I can kill Brinatoo tonight if you guys would like.
So I guess that alternate win-con actually was a lie
I'm both frustrated and disappointed that Atog will hop in like this calling my claim fake when I breadcrumbed it long ago. I have no words for that last ditch effort.
Another thing- if Ghosting shoots one of us, he can't pass the laptop.... So him essentially asking for lynch immunity tomorrow is an effort to have us forget that.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Atogaholic walked down the streets of St. Petersburg.
"When did we put all these mines in the road? Weird."
Suddenly, a tank came flying around the corner and ran him over!
Nobody mourned his loss, except for the person controlling James Bond, who had to restart the mission due to too many civilian casualties - a minor annoyance, at worst. They got over it pretty quickly.
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Atogaholic has been lynched. He was Civilian A, Town Vanilla.
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It is now Night 3. Night actions are due within 72 hours of this post.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
You were never sure. Your game of cat and mouse had been going on for years. He's the only man you truly ever loved, yet...you could not allow him to be yours until he retired. No; there's no way you could risk losing him, or having him be with another woman for the sake of international espionage. That's not how this works.
So, when Janus contacted you, you knew you had a golden opportunity - one to force James into retirement from trauma at his old partner betraying him.
This was your shot.
But first, MI6 needed some cleaning up. M was already dead. The others needed to go, too. James couldn't have homeland support for this mission.
You crept around headquarters, gun in hand, alarm blinking in the background, the sign of a national security issue within the establishment.
You turn the corner and raise your pistol, but you're too slow. A gun rips through the air and silences your breathing. You fall to the ground.
"James..."
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Huntzilla has been killed. He was Miss Moneypenny, Mafia Goon.
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It is now Day 4. With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
What do you gentlemen think? Brinatoo's hammer didn't work on Atog. I need to go back through Hunt's interactions though. I'll jump on that tonight when I get home.
Man I wish I would have tried harder to push my Hunt read.
I also watched him last Night and he targeted Blos, so that clears Blos 100% in my eyes. Unless Hunt had some sort of protection item that he was trying to pass to Blos? But if someone can claim protection of Blos that should eliminate the possibility. Unfortunately the watcher item I had is lost on Hunt's corpse now unless someone can pick it up. NAG can confirm I had it. I didn't watch Brinatoo because I thought Ghosting was going to kill him.
@Silver - How do you know there is another? Couldn't it just be that we need to kill Ghosting to win?
Man, I am not doing well with my medium strength townreads.
Still working out great though.
No sense in hiding it from everyone else since the (I assume) last scum knows approximately what happened.
My item killed huntzilla. This should absolutely confirm me, bloscovi, and silver. For not only setting that up very carefully but for knowing how to avoid it.
Agreed? Good.
Ghosting is SK.
TCM is neutral.
Seppel
Brinatoo
Hunger
Prophylaxis
Let's start with a full claim from brinatoo. We can talk until that happens, but keep it light.
Then I would like a full claim from hunger, including how he used businessman's item.
Then prophylaxis.
Then seppel can tell us that last little bit of info he probably left out.
Any dissenting opinions?
No?
Good.
Private Mod Note
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Curiosity killed the cat. But for awhile, I was a suspect.
There is no way I am getting lynched. Read Hunt/me interactions. Also, I would have had no reason to confirm a Blos target before your reveal as Hunt's scumbuddy.
We still need to deal with Ghosting too, and it's possible there are no scum left. Why is everyone certain there are four?
Hunger, is there a reason you didn't pass the body armor to someone else after you soft claimed it? You were approximately never getting shot by scum, given the soft claim + being in the PoE.
Hunger, is there a reason you didn't pass the body armor to someone else after you soft claimed it? You were approximately never getting shot by scum, given the soft claim + being in the PoE.
I had suspicion of everyone and my strongest town reads since then have been Silver and you and you were both very likely NK targets. If I passed it to you on the Night you got killed it would go to waste or worse Ghosting could pick it up.
I feel confident in my ability as town to not be lynched and keeping it with myself made me impossible for scum to take down. I felt like I could win a late game vs. scum under those circumstances.
EBWOP: Oh, also last Night I had the watcher item and didn't want to pass that instead especially while I had NK protection and could share the results.
You watched Huntzilla last Night and saw him target Bloscovi?
Yes
Fullclaim: I am Xenia Onatopp, Vanilla Town. I have Body Armor that prevents killing abilities.
Unless you're mixing up terminology, what you are describing is tracking. Watching means targeting someone and seeing all players who targeted that player.
