Yeh this is weird. @tom, Vaimes: if one if you is scum, can you promise to kill omnom toNight if we lynch Blues and he flips town? Then we can have a real conversation in final 3.
Yeh this is weird. @tom, Vaimes: if one if you is scum, can you promise to kill omnom toNight if we lynch Blues and he flips town? Then we can have a real conversation in final 3.
So, what happens in that case if Omnom flips town? Do you have a plan from there, or an idea on who is scum between Vaimes and Tom? Because I'm going to flip as VTown, and I'd be surprised if Omnom does die toNight (TBH, I'd expect scum!Vaimes or scum!Tom to probably hit you first, just based on who is the strongest player still alive at this point).
Mind you, I'm asking this with the full expectation that I won't be alive come the night, since it seems like the consensus is to lynch me, see my flip, and go from there. But I still want to see a town win, so where do you go in the event that Omnom flips town when I do, or where would you suggest for town to go if you die?
I'm pretty sure Rhand asked for the last scum to shoot Omnom because he's lurking, and having a lurker in endgame is literally the worst.
Blues, a better use of your time would be to figure out who the last scum is rather than doing the whole "whatcha gonna do when you mislynch me?" song and dance and leaving it at that. Why are you asking Rhand what town should do if he dies? You're the one about to die here, so why don't you tell us why we should lynch tom instead of you without using the word "gimmick." Or talk about your reads, or something that isn't complete radio silence.
But I still want to see a town win, so where do you go in the event that Omnom flips town when I do, or where would you suggest for town to go if you die?
beep boop, TMI detected
I'm probably preaching to the choir, given there's no real counterwagon, but whatever vOv
I'm pretty sure Rhand asked for the last scum to shoot Omnom because he's lurking, and having a lurker in endgame is literally the worst.
Blues, a better use of your time would be to figure out who the last scum is rather than doing the whole "whatcha gonna do when you mislynch me?" song and dance and leaving it at that. Why are you asking Rhand what town should do if he dies? You're the one about to die here, so why don't you tell us why we should lynch tom instead of you without using the word "gimmick." Or talk about your reads, or something that isn't complete radio silence.
Agreed here. If you're a poor option, then who is a better one?
@Vaimes: You're right. When I made that post, I was at work, pressed for time, and fully expecting to see a third vote on me before I had a chance to do any rereads and further posting. Given that I'm still alive, I'm able to take the opportunity to correct this.
First, regarding Tom. So far, as I've mentioned above, he has been consistently focused on me - barring his decision to quickhammer Grapefruit. From the best I could tell, he didn't give any indications of suspicion on Grapefruit previously, but I've already expressed that his posting style is not something that I can actually work with. At all. So if I'm missing something here, feel free to point it out for me. With him hammering as quickly as he did, though, and with no logic to indicate suspicion of Grapefruit beforehand, it seems (to me) to be more of an attempt to be seen more as a bussing attempt - he wants to be seen trying to lynch scum so as to secure himself as town, since most of you have been quite willing to just give him a pass based on his 'content'.
Second, regarding Omnom. Again, I'm resigned to my own death at this point. And I think I've made it pretty clear that I feel Tom should be the one looked at next - I wasn't aware that I needed to spell that out. Omnom... I'm not at the point where I'm willing to townclear him, but I also am not at the point where I'm willing to push him as scum. He has very few posts to derive any information from. His comment from his vote on Grape, that he still felt we should give Grape time to defend himself, makes me think of town. Yet I still have reservations from his initial 'claim', particularly now that we can mostly pin down the roles in the game. In particular, there is only one Mafia PR (the Roleblocker) possible based on the grid, meaning that Omnom's claim of not being 'roled' could be seen as true regardless of whether he's town or scum, as the Mafia Goon would be considered the scum equivalent of the Vanilla Townie. At this point, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but admit that he may still be scum.
I do believe that Rhand is town - there's just too many steps that have to be followed for me to see his actions here as scum, given his play up to this point. I also don't believe that Rhand thinks Omnom is scum - but as I've stated, I don't see scum actually taking the shot on Omnom over Rhand, so it makes sense to get an opinion from him of where to go next in the event that he does get killed.
So, that leaves Vaimes. And the progression here is interesting. On day 1, you had displayed no interest in me whatsoever, first putting a vote on Rhand at the close of RVS before putting the L-1 vote on Nobue. Day 2, you posted this:
I took a look at Harsh's posts to see why the mafia killed him, and didn't really come away with anything. This was his first game, and I didn't see anything that looked like a PR crumb/slip.
