Well I expect some of you to not sleep the same time I do!
I'm considering hammering Anak, but I'd like to move forward with a no lynch after that to do some alignment checking. I know y'all want to chain lynch everyone, but I feel like that's not optimal.
Hmm, I thought about a thing and now I'm not sold on Cantrip anymore. Problem is, I don't dislike Anak's reaction to his impending death. unvote
@DV/Megs: Anak gets lynched a lot, do the posts you guys referenced really have that much bearing on his alignment, or more his persona?
Hmm, I thought about a thing and now I'm not sold on Cantrip anymore. Problem is, I don't dislike Anak's reaction to his impending death. unvote
@DV/Megs: Anak gets lynched a lot, do the posts you guys referenced really have that much bearing on his alignment, or more his persona?
wait arent i the anak expert? im usually the only one townreading him
i mean, he "fooled" me the once but i still lynched him
Hmm, I thought about a thing and now I'm not sold on Cantrip anymore. Problem is, I don't dislike Anak's reaction to his impending death. unvote
@DV/Megs: Anak gets lynched a lot, do the posts you guys referenced really have that much bearing on his alignment, or more his persona?
wait arent i the anak expert? im usually the only one townreading him
i mean, he "fooled" me the once but i still lynched him
Well they were casing him, but sure, you answer too.
Cantrip, What do you make of Toms vote onto you following my conversation with him?
Rereading, I'm noting the possibility that Shadow may have been manipulating Tom in 38.
@Shadow: Why did you feel my first post felt off? You said it was because I referenced the "coin flip" phrase that Killjoy used, then voted Killjoy. Pretty sure you know better than to think someone's scum because they a) used the same phraseology as scum or b) agreed with scum. So was that serious or were you fishing for reactions?
That said...would scum Shadow make 64? Specifically the part about Tom being def!town if KJ flips scum...if Shadow's scum with KJ, he knows that KJ will flip scum, so would be town!painting Tom. Could be an extreme pocket, I suppose, but doesn't feel likely. And if Shadow's scum but KJ isn't, then making that particular read doesn't really advance the scumgenda any.
@Shadow: Zomg's first post made me want to lynch him. Why were you ok with it?
To answer what I thought of Tom's vote: mildly opportunistic.
@Anak & Shadow: I can with complete confidence say that if I entered a game and saw my buddy at L-3, my first post would NOT be a bus. Any potential town!pants would be negated by the scrutiny of how accurate my read was with a game this fresh. Not to mention, in a "normal" game, I'd strongly suspect such a wagon to fall apart in lieu of later-Day analysis. I admit that I didn't fully realize that the acceleration of this game (not to mention the playerbase) means that there is going to be a lot less reassessment, so the "wagon will fall apart" argument is lessened here, but even without that, I wouldn't have been comfortable voting.
@Anak: a) I was at L-2, so you couldn't have hammered. b) Your lack of voting makes me feel like you're town.
@DV: Why vote Anak?
Tom's 84 still bugs me. The problem is...I'd expect it to come from a less experienced/confident scum player, and I know Tom is both experienced and confident. But...it still bugs me.
@Tom: Why the 4 minute delay in posting 103?
@Anak: When you come back, will you respond to Tom's 109, please? I have raisins.
@DV: How sure are you that there's at least one scum in KJ, Anak, and Shadow? How sure are you that there are two in that mix?
Rereading, I'm noting the possibility that Shadow may have been manipulating Tom in 38.
I'd actually typed out my KJ vote and then deleted it, and then saw Toms post and went for it. But I'd probably say this if I was scum too, so it's irrelevant.
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@Shadow: Why did you feel my first post felt off? You said it was because I referenced the "coin flip" phrase that Killjoy used, then voted Killjoy. Pretty sure you know better than to think someone's scum because they a) used the same phraseology as scum or b) agreed with scum. So was that serious or were you fishing for reactions?
It felt out of touch, just off from the feel of the rest of the game.
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That said...would scum Shadow make 64? Specifically the part about Tom being def!town if KJ flips scum...if Shadow's scum with KJ, he knows that KJ will flip scum, so would be town!painting Tom. Could be an extreme pocket, I suppose, but doesn't feel likely. And if Shadow's scum but KJ isn't, then making that particular read doesn't really advance the scumgenda any.
Honestly? Yeah, scum!shadow would probably still make a post like this, cause town!shadow would.
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@Shadow: Zomg's first post made me want to lynch him. Why were you ok with it?
It wasn't over the top, theatrical, or inherently scummy. Every game I've been in with Zomg I've wanted to lynch him out of the gates, and while his suggestion of lynching 3 is suboptimal, his post was tame.
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To answer what I thought of Tom's vote: mildly opportunistic.
His move off of me felt a little too easy.
