Rod's age was an RVS question. No longer relevant.[/url]...um, can you explain it to me anyway?
[quote=Vaimes]It was a serious statement.
Ok.
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It was a yes/no question. Answering a yes/no question with yes or no is not obnoxious.
It's not obnoxious to Rhand (as long as he remembers his question). It's obnoxious to anyone else because we have to spend time tracking down Rhand's question to understand what you're answering.
I disliked Ghosting at first, but his Omega read seems correct, so I dunno. He might be town, he might be bussing. Omega is a much more solid read.
It just feels odd for you to say "surprise, it was a trap! and I caught Ghosting"...words words words..."oh hai, Ghosting, good points!" all in the same post. It makes me feel like your "trap" wasn't all that serious to begin with.
That said, I think you'd be much more careful with something like that as scum, so you're still in my townpile.
Are you scum? Since you are new here i will let you in on the rules:
If i ask you, you have to tell me if you are.
Guys I dont usually ever scumread people in RVS but this actually seems scummy
How you doing Rhand, you seem chipper today
Atog calling it scummy (reason pending.) acknowledging Rhand.
Rhand talks back. Says Atog is right about me, odd he just agreed it was scummy. Atog could have found it scummy for a completely different reason, but saying he was right without him giving an explination feels like he is just jumping onto a pre rodemy wagon.
Just to make sure that I don't die on the first two days, I am McCree, the vanilla town.
Sure, I'll believe an unprompted page one VT claim.
Right there. You didn't believe it. That post drips with sarcasm.
Vaimes: (-1)
Next post, vaimes calls ophi town after i call him out. He casually shrugs it off actually. I can see town vaimes doing this, but the lack of concern (even with someone who is salty) pings my scumdar. Not making a big deal over a very unnatural move from town. Can't fault him too much but it makes me wonder if he is protecting Ophi.
Not just that, but every game I played on this forum either ended in two days or had me die ASAP.
Here, ophi adds a reason not relevant to claiming...
the game "ended in two days" Why mention that at all? You claiming isn't going to stop a game from ending in a certain amount of days.
and looking at the player count, that isn't even possible.
And adding onto vaimes comment, as if vaimes knew exactly why he did it. It doesn't mesh well again. Paranoid!Rodemy is a knocking.
And here
"Killing vanilla town is obviously worse than killing town members with abilities. Your suspicions on me is actually better for my plan to survive and prevent maf from nightkilling me. I just have to not get lynched D1"
No. Killing VT is not worse.
Yeah, if you are town, maf might keep you alive to throw around some mud, but guess who gave them the hose and dirt pile: You. Thanks for doing that buddy *sarcasm*
Very not pro town tbh.
Ophi comes back asking me why i am trying to get him lynched when he KNEW what he did was bad. He even mentioned that he didn't run it by eco.. *looks around*
I'm not gonna lie, I want to town read Vaimes for this post. (And I agree that Oph is probably town)
I swear i missed something. How is that post AI?
Red Barns me. I like that someone else found it scummy. If i am wrong, i can see scum barning me because i am making the most noise and boom they can use that. But, unfortunatly i can't tell unless ophi flips.
Just to make sure that I don't die on the first two days, I am McCree, the vanilla town.
unvote vote ophidia
Whelp. Guess rvs is over.
Why are you claiming with no pressure?
When were you ever in fear of dying?
Why do you think a vanilla claim will stop you from dying?
Answer or get lynched.
Dammit, I meant to /barn this
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Yeah, /barn samesies here. This pinged me immediately, however, the explanation that he dies early a lot hits close to home for me, and completely explains the action. I think it comes more from a town!Oph perspective than a scum one.
I then didn't like Rodemy not letting off the gas. He since has with a believable reason. So, poop there.
Vote Rhand for old time sake
Hunt, you barn a post where i go at it at ophi.. but then get an opposite read of him than me?
This is the first game I've not wanted to lynch Rhand in the first few of his posts.
Consequently every other game I've played with him he has been scum.
But Atogs obv scum.
Vote Atog
I feel like this post has the wrong vote concidering it's tone. You explain more why you want to lynch rhand than atog, but vote for atog. Why didn't you put the effort more into why you wanted to vote atog over rhand?
Rhand, in your experience, how is "not having fun" and "voting someone not in the game" scumtells? Where did this work for you?
You change your read of my joke in your case on me, btw. You replied to it with a jokester mood and then regress to say it was intimidating, when, in reality, you joined in...
Ooooooo Rhand..
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Vaimes somehow didn't know Ophidia had a mentor ([url=http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/forum-games/mafia/765782-overwatch-mafia-day-1-reunited-and-it-feels-so?comment=67]#67[/url])
@Omega and Hunt: I understand that you agree with Rodemy that Ophidia shouldn't have claimed. I agree too. But what do you think of Rodemy's post itself? The tone of it?
Seems a bit aggressive, but other than that, I guess I am not seeing whatever you are
I hadn't looked at it from a tonal perspective.
I'd say the same as smoke here. It's not pinging me the same as you, but it seems very in your face. I don't think in the forefront Rod is necessarily scum Rod. I need a little m I really, but your case makes logical sense, so town points for you.
It makes logical sense if you read into what other people think the tone of posts are.
Most of his case is "The tone of this is (negative)" When in reality my town is not.
Fairly certain Ophidia is town because I planned on doing the exact same thing he did. Also, he has a mentor and did it, before asking the mentor, further making me believe he’s town. Sure he could do that as scum, but he has a lot less to gain and much more to risk. As a noob (if you’re not a noob, my apologies), claiming VT straight up seems more likely than scum, which I imagine you’d be more paranoid and cautious first run around.
Post #37 by shadowlancer read interestingly to me, but lean town.
