I thought we were in a 7-man setup because I thought I remembered the matrix setups from MafiaScum being 7 players so I assumed this was LyoL. Had I realized that was not the case, I wouldn't have bothered claiming toDay.
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1. your protect target was "obviously" going to be GJ,
2. how scum!AG could have known you were the BG when anyone else could have been the BG and protected someone else
Your logic of "I would obviously protect GJ > GJ died > because I was Roleblocked > I am the BG" does not work.
Scum can't make the BG out themselves because it's a slim chance that the BG even activates unless there's a reeeally obvious protect target. GJ doesn't really fit the bill. He mostly just talked about Seppel. If anything you should have been the Nightkill, He Who Sniffs Out Entire Scumteams Day 1.
I don't think the way AG announced he knew Ophidia was the Vig was scummy. And if Basic 88 was his most recent scumgame (in addition to Chime Mafia, which I hear was a disaster of a game), then I highly doubt he's scum here.
There is always always always at least one scum on the Rodemy wagon. I know this because I am town, and all of the flipped town players are spread out enough that it leaves only one (1) room for scum to possibly be OFF the wagon (Kosa). It's not Seppel or Ophidia. I doubt it's AG, and I ~kinda doubt it's zomg. That leaves you!
Smaller thing: you're accusing AG of taking advantage of your lack of posting, which. You literally never mentioned your posting would be lacking, neither in this game thread nor in the signups.
I have to say, I'd feel pretty dumb for leading a lynch on the BG. But I'd feel even dumber if you were running a gambit here and I let you get away with it.
Blah.
Two scum in [Iso, Kosa, AG, zomg].
Y'all should post more so I can try to figure this game out. I have varying degrees of townreads on, uh. Everyone except (?) Iso. Which is a problem!
1. your protect target was "obviously" going to be GJ,
2. how scum!AG could have known you were the BG when anyone else could have been the BG and protected someone else
Your logic of "I would obviously protect GJ > GJ died > because I was Roleblocked > I am the BG" does not work.
Scum can't make the BG out themselves because it's a slim chance that the BG even activates unless there's a reeeally obvious protect target. GJ doesn't really fit the bill. He mostly just talked about Seppel. If anything you should have been the Nightkill, He Who Sniffs Out Entire Scumteams Day 1.
I don't think the way AG announced he knew Ophidia was the Vig was scummy. And if Basic 88 was his most recent scumgame (in addition to Chime Mafia, which I hear was a disaster of a game), then I highly doubt he's scum here.
There is always always always at least one scum on the Rodemy wagon. I know this because I am town, and all of the flipped town players are spread out enough that it leaves only one (1) room for scum to possibly be OFF the wagon (Kosa). It's not Seppel or Ophidia. I doubt it's AG, and I ~kinda doubt it's zomg. That leaves you!
Smaller thing: you're accusing AG of taking advantage of your lack of posting, which. You literally never mentioned your posting would be lacking, neither in this game thread nor in the signups.
I don't need to announce "I work from noon to nine" for people to be able to notice the general times I'm able to make posts. Like...the fact that I wasn't able to get a post in before Day 1 ended after Seppel's hammer is REALLY easy to take advantage of and it's concerning me that you aren't wrapping your head around that.
And sure, I'm a downright frightening player - but you also just saw a game where I got lynched Day 1 as town because I had to deploy my feelers to catch the scum. (Which, by the way, I eventually did do.) So I admit that I can have some off games, and I'm not always the be-all-end-all-scumcatching-god. I just happen to be right a lot of the time reqlly early on. But I've not had he luxury of time - both from Day 1 being cut short, which is when I like to generate the most reactions - and due to the fact that I'm not generally able to post before 6 pm on a given weekday. Couple this with the fact that I'm rarely home when I'm not at work and it results in "3 town dead and Iso hasn't busted any heads yet" on Day 2.
You're basing your read on my availability when it's simply incorrect to do so in this instance. (And you're eating AG's crap about it, to boot!)
So, now that you've realized the error in your meta read on AG, how do you feel about him?
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2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
What "crap" have I said about your availability? No part of my argument referred to availability. You say I'm "taking advantage" of your inability to get a post in at the end of day 1. What does that mean exactly? I wasn't able to a get a post in at the end of day 1 either.
You don't seem to have any disagreements with the actual arguments I put forward and are instead going off about availability.
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Which doesn't surprise me, considering you're scum, but yeah.
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@Vaimes: Roger that.
I haven't read your posts closely enough? OK, hold my hand through this with some quotes. Where do you deny my argument outside of calling me scum? Where did I supply crap to be eaten up about your availability?
On a separate point, and this may be a little WIFOMy but I felt like it's worth mentioning. Why would I have concocted a plot to frame you instead of just shooting Ophidia? Building a plan around you both being the bodyguard and protecting GJ just so that you appear scummy is pretty difficult when I could just shoot Ophidia and wipe out the only clear town. Why would I have taken the harder route?
Okay, Im done re-reading. The only person i am 100% sure of is Oph, who is the vig which we all know.