Kind of a small thing, but I'm not sure I see scum!Blues going "you've got until this exact time before I hammer/vote you." That, and accusing Grape of being scum for defending her. I think scum arguing that someone else is scum for knowing their alignment is preeetty ballsy and doesn't seem like her style. Alsoooo I found a Thing that makes me very very disinterested in lynching her.
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tom, do you think your posts in this game have helped you further your wincon?
The bolded part is particularly interesting - you said you found something that made you disinterested in lynching me. I asked you in #169 to elaborate on what this thing is - you never responded to that part of the post, even when you acknowledged my correction on the gender issue. I'm more curious now, because I know there's no mechanical thing you could have found - the only PRs possible in the game based on Grape's flip are a town Doc, or a town BG and 1-shot Vig pair. So what is this 'thing' that you found, and what has changed to make it no longer apply?
And starting toDay, you were looking at Rhand or Omnom as the likely options for Grape's partner, while putting up a minor defense for me - and then, you somehow convince yourself that I'm scum because I started the wagon on Grape, and put me at L-1 'to encourage activity'.
...Yet, I'm still alive. Which tells me that one of the votes on me comes from scum, barring the outlying possibility of Omnom being scum and lurking.
If Rhand were scum, he could've easily hammered me when he posted, and gotten by without much comment - he also could've killed Omnom himself to try and pit Vaimes and Tom against each other. I'm willing to townlock him at this point, since I don't see any value for scum!Rhand to not hammer me with his last posts.
Omnom popped in to post, and likewise could've easily hammered me if he were scum. And again, I'm seeing no reason for scum!Omnom not to hammer me at that point. So I can townclear him.
All three days, I've had people looking at me as a lynch target. Tom has been consistent on that wagon, and has generally been the first one to push it. Vaimes, on the other hand, has made an interesting swing around to seeing me as scum toDay. So the question is whether Tom is tunneling or not. And based on rereading everyone (both in ISO and as a whole), I am thinking that Tom... actually may be town.
Unvote Vote: Vaimes
If Vaimes were to flip town, then I would absolutely have to lock Tom as scum in that case. But after the rereads, Tom has at least been consistent, while Vaimes's turnaround on my position within the past Day - and the unanswered question of what he supposedly found to make him uninterested in lynching me Day 2 - makes me think that he's scum trying to bring me down.
But I still want to see a town win, so where do you go in the event that Omnom flips town when I do, or where would you suggest for town to go if you die?
beep boop, TMI detected
I'm probably preaching to the choir, given there's no real counterwagon, but whatever vOv
If Rhand were scum, he could've easily hammered me when he posted, and gotten by without much comment - he also could've killed Omnom himself to try and pit Vaimes and Tom against each other. I'm willing to townlock him at this point, since I don't see any value for scum!Rhand to not hammer me with his last posts.
Omnom popped in to post, and likewise could've easily hammered me if he were scum. And again, I'm seeing no reason for scum!Omnom not to hammer me at that point. So I can townclear him.
From the best I could tell, he didn't give any indications of suspicion on Grapefruit previously, but I've already expressed that his posting style is not something that I can actually work with. At all. So if I'm missing something here, feel free to point it out for me.
do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth?
Also I want your opinion on tom with the perspective of having played with him using gimmicks before. I think the only good feelings I have towards his slot are derived from the fact that it's a gimmick and not his content. And rereading him I still don't see what he was pointing to in standing against the Nobue lynch.
Blues, the “Thing” was a fake gambit I was gonna try out but ended up not doing.
Your wagon stalling doesn’t mean you’re town. It’s not like the last scum can hammer you for the win; they’d have to do it strategically so that they don’t get caught in LyLo.
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Hey Rhand, why don’t you talk about your solution before you ask for claims.
Sigh. I had the whole explanation typed out, but decided not to post it.
Can you two please just claim? If I explain myself now, then we lose a chance to catch scum (if the scum isn't Blues).
If you're saying that the last scum can't hammer me for risk of being caught, Vaimes, then it means one of two things. Either scum has to NOT vote me at all - meaning they'd have to persuade everyone else that I'm town - or they have to be one of the votes already on the wagon. As it stands, only you and Tom are actively trying to push for a lynch on me. Neither Rhand or Omnom have taken that step, or we wouldn't be having this discussion. If Omnom or Rhand are scum, then I'm not sure what kind of play they would be going for here. That being said, I still will reiterate that Vaimes is my #1 scumpick, Tom second - so there's where you should look after I get lynched.