Post #44: At this point I actually think Rodemy is just eager town trying to actively hunt and getting a lot of attention too quickly for something I could totally see myself doing as town. Earlier his posts seemed like scum trying to create an easy mislynch, but as it progressed it seems much more like eager town theory-gaming and tunneling. More interested in Rhand and how quickly he jumped on and supported the Rodemy wagon. Going to look over that in a bit.
Huntz reading town for active posts like #101 and #118. Overall attitude and genuine lines of questioning come off as inherently town.
You are misinforming the masses, sir. He DID run it by eco (see earlier in this post).Why did you plan on doing the same thing?
I agree that rhand hopping on the opposite of that seemed very suspicious. If you can see yourself totally doing that as town, why aren't you doing it? Wouldn't that be the opposite of what town!Ghosting would do?
Any variation of "idk" is unacceptable. Fire from the hip. There's no wrong answer.
Except "idk" ...
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Rhand changed his read on me. And then, as if we didn't already know he thought ophi was town (lets say for his side of the Rod/Ophi dibaccle 2016)
not gonna scumread for this. Just point out that it was unneccesary.
He is then spreading a little paranoia about Atog, seeing as he is a little suspicious at the moment, i can see scum pushing the light over to him.
Where did this "Red is scum" come from? I read him and I can't get a scumread from him. maybe i like his questions...
Vaimes and Rhand seem to be going in the exact same direction this game, it's strange.
God damnit Cantrip... your wall is ugly. Plz redo. thnx
I disliked Ghosting at first, but his Omega read seems correct, so I dunno. He might be town, he might be bussing. Omega is a much more solid read.
again pushing and Omega lynch. Eager beaver we got here, even tho you wanted to.. wait? Hmmmmm RHHHAAAAAAAAANNND
Rhand:(-4)
ah yes cantrip much better <3
I do think that ophi was severly coached by eco when his reads started moving away from scum me. That whole post where i was impressed seemed very well thought and mentored. So townie points for that.
Cantrip explains the Omega read. Sweet. Thanks.
Okay so...
Obv i still think rhand is scum. But maybe that is how he plays? Idfk.
Also Eco did not even coach me on my reads of you. He said not to talk about his mentorship in game, but he only gave me advice twice. Clearing Rodemy is my own action.
@Rodemy: I was trying to keep up RVS. Which I think is the answer to everything you said about me?
Not really. When your scumread of me was based off a joke that you played into as well, and then said you couldn't tell it was a joke. can you see why i think that is scummy?
Also Eco did not even coach me on my reads of you. He said not to talk about his mentorship in game, but he only gave me advice twice. Clearing Rodemy is my own action.
Honestly, from the short amount of time i played with you, i find it hard to believe. But you keep saying that.
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@Everyone doing so (including Oph): continuing to talk about mentors in this game is angleshooty and should probably stop. It's using OoG info to get a read one way or another.
@Rodemy: I had no idea what Vaimes wanted your age for, but the post just seemed townie for some reason that I can't put my finger on really. I've really liked Vaimes' posts since then, especially the stance on Oph (cause I could totally see scum capitalizing on a perceived easy lynch).
@Hunt: What are your feelings about this game so far? I remember big bad hunt who came at me in Bare Bones and didn't let up, so far this game you've been subdued.
@Omega: I initially had stuff written out here, but realized you haven't actually responded to the votes on you yet, so I'm going to wait.
@DV: So far you've posted twice, both about Atog (and not wanting to lynch Rhand), do you have any strong feelings about other players?
Sure, I had guesses as to what Vaimes planned to do (I was going to go with vote you if you were over a certain age, or someone else if you were under it) but at a point when you were already starting to take heat for RVS stuff anyway, Vaimes question about your age just felt carefree, the kind you wouldn't think of it you knew the person you were talking to was an enemy.
Sure, I had guesses as to what Vaimes planned to do (I was going to go with vote you if you were over a certain age, or someone else if you were under it) but at a point when you were already starting to take heat for RVS stuff anyway, Vaimes question about your age just felt carefree, the kind you wouldn't think of it you knew the person you were talking to was an enemy.
See, you lead with that.
Well *****.
I am outta reads.
Did i miss anything?
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Why do I start out every Rodemy game convinced he's town because NO SCUM spews wordvomit so recklessly around the thread like that, then spend the rest of the game wondering if he's neutral and uncertain of how to play his role?
@Rodemy:
• Several of your (-1) point awards in that wall seem to be OMGUS, or at the very least, "I don't like you because you disagree with me". The first point you award to Hunt especially.
• I think most the people who have commented on Ophidia's "Eco said it was a bad move" statement were of the opinion that he didn't ask Eco first (before Ophidia stated that explicitly). I think you should accept that you misinterpreted Ophidia's statement and move on. Stop beating dead horses.
• You say
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Rhand changed his read on me. And then, as if we didn't already know he thought ophi was town (lets say for his side of the Rod/Ophi dibaccle 2016)
not gonna scumread for this. Just point out that it was unneccesary.
It almost sounds like that first sentence is unfinished. Did you mean to add more?
• Why do you find it strange that Vaimes and Rhand are going the same direction this game?
• You're happy that I expounded on Omega, but you don't indicate whether you agree or disagree with what I say. In fact, you then go on to say that you may just barn me because I'm more experienced. And then you end your wall with a whole lot of negative points against people and no vote. Freakin' take a stand.
...is about as far from helpful as possible. Yes, Kitty hasn't posted since the confirmation. Yes, s/he needs to post. But it's only been a day since the game began; stop making noise for scum to hide behind. I don't agree with everything you said in your wall, but there's some effort and good ideas in there. This last post just feels like you trying to keep the focus on yourself.
Omgosh, why did my url's not work? Argh. I have to go afk, but I'll try to make a new post that's readable in a little bit. Sorry. In the meantime, just read between the lines, I guess...
