be acting more self-conscious. He could be town PR, he could be mafia, or he could actually be vanilla, but now it's no longer heavily sided toward one option. And 2 out of 3 options are town, so I'll assume that for now.
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PTAP before I get a infraction.
Wow...that's really good reasoning. And it makes complete sense.
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Yes.
"Not worth wagoning" and "not worth lynching" are two very different concepts.
This is rich.
I'm inclined to trust Cantripmancer's initial reaction to this post. It drips with smarmy self-satisfaction that I would expect to see in scum whose fishing expedition yielded a big catch.
Are you incapable of processing new information as it comes in or are you just scum?
The Void I'm used to engages in utterly meaningless debates as his brand of scumhunting. Why are you just sitting on the sidelines waiting for something to bite onto? And seriously, 200 posts into a game and you find -nothing- scummy?
In the first ~4 days of the game where I didn't post for a length of about 2 days in the middle is considered active lurking?
And regarding content, my posts were straight to the point and slim, but not content-less by any means.
And perhaps the more important overall question: What makes you think these actions come from scumKarn as opposed to townKarn?
And why are you singling me out as opposed to the other lurkers?
It looks to me like you're still a little rump rustled that I called your play bad last game, and/or you just don't like my play in general.
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Yea, I agree with Cantrip's initial reaction to TK's post.
And consequently, I feel better about Dagaen.
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Cantrip's post where he says "Wow, that's really good theory" sounds like sarcasm, but he actually unvotes. I don't like that post at all.
AI for town.
I want to see more from Axelrod.
@Void: Do you see anything scummy yet? Or were you just popping in to say you're about to earn yourself an infraction for no reason and give yourself more time to not comment on anything about the gamestate?
(A prod is from the mod for inactivity)
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not going to happen buddy. Get in here
Now let me leave the thread before I start participating.."
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But he did make the right choice in replacing out. My vote wasn't because I thought he was scum, it's because people who do things like that need to be policy lynched (or at the very least threatened with a policy lynch) so people aren't under the impression that it's ok.
When Townies are inactive then scum can also be inactive to blend in and then it's a crap shoot and you are playing the lottery instead of mafia when you lynch an inactive.
I thought initially that Void had a plan. That he was purposefully doing something. Apparently I was wrong.
While we wait to hear from the replacement, let's shift the focus.
Unvote
Vote TK-421
As Void basically hammered the rule book down on me last game when I apparently skirted an unwritten rule, I would be shocked if he was skirting a different rule to try to avoid being lynched as scum.
My opinion of Void would be pretty much permanently lowered if he is scum here and was replacing out to avoid the lynch though. I think it's a culture thing. If people understand that's just not ok, then it isn't as much of an issue in the future.
I singled you out because you felt like the lurker trying the hardest to blend in and had done something scummy as well.
This one. Players who act un-apologetically scummy as town get on my nerves.
Since my read was heavily gut, and it looks like I've at least kick-started you into putting more effort in, I'm going to back off until I get a more concrete read either way.
unvote
But I still want a reply re: You assuming I was talking down to plum rather than scumhunting.
@everyone who's ignored RobRoy's request for a claim of what choice of guild you got: Why?
I had done something scummy as well?
Do you think I think I've been acting scummy?
I don't think I have.
I don't think you were talking down to him. I just think you were asking a dumb question. You said "Why do you want everyone to know that you disagreed with me?"
Hence why I asked back "Why does anyone ever want anyone else to know anything in Mafia?"
He was giving his opinion, and you didn't question his opinion, but rather why he thought it was relevant to put his opinion in the thread, and I thought that was garbage, so I posted that.
Oh yea, I got my first choice.
Please welcome LnGrrrR to the game!
I didn't really see any relevance to it so I didn't pay it any mind I guess. I got my first choice for what it's worth.
It was hardly the focus of the Day. There are multiple other things going on that are all bigger focuses than Void's
It wasn't even really a problem (except to one or two people), then Void made post 202 and said he was not going to post anymore on it because if he did he would get himself an infraction.
So instead of talking about ANYTHING ELSE in the thread, he just said "PTAP".
Then when confronted about still not talking about ANYTHING in this thread, he just /replaced.
What this means to his alignment: I'm not certain. Void has ragequit as both alignments in the past.
But defending his play and saying anyone pushing it reads as scummy to you, is bad. Void's play was definitely worthy of being pushed, if at the very least to get him to actually post something.
Yes, there you were focused. You had a point, you knew what direction you were going in.
Here, you seem to have regressed. You've become significantly more self-conscious, more backseat, more paranoid (see AI). I'd like to know why the massive behaviour change.
I look at the two post sets and find it hard to believe I'm looking at the same person - and not in a good way.
I can't say specifically why this looks bad.
Maybe because it feels overly-structured, coming from a player who I've seen isn't.
Re: Void: Not a fan. Also not going to attempt to judge why he replaced out.
So, yeah, the idea that this would make me decide to unvote is laughable. I realize he has now jumped ship, but you can consider my vote on the replacement. Sorry, dude. You got a little hole to dig yourself out of.
I think Void had all of 2 votes on him. Two. And most of the discussion has been about other people so far, not Void. Who's blowing what out of proportion here? I also think - and this is more meta - that a Townie bowing out there would have said something else. His (apparent) rage at being called out for doing something he says he wasn't doing would have meritted either (1) more of a rant from an upset Townie or (2) more of an explanation from a non-upset Townie about why he needs to be bowing out there. A scum, on the other hand, who didn't want to deal with the pressure of being scum (a feeling I know well) could and probably would bow out just like that, without saying anything.
I did not see the relevance of the question. Still don't.
Okay, I got my first choice.
Now, tell me why that matters?
Okay, I got my first choice.
Now, tell me why that matters?
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Vote:Axelrod
Here is my reasoning here. lets see if this list thing works:
Now however, suppose you were scum. At some point in the game after you claim it's going to come up why you chose that guild. What do you say? You would have to think of something. Something could go wrong.
There is more stress in claiming first choice as scum. Scum would be worried more could go wrong
(Side corollary: This could also be true if the person was a doctor, and a paranoid person in general, but this mafia nothing is ever absolute I admit that)
Now what about if that person was scum? Well then all of a sudden that scum person starts thinking about what they would do as town. They realize that being abrasive to the first choice or not claim is probably not town like (true) and so they freely admit they got their first choice.
So what just happened here? Axelrod initially answered the request for a first choice or not as most likely town power/ scum. After I pressed him on that he gave a response that was town vanilla/scum. This change in thinking is odd.
And that is why I am voting him