As far as Rhand's massclaim suggestion goes, he's got something planned - I'm interested to see what he's thinking of. I've already claimed (back on page 2), but I'll restate it here - I'm Vanilla Town.
Sigh. I had the whole explanation typed out, but decided not to post it.
Can you two please just claim? If I explain myself now, then we lose a chance to catch scum (if the scum isn't Blues).
If we do have any roles present, it's best to keep them unknown so they don't get killed off. Creating a credible roled town member is quite useless when they're dead. I'd rather not risk potentially blowing the cover of our allies in hiding.
Once a roled member comes under heavy fire or scrutiny, which is quite likely given the random bent of Day 1 votes, it's extremely likely the vote can go awry and result in the lynching of somebody useful. In order to prevent this, I have volunteered myself so we can gather more information to make more informed voting decisions later on. Although it may homogenize the voting record, it allows us to look for "throwaway" votes more easily given the timing of these votes. I'm presenting us with a safe option, an 'out', if you will.
I may be giving this a little too much credit. Because it's, like, pretty bad.
I sort of get the impulse. Protect our PRs. But the situation he's planning for. It's we run up a PR day 1, they claim, and cfd to another. And I think it's half the grid that only has 1 PR. So ~50% chance for a 2/7 chance for a 1/6 chance... but I guess that's still higher than the chances he did the math on that
So it's a pretty bad plan. Especially because if we do get a PR claim it's moderately more likely to come from scum.
I'm off topic.
What scum starts the game with "you can lynch me if you need to"?
No matter how unlikely the scenario.
Why take away the option of fakeclaiming?
I don't like all of these random votes by players. Seems silly.
Tom seems to be the one posting the least content.
So
Vote Tom
So ehm you don't like random voting and then you place a random vote? vote Nobue_Itoh
I thought I did give a reason?
You mean that was a serious vote? Then why the smiley?
this is a little rvs pre push. a bit of goalpost moving with the vote for random voting then the reaction to it being serious. like he's already decided to scumread him
@Rhand that is quite the jump there. I get that it seems opportunistic, but is there more to it?
He's way too happy with what he perceives as a bad response.
I guess it could be town being happy they caught scum, but he can't be sure enough of that to be this happy about it.
Way more likely he's scum being happy that this mislynch is in the bag. Which ironically isn't going to happen now.
mentions the town motivation but discounts it. also maybe a slip that he knows blues is town?
Grapefruit really went for the smear campaign the moment I went on Blue.
Rhand just seems bad at this game.
So EZ game you can all thank me for the Blue and Grapefruit call.
If you think calling me bad is gonna get me off your case, think again. Why not explain why my conclusion is wrong instead of calling me a bad player for reaching it?
ignores nobue's solving to just be reactionary to the part about him
Rhand starts it, does most of the work, and was first on the wagon. I like 79 in particular. He's one of the few people trying who is appearing to actively attempt to solve the game. Probably town.
I mean it just kind of makes sense. I see nothing that looks unaligned. They asked each other some soft questions. Very little follow up.
Grape openly townread Rhand.
Rhand shows no signs of thinking about Grape's alignment. Throws him into the same grouping with Blues that nobue and I were pushing, but shows no indication of going Grape over Blues.
Maybe he would have if he'd been around for end of day.
Ugh... tomsloger's posting only in short phrases/quotes is bugging me already. On the other hand, Omnomnominath's post bugs me - not sure why he'd post that so early if town and if there's no wagon on him. Any thoughts from people regarding this?
If we do have any roles present, it's best to keep them unknown so they don't get killed off. Creating a credible roled town member is quite useless when they're dead. I'd rather not risk potentially blowing the cover of our allies in hiding.
But by claiming what you said you're narrowing the pool while also suggesting that people lynch the only person you know the alignment of. I actually do believe you (tentatively) just don't understand why you'd do it.
that "tentatively" is not something I think scum throws in if theyre talking about their buddy here.
If we do have any roles present, it's best to keep them unknown so they don't get killed off. Creating a credible roled town member is quite useless when they're dead. I'd rather not risk potentially blowing the cover of our allies in hiding.