Actually you totally nailed it Cantrip. I can understand people jumping on Oph for claiming in such a crappy way, but Oph's reason for doing so is sound and seems townie to me. Rodemy was about the same. The fight feels completely Town vs Town to me.
Obv, you have more of an issue with my gameplay. Not like i can really change that.
Vaimes and rhand both started going after me for the ophi thing, then they both switch the omega generally around the same time. I just find that odd. Almost teamy.
As for going with your lead, *shrug* you seem like a good person to follow. Obv i can't lead. Look where that got me.
Word vomit? I prefer the term head splooge
I think i play mafia by assuming everyone is scum until proven otherwise, hince the "numerous negative points"
If you see, vaimes was in the positive! So nyah
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@Everyone doing so (including Oph): continuing to talk about mentors in this game is angleshooty and should probably stop. It's using OoG info to get a read one way or another.
@Rodemy: I had no idea what Vaimes wanted your age for, but the post just seemed townie for some reason that I can't put my finger on really. I've really liked Vaimes' posts since then, especially the stance on Oph (cause I could totally see scum capitalizing on a perceived easy lynch).
@Hunt: What are your feelings about this game so far? I remember big bad hunt who came at me in Bare Bones and didn't let up, so far this game you've been subdued.
@Omega: I initially had stuff written out here, but realized you haven't actually responded to the votes on you yet, so I'm going to wait.
@DV: So far you've posted twice, both about Atog (and not wanting to lynch Rhand), do you have any strong feelings about other players?
I hear you on that. I'm reading everything, and nothing is jumping out at me as overtly scummy. I got pretty lucky with the No Lynch gambit on you in all seriousness, but once I find something that I can sink my teeth into, I'll let you know.
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Actually you totally nailed it Cantrip. I can understand people jumping on Oph for claiming in such a crappy way, but Oph's reason for doing so is sound and seems townie to me. Rodemy was about the same. The fight feels completely Town vs Town to me.
And then I RVS'd Rhand because I wanted to do so.
O...kay... It just feels odd to me for you to continue rvs after that point.
This is again a noob question, but how many scum do we have this game? I was thinking 3.
Probably. Four would seem scum-heavy unless there's a lot of power on the town side, and two would be ridiculously town-weighted. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a neutral, though.
I don't mind silliness (I actually employ it from time to time), but Rodemy: you've made almost a third of the posts in this thread, and a lot of them are just you yelling whatever comes into your head. I recall this being your playstyle from when I was active a while back, and it still seems to be the case. You'd be amazed at what you can learn by (sometimes) closing your mouth and opening your ears. (I'm not trying to be snarky here. You see me as an experienced player? This is serious advice.) If you had made that post when the thread was a little quiet and not much else was going on/you hadn't posted in a while, I wouldn't have brought attention to it. I found it funny; just not helpful.
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Obv, you have more of an issue with my gameplay. Not like i can really change that.
Actually, you can. But it takes conscious effort. And if you don't wan't to change, don't. But know that in the meantime, every scumteam will love to see you in the townpile because they'll be able to sit back and let your excessive posting cover up their silences.
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Vaimes and rhand both started going after me for the ophi thing, then they both switch the omega generally around the same time. I just find that odd. Almost teamy.
Ok, then say that. Not that it's "odd", but that you feel like they're working together.
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As for going with your lead, *shrug* you seem like a good person to follow. Obv i can't lead. Look where that got me.
Hey, you can follow me all you like, but if you're not thinking for yourself and expressing why you agree, then you're just barning a stronger player, which will eventually get you in trouble.
Ooh, someone finally committed the "mention Neutrals for no reason" scumtell.
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Why do I start out every Rodemy game convinced he's town because NO SCUM spews wordvomit so recklessly around the thread like that, then spend the rest of the game wondering if he's neutral and uncertain of how to play his role?
Do you think this about Rod specifically, every game you play with him? How many times have you played with him and thought this?
I do think rhand and atog could be working together as well. Rhands agreeance that my joke to kitty was scummy feels like it stemmed from atof calling it that and he ran with it.
It just lingers in the back of my head.
Having never played with him, i cant tell if he is just a scummy town player with his RVS "scumtells" (which rhand you missed the question about whether or not they have worked before)
Or he is scum pulling tells from his butt.
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Ooh, someone finally committed the "mention Neutrals for no reason" scumtell.
Oh, I have a reason. What do you think if I tell you that I knew that was a "known" scumtell?
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Why do I start out every Rodemy game convinced he's town because NO SCUM spews wordvomit so recklessly around the thread like that, then spend the rest of the game wondering if he's neutral and uncertain of how to play his role?
Do you think this about Rod specifically, every game you play with him? How many times have you played with him and thought this?
Yes, it's hard to play a game with Rodemy and not know that you're playing a game with Rodemy. And yes, I remember frequently--likely every game--thinking along these lines. It's been over a year since my last game, so I can't cite specifics without doing some research.
I do think rhand and atog could be working together as well. Rhands agreeance that my joke to kitty was scummy feels like it stemmed from atof calling it that and he ran with it.
So...looking at the exchange:
Here is kitty's initial post, Rodemy's response, and Rhand's first comment. Rhand obviously recognizes it as a joke.
Are you scum? Since you are new here i will let you in on the rules:
If i ask you, you have to tell me if you are.
You forgot to add that he should do that in scumchat. Quickly tell him or he'll out your whole team here before you know it!
I like coinfarms.
Here's Atog's response. I would have loved to have heard Atog's reasoning for finding it scummy before this, but I'm not sure how unbiased his response will be at this point.
Are you scum? Since you are new here i will let you in on the rules:
If i ask you, you have to tell me if you are.
Guys I dont usually ever scumread people in RVS but this actually seems scummy
How you doing Rhand, you seem chipper today
Next is Rhand's assertion that Atog is correct to find it scummy. I don't find Rhand's avoidance of reasoning here to be suspect, as he's continuing to fish for rvs tells.
