The point I am making is in previous courtrooms, he is consistently scum reading me (when I am town). Saying this game is not like my other town games 4-5 posts in is pretty weak sauce.
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What? I said, I think that plan could apply here and asked for more opinions. There is nothing passive. The addition of "I do" should have alerted you to that. If I was being passive it would have read "Does anyone think that could apply here." Full stop. Suggesting it and referencing your game for people to take a look at IS pushing it.
No. Your post came off with more of the feeling of "should we" rather than "we should". The latter would have been seen as being more aggressive, while the former felt like you were pulse taking, but ready to bail if the idea should fail, and I don't like how you are trying to push on it, without actually trying to convince people why it is correct.
For instance, I have no issues with keeping the votes private. For the jury, I think we should just cement Iso, Chris and myself. DV is right, there is no way of knowing if one or more of us are scum, or all of us are town. But with a 48 hour window and 19 players in the game, I seriously doubt we will get anything close to a majority, so we just need power on the jury, get through this day, and we will likely have a better idea for tomorrow. Remember, during the "trial phase" you will have a lot more wiggle room to discuss tomorrow's jurors. I strongly suggest they rotate every day, but we just need a solid plan day 1. Trying to deviate from this just to push your own agenda (even if you are town) will just end up playing to the scums advantage (which is how Void ended up on the throne, instead of the other one. I think it was Bur)
The point I am making is in previous courtrooms, he is consistently scum reading me (when I am town). Saying this game is not like my other town games 4-5 posts in is pretty weak sauce.
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What? I said, I think that plan could apply here and asked for more opinions. There is nothing passive. The addition of "I do" should have alerted you to that. If I was being passive it would have read "Does anyone think that could apply here." Full stop. Suggesting it and referencing your game for people to take a look at IS pushing it.
No. Your post came off with more of the feeling of "should we" rather than "we should". The latter would have been seen as being more aggressive, while the former felt like you were pulse taking, but ready to bail if the idea should fail, and I don't like how you are trying to push on it, without actually trying to convince people why it is correct.
I still don't see what you are getting at. Why am I not allowed to suggest a plan and see what other players thing of it? Again, there is nothing passive about me: presenting a plan, saying I'M FOR IT, and then waiting for discussion to ensue. That doesn't suggest passivity by any measure of the word. But, and that's the key word here, I don't see why you think a player is supposed to be aggressive in all cases. I don't feel aggressive on this at all. I'd like us to go in that direction (as I stated) if we don't then perhaps someone else has a plan I'll like better. So you're right in the fact that I'm willing to jump ship. Are you not willing to hear other ideas that might change your mind? I'm not likely to pick you for jury duty if you are going to be hard-headed in your reads.
The point I am making is in previous courtrooms, he is consistently scum reading me (when I am town). Saying this game is not like my other town games 4-5 posts in is pretty weak sauce.
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What? I said, I think that plan could apply here and asked for more opinions. There is nothing passive. The addition of "I do" should have alerted you to that. If I was being passive it would have read "Does anyone think that could apply here." Full stop. Suggesting it and referencing your game for people to take a look at IS pushing it.
No. Your post came off with more of the feeling of "should we" rather than "we should". The latter would have been seen as being more aggressive, while the former felt like you were pulse taking, but ready to bail if the idea should fail, and I don't like how you are trying to push on it, without actually trying to convince people why it is correct.
I still don't see what you are getting at. Why am I not allowed to suggest a plan and see what other players thing of it? Again, there is nothing passive about me: presenting a plan, saying I'M FOR IT, and then waiting for discussion to ensue. That doesn't suggest passivity by any measure of the word. But, and that's the key word here, I don't see why you think a player is supposed to be aggressive in all cases. I don't feel aggressive on this at all. I'd like us to go in that direction (as I stated) if we don't then perhaps someone else has a plan I'll like better. So you're right in the fact that I'm willing to jump ship. Are you not willing to hear other ideas that might change your mind? I'm not likely to pick you for jury duty if you are going to be hard-headed in your reads.
You aren't pushing it horribly hard. You have 48 hours to get your point across, and you seem to be doing a bleh job of it. Look at your posts:
In GJ's previous set-up BoAS we also voted at night for people to be on the seat. In that game town felt it conducive to make it public who we planned to vote for before night so that the information could be matched up later for analysis.
Does anyone thing that could apply here? I do.
Passive, at least to me.
I'm going to have to go back and read. I think it was something like "These x number of people all said they were voting for Y, how did Z get elected?"
Does anyone think it's likely that scum and town could both have night actions to fool around with who gets elected?
