@Vaimes I do see the confidence you're seeing from Rhand, but it definitely doesn't strike me as a scum tell. Can you explain a bit more why you didn't like it?
@Rhand He has two posts and Omnom's post was a bit of a headscratcher so I'm not going to move in just because he was confused by Omnom. Confusion is a natural reaction there. It's not a town read, just not confident in the scum read.
For those who are reading into my comments regarding Tom and Omnomnominath - Tom's posting restriction bugs me simply because the short quotes make it hard to get any actual read from him, or any indication of actual opinions. My concern with Omnom's post, on the other hand, is that it makes me throw myself in WIFOM loops trying to figure out whether it's a town move or a scum move. At first glance, it could seem town, but at the same time, I can actually come up with several reasons for scum to make that post (steers people away from lynching him since there's no way scum would offer themselves up that early, and serves to make further vanilla townie claims questionable, as it could be construed as copying his strategy to try and avoid lynch - even when his wording avoided any specific town claim). And the fact that it was made this early - when we're still in RVS, and there's not anything going at the time that could be risking a mislynch, causes me to question what his line of thought was when he made the post. If we were pushing a wagon on someone claiming a PR, it might make sense, but to see that as his first post of the game concerns me.
That all said, I will note that I am vanilla town - if you don't believe me, I'll wind up lynched today regardless, but that's up to you. I'll also mention that I probably won't be posting again for a few days, as I'm in Florida (and as a result prepping for the incoming hurricane). If I get a few extra moments, I may pop on to post again, but I can't guarantee that I'll be available, so V/LA until Tuesday (9/12).
They complained about WIFOM loops then attempted to WIFOM loop themselves.
Seems like a good lynch
Blues was in claim range so claiming made sense (it's considered normal to claim at L-2 here) so it makes sense to claim. And I still think that worrying about WIFOM is the natural reaction to Omnom even if I've settled into buying the claim for now.
@Rhand that is quite the jump there. I get that it seems opportunistic, but is there more to it?
@HarshMillennium See the above about L-2 being standard for claiming here. Why do you think this L-2 is not serious?
@Rhand that is quite the jump there. I get that it seems opportunistic, but is there more to it?
He's way too happy with what he perceives as a bad response.
I guess it could be town being happy they caught scum, but he can't be sure enough of that to be this happy about it.
Way more likely he's scum being happy that this mislynch is in the bag. Which ironically isn't going to happen now.
@Rhand that is quite the jump there. I get that it seems opportunistic, but is there more to it?
He's way too happy with what he perceives as a bad response.
I guess it could be town being happy they caught scum, but he can't be sure enough of that to be this happy about it.
Way more likely he's scum being happy that this mislynch is in the bag. Which ironically isn't going to happen now.
Rhand is just making up too much to be wolf. While Grapefruit is just floating in for the vote.
First off how can you be confident that scum are voting you? That is a strange leap to make. Second that's quite a waffle to in one sentence say you don't know who it is then provide a (poorly) reasoned argument for why it's me. This actually reaffirms the tonal read Rhand was talking about. You are so sure at this stage of the game when you have no reason to be, unless you're scum and do know people's alignments.
@HarshMillennium See the above about L-2 being standard for claiming here. Why do you think this L-2 is not serious?
This is my first game on MTG. Other places I've played, claiming would be the very last thing to do, if at all, and not day one. That being said, they are usually power heavy games.
Mmmm, that standard is from larger games where it's not as easy to get run to L-2 and the standard probably isn't actually right for this game. I think that maybe pushing claim range to L-1 makes more sense given the size of the game. Thoughts?
Grapefruit really went for the smear campaign the moment I went on Blue.
Rhand just seems bad at this game.
So EZ game you can all thank me for the Blue and Grapefruit call.
So first you call me scum because I'm waffling (which I wasn't and you declined to show examples of when asked), then you call this a smear campaign, you're either way too eager or you're trying to get me mislynched. This feels more like the latter given the random shading of Rhand thrown in there.
Grapefruit really went for the smear campaign the moment I went on Blue.