Guys I dont usually ever scumread people in RVS but this actually seems scummy
How you doing Rhand, you seem chipper today
Aye
@rhand and Atog. Share with the class how it seems scummy.
Rodemy goes on the uberdefensive after Vaimes applies pressure; the linking of Rhand and Atog seems like something Rodemy would do regardless of alignment, when faced with two people attacking him without explaining why.
@Ophidia: eating the NK as vanilla is a good thing. That's what vanilla's are for.
@Vaimes: was there sarcasm in your initial reaction to Ophidia?
@Shadow: I really put a lot of stock in RVS tells. I would've liked to see it go on a while longer. Some people haven't even posted yet, including the one that had my RVS vote. Since it clearly is over now: unvote, vote Rodemy
I'll make a mini-case when I'm on a pc.
@omega: why barn Rodemy's post about ophidia but not vote?
Rodemy's frustrated that no one's saying why it's scummy:
Ophi if you want a sucm game of mine, read bare bones.
You are basing your scumread of me off a 5 page play while i am getting on you about a p1 rvs claim.
See where the weight is?
I joked with kitty because, believe or not, i thought of it before game. So it isnt really alignment indicative.
Explain to me why you ( AND RHAND AND ATOG) think that was scummy.
This post was a double-post after the previous one. This was where, in my initial readthrough, I thought "this feels like CFTWR", but I'm pretty sure that I've thought that about town!Rodemy before. I think Rodemy has an overinflated sense of injustice, and just can't stand to be accused without reason.
Please tell me how that stupid joke makes me scum.
Here is the thing:
I voted tordeck for completely different reasons in that game than whyni am voting you.
I swear you are refusing to remember i was the target of a quick mislynch because of it.
No i didnt "bombard" him with questions, but i did question the validity of his accusations.
Look at d1. You can clearly tell i was adement on finding out why he wasnt going after hunt.
I fought. I asked why huntzilla wasnt being questioned.
It is there.
And then Rhand posts his case, which basically boils down to "Rodemy isn't having any fun." While I can see where Rhand is coming from, and I think the case makes him more likely to be town, I disagree that Rodemy isn't having fun. This is how Rodemy rolls. I particularly disagree with the "Rodemy was condescending to Kitty" comment.
Other things:
@Omega and Hunt: I understand that you agree with Rodemy that Ophidia shouldn't have claimed. I agree too. But what do you think of Rodemy's post itself? The tone of it?
@D_V: why is Atog scum?
@Rhand: Why do you put so much stock in RVS tells? I've had *some* luck with them, but I generally take them with a very large grain of salt.
@Rhand and Rodemy: Have the two of you seriously never played a game together?
FYI Rhand coming in with a lean scum read on me is fun because I just said I think he's scum. He likes my read on red_omega, but aside from that, all he says is that I fell for a trap, and made Vaimes fall for the same trap. This is all in post #142, so @Rhand: where in your post do you explain the scum read against me -- and if not in the post, then why do you feel that way? Do you feel it might have anything to do with me being suspicious of you upon initial reading?
@Cantripmancer: Upon review of post #37, I actually like it. So you know though, I originally didn’t like his town read and how he presented it of Vaimes, just for Vaimes asking Rod’s age before voting. Now, it reads fairly genuinely and his question to Rodemy comes across as attempting to figure out the game which earns town point from me.
I agree with Ophidia’s post #153 about red_Omega, but it being literally identical to what I said about red_Omega makes me wonder if he read the post and is just barning what was said to make his jump on the wagon more credible. Cantripmancer also suggests the same in his post #152, and I agree with much of it. I don’t think it’s incriminating to the point that we’ve caught scum, but I do think it’s a good place for pressure to be applied; same with Rhand.
@Rodemy: You’ve given a lot of posts scum points. In fact, in post #157, almost all of the posts get scum points. As the player with the second most town score on the list (-1 compared to Vaimes’ +1, and Huntz -2, Atog’s -3, and Rhand’s -4), it should be obvious I’m not upset with my place on the scoring, but aren’t players who post more the most likely to receive the worst score? If by the end of the day we have 1000 posts, and one player posted 100 posts, compared to another player’s 10 posts, the player with 100 posts’ score could naturally be far lower than the player with 10, so you could end up creating perceptions of players that aren’t accurate to their scuminess.
@Zomg: Why did you make your rvs-vote (#21) a drawing?
because ive had that damn picture saved on my phone since the day she signed up in the thread. I did not draw that alone, i had help lol. Incase you or anyone else missed it thats my sister and this is her first game
Ah...ok, that makes me feel a little better about you. You "voting" with a picture is similar to the mild scumtell of voting for someone outside the game. It makes people remember you as having voted, but you didn't bold your vote, so it's not an actual vote (as reflected in the votecount). Scum, often newer scum, want to avoid committing to a target too early.
But if you had it drawn up from the time she signed up, that helps explain it a bit.
I know it hasn't been that long since Omega posted, but he should come back and respond.
I know it hasn't been that long since Omega posted, but he should come back and respond.
I have been very busy today, was unable to get caught up with the thread until literally this moment, and do not have time to respond to anything relevant now. I am only posting now to give notice that I will most likely be even more busy over the next 3-4 days, and unable to read or post at all.
Anything I need to address will have to wait until early next week; so cool it until then
@Cantripmancer: Upon review of post #37, I actually like it. So you know though, I originally didn’t like his town read and how he presented it of Vaimes, just for Vaimes asking Rod’s age before voting. Now, it reads fairly genuinely and his question to Rodemy comes across as attempting to figure out the game which earns town point from me.
But...you originally said it was "interesting, but lean town [on Shadow]". So now you're saying that you originally didn't like it, but now that you've looked at it again, you like it and you (again/still) think Shadow is town? Wut?