Follow up to tom's response. It takes more than that to get the whole town to agree.
I also agree with Tom that it might be better to keep votes in the dark as the game goes on so the scum don't have as much information on how to handle the night. But on the other hand are we going to be able to get through an investigative phase productively with our choices hidden? Seems difficult and interesting to say the least.
You just asked a single player's feedback, and agreed with that.
1). You offered a plan (One I would agree with, mind you), and did very little follow up considering on a best case scenario, we have 72 hours to figure out who is being elected.
2). You came off passive about it. Your tone to me was again, asking if it was a good idea, rather than stating it was a good idea. Yes, the mafia could switch things around, but if they do, it's going to be obvious what group the scum are in. It is in their best interest to follow the town.
3). In my game, Amyrlin Seat, the role's strength itself was as powerful as the solidarity of the town. As long as all the town played the game and voted correctly, the game was heavily town sided. I believe a simliar approach for the jurors will follow suit.
Here is my suggestion if the day ends today:
Votes for Iso:
1. Megiddo
2. Rhand
3. Matowar77
4. D_V
5. DoTArchon
6. Sir Chris
7. Vaimes
Votes for Sir Chris
14. TappingStones
15. Gentleman Johnny
16. Anaklusmos
17. Cyan
18. Iso
19. Wheat_Grinder
If anyone wants Vaimes for my spot because you want to make me a defendant, fine with me. It's set up so that myself or Vaimes can still take the appropriate number of votes. Mafia could switch from the above plan, but I have a gut feeling it wouldn't be in their best interest.
The point I am making is in previous courtrooms, he is consistently scum reading me (when I am town). Saying this game is not like my other town games 4-5 posts in is pretty weak sauce.
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What? I said, I think that plan could apply here and asked for more opinions. There is nothing passive. The addition of "I do" should have alerted you to that. If I was being passive it would have read "Does anyone think that could apply here." Full stop. Suggesting it and referencing your game for people to take a look at IS pushing it.
No. Your post came off with more of the feeling of "should we" rather than "we should". The latter would have been seen as being more aggressive, while the former felt like you were pulse taking, but ready to bail if the idea should fail, and I don't like how you are trying to push on it, without actually trying to convince people why it is correct.
I still don't see what you are getting at. Why am I not allowed to suggest a plan and see what other players thing of it? Again, there is nothing passive about me: presenting a plan, saying I'M FOR IT, and then waiting for discussion to ensue. That doesn't suggest passivity by any measure of the word. But, and that's the key word here, I don't see why you think a player is supposed to be aggressive in all cases. I don't feel aggressive on this at all. I'd like us to go in that direction (as I stated) if we don't then perhaps someone else has a plan I'll like better. So you're right in the fact that I'm willing to jump ship. Are you not willing to hear other ideas that might change your mind? I'm not likely to pick you for jury duty if you are going to be hard-headed in your reads.
You aren't pushing it horribly hard. You have 48 hours to get your point across, and you seem to be doing a bleh job of it. Look at your posts:
In GJ's previous set-up BoAS we also voted at night for people to be on the seat. In that game town felt it conducive to make it public who we planned to vote for before night so that the information could be matched up later for analysis.
Does anyone thing that could apply here? I do.
Passive, at least to me.
I'm going to have to go back and read. I think it was something like "These x number of people all said they were voting for Y, how did Z get elected?"
Does anyone think it's likely that scum and town could both have night actions to fool around with who gets elected?
Follow up to tom's response. It takes more than that to get the whole town to agree.
I also agree with Tom that it might be better to keep votes in the dark as the game goes on so the scum don't have as much information on how to handle the night. But on the other hand are we going to be able to get through an investigative phase productively with our choices hidden? Seems difficult and interesting to say the least.
You just asked a single player's feedback, and agreed with that.
1). You offered a plan (One I would agree with, mind you), and did very little follow up considering on a best case scenario, we have 72 hours to figure out who is being elected.
2). You came off passive about it. Your tone to me was again, asking if it was a good idea, rather than stating it was a good idea. Yes, the mafia could switch things around, but if they do, it's going to be obvious what group the scum are in. It is in their best interest to follow the town.
3). In my game, Amyrlin Seat, the role's strength itself was as powerful as the solidarity of the town. As long as all the town played the game and voted correctly, the game was heavily town sided. I believe a simliar approach for the jurors will follow suit.