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@Anak & Shadow: I can with complete confidence say that if I entered a game and saw my buddy at L-3, my first post would NOT be a bus. Any potential town!pants would be negated by the scrutiny of how accurate my read was with a game this fresh. Not to mention, in a "normal" game, I'd strongly suspect such a wagon to fall apart in lieu of later-Day analysis. I admit that I didn't fully realize that the acceleration of this game (not to mention the playerbase) means that there is going to be a lot less reassessment, so the "wagon will fall apart" argument is lessened here, but even without that, I wouldn't have been comfortable voting.
Yup, what I realized when I unvoted you earlier is best summed up by this:
Quote from Cantrip in Overwatch post game »
Shadow, my only critique was your horrible bus vote on Zomg D1. When in doubt, it's almost always the correct choice to not vote.
Considering that most people wanted to end the day after two lynches, and that's about to be me, it feels weird to rush it.
Tom your vote and gif made me laugh really hard, really needed to wake up to that today. I'm still town though, so there's that
i want 4
who do you think the other 3 should be?
Still like Cantrip for a lynch, his emotion feels fake. The omg shadow is town comment in particular.
At that point I would then look to lynch zomg, lurking in this game with its rapid speed would be the easiest way by far to hide as scum.
Last is between you or Megs, I don't have a good grasp on that yet. Would want to see the results of the above, gun to my head I would pick tom because he always can read me spot on, but yet this game he can't.
Still like Cantrip for a lynch, his emotion feels fake. The omg shadow is town comment in particular.
At that point I would then look to lynch zomg, lurking in this game with its rapid speed would be the easiest way by far to hide as scum.
Last is between you or Megs, I don't have a good grasp on that yet. Would want to see the results of the above, gun to my head I would pick tom because he always can read me spot on, but yet this game he can't.
what emotion is cantrip faking?
do you think zomg is lurking on purpose?
i like this no win situation youre putting me in if youre scum (bolded). townread me or i push you. pretty brilliant.
kj/anak
anak/shadow
zomg/anyone
kj/shadow
shadow/megs
kj/cantrip
dv/megs tinfoil world where theyre just playing off how i obviously want to play this game
one of these is probably the team
feel free to ask me to make up reasons i eliminated a team you believe in
Still like Cantrip for a lynch, his emotion feels fake. The omg shadow is town comment in particular.
Inquiry of Curiosity: Have you read Overwatch/How much of this read is influenced by that read?
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At that point I would then look to lynch zomg, lurking in this game with its rapid speed would be the easiest way by far to hide as scum.
But would certainly be bad form. I obviously can't speak for Zomg, but I would feel pretty crappy to lurk my way to a win. Plus, there *is* a posting requirement, so at some point he has to poke his head out.
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Last is between you or Megs, I don't have a good grasp on that yet. Would want to see the results of the above, gun to my head I would pick tom because he always can read me spot on, but yet this game he can't.
This is the first thing you've said that's given me pause. Like you're working to find justification to suspect Tom.
In his 131, he identified my advice to him from Overwatch as the reason he was no longer suspecting me. Scum!Shadow could very easily have "forgotten" that, identified that the situation is different, etc.
kj/anak
anak/shadow
zomg/anyone
kj/shadow
shadow/megs
kj/cantrip
dv/megs tinfoil world where theyre just playing off how i obviously want to play this game
one of these is probably the team
feel free to ask me to make up reasons i eliminated a team you believe in
Ok, I'll bite: Given that Shadow and I are both voting you, why are we not a possibility? (Obviously not a team I believe in, but I'm surprised it didn't make your list.)
Hmm, I'm tinfoiling a scum!megs world. Megs, why aren't you doing anything to reconsider/further your reads and the gamestate?
Tom: why did you eliminate the scum Meg pairings except with me and DV?
In his 131, he identified my advice to him from Overwatch as the reason he was no longer suspecting me. Scum!Shadow could very easily have "forgotten" that, identified that the situation is different, etc.
(snip)
Ok, I'll bite: Given that Shadow and I are both voting you, why are we not a possibility? (Obviously not a team I believe in, but I'm surprised it didn't make your list.)
i barely know what happened in overwatch, but ill look back at that interaction in a bit.
My impression is that if shadow is scum he is pocketing you (and, yes, me) and I see zero reason why a you/shadow team wouldn't just hammer anak and lynch me next.
Hmm, I'm tinfoiling a scum!megs world. Megs, why aren't you doing anything to reconsider/further your reads and the gamestate?
Tom: why did you eliminate the scum Meg pairings except with me and DV?
right now, i think megs' no brakesing is independently townie. but its specifically town if kj and/or anak is scum. He wants to lynch them, and didn't even try to get any benefit from it. No linking to others, no towncred for the bus, etc.