I really like your posts in the past few minutes, so I don't think you're the last scum.
Vote Ghosting
Kind of want to clear the SK Today, and then gamble on the 40% chance or so we just automatically win.
I have no idea what to make of Iso's design process, and I got bitten hard about this in Iji, but I am struggling to see four mafia, two survivors that can win with scum, and a SK. That's like, 7 potential anti town in a game of 16.
I really like your posts in the past few minutes, so I don't think you're the last scum.
Vote Ghosting
Kind of want to clear the SK Today, and then gamble on the 40% chance or so we just automatically win.
I have no idea what to make of Iso's design process, and I got bitten hard about this in Iji, but I am struggling to see four mafia, two survivors that can win with scum, and a SK. That's like, 7 potential anti town in a game of 16.
This is where I'm at.
We also had 2 guns in the game. We could have had 8 bodies by D3 I think.
Without claiming one of the items I still have, it'd be a pretty good idea to pass me the body armor tonight, if lynching Ghosting doesn't end the game. I won't die, so it's not a concern.
(Being Q is pretty awesome this game, I got a whole chest full of toys to play with)
This is where I'm at. I think we're probably looking at 4 scum, because reasons.
Bloscovi is me, and I am town. I was responsible for Huntzilla dying last night. I bus hard, but not that hard. Plus, I started the game with multiple obviously town sided items.
SilverCrys is town. I don't want to explain some of the mechanical side of why I think he's town, but behaviorally he has been high effort, consistent, and driven.
NotAGimmick is town. Or at least not mafia. His reads have been a little questionable (see: Huntzilla, Matowar), but Kraj attacked him in a very strange manner, and he was indirectly responsible for Huntzilla's death via passing me an item that scum will never pass me, in particular. Because it means keeping me alive all game.
Prophylaxis is probably town. I don't think he is ever scum with Matowar, and he had some weird interactions with Huntzilla as well. On top of that, his early game was super town, and the way he's interacted with me and had no fear of me means he's just...very likely to be town. He will be self-resolving anyways due to one of my items, so don't worry about scum!Proph at all.
Seppel is probbbbably town. I still hate how he handled the unlynchable item day one. But being suboptimal mechanically is not necessarily a scum tell for Seppel, so, eh. I don't think he's scum with Huntzilla, and I don't think he's scum with Matowar. The Seppel/Hunt interactions in particular were really strange - he was scum reading Hunt for being reasonable and competent, and then forgot his read on him calling him probably town with excessive question marks. I don't think he handles a buddy that way. I'm just reluctant to call weird play out of Seppel's scum range, so he's not lock town. Just pretty likely.
Hunger is probbbbbbbbbably town. He makes a lot of sense as scum from a setup design standpoint, given how much killing power is floating around, as well as <redacted>. But tracking Hunt alleviates a lot of that, and he's been eminently reasonable and thoughtful most of the game. Which is a Hunger tell more than a Town tell, admittedly. If Ghosting and Brinatoo don't end the game, I'd probably look here closer, but for now, he's likely to be town.
Ghosting is our friendly neighborhood serial killer.
GentlemanJohnny is probably not mafia. Claiming survivor when he did, and gambling that there's not another survivor in the setup as a scum lover would be all kinds of ballsy. Mindset meshes with neutral as well.
Brinatoo is probbbably scum. There's been a lot I haven't liked from him behaviorally, from the way he opportunistically jumped on Silver, to soft defending Matowar, to lacking any kind of drive or energy to solve the game, to overly focused on his weak item/mechanic. But I mean, more than all of that it's just PoE. He's scum because no one else is reasonably likely to be.
Fyi I never planned to kill anyone last night, just wanted to throw off scum.
Blosc now has the laptop, it'd be super nice of town to let me live and fulfill my wincon since I could've just kept that laptop and backed it with Silver and Blosc both saying I could kill someone, and I just need one more night.
Brin is likely our last scum unless he has an explanation for yesterday.
Not really comfortable with anyone pushing the notion that lynching me is more ideal than lynching scum either. Looks like scum hoping for another night to kill, by going for the easy lynch that doesn't risk scum dying.
Figure things out, but just don't shoot Silver, myself, Proph, a lover, or Hunger (since BP claim).
I'm both frustrated and disappointed that Atog will hop in like this calling my claim fake when I breadcrumbed it long ago. I have no words for that last ditch effort.
Another thing- if Ghosting shoots one of us, he can't pass the laptop.... So him essentially asking for lynch immunity tomorrow is an effort to have us forget that.