Here is my suggestion if the day ends today:
Votes for Iso:
1. Megiddo
2. Rhand
3. Matowar77
4. D_V
5. DoTArchon
6. Sir Chris
7. Vaimes
Votes for Sir Chris
14. TappingStones
15. Gentleman Johnny
16. Anaklusmos
17. Cyan
18. Iso
19. Wheat_Grinder
If anyone wants Vaimes for my spot because you want to make me a defendant, fine with me. It's set up so that myself or Vaimes can still take the appropriate number of votes. Mafia could switch from the above plan, but I have a gut feeling it wouldn't be in their best interest.
Mod: Request 24 hour extension.
I'm not sold on Vaimes to be honest. I've played with him in two games. He just end-gamed the very long Stargate game where he was...fine. I don't recall him making any insane analytical reads unless someone can point them out to me. In Classic he came across as a bit weak and whiny, not terribly effective. Is this one of those things where we just accept someone is good based on performances from several years back?
But sure, I'll vote for SC. I don't see any problem with that, though he's likely more effective helping us pick three defendants.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'm not sold on Vaimes to be honest. I've played with him in two games. He just end-gamed the very long Stargate game where he was...fine. I don't recall him making any insane analytical reads unless someone can point them out to me. In Classic he came across as a bit weak and whiny, not terribly effective. Is this one of those things where we just accept someone is good based on performances from several years back?
I would have whined a lot less if you had just listened to me and lynched Sir Chris. And been less condescending.
But you're right, I'm no analyst. Iso's compliments are nice but I have no idea what they're actually based on.
I'm usually good at clearing myself via behavior, or as we've seen, by interactions with flipped scum. And Citrus is also right, I'm a lot more involved when it comes to QTs because they're fun and I enjoy them.
That's about it. I've never been mislynched on this site out of ~five games so far, which I think is a nice indication of being decent at projecting town or whatever.
@Vaimes: Probably some delusional fabrications my mind has created, if anyone is to be believed about my Mafia theories.
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@GJ: I guess the most important question for me right now is, speaking from a non-analysis standpoint, are you more useful on jury earlier or later in the game?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@GJ: I guess the most important question for me right now is, speaking from a non-analysis standpoint, are you more useful on jury earlier or later in the game?
I actually don't know. Analysis standpoint, I would say later without a second thought. I like smaller groups, so I would say if you want to get a better read on me now, you want me on the jury. If not, go with Vaimes.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Everyone. It's been 48 hours. I realize not everyone will agree with the three, but we need to be unified on this. I don't think the mafia will move from who they are assigned to, but stay put. Even if the mafia move, it still works to our benefit.
Meanwhile, as Phoenix is investigating the crime scene...
The Judge carefully mulled over his stack of papers. There were a bunch of legal documents pertaining to various cases, but he managed to sift through all them and pick the one that he would be presiding over tomorrow - the case of the "Tarot Killer".
While the defendants haven't been arrested yet, the judge knew that the local police force would be finished with their investigation by this evening. He took a look at the three jury members selected to preside over tomorrow's trial...
It is now Night 0. Please send in your jury votes within 24 hours. We will start the Day early if all votes are in before 24 hours are over. Please cease all posting.
Phoenix read over the documents Gumshoe gave him. He noticed that there were three people that were mysteriously killed before the Oldbag case got local media attention. Those three people were Buddy Faith, Oliver Deacon, and Mack Rell. One was a former police detective who was fired for misconduct; one was an employee of the Amano Group, and the final person was a local thug.
"What did these people all have to do with the killer?" Phoenix thought to himself. He started to read the police investigation notes, which were just finished hours prior. On Faith's report, he was killed by a knife stabbing, but Deacon's report stated that he was killed by a gunshot. Rell's report stated that he was killed with a gun with his own fingerprints on it.
"A stabbing and two gunshots," Phoenix muttered out loud. He tried to look for similarities between the three cases, but he found them conveniently circled in red ink near the front. "No witnesses" was the description written, which piqued Phoenix's interest. He quickly flipped to Deacon's report on the "witness" section, which stated: "No witnesses because Deacon went upstairs".
Phoenix was interested since it appeared that all of these victims were constantly in well-populated areas, so it seemed strange for all of them to have been killed out of site. As he was absent-mindedly flipping through Gumshoe's documents looking for more information, he noticed another scribble to the right side near the end:
"phone call"
Phoenix rubbed his chin. Could all of these witnesses be singled out by a phone call? It would make sense, though, how they were pre-occupied and out of site when the killings happened. All of the victims owned cell phones, so maybe the killer called them all by landline?