@Anak & Shadow: I can with complete confidence say that if I entered a game and saw my buddy at L-3, my first post would NOT be a bus. Any potential town!pants would be negated by the scrutiny of how accurate my read was with a game this fresh. Not to mention, in a "normal" game, I'd strongly suspect such a wagon to fall apart in lieu of later-Day analysis. I admit that I didn't fully realize that the acceleration of this game (not to mention the playerbase) means that there is going to be a lot less reassessment, so the "wagon will fall apart" argument is lessened here, but even without that, I wouldn't have been comfortable voting.
Yup, what I realized when I unvoted you earlier is best summed up by this:
Quote from Cantrip in Overwatch post game »
Shadow, my only critique was your horrible bus vote on Zomg D1. When in doubt, it's almost always the correct choice to not vote.
@cantrip
Ok, i can see what youre seeing here i think. his initial reason for voting you was because you were bussing kj or something, and then decided you wouldnt do that.
I'll even agree that this probably makes kj/shadow less likely because he'd be narrowing his lynch options tomorrow after the kj flip.
But yeah im not seeing any reason scumshadow wouldnt make this post in a townkj world.
Hmm, I'm tinfoiling a scum!megs world. Megs, why aren't you doing anything to reconsider/further your reads and the gamestate?
Tom: why did you eliminate the scum Meg pairings except with me and DV?
right now, i think megs' no brakesing is independently townie. but its specifically town if kj and/or anak is scum. He wants to lynch them, and didn't even try to get any benefit from it. No linking to others, no towncred for the bus, etc.
I'd buy him not bussing Anak, but his hammer of KJ doesn't really stand out as not bus worthy. I do think we are approaching an impasse, where half the game is dead set on lynching Anak and the other half isn't. I'd be willing to move forward with his lynch if we went to night and saw the KJ and Anak flips before lynching anyone else. Also, zomg's lack of presence is messing with the structure of this game a bit.
Hmm, I'm tinfoiling a scum!megs world. Megs, why aren't you doing anything to reconsider/further your reads and the gamestate?
Tom: why did you eliminate the scum Meg pairings except with me and DV?
right now, i think megs' no brakesing is independently townie. but its specifically town if kj and/or anak is scum. He wants to lynch them, and didn't even try to get any benefit from it. No linking to others, no towncred for the bus, etc.
I'd buy him not bussing Anak, but his hammer of KJ doesn't really stand out as not bus worthy. I do think we are approaching an impasse, where half the game is dead set on lynching Anak and the other half isn't. I'd be willing to move forward with his lynch if we went to night and saw the KJ and Anak flips before lynching anyone else. Also, zomg's lack of presence is messing with the structure of this game a bit.
@GJ: would you prod Zomg?
eh. kj was already a wagon when megs entered. he chose the fun thing of lynch errybody, and idk. if theyre buddies id have expected solvey megs instead. i guess thats weaker than the anak unalignment, but i also just think megs is town.
yes, lynching 2 and going to night is smart.
lame.
seems awfully soon for that sort of thing
vote: anak
guys if we're going to sleep our 120 hours turns into more like 80 hours.
I'm considering hammering Anak, but I'd like to move forward with a no lynch after that to do some alignment checking. I know y'all want to chain lynch everyone, but I feel like that's not optimal.
Tom your vote and gif made me laugh really hard, really needed to wake up to that today. I'm still town though, so there's that
unvote
@DV/Megs: Anak gets lynched a lot, do the posts you guys referenced really have that much bearing on his alignment, or more his persona?
Anaklusmos (3): D_V, Megiddo, tomsloger (L-1)
Not Voting (4): shadowlancerx, Anaklusmos, zomgarcwind, Cantripmancer
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. 3 days, 5 hours, and 44 minutes remain.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
i want 4
who do you think the other 3 should be?
For 84 & 103
Megiddo is probably scum, too.
I hear sincerity from Anak.
DV is probably town.
Leaning town on Shadow, but can't tell yet.
Zomg needs to post more.
@Tom: Convince me that 4 lynches toDay is more beneficial than 2.
wait arent i the anak expert? im usually the only one townreading him
i mean, he "fooled" me the once but i still lynched him
2 is definitely optimal
4 way more fun
i have been working on not sacrificing good play for my own enjoyment, but this doesnt really seem like the setup for that.
Cantrip, What do you make of Toms vote onto you following my conversation with him?
the only noteworthy thing to me is the post death focus on killjoy stuff could mean they are buddies and he wants people implicated by his flip
He's town, but I am ignoring his 2 suggestion. That's safe. And boring.
Screw safe.
NO BRAKES.
Lets get rid of scum Anak. Lynch his mate Shadow then turn on Tom.
not anak
i dont remember zomg
Vote Tom
Nope.
