1) Seppel, if you think both NaG and Megiddo are scum, I can't imagine they would work together and boot you, revealing themselves in the process, if the consensus is to lynch Meg. Especially not this early in the game.
2) As for myself, I'm not sold on Wobbegong. I'm not confident enough in my ability to read people to try to gauge Megiddo from one post, and I have no interest in seeing either NaG or Seppel get lynched.
3) If Mindreaver ever flips scum, I want Nykillor dead next. Basically /barn NaG on the whole buddying point.
4) I still don't like Shockwave. His posts are all over the place (a la Rodemy), but that isn't in character for him.
5) Why has kpaca completely disappeared? Also, does he normally propose action plans for town? The only time I've ever seen him do this was in Survival Horror as scum.
@Seppel: Don't know, but it seems to be getting worse with more mafia.
I'm actually starting to see what you saw in Meg's only post of this game. Quotes a multi-quote reply list from Deekus, says it's not adding anything and puts herself on a proposal with Mindreaver to be against Deekus.
On top of this, Meg doesn't try one damn bit to explain why the post doesn't add one thing about Deekus "not adding anything", just attacks.
Can't remember your stance on Deekus, Seppel, but we have differing views on Mindreaver. And even if we look at the post where either alignment!Mindreaver is true it is still bad, as one is a guarentee for them to secure a lynch, the other buddying a townie.
I'll be honest, I still am not feeling town!Mindreaver, but that can be sorted later and perhaps we can use Meg in helping do that.
Just what proposal would suit you? Because I know right now you don't trust me. Meg, Mind, You?
1) Seppel, if you think both NaG and Megiddo are scum, I can't imagine they would work together and boot you, revealing themselves in the process, if the consensus is to lynch Meg. Especially not this early in the game.
You do realize it would be +EV for them to just lynch me in that case, right? It would be a trainwreck.
@Seppel: Don't know, but it seems to be getting worse with more mafia.
I'm actually starting to see what you saw in Meg's only post of this game. Quotes a multi-quote reply list from Deekus, says it's not adding anything and puts herself on a proposal with Mindreaver to be against Deekus.
On top of this, Meg doesn't try one damn bit to explain why the post doesn't add one thing about Deekus "not adding anything", just attacks.
Can't remember your stance on Deekus, Seppel, but we have differing views on Mindreaver. And even if we look at the post where either alignment!Mindreaver is true it is still bad, as one is a guarentee for them to secure a lynch, the other buddying a townie.
I'll be honest, I still am not feeling town!Mindreaver, but that can be sorted later and perhaps we can use Meg in helping do that.
Just what proposal would suit you? Because I know right now you don't trust me. Meg, Mind, You?
That proposal is great. Also take note that Megs copied my SMD proposal but inserted himself into it.
I refuse to promote any proposal with meg in it until she starts posting again. One post is not enough to determine anything, and at this point i feel like it is a push for a mislynch on a lurker.
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Concidering you are a much better option for lynching, i'd say that meg's silence will pan out one way or the other. i just want her to post more first.
@dkingsland: wouldn't the follow up be if i flip town then we'd have to lynch you next because you set up a 1 for 1 with your mate?
Perhabs I don't understand where you are trying to come from. Nailing someone on an early read (aka reads without any solid Information based on the feel of things)
seems to be the #1-recipe for mislynchs later on. You wouldn't nail someone on his RVS o.0 Please just explain why I'd have to die when Mindreaver gets confirmed town.
I believe he said you'd die next if I was confirmed SCUM, not confirmed TOWN. Thoughts on that?
"Well, still no clue to as why the kittens are on board this ship, but I can say with certainty one thing: the air tanks given us suck," Shockwave shakes his head as the weekend seems to stretch on and the air locks are looking mighty empty.
And Meg hasn't moved from her spot really.
"You alive,"
A freaky computer voice replies, "I'm not dead yet," (OoG, not mafia related)
I move to move her to a more comfortable seat... People seem to guess where quickly as Rodemy stands up and says. "Not in there,"
I sigh.
Food supplies are winding down, and with that a new supply must. Be discovered.
Apparently I'll have time to become a potato farmer.