I can see two seperate possibilities for teams. With a 65% Chance of being Scum Im going to say Iso and Vaimes. Originally I was going to say Iso and Unknown but after looking at just vaimes posts I feel like their game plan was to gambit the claim and if it started going belly up tying it off around Iso and getting Vaimes into Lylo. Also Vaimes has valiantly tried to be the coveted T/S List secretary
The other team I could see with a 35% chance of being scum is Kosa and AG. Their posts are just naturally playing off each other and its on that line of Too Coached and coerced to be scum which is why i think they are town more than scum
With that Vote Iso
Specific Notes in the spoiler
ISO-
#28- Not sure what he is referring to, but if he was referring to my #23 I would like to know what was confusing.
#31,32- Vaimes interaction. Voting Rod because of his rvs/semiserious vote on Vaimes. Granted I thought Rod was scum too
#59- Im starting to notice a different ISO than the one I played with in TF2. In TF2 he was very demanding and on the attack. So far he is posting like he is on the defense
#63- This feels like super forced interaction. Its so blatantly obvious that Oph is trolling at this point
#94,95- Assumptions without questioning or hammering down to try and make them slip. Either ISO has different town lines of play or he is looking really scummy
#131- This is the post that makes me really think Iso is scum. He knows that Oph is the Vig so we are either Goon/Vanilla or Bodyguard/Roleblock. This is a super convenient claim bc he can claim Bodyguard and that he was Roleblocked and get away with it if the real setup is Goon/Vanilla and we would never know the difference.
#158- Cozying up to vaimes, calling AG scum
#161- This kinda feels more like Iso from TF2
#164- OMGUSY
#172- This feels like a “maybe I should have been acting more town” post than a “get off my nuts” post
Oph-
#43- This seemed like a counter rvs banter post, kind of striking me as town
#46- was kinda a OMGUS claim to me
#80- Bandwagonning like a newer player
#87,88- Never played forum mafia and edited his post. Still jiving town
#98- Vig soft Claim
#108,109- No reason given other than to speed things up. For future reference Oph its bad to put someone at L-1 until everyone is ready to end the day because scum or a hasty towny can end the day before people are ready. Try and stay at L-2 in the future until the town is ready to end the day
#126- Vig hard claim
#156 Scum Hunting
#163 More Scum Hunting
Vaimes-
#36- This is the post where you start to take control of the T/S list. I personally think it’s a bold but brilliant scum move especially if Iso is your scum buddy(AG, Iso, Seppell, Zomg T)
#41- More controlling of the T/S list (Kosa T)
#50 More setting up of the T/S List (Zomg, Oph S)
#138- Vanilla Claim (Works into Iso being scum)
#139- If your not scum, then Kosa/AG is probably it
#142- Distancing yourself from Iso to shoot yourself into Day 3 as a last ditch effort?
#143- I agree there was Scum on the Rodemy Wagon. Wasn’t me though. I do find it interesting that you didn’t have a vote in at the end of day. I belive this was mainly due to VLA?
#144- I concur here
#147- Great point, however I think its possible he was fishing
#152,153- Controlling the T/S List again, listing two “known” towns to gain trust? More distancing from Iso
#154- Completely 100% agree
#160- More distancing from Iso
#165-Good logic but more distancing
#166- Id replace this with Two scum in (Iso, Vaimes, Kosa, AG)
#174- Distancing complete
Kosa-
#38,39- I found these posts to be scummy when they happened, but that was with the assumption that seppell was scum. After my re-read I find these to be natural
#66- I vibe with this post now
#69- This giant wall of texts makes me think you could be scum
#122- Trying to help AG out the PRs
#125- Still pushing for the PR’s
#128- I find this natural and townie
#133- I agree here
#136- This is why I think Kosa is more likely to be town. However Iso could be town bating mafia???
#137- Setting AG up as town
#151- I feel like he is hunting scum here
AG-
#16- Not sure what to think of this post. Is it really a lot of analysis to wait for people to post before moving a vote? That just seems common sense
#20- Knowing Iso is at L-2 he gently presses for a claim. I feel if he were scum he might have voted Iso and put him to where he needed to claim. Hopefully he just saw this as a RVS wagon that wasn’t going anywhere
#97- Could be sly coaching, would work if Kosa/AG were the scum team
#120- No reason given as to why he thinks im scum, sets up a kosa post
#121- Trying to Figure out if the setup is Bodyguard/Roleblocker or Goon/Vanilla
#130- I can see your concerns now, but I am town I assure you that
#135- Makes me think your town, why would you let a known vig get away. Sure that shot put is in Mylo but still
#157-Very good logic here.
#159- Yup!
#175- You all are having a breakdown in communication. One of you is scum
#177- Good points
To be honest, his analysis is pretty true. Iso and Vaimes' interaction does sound like acting.
Iso's claims about being BG are also unsteady, and simply by saying that you miscounted does not resolve my suspicions.
zomg, you think Iso and I are setting ME up to get to LyLo, when...I could just keep my mouth shut and let Iso's BG fakeclaim carry us to victory, since scum only need one more mislynch to win?