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I agree with Ophidia’s post #153 about red_Omega, but it being literally identical to what I said about red_Omega makes me wonder if he read the post and is just barning what was said to make his jump on the wagon more credible. Cantripmancer also suggests the same in his post #152, and I agree with much of it. I don’t think it’s incriminating to the point that we’ve caught scum, but I do think it’s a good place for pressure to be applied; same with Rhand.
Small nitpick: Ophidia's post ("Omega's questions sound weird; how does that question contribute?") isn't "literally identical" to your #139 ("feels pretty lazy/pointless. This doesn't necessarily imply scum, just that I feel it's less likely to come from town. Doesn't really read as genuine participation, just floating along and trying to blend in/look like he's trying"), but I get what you're saying. However, he hasn't jumped on the wagon (no vote), and I feel like there was enough original thought...any slight potential scumtell that this might be certainly doesn't outweigh Ophidia's towniness from that VT claim.
What do you mean by "same with Rhand" (that Rhand made similar points, or that Rhand is a good place for pressure to be applied)?
I know it hasn't been that long since Omega posted, but he should come back and respond.
I have been very busy today, was unable to get caught up with the thread until literally this moment, and do not have time to respond to anything relevant now. I am only posting now to give notice that I will most likely be even more busy over the next 3-4 days, and unable to read or post at all.
Anything I need to address will have to wait until early next week; so cool it until then
@cantrip
I have never played a game with rhand that i remember..
And tbh i barely remember any games with you.. like maybe.. one? (Porn star mafia?)
I'm...hurt. I'm not more memorable? Seriously, though, I know we've had a few. Porn Star, Sesame Street...we were scum together in Apocalypse, weren't we? I think there were several others. Maybe I'll have to dig through my archives...
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I like how you hit the nail on the head with that exchange.
@Rodemy / Cantrip: I've had good succes with RVS tells before. They are always a good start, and more often than you think are correct. It's just that by the time the scum is lynched, you forgot all about those tells, which is why people don't put as much stock in them as they deserve.
Voting the mod or an oog player is often done to not show up in votecounts or to not step on any toes early on, but this is a very weak one.
Not having fun in RVS is the biggest tell, although in this case I simply misjudged Rod's sense of humor.
@Ghosting: you're lean scum on my T/S because you want to pick sides in what I think is a town vs town discussion. You're not in the bottom because I agree with your posts on omega.
@Rodemy / Cantrip: I've had good succes with RVS tells before. They are always a good start, and more often than you think are correct. It's just that by the time the scum is lynched, you forgot all about those tells, which is why people don't put as much stock in them as they deserve.
Voting the mod or an oog player is often done to not show up in votecounts or to not step on any toes early on, but this is a very weak one.
Not having fun in RVS is the biggest tell, although in this case I simply misjudged Rod's sense of humor.
Ok, thanks for responding. On that note, where do you feel Zomg's picture vote falls? Potential scumtell or innocent fun?
Ill be honest, i know none of these wagons are gonna yield fruit, hopefully next time i check in between now and Monday i will have somewhere worth moving my vote to but these wagons are pathetic.
I don't have time to check right now, but I think this is the second time you've used "honest" verbiage in your posts when it didn't feel...appropriate. It almost comes off as nervous/wanting to sound like you're telling the truth. Why do you feel the need to point out that you're being "honest" about your opinion (thinking that no current wagon is going to go somewhere)?
As for apoco taco:that game was... me flailing like a mofo and if i remember you got lynched for not posting a lot the first few days.
I got killed by the SK for being too townie! It's true that I was awol for a lot, though.
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But i do know your brain is wonderful, your symphony mafia was complex and beautiful (i believe that was you.. if not please correct me)
Yes, that was mine. Thanks.
I'm sure there were other games, but I've been on hiatus for a while and can't remember. I wasn't really hurt that you didn't remember. Most people just remember me as a giant wall of text.
@Everyone doing so (including Oph): continuing to talk about mentors in this game is angleshooty and should probably stop. It's using OoG info to get a read one way or another.
@Rodemy: I had no idea what Vaimes wanted your age for, but the post just seemed townie for some reason that I can't put my finger on really. I've really liked Vaimes' posts since then, especially the stance on Oph (cause I could totally see scum capitalizing on a perceived easy lynch).
@Hunt: What are your feelings about this game so far? I remember big bad hunt who came at me in Bare Bones and didn't let up, so far this game you've been subdued.
@Omega: I initially had stuff written out here, but realized you haven't actually responded to the votes on you yet, so I'm going to wait.
@DV: So far you've posted twice, both about Atog (and not wanting to lynch Rhand), do you have any strong feelings about other players?
I think the Red case is bad.
IE reading him more as town.
Umm I've got some other opinions as well but I haven't devoted the time to this game quite yet. Check back with me on monday.
@DV: Talk to me more about Red, I've got him on the lower side of null, pending his addressing the pressure put on him. What do you see from him that says town?
The more I read it, the more I feel that Omega's questions sound weird.
Omega, how does this question help contribute to the overall analysis?
Ok.
It's not obnoxious to Rhand (as long as he remembers his question). It's obnoxious to anyone else because we have to spend time tracking down Rhand's question to understand what you're answering.
It just feels odd for you to say "surprise, it was a trap! and I caught Ghosting"...words words words..."oh hai, Ghosting, good points!" all in the same post. It makes me feel like your "trap" wasn't all that serious to begin with.
That said, I think you'd be much more careful with something like that as scum, so you're still in my townpile.
Rodemy(1): Atogaholic
Rhand(1): Huntzilla
Atogaholic(1): D_V
red_Omega(3): Vaimes, Rhand, Cantripmancer
V/LA Update: I'm also fairly busy during these holidays- visiting friends/family so I'll do my best to be here.
Null read, but funny how he mentioned iso instead of eco.
Null read also. Silly. Joking. Makes me wonder why he didn't get my joke.