Finally, Phoenix checked the photos of the report. He saw gruesome photos of the people murdered, but one interesting thing that caught Phoenix's eye were that the tarot cards on each of the victim's bodies were instead part of the minor arcana. The Ace of Cups, Ace of Swords, and Ace of Wands were laid upon each of their bodies respectively. There were close-up pictures of each of the tarot cards.
Phoenix noticed the brand on the lower-right corner of the cards and saw that they were from a cheap paperstock company that populated Tokyo Los Angeles's bookstores. These cards were from the same deck. This was the last piece of information that Phoenix needed to start investigating the scene.
Phoenix went up to Gumshoe. "What's up, pal?" Gumshoe inquired.
"Thank you for those documents, detective," Phoenix responded. "I took a close look at that information you provided me and I think I figured out a key piece of evidence that may help the investigation."
"Huh? What's that?"
Phoenix cleared his throat.
"The Tarot Killer isn't one killer. There are multiple people behind this."
It is now Investigation 1. With 16 on the case, it takes 9 votes to arrest someone and make them a defendant.
The deadline is in two weeks, on Wednesday, March 30th. More information on deadlines will be available in the OP shortly.
Sir Chris, Iso, and DoTArchon have been nominated to be on the jury. They may not post in the thread until Trial 1 begins.
His question-filled analytical-style post is so radically different from what I saw in Stargate that I feel reasonably certain he's pulling a Proph and trying to appear engaged by asking superficislly-relevant questions that go nowhere.
His continued fishing of D_V's role is awful. D_V is now the towniest person in this game, and DoTA the scummiest.
In fact the way he asked D_V but ignored Anaklusmos in regards to "Do you think your opposite could be scum?" is downright vile.
Megiddo's #164 where he talks about nominating scumreads to the jury is brilliant. When I have the ability to give items to people, I try to give them to people I think are scum, because they'll try their best to misuse the items (or else they'll be stuck clearing people), which makes it so easy to catch them. Strong townread on Megs for suggesting that.
Citric's #172 gives way too much information for him to have come up with those choices for those reasons, as scum. Citric is a townread.
Also of note, Tom isn't blathering like an idiot this game. Perhaps that means he's finally town?
DoTA's #178 is so scummy. Just look at that question to Citric. Good god.
Re: TS's #182: Yes, we do want to put scumreads up to bat. Better to do it early where they'll show their true colors. We have more margin for error in the early game, and thus it's perfectly fine to hand a bone to the scum if they're going to hand us two in return.
Iso's #205 comes off naturally enough to be a point in his favor. Still waiting for a genuine towntell or scumtell here.
Oh, it's Night 0 already. Matowar, Kayo, and Ghosting have left no impression on me.
Also of note, Tom isn't blathering like an idiot this game.
thats what you think. because it never occurred to me to purposefully elect someone i think is scummy.
apparently megs even posted about it and i just missed it.
there was still no world in which i even considered following the iso/johnny plan.
I was kind of half hoping townies would realize it is better to be unified than voting their own choice and let the scum deviate, but that is neither here nor there. Like, remember Amyrlin Seat? Seppel should have put 2 and 2 together that getting 0 votes to night lynch the Seat probably meant it was a scum on the throne. Alternatively, him getting 2+x votes probably equaled townie Amyrlin. I feel the same here. Even if there were detractors from Chris's Iso's wagon, enough stayed to give them the majority. More than two had to leave mine to knock off my majority, but not upset Chris/Iso. I....am wondering if there is an opportunity to crush, but at the same time....I don't know.
@tom: Why did you think voting for Anak was a good idea?
@Seppel: Why did you think voting for dota was a good idea?
I was kind of half hoping townies would realize it is better to be unified than voting their own choice and let the scum deviate, but that is neither here nor there. Like, remember Amyrlin Seat? Seppel should have put 2 and 2 together that getting 0 votes to night lynch the Seat probably meant it was a scum on the throne. Alternatively, him getting 2+x votes probably equaled townie Amyrlin. I feel the same here. Even if there were detractors from Chris's Iso's wagon, enough stayed to give them the majority. More than two had to leave mine to knock off my majority, but not upset Chris/Iso. I....am wondering if there is an opportunity to crush, but at the same time....I don't know.
@tom: Why did you think voting for Anak was a good idea?
@Seppel: Why did you think voting for dota was a good idea?
>implying that only scum would deviate
>implying that people only deviated from you and not from others as well
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Can we have Megiddo removed from the forum forever please?
i'm pretty sure i can find your ***** online within 3 minutes
Why did you think town splitting was a smart idea, or do you not think the 4-5 scum would likely go for the same target?