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Okay so I'm probably crashing early tonight given last night's post-nap insanity, BUT I will try to make time for that post tonight. If I don't get to it tonight, then definitely tomorrow because I don't have anything else that I need to be doing after work.
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Like literally this situation we're in right now IS my collection of thoughts on this game. Vaimes' Thoughts. You are inside my actual brain right now, asking me for more when we're already way past that. It's thought-ception.
You know I think Iso is scum. I've laid out why. I have an idea as for what the scumteam is, but I would like to know where other people stand.
I've pointed out why your theory that scum!Iso is prepping scum!me for LyLo when his fakeclaim is infinitely more likely to win us the game is dumb. And then you started talking about Ophidia
I want you to lay out a narrative about this game, and why it's gone the way it has because person x and person y are the scumteam.
Dodge my polite and reasonable request one more time.
zomg, you think Iso and I are setting ME up to get to LyLo, when...I could just keep my mouth shut and let Iso's BG fakeclaim carry us to victory, since scum only need one more mislynch to win?
Mafia doesnt have daychat so while I will agree it was VERY likely that Oph would shoot night 1 just to shoot you wouldnt have known 100% that you were going into Mylo bc had Oph held off on her shot we wouldnt be here
That has nothing to do with the potential for scum to be fakeclaiming BG.
Because even if the Vig hadn't gone off, scum!BG could just say they were Roleblocked again if we lynched anyone BUT the actual Roleblocker.
Also, you seem to agree with an awful lot of what I say, all the while possibly slotting me as scum with Iso.
I didn't have a vote because lol Seppel ending the Day super early.
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I have a post I've been sitting on that I'll paste once more people actually, y'know. Play.
Like I said earlier it was almost posted Iso and Unknown, but out of the people left I couldnt really see anything that pointed Kosa, Oph, or AG as his partner.
One thing I will say, I really want to hear Iso's re-read, and I want to hear Vaimes post as well. Between that and Vaime's VLA until monday i am going to Unvote with the intention of using this weekend to get some discussions in before we make mistakes[/quote]I can think of a good reason why his potential partner isn't Kosa, Oph, or AG. But I'll save that for later.
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Ball is in your court and has been for quite a while now.
Just a brief update: Okay, so it's definitely gonna be tomorrow night. I get off of work at 9 pm EST, so I'm coming home, probably eating and general post-work stuff, then I'm going to plop in front of my computer and grind out my re-read post. If I haven't posted it by the time I generally go to bed (so around 2-4 am that night), feel free to lynch me on principle.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I think AG is town here because I read one of his old scumgames and he was pretty obviously not town. But again, it was maybe a couple years ago, and there's a fair chance he's improved.
Meta is unreliable. How do you read AG's motivations in this game?
I think with the way the game has gone so far, it's totally possible for Iso to be scum and lying.
"Iso" and "lying" are certainly one of the most complementary word pairs I've ever seen lawl
But jokes aside, humour me this: Iso hardly was a point of contention D1. He was just there, skimming by.
So let's for a second pretend Iso is scum. Why would scum!Iso suddenly call all the attention to himself instead of... just claiming VT, keep himself blended in and attempt to sheep us by? That's the part I can't wrap my head about. Yes, Iso is a goddamn liar, but he's far from being stupid.
2) I wanted to force the possible Bodyguard gambit to happen on our terms (I wanted the scum to go for it immediately rather than have nobody claim bodyguard or have a bodyguard claim (either real or fake) come out later)
Why do you talk as if you were expecting, beyond doubt, a gambit to occur? Why, in your mind, a gambit makes more sense than simply laying low?
You barely entertain the possibility of a Bodyguard actually being in the game. How were you planning to discern whether a Bodyguard claim would be real or fake?
Iso is scum. He's the one I was thinking of when I considered the possibility of scum gambitting. Through sheer randomness, the chance of Iso being on the Goon/Goon mafia team is twice that of him being the bodyguard. I'd put the chance that Iso goes for the gambit in these circumstances above 50%, especially after I called attention to the bodyguard. That means it's more likely for an Iso claiming bodyguard to be scum than it is for him to be the actual bodyguard.
You're using sheer randomness and probability to call someone scum. Like, really?
On top of Iso just being more likely to false claim bodyguard than be the actual bodyguard, the night actions line up with scum-Iso. Iso was probably worried that GJ was cozying up to him too much and therefore wanted to NK him. This is very similar to Unseen University Night 1 with scum-Iso calling the NK in on Wessel. Also, Iso's claim of protecting GJ but then being roleblocked doesn't make sense. Why would the scum kill GJ and roleblock Iso? Ophidia claimed vig day 1, and Seppel was drawing attention to himself claiming doctor. Seppel was probably trying to draw the protective role to himself and I could see the mafia roleblock Iso if they intended to off Seppel. But they didn't go after Seppel, they went after GJ. Iso would have us believe the roleblocker just ignored Ophidia and Seppel during that?
This whole part is lots of WIFOM and meta-based logic, but the bolded (my emphasis) is flat-out fabricated.