@Mindreaver: ...Just noted content being added after that brief story...
One post is not a lot to go on, but how it is written can give town a way to catch a clumsy scum player. Right now, I feel strongly enough that I won't regret the lynch, and it will remove one in active player without the need of a replacement if necessary.
@NaG: First things first - you are not a town read on my list. Still only my top neutral.
Trying to take Advantage of the momentum against megiddo? I was like the forth(?) vote against him. It's years till anything happens there.
I also stated I want to use my vote to get more Input off of him. If it we're clear I am uncomfortable with my vote there would be no pressure on him to respond because
I would unvote at some point anyway.
Please explain how you want to go ahead. You say I shouldn't base my read on Mindreavers actions because he hasn't flipped. Well... nobody has o.0 so you suggest we lynch someone
at random without giving reasoning because reasoning is nonsense at this Point anyway? I'll bet Mafia would love that.
Of course not. But you should be working to discern alignments based on their behavior. You, and seppel as well, are lazily basing a townread of someone based off a kneejerk wolfread of another.
The key difference is that seppel had no opinion of you before, while you were wolfreading me in some manner.
To immediately go from suspicion to "the top of the neutrals" because mindreaver said he trusted me is either a backpedal, a setup, or just a flat out fake read.
Which was it?
I refuse to promote any proposal with meg in it until she starts posting again. One post is not enough to determine anything, and at this point i feel like it is a push for a mislynch on a lurker.
This is correct. There may come a time when we need to start lynching lurkers, but I do not believe that time is the very first proposal to pass.
But my suspicion of megiddo still stands. It is only one post, but it is decidedly not a villagery one.
Geez NaG, that is hard to swallow. Shockwave is green for you?
I'll respond to your thought experiment. First, Shockwve's posting style is crazy disjointed, in all the games I've played with him. I would absolutely not clear him, or even give regards to, him posting what you quoted. He'd do somehting silly like that in either alignment, and I can go find examples if you wish. But silliness isn't a towntell, if that's what you're going for.
Let me propose one of my own, if you wouldn't mind. Does Nykllor seem concerned that he might be next if I were to flip scum? specifically on this page.
I'll be honest, I still am not feeling town!Mindreaver, but that can be sorted later and perhaps we can use Meg in helping do that.
Just what proposal would suit you? Because I know right now you don't trust me. Meg, Mind, You?
Why are you constantly trying to kill megs exactly? This the is second time you've done this. Do you really have that strong a read from his one post?
Why are you not asking me this?
Also why don't you see how obvscum Megs is?
So there is a difference between you. You might be proposing Meg, or even arguing for a Meg lynch, but it's not convoluted like Shockwave's arguments. I'm not dismissing Meg as a suspect. I'm not dismissing Tordeck either. But until I see more than one post from those guys, I'm not comfortable lynching them.
What Shock is doing, is saying "Oh I can't get a good read on [Seppel, Mindreaver], so I'll throw them in with Megs and a strong townread, and whatever happens happens (wink wink though, I want megs dead)". That line of thinking is not the same as "I think megs is scum, lets take him out". In other words, he's willing to murder a null read instead of pushing for a scum read. I don't like that at all.
To reiterate, you're not trying to kill megs in order to figure out somebody else's alignment. You think Meg's is scum. That's something I can understand. Shockwave is going after low-hanging fruit, IMO, and justifying it by saying he'll have a better read because of it. Which I do not understand.
If King_Deekus and kpaca haven't posted by the end of today, I'm replacing them. This is getting ridiculous. (I'll also do another prod-check tonight.)
Does Nykllor seem concerned that he might be next if I were to flip scum? specifically on this page.
Frankly, no. I don't think that the two of you are aligned.
Really? That whole "Mindreaver is scummy because he's buddying NaG" post looked like a really poor bus attempt to me.
Also, @Shockwave: Why are you trying to channel Rodemy this game? I haven't been in a game with you in a long time, but this is very out of character from what I recall.
I've got a major release scheduled for tonight, which basically made these last three days miserable. I should be able to get a post in tonight while I wait on DBAs, at the latest tomorrow sometime.