>implying that people only deviated from you and not from others as well
It's possible that people deviated from the other two, but it is more likely than most people deviated from me, and with at least 2 confirmed deviated from me, and enough stayed on Chris/Iso where they were still 2 of the top 3.
The other issue with townies deviating is just as you all proved: you didn't even deviate for the same person. We created chaos.
Might as well line up thing. Who else voted for someone other than their listed target?
I just lost the interest in role playing. It's hard to do when your character was around for maybe, 3 episodes and an abridged series. Bleh.....
You are so scum.
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Tom is town
DotArchon is town
TappingStones is scum. I feel like CitricBase believed his link between Vaimes/Iso even though it's kinda dumb, but I don't believe TappingStones does - he's pushing the wagon because it's there I feel like.
I don't like vaimes last post I also don't like that he has the same post count as me and before I went to go reread his posts I would have said he had post maybe 2 or 3 times. Efficiently said nothing this game, also indicated Wheatgrinder votes and now says he voted for Iso.
I was kind of half hoping townies would realize it is better to be unified than voting their own choice and let the scum deviate, but that is neither here nor there. Like, remember Amyrlin Seat? Seppel should have put 2 and 2 together that getting 0 votes to night lynch the Seat probably meant it was a scum on the throne. Alternatively, him getting 2+x votes probably equaled townie Amyrlin. I feel the same here. Even if there were detractors from Chris's Iso's wagon, enough stayed to give them the majority. More than two had to leave mine to knock off my majority, but not upset Chris/Iso. I....am wondering if there is an opportunity to crush, but at the same time....I don't know.
@tom: Why did you think voting for Anak was a good idea?
@Seppel: Why did you think voting for dota was a good idea?
If Megs hadn't posted the reasoning, I would have.
There's two big difference between this game and Amyrlin Seat: We can't elect to depose the jury. And we get a QT full of information.
Take a look at the Big Red Button arc from Inheritance Mafia (somewhere around 1000-2000 posts in). It's exactly like this situation, and it's very powerful that we can lock three people in a room and see what they do.
I don't like vaimes last post I also don't like that he has the same post count as me and before I went to go reread his posts I would have said he had post maybe 2 or 3 times. Efficiently said nothing this game, also indicated Wheatgrinder votes and now says he voted for Iso.
Vote Vaimes
uh, okay, hi there double standard
also you're criticizing me for not voting for my original target when like, so far everyone who's posted deviated
I don't like vaimes last post I also don't like that he has the same post count as me and before I went to go reread his posts I would have said he had post maybe 2 or 3 times. Efficiently said nothing this game, also indicated Wheatgrinder votes and now says he voted for Iso.
Vote Vaimes
uh, okay, hi there double standard
also you're criticizing me for not voting for my original target when like, so far everyone who's posted deviated
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You said you followed the plan when you said you were going to deviate before.
Why?
And the point about the post count is that I would have said you had posted very little, and you had posted the same amount as me, which is actually a lot this game, but you haven't posted anything of merit.
I followed the plan...someone posted. I think it was GJ, where he just split the player list into three. I never said anything about deviating before toDay, just that I'd vote for someone I liked/WG. I changed my mind slash forgot I was going to vote for Wheat Grinder once I saw GJ's big post
fair enough on the content, the Introduction phase made me lazy. give Actual!Daystart a chance to happen and we'll see what happens then
Also, you all suck. Can I be on the jury tomorrow to get the ability I outed myself as having, so I can actually be useful? Again, I can/will claim it if I have to. Thanks Tom for trying at least.
@WG Anything in particular lead you to those reads?
Like Seppel and Megs for town myself. Looking at deviating from the plan as something town would do strikes me as putting themselves out there, whereas scum would be more likely to go along with it to appease the masses.
I was kind of half hoping townies would realize it is better to be unified than voting their own choice and let the scum deviate, but that is neither here nor there.
trying to plan it out like you did is easily the best way to let scum manipulate the results, as i stated yesterDay:
the thing with one juror vote per person is that the scum have much more control over jurors than we do by being able to coordinate votes.
i understand trying to wrest control from them by being public, but they just get to add that information to what they already have and rig it even further.
i do like the information gained from knowing who voted who, but would much rather claim it AFTER the vote, preferably each players' first post of the investigation phase.
what part of that gave you the impression i would even consider going along with your well-intentioned but ultimately foolish plan?
and it only becomes sillier when scum have a NK to further foil any plans yall might come up with.
as for anak, i thought he was genuine and jury powers seem cool.