The only non-RVS post GJ talks about Iso is this one:
Kosa and zomg, what are your thoughts on Iso and me?
The only thing I'm virtually 100% sure is that you aren't town on town slapping (because that would require the scumteam to be Vaimes and zomg, and if that's the case they're the best 2016 scumteam period.)
There's a bizarre thought on my head right now but I'll wait until my questions are answered.
Also Vaimes has valiantly tried to be the coveted T/S List secretary.
I don't get this part at all.
Other than that, great post. I like the analysis generally speaking, and, although a minor point, the fact that you took and made notes on Ophidia despite him being 100% town shows the effort in attempting to solve the game.
Here's a list of all possible scumteams, after discarding duplicates, teams that include one person twice, and teams I don't believe in (which are listed next):
zomg/AG
Kosa/zomg
Iso/Kosa
Teams I'm going to eliminate:
Iso/AG > They're both putting a decent amount of thought/effort into painting each other as scum in a way that I don't see as distancing. Especially when they could both turn on me for accusing Iso of lying and (perhaps) easily make me the game-winning mislynch.
Kosa/AG > AG knew Ophidia claimed Vig Day 1, and Kosa didn't. The "Uhh no he didn't?" looks genuine enough, and I don't believe Kosa would bother faking that as scum.
Iso/zomg > zomg's recent hop onto Iso is eh, probably not scumbuddies. I don't think there's any world where Iso and zomg are scum together and Iso tells him to start bussing like this, especially if Iso is scum and fakeclaiming.
I ~kind of want to eliminate any team involving Kosa, tbh. I just flat-out don't think he's mafia, though his "that's a great post, zomg!" is thbtbtbtbtbtbt. The Ophidia reread just looks like pandering, his Iso reread looks like he /started/ with the assumption that Iso is scum and didn't actually think about it, and the way he's been treating me this game is bizarre. "You're trying to take control of the game by sharing reads!" is ???. Accusing me and Iso of being scum together and asserting that I'M the one we're trying to get to LyLo is ???. Agreeing with my posts and slotting me as scum is ???. I dunno man.
If I bite the bullet and clear Kosa, that would leave three names for two mafia to reside in: [zomg, Iso, AG]. It'd be fantastic if we could land the scum Roleblocker toDay and clear Iso, but I'm not holding my breath. In any case, we probably don't lynch Iso toDay and, in the world where he's scum, try to get his buddy first. Because I'd rather lose to a good gambit than lead a lynch on the town BG, I think.
Which means I want to lynch zomg or AG. Mostly zomg; AG is just sort of "there" now that my metaread on him has been revoked.
If someone disagrees with any of the teams I've eliminated, please share why. With details and support.
Drive-by post on my break: Why do you think Kosa can't be scum with me? Based on his last post, I find it kind of weird that he didn't really go anywhere with his (what appear to be) declarations of my scumminess. Is that not bizarre to you?
I mean, obviously I'm town, but you don't know that - so why handwave this particular interaction?
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Thing is, I did. As for the question in that post, the fact of the matter is that I wasn't concerned about Seppel because I knew there was a 50% chance there would be a Vig in this game, and if that were the case, they would know Seppel was lying and shoot him and if there wasn't a Vig that there was a chance (with me being Bodyguard) that there was a mafia Tracker in this game, which would give credibility to his claim if that was the case, which would probably result in the scum killing him. Ultimately, there was absolutely no reason to call attention to my own role in (what I thought was) a 7-man game until necessary, as the Jailer or Vig would verify the possibility of my own role's existence. I figured Seppel would sort himself out, one way or another, and I made it clear that I did not believe his claim on Day 1.
Anyway, I'm here now (I got distracted with Magic cards) and I'm going to commence my re-read.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I won't bother analyzing people that are dead because we know their alignments. And Ophidia is the confirmed Vig.
Duh.
Alright, we're currently trying to figure out:
* Vaimes
* Kosa
* AG
* Arcwind (I forgot who was in this slot for a moment)
So, let's get to it.
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I think that Vaimes's opening was fine, and as stated, I like his effort. It feels like he's the primary non-Iso player trying to solve the game, at this juncture. If Vaimes is scum, he deserves the win for trying harder than everyone else.
Crossing Vaimes off the list.
I think AG is scum for reasons I've already stated, but I'm going to see if that holds true in this re-read. His opening is null.
Arcwind's opening post is extremely uninspiring. It's basically "I don't see much going on, but I'm not going to do anything to fix that." Do not like.
AG takes a potshot at Arcwind but I don't remember it going anywhere. Possible scum interaction.
Kosa's opener is fine.
AG makes a joke about me claiming after Kosa's vote, which feels out of place given his serious comment to Arcwind before.
Arcwind says he wants to give me time to respond to everyone...but everyone voting me is doing so for RVS reasons. I find it difficult to wrap my head around him not realizing that.
Arcwind sounds concerned, almost panicked, about Rodemy's vote on him. I could see possible genuine confusion here, but he doesn't feel like he's trying to solve Rodemy, only like he's trying to get Rodemy off his back.