@Seppel - I'll just answer your question with a PBPA of Shockwave, because I don't see any other way to show you what I'm seeing from him.
Dude I haven't played mafia in over a year, I don't know anything about anyone's meta.
Then you're making a lot of assumptions. You've skipped the part where you say why each one is scum independently and just decided they're buddies. It's gross.
Re: nykllor/mindreaver
That initial statement from nykllor about mindreaver buddying me was not a villagery line of attack, but I am not sure that it makes any sense as w/w.
If nykllor is aligned with mindreaver, he should want to get credit for the bus as well as being able to go after a townie based on the flip. That's super basic stuff.
But he is preemptively clearing me based on mindreaver's scumflip. That is pretty -EV play there, especially in a game with no nightkills.
My current theory is that nykllor wanted a good excuse to back off me, and used a pretty gross connection there to move his scumread without actually having to say I seemed villagery. This allows him to doggedly pursue mindreaver until he dies and then jump right back to me when he flips town.
The only thing really holding me back from just going in to full on "lynch nykllor" mode is that mindreaver is a bit wolfish, and that did seem like buddying up to me.
HOWEVER buddying can come from town as well. Sometimes you just want to know who your friends are, and I can easily see mindreaver wanting to be on the same page as me after goldeneye.
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Curiosity killed the cat. But for awhile, I was a suspect.
@Tordeck: It might help your position if you explained why. Because right now I don't see NaG as scum, and even if you can't convince me, you can at least give us something to show your mind is working beyond playing like Iso's "solved game, agree with me" play.
Hopefully new blood will show something.
@Kpaca: I can get behind that if there is a three scummy grouping that can be agreed on.
Games so ******* scattered right now that I fear for my chances of winning this game.
ISOing Deekus, i can see a good possibility of his scumship. Like, just discussing semantics, his FOS argument was just... bad.. and a lot of the talk was just.. empty and repeating what other people said.
so..
Are we lynching anyone or what? can we get this moving a bit?
It's hard to propose anything because you need two clear town reads and a clear scum read.
next post from anyone should be who they want to lynch. (bold so we can count)
the person will go in a group with DK and I since i think we are probably the most town cleared. (I don't trust seppel)
My vote is on Shockwave
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First thing first, I don't think the mechanics in this game will be as important as behaviour. That being said, I think we should push for two strong town reads and one scum read when proposing groups. This gives town control of the lynch.
@Mod: You say if they fail to lynch all three players will be killed. What if all three choose to no lynch?
A lot of nulls. Mindreaver stands out as town for his assessment of how best to approach the game. My predecessor was a bit hasty in his "vote".
Contrary to NaG's thoughts, I don't like that Shockwave voted for a proposal that included himself, either he has a teammate in that pile with him or he feels he can sway the lynch. If Shock flips scum I'd look into NaG's interactions with him, as well as the rest of that grouping.
Also of note, the idea that was proposed on page 1 to put the three scummiest players in the group could effectively give scum daychat if two/three players are scum, which gives them the opportunity to co-ordinate, which is not a good idea imo.
1) Seppel, if you think both NaG and Megiddo are scum, I can't imagine they would work together and boot you, revealing themselves in the process, if the consensus is to lynch Meg. Especially not this early in the game.
2) As for myself, I'm not sold on Wobbegong. I'm not confident enough in my ability to read people to try to gauge Megiddo from one post, and I have no interest in seeing either NaG or Seppel get lynched.
3) If Mindreaver ever flips scum, I want Nykillor dead next. Basically /barn NaG on the whole buddying point.
4) I still don't like Shockwave. His posts are all over the place (a la Rodemy), but that isn't in character for him.
5) Why has kpaca completely disappeared? Also, does he normally propose action plans for town? The only time I've ever seen him do this was in Survival Horror as scum.
I'm actually starting to see what you saw in Meg's only post of this game. Quotes a multi-quote reply list from Deekus, says it's not adding anything and puts herself on a proposal with Mindreaver to be against Deekus.
On top of this, Meg doesn't try one damn bit to explain why the post doesn't add one thing about Deekus "not adding anything", just attacks.