Nice CFD. But we lynch Anak first.
@Shadow: Why did you feel my first post felt off? You said it was because I referenced the "coin flip" phrase that Killjoy used, then voted Killjoy. Pretty sure you know better than to think someone's scum because they a) used the same phraseology as scum or b) agreed with scum. So was that serious or were you fishing for reactions?
That said...would scum Shadow make 64? Specifically the part about Tom being def!town if KJ flips scum...if Shadow's scum with KJ, he knows that KJ will flip scum, so would be town!painting Tom. Could be an extreme pocket, I suppose, but doesn't feel likely. And if Shadow's scum but KJ isn't, then making that particular read doesn't really advance the scumgenda any.
@Shadow: Zomg's first post made me want to lynch him. Why were you ok with it?
To answer what I thought of Tom's vote: mildly opportunistic.
@Anak & Shadow: I can with complete confidence say that if I entered a game and saw my buddy at L-3, my first post would NOT be a bus. Any potential town!pants would be negated by the scrutiny of how accurate my read was with a game this fresh. Not to mention, in a "normal" game, I'd strongly suspect such a wagon to fall apart in lieu of later-Day analysis. I admit that I didn't fully realize that the acceleration of this game (not to mention the playerbase) means that there is going to be a lot less reassessment, so the "wagon will fall apart" argument is lessened here, but even without that, I wouldn't have been comfortable voting.
@Anak: a) I was at L-2, so you couldn't have hammered. b) Your lack of voting makes me feel like you're town.
@DV: Why vote Anak?
Tom's 84 still bugs me. The problem is...I'd expect it to come from a less experienced/confident scum player, and I know Tom is both experienced and confident. But...it still bugs me.
@Tom: Why the 4 minute delay in posting 103?
@Anak: When you come back, will you respond to Tom's 109, please? I have raisins.
@DV: How sure are you that there's at least one scum in KJ, Anak, and Shadow? How sure are you that there are two in that mix?
finding an imgur version of the gif
what bugs you about 84?
He frankly isn't doing anything therefore lynch.
CFD = Chinese fire drill
It's a mild pocket of Megiddo + nervous reinforcement of/asking permission to continue reckless behavior.
Holy carp, Shadow's town.
@DV: Sorry, let me try again: Why did YOU vote Anak at that point (73)?
Still like Cantrip for a lynch, his emotion feels fake. The omg shadow is town comment in particular.
At that point I would then look to lynch zomg, lurking in this game with its rapid speed would be the easiest way by far to hide as scum.
Last is between you or Megs, I don't have a good grasp on that yet. Would want to see the results of the above, gun to my head I would pick tom because he always can read me spot on, but yet this game he can't.
Neither is zomg, and Megs is no brakesing which I guess isn't nothing but isn't a ton. Why me?
God that question is sooo late.
Lynch the Anak.
what do you like about shadow?
do you think zomg is lurking on purpose?
i like this no win situation youre putting me in if youre scum (bolded). townread me or i push you. pretty brilliant.
anak/shadow
zomg/anyone
kj/shadow
shadow/megs
kj/cantrip
dv/megs tinfoil world where theyre just playing off how i obviously want to play this game
one of these is probably the team
feel free to ask me to make up reasons i eliminated a team you believe in
Anaklusmos (3): D_V, Megiddo, tomsloger (L-1)
tomsloger (2): Cantripmancer, shadowlancerx (L-2)
Not Voting (2): Anaklusmos, zomgarcwind
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. 2 days, 7 hours, and 24 minutes remain.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
But would certainly be bad form. I obviously can't speak for Zomg, but I would feel pretty crappy to lurk my way to a win. Plus, there *is* a posting requirement, so at some point he has to poke his head out.
This is the first thing you've said that's given me pause. Like you're working to find justification to suspect Tom.
In his 131, he identified my advice to him from Overwatch as the reason he was no longer suspecting me. Scum!Shadow could very easily have "forgotten" that, identified that the situation is different, etc.
Ok, I'll bite: Given that Shadow and I are both voting you, why are we not a possibility? (Obviously not a team I believe in, but I'm surprised it didn't make your list.)
Tom: why did you eliminate the scum Meg pairings except with me and DV?
My impression is that if shadow is scum he is pocketing you (and, yes, me) and I see zero reason why a you/shadow team wouldn't just hammer anak and lynch me next.
@cantrip
Ok, i can see what youre seeing here i think. his initial reason for voting you was because you were bussing kj or something, and then decided you wouldnt do that.
I'll even agree that this probably makes kj/shadow less likely because he'd be narrowing his lynch options tomorrow after the kj flip.
But yeah im not seeing any reason scumshadow wouldnt make this post in a townkj world.
@GJ: would you prod Zomg?
yes, lynching 2 and going to night is smart.
lame.