Kosa's reaction to Seppel's claim feels natural, especially because of the double post. This is actually consistent with Kosa questioning why I didn't react to Seppel's claim, though I'm a little uncertain as to why he'd care so much about my opinion on the matter, in particular, as opposed to questioning anyone else on it.
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I don't like Arcwind's complete lack of analysis or questioning, here, though I legitimately don't remember how he played in the game we were just in, nor what caused me to push for his lynch so early on in that game. I definitely wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt in this game because I didn't want to be wrong about him again, but his play has been active lurking, to this point.
AG moves his vote over to Rodemy with yet another joke post, this time in response to Ophidia. No questioning, no analysis.
Kosa's response to Rodemy is fine, though again, I'd still like to know why I'm the only person in particular that he questioned about the reaction to Seppel's claim.
@Kosa: You later then make a post about how Seppel's claim makes him scum because "But claiming Doc potentially raises the eyebrows of ANY town PRs we could have because they would KNOW FOR A FACT that Seppel is lying." Why wouldn't you just assume I was a town PR in this case?
Actually, that probably makes Kosa town, because I don't think he'd pass up the opportunity to NK townpowerIso.
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2) I wanted to force the possible Bodyguard gambit to happen on our terms (I wanted the scum to go for it immediately rather than have nobody claim bodyguard or have a bodyguard claim (either real or fake) come out later)
Why do you talk as if you were expecting, beyond doubt, a gambit to occur? Why, in your mind, a gambit makes more sense than simply laying low?
You barely entertain the possibility of a Bodyguard actually being in the game. How were you planning to discern whether a Bodyguard claim would be real or fake?
I was planning on mentioning the possibility of a gambit and have it be a discussion point to gauge town reactions, although I'd lean towards it being a true claim. Having that information in the open for the town ti discuss feels much safer than letting the scum sit and think about whether to go for the gambit later; a true bodyguard claim coming out later would be very annoying to deal with if we hadn't already found the roleblocker. Iso claiming bodyguard and then claiming to have been roleblocked on top of it just feels like much more of a gambit than some other player claiming to be the bodyguard.
Iso is scum. He's the one I was thinking of when I considered the possibility of scum gambitting. Through sheer randomness, the chance of Iso being on the Goon/Goon mafia team is twice that of him being the bodyguard. I'd put the chance that Iso goes for the gambit in these circumstances above 50%, especially after I called attention to the bodyguard. That means it's more likely for an Iso claiming bodyguard to be scum than it is for him to be the actual bodyguard.
You're using sheer randomness and probability to call someone scum. Like, really?
Yes, just from the bodyguard claim Iso would be quite a bit more likely to be scum than town. It's not the standard I'd like to use, but after the short day 1, it's what we have.
On top of Iso just being more likely to false claim bodyguard than be the actual bodyguard, the night actions line up with scum-Iso. Iso was probably worried that GJ was cozying up to him too much and therefore wanted to NK him. This is very similar to Unseen University Night 1 with scum-Iso calling the NK in on Wessel. Also, Iso's claim of protecting GJ but then being roleblocked doesn't make sense. Why would the scum kill GJ and roleblock Iso? Ophidia claimed vig day 1, and Seppel was drawing attention to himself claiming doctor. Seppel was probably trying to draw the protective role to himself and I could see the mafia roleblock Iso if they intended to off Seppel. But they didn't go after Seppel, they went after GJ. Iso would have us believe the roleblocker just ignored Ophidia and Seppel during that?
This whole part is lots of WIFOM and meta-based logic, but the bolded (my emphasis) is flat-out fabricated.
The only non-RVS post GJ talks about Iso is this one:
I really hope he flips town. I love it when Iso is wrong.
I still love Iso though.
Seppel +scum regardless of flip.
GJ mostly spent the Day talking about Seppel and mechanics, not Iso, and that's a fact. As in, non-debatable. What are you up to here?
When I was looking over GJ's posts, that reminded me of Wessel in Unseen University (who was killed n1 by scumIso). Note: Iso never argued against this point and sees to agree that GJ is who he would kill. Again, not conclusive but it fits a scumIso.
AG moves his vote over to Rodemy with yet another joke post, this time in response to Ophidia. No questioning, no analysis.
It was a continuation of the joke regarding Ophidia's "I'm town" assertion. The reasoning for the vote was "Rodemy is the next person after Ophidia on the player list."
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I'm leaning towards zomg as the second scum.
zomg's early posts about Iso could fit an inexperienced scum player interacting with his buddy. zomg mentioned TF2 where he was mislynched day 1. His posts in TF2 are quite a bit longer and seem rather relaxed compared to his posting in this game.
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~Ophidia, 2016
I thought we were in a 7-man setup because I thought I remembered the matrix setups from MafiaScum being 7 players so I assumed this was LyoL. Had I realized that was not the case, I wouldn't have bothered claiming toDay.
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1. your protect target was "obviously" going to be GJ,
2. how scum!AG could have known you were the BG when anyone else could have been the BG and protected someone else
Your logic of "I would obviously protect GJ > GJ died > because I was Roleblocked > I am the BG" does not work.