If Megs hadn't posted the reasoning, I would have.
There's two big difference between this game and Amyrlin Seat: We can't elect to depose the jury. And we get a QT full of information.
Take a look at the Big Red Button arc from Inheritance Mafia (somewhere around 1000-2000 posts in). It's exactly like this situation, and it's very powerful that we can lock three people in a room and see what they do.
So, you would rather vote randomly, and not have anyone accountable? Can I assume you will want the rest of the days to play out like this?
I thought about that on the way home from work today. Eh. He'll be the D2 lynch. It's not like we can't find another scum.
So you not only deviated from the plan to play at your own device, but you also chose to life someone you thought as scum to an unlynchable spot, when your own logic was that unlike my game, there is no option depose.
No. Your post came off with more of the feeling of "should we" rather than "we should". The latter would have been seen as being more aggressive, while the former felt like you were pulse taking, but ready to bail if the idea should fail, and I don't like how you are trying to push on it, without actually trying to convince people why it is correct.
For instance, I have no issues with keeping the votes private. For the jury, I think we should just cement Iso, Chris and myself. DV is right, there is no way of knowing if one or more of us are scum, or all of us are town. But with a 48 hour window and 19 players in the game, I seriously doubt we will get anything close to a majority, so we just need power on the jury, get through this day, and we will likely have a better idea for tomorrow. Remember, during the "trial phase" you will have a lot more wiggle room to discuss tomorrow's jurors. I strongly suggest they rotate every day, but we just need a solid plan day 1. Trying to deviate from this just to push your own agenda (even if you are town) will just end up playing to the scums advantage (which is how Void ended up on the throne, instead of the other one. I think it was Bur)
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I just lost the interest in role playing. It's hard to do when your character was around for maybe, 3 episodes and an abridged series. Bleh.....
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I still don't see what you are getting at. Why am I not allowed to suggest a plan and see what other players thing of it? Again, there is nothing passive about me: presenting a plan, saying I'M FOR IT, and then waiting for discussion to ensue. That doesn't suggest passivity by any measure of the word. But, and that's the key word here, I don't see why you think a player is supposed to be aggressive in all cases. I don't feel aggressive on this at all. I'd like us to go in that direction (as I stated) if we don't then perhaps someone else has a plan I'll like better. So you're right in the fact that I'm willing to jump ship. Are you not willing to hear other ideas that might change your mind? I'm not likely to pick you for jury duty if you are going to be hard-headed in your reads.
You aren't pushing it horribly hard. You have 48 hours to get your point across, and you seem to be doing a bleh job of it. Look at your posts:
Passive, at least to me.
Follow up to tom's response. It takes more than that to get the whole town to agree.
You just asked a single player's feedback, and agreed with that.
1). You offered a plan (One I would agree with, mind you), and did very little follow up considering on a best case scenario, we have 72 hours to figure out who is being elected.
2). You came off passive about it. Your tone to me was again, asking if it was a good idea, rather than stating it was a good idea. Yes, the mafia could switch things around, but if they do, it's going to be obvious what group the scum are in. It is in their best interest to follow the town.
3). In my game, Amyrlin Seat, the role's strength itself was as powerful as the solidarity of the town. As long as all the town played the game and voted correctly, the game was heavily town sided. I believe a simliar approach for the jurors will follow suit.
Here is my suggestion if the day ends today:
Votes for Iso:
1. Megiddo
2. Rhand
3. Matowar77
4. D_V
5. DoTArchon
6. Sir Chris
7. Vaimes
Votes for Gentleman Johnn
8. Kayo115
9. tomsloger
10. Ghosting
11. CitricBase
12. KoolKoal
13. Seppel
Votes for Sir Chris
14. TappingStones
15. Gentleman Johnny
16. Anaklusmos
17. Cyan
18. Iso
19. Wheat_Grinder
If anyone wants Vaimes for my spot because you want to make me a defendant, fine with me. It's set up so that myself or Vaimes can still take the appropriate number of votes. Mafia could switch from the above plan, but I have a gut feeling it wouldn't be in their best interest.
Mod: Request 24 hour extension.
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... fracker.
ok apparently my phone just doesn't like the word Tracker.
on a side note I nominate Dota for D1 jury.
Because I would have done the exact same thing as town. The only difference was that I knew exactly what I would do if my plan went through.
If you want to switch the names around, go nuts. Just make sure the jury votes are voting themselves. The order doens't matter, I was just lazy.