I laughed. Nobody called him out on being the second vote on me in rvs.
Reasoning is funny. Null read.
wait.. rhand did recognize this as a joke. You even added to it.
Rhand:(-1)
Atog calling it scummy (reason pending.) acknowledging Rhand.
Rhand talks back. Says Atog is right about me, odd he just agreed it was scummy. Atog could have found it scummy for a completely different reason, but saying he was right without him giving an explination feels like he is just jumping onto a pre rodemy wagon.
Rhand:(-2)
Atog:(-1)
For those too lazy to click, it is a picture of a picture he drew that says vote kitty. Cute, but doesn't add to any votecount.
Also why did you vote kitty in rvs?
Ophis good ole claim. Not touching that in this post. already touched enough, actually. Mc Hammer was wrong.
I never asked vaimes what this meant.
vaimes. What does this mean?
Right there. You didn't believe it. That post drips with sarcasm.
Vaimes: (-1)
Next post, vaimes calls ophi town after i call him out. He casually shrugs it off actually. I can see town vaimes doing this, but the lack of concern (even with someone who is salty) pings my scumdar. Not making a big deal over a very unnatural move from town. Can't fault him too much but it makes me wonder if he is protecting Ophi.
Here, ophi adds a reason not relevant to claiming...
the game "ended in two days" Why mention that at all? You claiming isn't going to stop a game from ending in a certain amount of days.
and looking at the player count, that isn't even possible.
And adding onto vaimes comment, as if vaimes knew exactly why he did it. It doesn't mesh well again. Paranoid!Rodemy is a knocking.
And here
"Killing vanilla town is obviously worse than killing town members with abilities. Your suspicions on me is actually better for my plan to survive and prevent maf from nightkilling me. I just have to not get lynched D1"
No. Killing VT is not worse.
Yeah, if you are town, maf might keep you alive to throw around some mud, but guess who gave them the hose and dirt pile: You. Thanks for doing that buddy *sarcasm*
Very not pro town tbh.
Ophi comes back asking me why i am trying to get him lynched when he KNEW what he did was bad. He even mentioned that he didn't run it by eco.. *looks around*
[url=http://[url=http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/forum-games/mafia/765782-overwatch-mafia-day-1-reunited-and-it-feels-so?comment=46][/url]]HERE[/url]
Why did you go against your MENTORS advice?
I swear i missed something. How is that post AI?
Red Barns me. I like that someone else found it scummy. If i am wrong, i can see scum barning me because i am making the most noise and boom they can use that. But, unfortunatly i can't tell unless ophi flips.
Hunt, you barn a post where i go at it at ophi.. but then get an opposite read of him than me?
Explain how that is a barn...
I like rhands #49 question to Red.
Rhand:(-1)
I feel like this post has the wrong vote concidering it's tone. You explain more why you want to lynch rhand than atog, but vote for atog. Why didn't you put the effort more into why you wanted to vote atog over rhand?
Rhand, in your experience, how is "not having fun" and "voting someone not in the game" scumtells? Where did this work for you?
You change your read of my joke in your case on me, btw. You replied to it with a jokester mood and then regress to say it was intimidating, when, in reality, you joined in...
Ooooooo Rhand..
Rhand:(-2)
Vaimes somehow didn't know Ophidia had a mentor ([url=http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/forum-games/mafia/765782-overwatch-mafia-day-1-reunited-and-it-feels-so?comment=67]#67[/url])
I don't think i buy that.
It makes logical sense if you read into what other people think the tone of posts are.
Most of his case is "The tone of this is (negative)" When in reality my town is not.
Huntzilla:(-1)
/barn Good point. Why would you not immediatly wanna lynch me?
Rhand then tells me that my posts don't have "a lightness" to them..
yet still he added on to my kitty post, jokingly, knowing it was silly....
UGGGH. RHAAAAAAAAAND
Rhand:(-3)
Moving down, hunt can vouch for Rhands "scumtelling" but alas, he can't remember where...
Huntzilla:(-2)
Then vaimes posts his reads. And overall they seem logical and thought out. sooo town points for you!
Vaimes: (+1)
Gonna skip a bit onto when ghosting starts posting.
You are misinforming the masses, sir. He DID run it by eco (see earlier in this post).Why did you plan on doing the same thing?
I agree that rhand hopping on the opposite of that seemed very suspicious. If you can see yourself totally doing that as town, why aren't you doing it? Wouldn't that be the opposite of what town!Ghosting would do?
Ghosting:(-1)
I'm working on it :[
Except "idk" ...
._.
Rhand changed his read on me. And then, as if we didn't already know he thought ophi was town (lets say for his side of the Rod/Ophi dibaccle 2016)
not gonna scumread for this. Just point out that it was unneccesary.
He is then spreading a little paranoia about Atog, seeing as he is a little suspicious at the moment, i can see scum pushing the light over to him.
Where did this "Red is scum" come from? I read him and I can't get a scumread from him. maybe i like his questions...
Vaimes and Rhand seem to be going in the exact same direction this game, it's strange.
God damnit Cantrip... your wall is ugly. Plz redo. thnx
SO SCUM OMG..
Kidding. omg kidding. (try and flip that one against me, Rhand >:[ )
No it is very relevant. Shadow read you as town because of it. Explain the question.
again pushing and Omega lynch. Eager beaver we got here, even tho you wanted to.. wait? Hmmmmm RHHHAAAAAAAAANNND
Rhand:(-4)
ah yes cantrip much better <3
I do think that ophi was severly coached by eco when his reads started moving away from scum me. That whole post where i was impressed seemed very well thought and mentored. So townie points for that.
Cantrip explains the Omega read. Sweet. Thanks.
Okay so...
Obv i still think rhand is scum. But maybe that is how he plays? Idfk.
end points are as follows.