Scum can't make the BG out themselves because it's a slim chance that the BG even activates unless there's a reeeally obvious protect target. GJ doesn't really fit the bill. He mostly just talked about Seppel. If anything you should have been the Nightkill, He Who Sniffs Out Entire Scumteams Day 1.
I don't think the way AG announced he knew Ophidia was the Vig was scummy. And if Basic 88 was his most recent scumgame (in addition to Chime Mafia, which I hear was a disaster of a game), then I highly doubt he's scum here.
There is always always always at least one scum on the Rodemy wagon. I know this because I am town, and all of the flipped town players are spread out enough that it leaves only one (1) room for scum to possibly be OFF the wagon (Kosa). It's not Seppel or Ophidia. I doubt it's AG, and I ~kinda doubt it's zomg. That leaves you!
Smaller thing: you're accusing AG of taking advantage of your lack of posting, which. You literally never mentioned your posting would be lacking, neither in this game thread nor in the signups.
Blah.
Two scum in [Iso, Kosa, AG, zomg].
Y'all should post more so I can try to figure this game out. I have varying degrees of townreads on, uh. Everyone except (?) Iso. Which is a problem!
Hm.
That bites.
Iso: Ophidia (L-3)
Not Voting:
AtheistGod, Iso, Kosakosa, Vaimes, Zomgarcwind
With 6 alive, it's 4 to lynch.
Deadline is 28 October.
Aren't lynches usually half +1?
I don't need to announce "I work from noon to nine" for people to be able to notice the general times I'm able to make posts. Like...the fact that I wasn't able to get a post in before Day 1 ended after Seppel's hammer is REALLY easy to take advantage of and it's concerning me that you aren't wrapping your head around that.
And sure, I'm a downright frightening player - but you also just saw a game where I got lynched Day 1 as town because I had to deploy my feelers to catch the scum. (Which, by the way, I eventually did do.) So I admit that I can have some off games, and I'm not always the be-all-end-all-scumcatching-god. I just happen to be right a lot of the time reqlly early on. But I've not had he luxury of time - both from Day 1 being cut short, which is when I like to generate the most reactions - and due to the fact that I'm not generally able to post before 6 pm on a given weekday. Couple this with the fact that I'm rarely home when I'm not at work and it results in "3 town dead and Iso hasn't busted any heads yet" on Day 2.
You're basing your read on my availability when it's simply incorrect to do so in this instance. (And you're eating AG's crap about it, to boot!)
So, now that you've realized the error in your meta read on AG, how do you feel about him?
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Also, I tend to thrive more in larger games where I can draw more connections between players, as Electron Cloud relies heavily on that.
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No rush.
I'll give thoughts on AG once he's posted more, as well.
In fact, I'm just gonna chill here, unless people have dire questions for me. I've laid out nearly everything I'm thinking.
You don't seem to have any disagreements with the actual arguments I put forward and are instead going off about availability.
Which doesn't surprise me, considering you're scum, but yeah.
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@Vaimes: Roger that.
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I haven't read your posts closely enough? OK, hold my hand through this with some quotes. Where do you deny my argument outside of calling me scum? Where did I supply crap to be eaten up about your availability?
On a separate point, and this may be a little WIFOMy but I felt like it's worth mentioning. Why would I have concocted a plot to frame you instead of just shooting Ophidia? Building a plan around you both being the bodyguard and protecting GJ just so that you appear scummy is pretty difficult when I could just shoot Ophidia and wipe out the only clear town. Why would I have taken the harder route?
Vote Kosa
To be honest, his analysis is pretty true. Iso and Vaimes' interaction does sound like acting.
Iso's claims about being BG are also unsteady, and simply by saying that you miscounted does not resolve my suspicions.
Therefore, Vote Iso
Iso: Zomgarcwind, Ophidia (L-2)
Not Voting:
AtheistGod, Iso, Kosakosa, Vaimes
With 6 alive, it's 4 to lynch.
Deadline is 28 October.
zomg, you think Iso and I are setting ME up to get to LyLo, when...I could just keep my mouth shut and let Iso's BG fakeclaim carry us to victory, since scum only need one more mislynch to win?
I didn't have a vote because lol Seppel ending the Day super early.
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I have a post I've been sitting on that I'll paste once more people actually, y'know. Play.
Will have time later on, I believe.
Iso: Ophidia (L-3)
Not Voting:
AtheistGod, Iso, Kosakosa, Vaimes, Zomgarcwind
With 6 alive, it's 4 to lynch.
Deadline is 28 October.
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I'd really like to see your thoughts on Iso.
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Everyone pretty much dropped off the face of the earth when I brought up the possibility of a scum gambit.
I have an old post I wrote up and have been waiting to post once other people have given thoughts, and so far that hasn't really happened.
I want to lynch [name].
I would not mind lynching [name].
I would rather not lynch [name].
I will not lynch [name].
I will be going last. Refusal to commit to reads will be met with no mercy and much judgement.
zomg: starts talking about something else
Vaimes: That still doesn't make sense.