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I'm not sold on Vaimes to be honest. I've played with him in two games. He just end-gamed the very long Stargate game where he was...fine. I don't recall him making any insane analytical reads unless someone can point them out to me. In Classic he came across as a bit weak and whiny, not terribly effective. Is this one of those things where we just accept someone is good based on performances from several years back?
But sure, I'll vote for SC. I don't see any problem with that, though he's likely more effective helping us pick three defendants.
Sooo you're not town? Or is this referring to what you did in Tracker?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Night will start in ~30 minutes.
Iso, rapid fire, what do you think of my plan and list for votes, and what do you need to know from me?
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@Kayo: Hi! Do you have anything to contribute to this stage of the game?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I would have whined a lot less if you had just listened to me and lynched Sir Chris. And been less condescending.
But you're right, I'm no analyst. Iso's compliments are nice but I have no idea what they're actually based on.
That's about it. I've never been mislynched on this site out of ~five games so far, which I think is a nice indication of being decent at projecting town or whatever.
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@GJ: I guess the most important question for me right now is, speaking from a non-analysis standpoint, are you more useful on jury earlier or later in the game?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@Mods: I forget if you state this in the OP, but does a jury have to come to a unanimous decision or does majority work when there are 3?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I actually don't know. Analysis standpoint, I would say later without a second thought. I like smaller groups, so I would say if you want to get a better read on me now, you want me on the jury. If not, go with Vaimes.
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#hevaguelyknowswhathe'sdoing
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Everyone. It's been 48 hours. I realize not everyone will agree with the three, but we need to be unified on this. I don't think the mafia will move from who they are assigned to, but stay put. Even if the mafia move, it still works to our benefit.
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The Judge carefully mulled over his stack of papers. There were a bunch of legal documents pertaining to various cases, but he managed to sift through all them and pick the one that he would be presiding over tomorrow - the case of the "Tarot Killer".
While the defendants haven't been arrested yet, the judge knew that the local police force would be finished with their investigation by this evening. He took a look at the three jury members selected to preside over tomorrow's trial...
It is now Night 0. Please send in your jury votes within 24 hours. We will start the Day early if all votes are in before 24 hours are over. Please cease all posting.
Phoenix read over the documents Gumshoe gave him. He noticed that there were three people that were mysteriously killed before the Oldbag case got local media attention. Those three people were Buddy Faith, Oliver Deacon, and Mack Rell. One was a former police detective who was fired for misconduct; one was an employee of the Amano Group, and the final person was a local thug.
"What did these people all have to do with the killer?" Phoenix thought to himself. He started to read the police investigation notes, which were just finished hours prior. On Faith's report, he was killed by a knife stabbing, but Deacon's report stated that he was killed by a gunshot. Rell's report stated that he was killed with a gun with his own fingerprints on it.
"A stabbing and two gunshots," Phoenix muttered out loud. He tried to look for similarities between the three cases, but he found them conveniently circled in red ink near the front. "No witnesses" was the description written, which piqued Phoenix's interest. He quickly flipped to Deacon's report on the "witness" section, which stated: "No witnesses because Deacon went upstairs".
Phoenix was interested since it appeared that all of these victims were constantly in well-populated areas, so it seemed strange for all of them to have been killed out of site. As he was absent-mindedly flipping through Gumshoe's documents looking for more information, he noticed another scribble to the right side near the end:
Phoenix rubbed his chin. Could all of these witnesses be singled out by a phone call? It would make sense, though, how they were pre-occupied and out of site when the killings happened. All of the victims owned cell phones, so maybe the killer called them all by landline?
Finally, Phoenix checked the photos of the report. He saw gruesome photos of the people murdered, but one interesting thing that caught Phoenix's eye were that the tarot cards on each of the victim's bodies were instead part of the minor arcana. The Ace of Cups, Ace of Swords, and Ace of Wands were laid upon each of their bodies respectively. There were close-up pictures of each of the tarot cards.
Phoenix noticed the brand on the lower-right corner of the cards and saw that they were from a cheap paperstock company that populated
TokyoLos Angeles's bookstores. These cards were from the same deck. This was the last piece of information that Phoenix needed to start investigating the scene.Phoenix went up to Gumshoe. "What's up, pal?" Gumshoe inquired.
"Thank you for those documents, detective," Phoenix responded. "I took a close look at that information you provided me and I think I figured out a key piece of evidence that may help the investigation."
"Huh? What's that?"
Phoenix cleared his throat.
"The Tarot Killer isn't one killer. There are multiple people behind this."
It is now Investigation 1. With 16 on the case, it takes 9 votes to arrest someone and make them a defendant.