Rhand just seems bad at this game.
So EZ game you can all thank me for the Blue and Grapefruit call.
If you think calling me bad is gonna get me off your case, think again. Why not explain why my conclusion is wrong instead of calling me a bad player for reaching it?
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Itoh's not a bad vote, and breaking to a 3rd vote is a lot more pressure than just 2 - you're a lot more likely to get killed at that point.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Itoh's not a bad vote, and breaking to a 3rd vote is a lot more pressure than just 2 - you're a lot more likely to get killed at that point.
I think I'm still not quite understanding you, but if you are saying you think Itoh's a good vote than that's enough for right now. Just confused as why you wouldn't like where something is going if you think it's a good vote.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Itoh's not a bad vote, and breaking to a 3rd vote is a lot more pressure than just 2 - you're a lot more likely to get killed at that point.
I think I'm still not quite understanding you, but if you are saying you think Itoh's a good vote than that's enough for right now. Just confused as why you wouldn't like where something is going if you think it's a good vote.
Voting Itoh is good for today. Just not a big fan of his arguments, that's all.
I thought Rhand's first few posts were off but the example game(s?) I was thinking of are ongoing so oops. I do actually like his "Nobue is too happy at a bad response."
Aside from that, everything in this game besides Omnom's claim is forgettable. Literally everything.
Unvote, vote Nobue
L-1.
If anyone asks, I'm voting because I'm bored, deadline is close (and it doesn't look like people are using that time proactively), and Nobue isn't a townread.
Aside from that, everything in this game besides Omnom's claim is forgettable. Literally everything.
This is true.
What do you make of Tom's play despite the gimmick? You were in the alara game with him so you might have a better prospective, but I'm not really getting any town feelings from him right now. And his sitting on Blues is weirding me out.
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I was planning on looking at your recent past games to verify, but felt like voting before doing so.
Votecount incoming...
BluesEclipse: tomsloger, Nobue_Itoh, Rhand (L-2)
Grapefruit21: HarshMillenium (L-4)
HarshMillenium: (L-5)
Nobue_Itoh: (L-5)
Omnomnominath: BluesEclipse (L-4)
Rhand: zomgarcwind, Vaimes (L-3)
tomsloger: (L-5)
Vaimes: (L-5)
zomgarcwind: Grapefruit21 (L-4)
Not Voting:
Omnomnominath
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
Deadline is 16 September 2017.
This feels slow even by mtgs standards.
@Vaimes I do see the confidence you're seeing from Rhand, but it definitely doesn't strike me as a scum tell. Can you explain a bit more why you didn't like it?
What do you disagree with specifically regarding Blues?
HarshMillenium has been prodded.
That is all.
Isn't BluesEclipse in prod range as well?
That all said, I will note that I am vanilla town - if you don't believe me, I'll wind up lynched today regardless, but that's up to you. I'll also mention that I probably won't be posting again for a few days, as I'm in Florida (and as a result prepping for the incoming hurricane). If I get a few extra moments, I may pop on to post again, but I can't guarantee that I'll be available, so V/LA until Tuesday (9/12).
BluesEclipse V/LA noted.
That will be all.
To any who are in the affected areas, stay safe. I can't imagine what it must be like.
They complained about WIFOM loops then attempted to WIFOM loop themselves.
Seems like a good lynch
Yup, this one is scum.
vote Nobue_Itoh
Blues was in claim range so claiming made sense (it's considered normal to claim at L-2 here) so it makes sense to claim. And I still think that worrying about WIFOM is the natural reaction to Omnom even if I've settled into buying the claim for now.
@Rhand that is quite the jump there. I get that it seems opportunistic, but is there more to it?
@HarshMillennium See the above about L-2 being standard for claiming here. Why do you think this L-2 is not serious?
I did not believe this was a real phrase... I hate it when google proves me wrong.
Why the confidence in the blues and Rhand reads? I'm really not seeing blues and need to sort out his wagon.
He's way too happy with what he perceives as a bad response.
I guess it could be town being happy they caught scum, but he can't be sure enough of that to be this happy about it.