Please fill out the form. Or go back and try clarifying your answer.
You aren't getting anything extra when you haven't contributed yourself.
Because.
I did.
You know I think Iso is scum. I've laid out why. I have an idea as for what the scumteam is, but I would like to know where other people stand.
I've pointed out why your theory that scum!Iso is prepping scum!me for LyLo when his fakeclaim is infinitely more likely to win us the game is dumb. And then you started talking about Ophidia
I want you to lay out a narrative about this game, and why it's gone the way it has because person x and person y are the scumteam.
Dodge my polite and reasonable request one more time.
Because even if the Vig hadn't gone off, scum!BG could just say they were Roleblocked again if we lynched anyone BUT the actual Roleblocker.
Like I said earlier it was almost posted Iso and Unknown, but out of the people left I couldnt really see anything that pointed Kosa, Oph, or AG as his partner.
One thing I will say, I really want to hear Iso's re-read, and I want to hear Vaimes post as well. Between that and Vaime's VLA until monday i am going to Unvote with the intention of using this weekend to get some discussions in before we make mistakes[/quote]I can think of a good reason why his potential partner isn't Kosa, Oph, or AG. But I'll save that for later.
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Ball is in your court and has been for quite a while now.
Later, d00dz.
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Iso: Ophidia (L-3)
Not Voting:
AtheistGod, Iso, Kosakosa, Vaimes, Zomgarcwind
With 6 alive, it's 4 to lynch.
Deadline is 28 October.
@Vaimes:
Meta is unreliable. How do you read AG's motivations in this game?
"Iso" and "lying" are certainly one of the most complementary word pairs I've ever seen lawl
But jokes aside, humour me this: Iso hardly was a point of contention D1. He was just there, skimming by.
So let's for a second pretend Iso is scum. Why would scum!Iso suddenly call all the attention to himself instead of... just claiming VT, keep himself blended in and attempt to sheep us by? That's the part I can't wrap my head about. Yes, Iso is a goddamn liar, but he's far from being stupid.
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@AG:
Why do you talk as if you were expecting, beyond doubt, a gambit to occur? Why, in your mind, a gambit makes more sense than simply laying low?
You barely entertain the possibility of a Bodyguard actually being in the game. How were you planning to discern whether a Bodyguard claim would be real or fake?
You're using sheer randomness and probability to call someone scum. Like, really?
This whole part is lots of WIFOM and meta-based logic, but the bolded (my emphasis) is flat-out fabricated.
The only non-RVS post GJ talks about Iso is this one:
GJ mostly spent the Day talking about Seppel and mechanics, not Iso, and that's a fact. As in, non-debatable. What are you up to here?
The only thing I'm virtually 100% sure is that you aren't town on town slapping (because that would require the scumteam to be Vaimes and zomg, and if that's the case they're the best 2016 scumteam period.)
There's a bizarre thought on my head right now but I'll wait until my questions are answered.
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Iso:
No, I'm asking why you completely ignored Seppel if you knew he was lying.
Actually, this was what you said (and the only thing you said on the matter):
Why weren't you worried about scum!Seppel as you should have been if you're town?
HUMBLE ISO
THIS AINT ISO
KILL IT WITH FIRE
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@zomg:
I don't get this part at all.
Other than that, great post. I like the analysis generally speaking, and, although a minor point, the fact that you took and made notes on Ophidia despite him being 100% town shows the effort in attempting to solve the game.
I think that covers it all for now.
Here's a list of all possible scumteams, after discarding duplicates, teams that include one person twice, and teams I don't believe in (which are listed next):
zomg/AG
Kosa/zomg
Iso/Kosa
Teams I'm going to eliminate:
Iso/AG > They're both putting a decent amount of thought/effort into painting each other as scum in a way that I don't see as distancing. Especially when they could both turn on me for accusing Iso of lying and (perhaps) easily make me the game-winning mislynch.
Kosa/AG > AG knew Ophidia claimed Vig Day 1, and Kosa didn't. The "Uhh no he didn't?" looks genuine enough, and I don't believe Kosa would bother faking that as scum.
Iso/zomg > zomg's recent hop onto Iso is eh, probably not scumbuddies. I don't think there's any world where Iso and zomg are scum together and Iso tells him to start bussing like this, especially if Iso is scum and fakeclaiming.
I ~kind of want to eliminate any team involving Kosa, tbh. I just flat-out don't think he's mafia, though his "that's a great post, zomg!" is thbtbtbtbtbtbt. The Ophidia reread just looks like pandering, his Iso reread looks like he /started/ with the assumption that Iso is scum and didn't actually think about it, and the way he's been treating me this game is bizarre. "You're trying to take control of the game by sharing reads!" is ???. Accusing me and Iso of being scum together and asserting that I'M the one we're trying to get to LyLo is ???. Agreeing with my posts and slotting me as scum is ???. I dunno man.