Rhand:(-4)
Ghosting:(-1)
Vaimes: (+1)
Huntzilla:(-2)
Atog:(-3) (For completely disappearing.)
I might follow cantrip on Red just because he is more experienced in the game and, well, i can't seem to get a ****in read on him..
No votes, just observations.
I was going to take Rod's age, add the numbers together, and vote for the player on the OP livelist that matched that number.
Okay i would neve have gotten that sooo...
@Shadow.. how the hell did that make him seem town to you? No way you knew he was gonna do that...
Not really. When your scumread of me was based off a joke that you played into as well, and then said you couldn't tell it was a joke. can you see why i think that is scummy?
See, you never said that...
Honestly, from the short amount of time i played with you, i find it hard to believe. But you keep saying that.
I'm gonna do an in depth analysis of all of kitties posts
... *****.
Mu fuh i'm hilarious. ♡
Ophi. Scum lie. It's a thing.
Gain? Town points, which, as you can see currently, i am not very inclined to give out.
Look, keep playing. Ill see how i feel about you later.
@Rodemy: I had no idea what Vaimes wanted your age for, but the post just seemed townie for some reason that I can't put my finger on really. I've really liked Vaimes' posts since then, especially the stance on Oph (cause I could totally see scum capitalizing on a perceived easy lynch).
@Hunt: What are your feelings about this game so far? I remember big bad hunt who came at me in Bare Bones and didn't let up, so far this game you've been subdued.
@Omega: I initially had stuff written out here, but realized you haven't actually responded to the votes on you yet, so I'm going to wait.
@DV: So far you've posted twice, both about Atog (and not wanting to lynch Rhand), do you have any strong feelings about other players?
So there is that.
Also i don't believe you.
That post has NAI all over it.
Shadow, i swear to god if you are scum again..
See, you lead with that.
Well *****.
I am outta reads.
Did i miss anything?
@Rodemy:
• Several of your (-1) point awards in that wall seem to be OMGUS, or at the very least, "I don't like you because you disagree with me". The first point you award to Hunt especially.
• I think most the people who have commented on Ophidia's "Eco said it was a bad move" statement were of the opinion that he didn't ask Eco first (before Ophidia stated that explicitly). I think you should accept that you misinterpreted Ophidia's statement and move on. Stop beating dead horses.
• You say
It almost sounds like that first sentence is unfinished. Did you mean to add more?
• Why do you find it strange that Vaimes and Rhand are going the same direction this game?
• You're happy that I expounded on Omega, but you don't indicate whether you agree or disagree with what I say. In fact, you then go on to say that you may just barn me because I'm more experienced. And then you end your wall with a whole lot of negative points against people and no vote. Freakin' take a stand.
Also, this:
...is about as far from helpful as possible. Yes, Kitty hasn't posted since the confirmation. Yes, s/he needs to post. But it's only been a day since the game began; stop making noise for scum to hide behind. I don't agree with everything you said in your wall, but there's some effort and good ideas in there. This last post just feels like you trying to keep the focus on yourself.
And then I RVS'd Rhand because I wanted to do so.
Obv, you have more of an issue with my gameplay. Not like i can really change that.
Vaimes and rhand both started going after me for the ophi thing, then they both switch the omega generally around the same time. I just find that odd. Almost teamy.
As for going with your lead, *shrug* you seem like a good person to follow. Obv i can't lead. Look where that got me.
Word vomit? I prefer the term head splooge
I think i play mafia by assuming everyone is scum until proven otherwise, hince the "numerous negative points"
If you see, vaimes was in the positive! So nyah
I hear you on that. I'm reading everything, and nothing is jumping out at me as overtly scummy. I got pretty lucky with the No Lynch gambit on you in all seriousness, but once I find something that I can sink my teeth into, I'll let you know.
Probably. Four would seem scum-heavy unless there's a lot of power on the town side, and two would be ridiculously town-weighted. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a neutral, though.
I don't mind silliness (I actually employ it from time to time), but Rodemy: you've made almost a third of the posts in this thread, and a lot of them are just you yelling whatever comes into your head. I recall this being your playstyle from when I was active a while back, and it still seems to be the case. You'd be amazed at what you can learn by (sometimes) closing your mouth and opening your ears. (I'm not trying to be snarky here. You see me as an experienced player? This is serious advice.) If you had made that post when the thread was a little quiet and not much else was going on/you hadn't posted in a while, I wouldn't have brought attention to it. I found it funny; just not helpful.
Actually, you can. But it takes conscious effort. And if you don't wan't to change, don't. But know that in the meantime, every scumteam will love to see you in the townpile because they'll be able to sit back and let your excessive posting cover up their silences.
Ok, then say that. Not that it's "odd", but that you feel like they're working together.
Hey, you can follow me all you like, but if you're not thinking for yourself and expressing why you agree, then you're just barning a stronger player, which will eventually get you in trouble.
I do think rhand and atog could be working together as well. Rhands agreeance that my joke to kitty was scummy feels like it stemmed from atof calling it that and he ran with it.
It just lingers in the back of my head.
Having never played with him, i cant tell if he is just a scummy town player with his RVS "scumtells" (which rhand you missed the question about whether or not they have worked before)
Or he is scum pulling tells from his butt.
I hope neither of you becomes traumatized from having to maybe try and kill each other down the line.
Yes, it's hard to play a game with Rodemy and not know that you're playing a game with Rodemy. And yes, I remember frequently--likely every game--thinking along these lines. It's been over a year since my last game, so I can't cite specifics without doing some research.
So...looking at the exchange:
Next is Rhand's assertion that Atog is correct to find it scummy. I don't find Rhand's avoidance of reasoning here to be suspect, as he's continuing to fish for rvs tells.
Rodemy asks for reasons...
Rodemy goes on the uberdefensive after Vaimes applies pressure; the linking of Rhand and Atog seems like something Rodemy would do regardless of alignment, when faced with two people attacking him without explaining why.