Way more likely he's scum being happy that this mislynch is in the bag. Which ironically isn't going to happen now.
That makes sense to me.
Vote: Nobue_Itoh
Omnomnominath has been prodded.
That is all.
Not sure which one it is.
I think its Grapefruit.
Rhand is just making up too much to be wolf. While Grapefruit is just floating in for the vote.
BluesEclipse: tomsloger, Nobue_Itoh, (L-3)
Grapefruit21: HarshMillenium (L-4)
HarshMillenium: (L-5)
Nobue_Itoh: Rhand, Grapefruit21 (L-3)
Omnomnominath: BluesEclipse (L-4)
Rhand: zomgarcwind, Vaimes (L-3)
tomsloger: (L-5)
Vaimes: (L-5)
zomgarcwind: (L-5)
Not Voting:
Omnomnominath
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
Deadline is 16 September 2017.
V/LA Notes
BluesEclipse - 12 Sept
First off how can you be confident that scum are voting you? That is a strange leap to make. Second that's quite a waffle to in one sentence say you don't know who it is then provide a (poorly) reasoned argument for why it's me. This actually reaffirms the tonal read Rhand was talking about. You are so sure at this stage of the game when you have no reason to be, unless you're scum and do know people's alignments.
Mmmm, that standard is from larger games where it's not as easy to get run to L-2 and the standard probably isn't actually right for this game. I think that maybe pushing claim range to L-1 makes more sense given the size of the game. Thoughts?
Grapefruit really went for the smear campaign the moment I went on Blue.
Rhand just seems bad at this game.
So EZ game you can all thank me for the Blue and Grapefruit call.
So first you call me scum because I'm waffling (which I wasn't and you declined to show examples of when asked), then you call this a smear campaign, you're either way too eager or you're trying to get me mislynched. This feels more like the latter given the random shading of Rhand thrown in there.
If you think calling me bad is gonna get me off your case, think again. Why not explain why my conclusion is wrong instead of calling me a bad player for reaching it?
Vote: Nobue_Itoh
My Trades
BluesEclipse: tomsloger, Nobue_Itoh, (L-3)
Grapefruit21: HarshMillenium (L-4)
HarshMillenium: (L-5)
Nobue_Itoh: Rhand, Grapefruit21, Omnomnominath (L-2)
Omnomnominath: BluesEclipse (L-4)
Rhand: zomgarcwind, Vaimes (L-3)
tomsloger: (L-5)
Vaimes: (L-5)
zomgarcwind: (L-5)
Not Voting:
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
Deadline is 16 September 2017.
V/LA Notes
BluesEclipse - 12 Sept
Are you saying Nobue is a bad lynch?
If you don't like it why are you voting for it?
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Itoh's not a bad vote, and breaking to a 3rd vote is a lot more pressure than just 2 - you're a lot more likely to get killed at that point.
My Trades
I think I'm still not quite understanding you, but if you are saying you think Itoh's a good vote than that's enough for right now. Just confused as why you wouldn't like where something is going if you think it's a good vote.
Voting Itoh is good for today. Just not a big fan of his arguments, that's all.
My Trades
Illusion is needed to disguise the emptiness within
Okay, but what about Nobue?
That doesn't tell me he's scum, that tells me he's not playing the game. Which describes too many people right now.
Where is this level of certainty on one person not playing the game vs all of the others not playing the game coming from?
You think his tone was normal?
Votecount and prods will be done in a few hours (i.e. in the morning )
That is all.
I thought Rhand's first few posts were off but the example game(s?) I was thinking of are ongoing so oops. I do actually like his "Nobue is too happy at a bad response."
Aside from that, everything in this game besides Omnom's claim is forgettable. Literally everything.
Unvote, vote Nobue
L-1.
If anyone asks, I'm voting because I'm bored, deadline is close (and it doesn't look like people are using that time proactively), and Nobue isn't a townread.
This is true.
What do you make of Tom's play despite the gimmick? You were in the alara game with him so you might have a better prospective, but I'm not really getting any town feelings from him right now. And his sitting on Blues is weirding me out.