If I bite the bullet and clear Kosa, that would leave three names for two mafia to reside in: [zomg, Iso, AG]. It'd be fantastic if we could land the scum Roleblocker toDay and clear Iso, but I'm not holding my breath. In any case, we probably don't lynch Iso toDay and, in the world where he's scum, try to get his buddy first. Because I'd rather lose to a good gambit than lead a lynch on the town BG, I think.
Which means I want to lynch zomg or AG. Mostly zomg; AG is just sort of "there" now that my metaread on him has been revoked.
If someone disagrees with any of the teams I've eliminated, please share why. With details and support.
I mean, obviously I'm town, but you don't know that - so why handwave this particular interaction?
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I don't think you've answered the questions he asked /before/ that post?
Also I don't think Kosa scum. Feel free to make a case if you disagree.
Anyway, I'm here now (I got distracted with Magic cards) and I'm going to commence my re-read.
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Duh.
Alright, we're currently trying to figure out:
* Vaimes
* Kosa
* AG
* Arcwind (I forgot who was in this slot for a moment)
So, let's get to it.
Page 1:
I think that Vaimes's opening was fine, and as stated, I like his effort. It feels like he's the primary non-Iso player trying to solve the game, at this juncture. If Vaimes is scum, he deserves the win for trying harder than everyone else.
Crossing Vaimes off the list.
I think AG is scum for reasons I've already stated, but I'm going to see if that holds true in this re-read. His opening is null.
Arcwind's opening post is extremely uninspiring. It's basically "I don't see much going on, but I'm not going to do anything to fix that." Do not like.
AG takes a potshot at Arcwind but I don't remember it going anywhere. Possible scum interaction.
Kosa's opener is fine.
AG makes a joke about me claiming after Kosa's vote, which feels out of place given his serious comment to Arcwind before.
Arcwind says he wants to give me time to respond to everyone...but everyone voting me is doing so for RVS reasons. I find it difficult to wrap my head around him not realizing that.
Arcwind sounds concerned, almost panicked, about Rodemy's vote on him. I could see possible genuine confusion here, but he doesn't feel like he's trying to solve Rodemy, only like he's trying to get Rodemy off his back.
Kosa's reaction to Seppel's claim feels natural, especially because of the double post. This is actually consistent with Kosa questioning why I didn't react to Seppel's claim, though I'm a little uncertain as to why he'd care so much about my opinion on the matter, in particular, as opposed to questioning anyone else on it.
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I don't like Arcwind's complete lack of analysis or questioning, here, though I legitimately don't remember how he played in the game we were just in, nor what caused me to push for his lynch so early on in that game. I definitely wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt in this game because I didn't want to be wrong about him again, but his play has been active lurking, to this point.
AG moves his vote over to Rodemy with yet another joke post, this time in response to Ophidia. No questioning, no analysis.
Kosa's response to Rodemy is fine, though again, I'd still like to know why I'm the only person in particular that he questioned about the reaction to Seppel's claim.
@Kosa: You later then make a post about how Seppel's claim makes him scum because "But claiming Doc potentially raises the eyebrows of ANY town PRs we could have because they would KNOW FOR A FACT that Seppel is lying." Why wouldn't you just assume I was a town PR in this case?
Actually, that probably makes Kosa town, because I don't think he'd pass up the opportunity to NK townpowerIso.
Re-read over.
It's AG + Arcwind.
Let's do this.
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Votecount:
Iso: Ophidia (L-3)
Zomgarcwind: Vaimes (L-3)
Not Voting:
AtheistGod, Iso, Kosakosa, Zomgarcwind
With 6 alive, it's 4 to lynch.
Deadline is 28 October.
I was planning on mentioning the possibility of a gambit and have it be a discussion point to gauge town reactions, although I'd lean towards it being a true claim. Having that information in the open for the town ti discuss feels much safer than letting the scum sit and think about whether to go for the gambit later; a true bodyguard claim coming out later would be very annoying to deal with if we hadn't already found the roleblocker. Iso claiming bodyguard and then claiming to have been roleblocked on top of it just feels like much more of a gambit than some other player claiming to be the bodyguard.
Yes, just from the bodyguard claim Iso would be quite a bit more likely to be scum than town. It's not the standard I'd like to use, but after the short day 1, it's what we have.
When I was looking over GJ's posts, that reminded me of Wessel in Unseen University (who was killed n1 by scumIso). Note: Iso never argued against this point and sees to agree that GJ is who he would kill. Again, not conclusive but it fits a scumIso.
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Rodemy was doing the followup questions on zomg and I didn't get into any real analysis before day 1 ended.
It was a continuation of the joke regarding Ophidia's "I'm town" assertion. The reasoning for the vote was "Rodemy is the next person after Ophidia on the player list."
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I'm leaning towards zomg as the second scum.
zomg's early posts about Iso could fit an inexperienced scum player interacting with his buddy. zomg mentioned TF2 where he was mislynched day 1. His posts in TF2 are quite a bit longer and seem rather relaxed compared to his posting in this game.
Fixed the votecount.
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And though it may be possible for /other/ people, it's certainly not likely to be what you're proposing (that Iso is prepping me for LyLo).
But I'm town, so that's irrelevant.
Vaimes, comment on my bigpost.
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