The deadline is in two weeks, on Wednesday, March 30th. More information on deadlines will be available in the OP shortly.
Sir Chris, Iso, and DoTArchon have been nominated to be on the jury. They may not post in the thread until Trial 1 begins.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
His question-filled analytical-style post is so radically different from what I saw in Stargate that I feel reasonably certain he's pulling a Proph and trying to appear engaged by asking superficislly-relevant questions that go nowhere.
His continued fishing of D_V's role is awful. D_V is now the towniest person in this game, and DoTA the scummiest.
In fact the way he asked D_V but ignored Anaklusmos in regards to "Do you think your opposite could be scum?" is downright vile.
Megiddo's #164 where he talks about nominating scumreads to the jury is brilliant. When I have the ability to give items to people, I try to give them to people I think are scum, because they'll try their best to misuse the items (or else they'll be stuck clearing people), which makes it so easy to catch them. Strong townread on Megs for suggesting that.
Citric's #172 gives way too much information for him to have come up with those choices for those reasons, as scum. Citric is a townread.
Also of note, Tom isn't blathering like an idiot this game. Perhaps that means he's finally town?
DoTA's #178 is so scummy. Just look at that question to Citric. Good god.
Re: TS's #182: Yes, we do want to put scumreads up to bat. Better to do it early where they'll show their true colors. We have more margin for error in the early game, and thus it's perfectly fine to hand a bone to the scum if they're going to hand us two in return.
Iso's #205 comes off naturally enough to be a point in his favor. Still waiting for a genuine towntell or scumtell here.
Oh, it's Night 0 already. Matowar, Kayo, and Ghosting have left no impression on me.
i voted for anak.
apparently megs even posted about it and i just missed it.
there was still no world in which i even considered following the iso/johnny plan.
@tom: Why did you think voting for Anak was a good idea?
@Seppel: Why did you think voting for dota was a good idea?
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I voted for TS if it matters.
>implying that people only deviated from you and not from others as well
It's possible that people deviated from the other two, but it is more likely than most people deviated from me, and with at least 2 confirmed deviated from me, and enough stayed on Chris/Iso where they were still 2 of the top 3.
The other issue with townies deviating is just as you all proved: you didn't even deviate for the same person. We created chaos.
Might as well line up thing. Who else voted for someone other than their listed target?
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I deviated
I didn't come to the thread yesterday (I was curling and then went pretty much straight to bed) so didn't vote at all.
You are so scum.
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Tom is town
DotArchon is town
TappingStones is scum. I feel like CitricBase believed his link between Vaimes/Iso even though it's kinda dumb, but I don't believe TappingStones does - he's pushing the wagon because it's there I feel like.
I voted for Iso because I'm a good little boy
Best case, NA. I don't suppose you want to take it to the defendant's booth with me?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Vote Vaimes
Though Johnny is pinging my scumdar. I thought about that on the way home from work today. Eh. He'll be the D2 lynch. It's not like we can't find another scum.
If Megs hadn't posted the reasoning, I would have.
There's two big difference between this game and Amyrlin Seat: We can't elect to depose the jury. And we get a QT full of information.
Take a look at the Big Red Button arc from Inheritance Mafia (somewhere around 1000-2000 posts in). It's exactly like this situation, and it's very powerful that we can lock three people in a room and see what they do.
uh, okay, hi there double standard
also you're criticizing me for not voting for my original target when like, so far everyone who's posted deviated
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You said you followed the plan when you said you were going to deviate before.
Why?
And the point about the post count is that I would have said you had posted very little, and you had posted the same amount as me, which is actually a lot this game, but you haven't posted anything of merit.
fair enough on the content, the Introduction phase made me lazy. give Actual!Daystart a chance to happen and we'll see what happens then
Also, you all suck. Can I be on the jury tomorrow to get the ability I outed myself as having, so I can actually be useful? Again, I can/will claim it if I have to. Thanks Tom for trying at least.
@WG Anything in particular lead you to those reads?
Like Seppel and Megs for town myself. Looking at deviating from the plan as something town would do strikes me as putting themselves out there, whereas scum would be more likely to go along with it to appease the masses.
and it only becomes sillier when scum have a NK to further foil any plans yall might come up with.
as for anak, i thought he was genuine and jury powers seem cool.
So, you would rather vote randomly, and not have anyone accountable? Can I assume you will want the rest of the days to play out like this?
So you not only deviated from the plan to play at your own device, but you also chose to life someone you thought as scum to an unlynchable spot, when your own logic was that unlike my game, there is no option depose.
Vote Seppel
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