Rhand's response is just a vote, with promise of a case:
Rodemy's frustrated that no one's saying why it's scummy:
This post was a double-post after the previous one. This was where, in my initial readthrough, I thought "this feels like CFTWR", but I'm pretty sure that I've thought that about town!Rodemy before. I think Rodemy has an overinflated sense of injustice, and just can't stand to be accused without reason.
And then Rhand posts his case, which basically boils down to "Rodemy isn't having any fun." While I can see where Rhand is coming from, and I think the case makes him more likely to be town, I disagree that Rodemy isn't having fun. This is how Rodemy rolls. I particularly disagree with the "Rodemy was condescending to Kitty" comment.
@Rhand: Why do you put so much stock in RVS tells? I've had *some* luck with them, but I generally take them with a very large grain of salt.
@Rhand and Rodemy: Have the two of you seriously never played a game together?
@Cantripmancer: Upon review of post #37, I actually like it. So you know though, I originally didn’t like his town read and how he presented it of Vaimes, just for Vaimes asking Rod’s age before voting. Now, it reads fairly genuinely and his question to Rodemy comes across as attempting to figure out the game which earns town point from me.
I agree with Ophidia’s post #153 about red_Omega, but it being literally identical to what I said about red_Omega makes me wonder if he read the post and is just barning what was said to make his jump on the wagon more credible. Cantripmancer also suggests the same in his post #152, and I agree with much of it. I don’t think it’s incriminating to the point that we’ve caught scum, but I do think it’s a good place for pressure to be applied; same with Rhand.
@Rodemy: You’ve given a lot of posts scum points. In fact, in post #157, almost all of the posts get scum points. As the player with the second most town score on the list (-1 compared to Vaimes’ +1, and Huntz -2, Atog’s -3, and Rhand’s -4), it should be obvious I’m not upset with my place on the scoring, but aren’t players who post more the most likely to receive the worst score? If by the end of the day we have 1000 posts, and one player posted 100 posts, compared to another player’s 10 posts, the player with 100 posts’ score could naturally be far lower than the player with 10, so you could end up creating perceptions of players that aren’t accurate to their scuminess.
Mafia Stats 2016-2017:
Town: 1-0 | Scum: 2-0 | Neutral: 1-1
But if you had it drawn up from the time she signed up, that helps explain it a bit.
I know it hasn't been that long since Omega posted, but he should come back and respond.
I imagine you're going to be cagey about this Reason.
I have been very busy today, was unable to get caught up with the thread until literally this moment, and do not have time to respond to anything relevant now. I am only posting now to give notice that I will most likely be even more busy over the next 3-4 days, and unable to read or post at all.
Anything I need to address will have to wait until early next week; so cool it until then
smoke_Killah
I have never played a game with rhand that i remember..
And tbh i barely remember any games with you.. like maybe.. one? (Porn star mafia?)
I like how you hit the nail on the head with that exchange.
@ghosting
i guess i never thought of it that way.
But you do see atog got -2 for NOT posting.
Idk i am still working out the kinks i guess.
Tbh it was a semi pbp analysis.
Small nitpick: Ophidia's post ("Omega's questions sound weird; how does that question contribute?") isn't "literally identical" to your #139 ("feels pretty lazy/pointless. This doesn't necessarily imply scum, just that I feel it's less likely to come from town. Doesn't really read as genuine participation, just floating along and trying to blend in/look like he's trying"), but I get what you're saying. However, he hasn't jumped on the wagon (no vote), and I feel like there was enough original thought...any slight potential scumtell that this might be certainly doesn't outweigh Ophidia's towniness from that VT claim.
What do you mean by "same with Rhand" (that Rhand made similar points, or that Rhand is a good place for pressure to be applied)? But of course I'm going to be. But I promise I will tell you before the game is over.
We've...never played a game together, have we? What's your mafia experience?
Sad, but ok.
I'm...hurt. I'm not more memorable? Seriously, though, I know we've had a few. Porn Star, Sesame Street...we were scum together in Apocalypse, weren't we? I think there were several others. Maybe I'll have to dig through my archives...
Which exchange, exactly?
Vote Ghosting
Voting the mod or an oog player is often done to not show up in votecounts or to not step on any toes early on, but this is a very weak one.
Not having fun in RVS is the biggest tell, although in this case I simply misjudged Rod's sense of humor.
@Ghosting: you're lean scum on my T/S because you want to pick sides in what I think is a town vs town discussion. You're not in the bottom because I agree with your posts on omega.
Outside of rvs...
@zomg what are your reads on the people who ARE posting.
Forever known as Rhandemy
Pretty sure iso caught me d1. So maybe thats why i dont remember
As for apoco taco:that game was... me flailing like a mofo and if i remember you got lynched for not posting a lot the first few days.
Both logical reasons for not remembering
Porn star was 3 years ago so forgive me if i forgot who was in that (besides Karn. He was in all my games back then)
But i do know your brain is wonderful, your symphony mafia was complex and beautiful (i believe that was you.. if not please correct me)
I don't have time to check right now, but I think this is the second time you've used "honest" verbiage in your posts when it didn't feel...appropriate. It almost comes off as nervous/wanting to sound like you're telling the truth. Why do you feel the need to point out that you're being "honest" about your opinion (thinking that no current wagon is going to go somewhere)?
/barn
/barn
I got killed by the SK for being too townie! It's true that I was awol for a lot, though.
Yes, that was mine. Thanks.
I'm sure there were other games, but I've been on hiatus for a while and can't remember. I wasn't really hurt that you didn't remember. Most people just remember me as a giant wall of text.
v/la until Sunday night
I think the Red case is bad.
IE reading him more as town.
Umm I've got some other opinions as well but I haven't devoted the time to this game quite yet. Check back with me on monday.
Was that ever in question?