Brinatoo (2): not_a_gimmick, Atogaholic
Ghosting (2): Gentleman Johnny, Seppel
Atogaholic (5): Silvercrys3467, Bloscovi, Ghosting, Huntzilla, Brinatoo (L-0)
That is a lynch.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
"When did we put all these mines in the road? Weird."
Suddenly, a tank came flying around the corner and ran him over!
Nobody mourned his loss, except for the person controlling James Bond, who had to restart the mission due to too many civilian casualties - a minor annoyance, at worst. They got over it pretty quickly.
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Atogaholic has been lynched. He was Civilian A, Town Vanilla.
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It is now Night 3. Night actions are due within 72 hours of this post.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Always just out of your reach.
Or were you just out of his?
You were never sure. Your game of cat and mouse had been going on for years. He's the only man you truly ever loved, yet...you could not allow him to be yours until he retired. No; there's no way you could risk losing him, or having him be with another woman for the sake of international espionage. That's not how this works.
So, when Janus contacted you, you knew you had a golden opportunity - one to force James into retirement from trauma at his old partner betraying him.
This was your shot.
But first, MI6 needed some cleaning up. M was already dead. The others needed to go, too. James couldn't have homeland support for this mission.
You crept around headquarters, gun in hand, alarm blinking in the background, the sign of a national security issue within the establishment.
You turn the corner and raise your pistol, but you're too slow. A gun rips through the air and silences your breathing. You fall to the ground.
"James..."
-
Huntzilla has been killed. He was Miss Moneypenny, Mafia Goon.
-
It is now Day 4. With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
What do you gentlemen think? Brinatoo's hammer didn't work on Atog. I need to go back through Hunt's interactions though. I'll jump on that tonight when I get home.
So is there a fourth mafia, or do we just lynch the SK and win?
I also watched him last Night and he targeted Blos, so that clears Blos 100% in my eyes. Unless Hunt had some sort of protection item that he was trying to pass to Blos? But if someone can claim protection of Blos that should eliminate the possibility. Unfortunately the watcher item I had is lost on Hunt's corpse now unless someone can pick it up. NAG can confirm I had it. I didn't watch Brinatoo because I thought Ghosting was going to kill him.
@Silver - How do you know there is another? Couldn't it just be that we need to kill Ghosting to win?
Still working out great though.
No sense in hiding it from everyone else since the (I assume) last scum knows approximately what happened.
My item killed huntzilla. This should absolutely confirm me, bloscovi, and silver. For not only setting that up very carefully but for knowing how to avoid it.
Agreed? Good.
Ghosting is SK.
TCM is neutral.
Seppel
Brinatoo
Hunger
Prophylaxis
Let's start with a full claim from brinatoo. We can talk until that happens, but keep it light.
Then I would like a full claim from hunger, including how he used businessman's item.
Then prophylaxis.
Then seppel can tell us that last little bit of info he probably left out.
Any dissenting opinions?
No?
Good.
Vote brinatoo
What do you have for us?
You watched Huntzilla last Night and saw him target Bloscovi?
Fullclaim: I am Xenia Onatopp, Vanilla Town. I have Body Armor that prevents killing abilities.
NAG passed me the item N1, so he's pretty clear, mechanically.
(Asking you to make a case for Town Matowar and Town Hunt because I couldn't really see it is kind of funny, now, though)
Ok.
*waits for brinatoo*
Pass me the thing I passed you last night back, tonight. Keep the other item I passed you permanently.
There is no way I am getting lynched. Read Hunt/me interactions. Also, I would have had no reason to confirm a Blos target before your reveal as Hunt's scumbuddy.
We still need to deal with Ghosting too, and it's possible there are no scum left. Why is everyone certain there are four?
I feel confident in my ability as town to not be lynched and keeping it with myself made me impossible for scum to take down. I felt like I could win a late game vs. scum under those circumstances.
Something is pinging me as weird based on how my item worked.
I am now unlynchable.
I mean, I was always unlynchable, but now I'm also mechanically so!
I was trying to make him check the item, and then re-state that he watched someone make the kill vs. tracked them.
Technically speaking, we can make ghosting confirm this by looting huntzilla's corpse.
NAG, can you confirm it was a 1-shot tracker item?
I really like your posts in the past few minutes, so I don't think you're the last scum.
Vote Ghosting
Kind of want to clear the SK Today, and then gamble on the 40% chance or so we just automatically win.