Can't remember your stance on Deekus, Seppel, but we have differing views on Mindreaver. And even if we look at the post where either alignment!Mindreaver is true it is still bad, as one is a guarentee for them to secure a lynch, the other buddying a townie.
I'll be honest, I still am not feeling town!Mindreaver, but that can be sorted later and perhaps we can use Meg in helping do that.
Just what proposal would suit you? Because I know right now you don't trust me. Meg, Mind, You?
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That proposal is great. Also take note that Megs copied my SMD proposal but inserted himself into it.
Propose GreatProposal (Megs, Mindreaver, Seppel)
Vote: Great
@Rodemy: Then can you at least break down the town mindset of handling this like Meg did and going radio silent in this game?
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Propose CounterGreat (Rodemy, Shockwave, Dkingsland)
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I think I'm resigned to two-word compound names at this point. More than that and I'll abridge them.
[EDIT: See Post 198 re: name changes]
Vote Count
(7 to pass)
CounterGreat: dkingsland967, Rodemy, Shockwave
1 - Rodemy
FROG: DoTArchon, Megiddo, Mindreaver
1 - Megiddo
GreatProposal: Megiddo, Mindreaver, Seppel
2 - Seppel, Shockwave07
Wobbegong: Megiddo, not_a_gimmick, Seppel
2 - not_a_gimmick, D_V
SnM: Mindreaver, not_a_gimmick, Seppel
1 - Tordeck
AMF: Mindreaver, Rodemy, Shockwave07
2 - Shockwave07, Mindreaver
Active Proposals
None
Valor: dkingsland967, kpaca, Shockwave07
Instinct: D_V, Megiddo, Rodemy
SMD: DoTArchon, Mindreaver, Seppel
Rocket: DoTArchon, not_a_gimmick, Nykllor
Nuts: kpaca, Mindreaver, Seppel
Blunt: kpaca, Seppel, Shockwave07
InNaGWeTrust: Mindreaver, not_a_gimmick, Shockwave07
Mystic: Mindreaver, Seppel, Tordeck
RVS-One: Seppel, Shockwave07, Tordeck
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On this episode of Shockwave posts *****:
"Well, still no clue to as why the kittens are on board this ship, but I can say with certainty one thing: the air tanks given us suck," Shockwave shakes his head as the weekend seems to stretch on and the air locks are looking mighty empty.
And Meg hasn't moved from her spot really.
"You alive,"
A freaky computer voice replies, "I'm not dead yet," (OoG, not mafia related)
I move to move her to a more comfortable seat... People seem to guess where quickly as Rodemy stands up and says. "Not in there,"
I sigh.
Food supplies are winding down, and with that a new supply must. Be discovered.
Apparently I'll have time to become a potato farmer.
And make lots of vodka.
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One post is not a lot to go on, but how it is written can give town a way to catch a clumsy scum player. Right now, I feel strongly enough that I won't regret the lynch, and it will remove one in active player without the need of a replacement if necessary.
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The key difference is that seppel had no opinion of you before, while you were wolfreading me in some manner.
To immediately go from suspicion to "the top of the neutrals" because mindreaver said he trusted me is either a backpedal, a setup, or just a flat out fake read.
Which was it? This is correct. There may come a time when we need to start lynching lurkers, but I do not believe that time is the very first proposal to pass.
But my suspicion of megiddo still stands. It is only one post, but it is decidedly not a villagery one. Anyone thinking shockwave is a wolf MUST comment on why you think he would make this post.
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I would like to pass a proposal that leads to lynching nykllor.
My reads as of now:
shockwave
dkingsland
DV
rodemy
seppel
mindreaver
meggido
nykllor
I'll respond to your thought experiment. First, Shockwve's posting style is crazy disjointed, in all the games I've played with him. I would absolutely not clear him, or even give regards to, him posting what you quoted. He'd do somehting silly like that in either alignment, and I can go find examples if you wish. But silliness isn't a towntell, if that's what you're going for.
Let me propose one of my own, if you wouldn't mind. Does Nykllor seem concerned that he might be next if I were to flip scum? specifically on this page.
Why are you not asking me this?
Also why don't you see how obvscum Megs is?
This line makes me feel better about you.
anyway.
um. Hi. Posting and now sleeping.