I have no idea what to make of Iso's design process, and I got bitten hard about this in Iji, but I am struggling to see four mafia, two survivors that can win with scum, and a SK. That's like, 7 potential anti town in a game of 16.
There's the whole <redacted> thing, though.
We also had 2 guns in the game. We could have had 8 bodies by D3 I think.
Vote: Ghosting
Eh...
Mechanically it makes a lot of sense for the bulletproof to be scum, given that, but. Hm.
Guess I need to do some re-reading, yet again.
But I guess lynching him just to see if game ends or not isn't a terrible idea. Would prevent me from re-reading entire game if I don't have to do so.
Without claiming one of the items I still have, it'd be a pretty good idea to pass me the body armor tonight, if lynching Ghosting doesn't end the game. I won't die, so it's not a concern.
(Being Q is pretty awesome this game, I got a whole chest full of toys to play with)
I am pretty comfortable giving him a shot at his alternate wincon actually being real.
"Everyone wins except the mafia" is pretty cool.
Either way, waiting on brinatoo claim before any other real discussion seems right to me.
So I will probably just leave.
Not because I have to go to the doctor for old guy stuff, but because I'm waiting for brinatoo.
MindreaverIMAB
TappingStones
Atogaholic
Bloscovi
SilverCrys
NotAGimmick
Prophylaxis
Seppel
Hunger
Ghosting
GentlemanJohnny
Brinatoo
HuntzillaMatowar
Kraj
This is where I'm at. I think we're probably looking at 4 scum, because reasons.
Bloscovi is me, and I am town. I was responsible for Huntzilla dying last night. I bus hard, but not that hard. Plus, I started the game with multiple obviously town sided items.
SilverCrys is town. I don't want to explain some of the mechanical side of why I think he's town, but behaviorally he has been high effort, consistent, and driven.
NotAGimmick is town. Or at least not mafia. His reads have been a little questionable (see: Huntzilla, Matowar), but Kraj attacked him in a very strange manner, and he was indirectly responsible for Huntzilla's death via passing me an item that scum will never pass me, in particular. Because it means keeping me alive all game.
Prophylaxis is probably town. I don't think he is ever scum with Matowar, and he had some weird interactions with Huntzilla as well. On top of that, his early game was super town, and the way he's interacted with me and had no fear of me means he's just...very likely to be town. He will be self-resolving anyways due to one of my items, so don't worry about scum!Proph at all.
Seppel is probbbbably town. I still hate how he handled the unlynchable item day one. But being suboptimal mechanically is not necessarily a scum tell for Seppel, so, eh. I don't think he's scum with Huntzilla, and I don't think he's scum with Matowar. The Seppel/Hunt interactions in particular were really strange - he was scum reading Hunt for being reasonable and competent, and then forgot his read on him calling him probably town with excessive question marks. I don't think he handles a buddy that way. I'm just reluctant to call weird play out of Seppel's scum range, so he's not lock town. Just pretty likely.
Hunger is probbbbbbbbbably town. He makes a lot of sense as scum from a setup design standpoint, given how much killing power is floating around, as well as <redacted>. But tracking Hunt alleviates a lot of that, and he's been eminently reasonable and thoughtful most of the game. Which is a Hunger tell more than a Town tell, admittedly. If Ghosting and Brinatoo don't end the game, I'd probably look here closer, but for now, he's likely to be town.
Ghosting is our friendly neighborhood serial killer.
GentlemanJohnny is probably not mafia. Claiming survivor when he did, and gambling that there's not another survivor in the setup as a scum lover would be all kinds of ballsy. Mindset meshes with neutral as well.
Brinatoo is probbbably scum. There's been a lot I haven't liked from him behaviorally, from the way he opportunistically jumped on Silver, to soft defending Matowar, to lacking any kind of drive or energy to solve the game, to overly focused on his weak item/mechanic. But I mean, more than all of that it's just PoE. He's scum because no one else is reasonably likely to be.
Starting my Huntzilla reread momentarily, I'll be here if anyone wants to talk. Should I wait to post that stuff until after Brinatoo claims?
Actually, didn't Brinatoo already claim? He's Russian Scientist, Town Governor, if he hammers the lynch it gets governed and day continues?
@Brinatoo: Why wasn't Atog's lynch governed? You were, in fact, the hammer for that one judging by the vote count.
Blosc now has the laptop, it'd be super nice of town to let me live and fulfill my wincon since I could've just kept that laptop and backed it with Silver and Blosc both saying I could kill someone, and I just need one more night.
Brin is likely our last scum unless he has an explanation for yesterday.
Where is Seppel?
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1