Shockwave is scum. That is why i think he is scum.
You know my reasoning. Hell, if you don't you aren't reading.
Remember Pleasantvile mafia?
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What Shock is doing, is saying "Oh I can't get a good read on [Seppel, Mindreaver], so I'll throw them in with Megs and a strong townread, and whatever happens happens (wink wink though, I want megs dead)". That line of thinking is not the same as "I think megs is scum, lets take him out". In other words, he's willing to murder a null read instead of pushing for a scum read. I don't like that at all.
To reiterate, you're not trying to kill megs in order to figure out somebody else's alignment. You think Meg's is scum. That's something I can understand. Shockwave is going after low-hanging fruit, IMO, and justifying it by saying he'll have a better read because of it. Which I do not understand.
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Really? That whole "Mindreaver is scummy because he's buddying NaG" post looked like a really poor bus attempt to me.
Also, @Shockwave: Why are you trying to channel Rodemy this game? I haven't been in a game with you in a long time, but this is very out of character from what I recall.
Anything else is unintentional.
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If you're town you'll read the game and figure this out for yourself. We're only on page 4.
You'll also say who is scum.
Ok I'm just posting an update should be able to make a real post tomorrow.
Sorry guys school work with internship got busy.
@Seppel - I'll just answer your question with a PBPA of Shockwave, because I don't see any other way to show you what I'm seeing from him.
I'm not sure you answered my question. Do you mean "Frankly no, he doesn't seem concerned at all"?
Then you're making a lot of assumptions. You've skipped the part where you say why each one is scum independently and just decided they're buddies. It's gross.
That initial statement from nykllor about mindreaver buddying me was not a villagery line of attack, but I am not sure that it makes any sense as w/w.
If nykllor is aligned with mindreaver, he should want to get credit for the bus as well as being able to go after a townie based on the flip. That's super basic stuff.
But he is preemptively clearing me based on mindreaver's scumflip. That is pretty -EV play there, especially in a game with no nightkills.
My current theory is that nykllor wanted a good excuse to back off me, and used a pretty gross connection there to move his scumread without actually having to say I seemed villagery. This allows him to doggedly pursue mindreaver until he dies and then jump right back to me when he flips town.
The only thing really holding me back from just going in to full on "lynch nykllor" mode is that mindreaver is a bit wolfish, and that did seem like buddying up to me.
HOWEVER buddying can come from town as well. Sometimes you just want to know who your friends are, and I can easily see mindreaver wanting to be on the same page as me after goldeneye.
The Family
Scumteam is Seppel, (Megs), NaG and Shockwave
Game solved. Lets go home.
Nah, not even sure of megs yet. But i do believe seppel is scum this game. He just seems.. off.
Since nothing has changed since I posted it, I'm just going to update the latest vote count to add DoTArchon and update any alphabetization required.
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Hopefully new blood will show something.
@Kpaca: I can get behind that if there is a three scummy grouping that can be agreed on.
Games so ******* scattered right now that I fear for my chances of winning this game.
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What changed from wanting me dead?
What exactly about NAG's post 153 was gross?
so..
Are we lynching anyone or what? can we get this moving a bit?
It's hard to propose anything because you need two clear town reads and a clear scum read.
next post from anyone should be who they want to lynch. (bold so we can count)
the person will go in a group with DK and I since i think we are probably the most town cleared. (I don't trust seppel)
My vote is on Shockwave
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Of course this being my second dealing with D_V... I maybe a bit biased as to how easy it is to clear him right now.
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First thing first, I don't think the mechanics in this game will be as important as behaviour. That being said, I think we should push for two strong town reads and one scum read when proposing groups. This gives town control of the lynch.
@Mod: You say if they fail to lynch all three players will be killed. What if all three choose to no lynch?
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A lot of nulls. Mindreaver stands out as town for his assessment of how best to approach the game. My predecessor was a bit hasty in his "vote".
Contrary to NaG's thoughts, I don't like that Shockwave voted for a proposal that included himself, either he has a teammate in that pile with him or he feels he can sway the lynch. If Shock flips scum I'd look into NaG's interactions with him, as well as the rest of that grouping.
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