Once a roled member comes under heavy fire or scrutiny, which is quite likely given the random bent of Day 1 votes, it's extremely likely the vote can go awry and result in the lynching of somebody useful. In order to prevent this, I have volunteered myself so we can gather more information to make more informed voting decisions later on. Although it may homogenize the voting record, it allows us to look for "throwaway" votes more easily given the timing of these votes. I'm presenting us with a safe option, an 'out', if you will.
I may be giving this a little too much credit. Because it's, like, pretty bad.
I sort of get the impulse. Protect our PRs. But the situation he's planning for. It's we run up a PR day 1, they claim, and cfd to another. And I think it's half the grid that only has 1 PR. So ~50% chance for a 2/7 chance for a 1/6 chance... but I guess that's still higher than the chances he did the math on that
So it's a pretty bad plan. Especially because if we do get a PR claim it's moderately more likely to come from scum.
I'm off topic.
What scum starts the game with "you can lynch me if you need to"?
No matter how unlikely the scenario.
Why take away the option of fakeclaiming?
@omnom is this your first game?
To explain that OOC/OOG, this is my first game on this subforum. I played a similar variant elsewhere. My "I'm a safe option" was a holdover from the meta I was used to, and my first reaction when I found out I was just a regular town member.
I'm still going to hold my vote. Rhand's push for mass reveal doesn't seem to sketchy in my eyes, although I understand where the suspicion is coming from. As for the voting record, his push on Nobue would essentially lend himself towards playing steamroller style, something he has been doing. Assuming Rhand votes for you (Tom), this vote's going to come down... to me. In that case, I would still like to hear Rhand's defense. Voting now would be... unwise.
I'm very wary of steamroller Rhand. The night kills match up pretty well to silencing those that are potential and known threats against you. However, Tom, you could very well be using your general trusted position and this knowledge to create a frame job, so I'm not sure. Definitely need Rhand to say something though.
well now that its confirmed, feel free to ask me anything omnom. i can go in depth on my posts from before i started speaking in full sentences or whatever.
but its pretty clear me and grape arent buddies even through the posting restriction imo
I would tend to agree with that analysis, but it's entirely possible you were just trying to create separation. I'm going to wait for Rhand. Until then, I have things to mull over.
Regarding Tom... the whole gimmick posting he's doing bugs me, because he's able to avoid providing any real opinions, and cannot elaborate on his opinions effectively due to the 'post restriction' that he's under. It's left to us to try and decipher the meaning of whatever quotes he puts forth - and then, if his posting does result in a mislynch, he can try to claim that it's because we didn't interpret the quotes he posted properly. His posting pattern makes me think he's scum as well, given that he's backed Nobue the entire time (or perhaps vice-versa, since he did vote before Nobue), but I am far less certain because I can't tell what he's really thinking - again, because he's masking his thoughts behind that gimmick.
oh right, that thing i couldnt figure out how to explain
not relevant anymore, but the link is to dv, who was scum in that game, making a super similar push on me doing a shards of alara flavor text gimmick. it just kind of... frustrated him that people thought i was town. thought i was seeing the same thing from blues.
man that grape/blues team made so much sense. i wasnt even paying attention to rhand.
I was convinced nobue was scum. And when he flipped town, I took his reads serious. I did explain why I scumread Grape after Nobue's flip. I thought he was town when we were lynching nobue because he kept mimicking my thoughts. With nobue's townflip I re-evaluated that read. What Grape did was basic scum behavior, following a town member's case on another town and pushing for the lynch with town's support. nobue had to flip for me to realize that.
The reason I was asking tom for a read on nobue is because I was townreading him, and all he wanted to talk about is how Blues was scum. Instead of giving input on the growing nobue wagon, he only kept saying we should lynch Blues. Which is the only thing he's done all game until Blues just flipped town, and here he is dropping his 'post restriction' and trying for the final mislynch.
Sadly for tom, I'm that townie that Grape abused, and with the claim yesterDay he lost Vaimes as possible mislynch. I'm 100% sure he would've come in fake-claiming doctor and either me or omnom would have to be chosing between him and Vaimes, giving him way better chances than the situation he's in now. I was on the verge of voting him over Blues yesterDay with his "pat on the back" post and the fighting of the massclaim, but figured Blues was still a possibility, and omnom will choose right toDay.
I was convinced nobue was scum. And when he flipped town, I took his reads serious. I did explain why I scumread Grape after Nobue's flip. I thought he was town when we were lynching nobue because he kept mimicking my thoughts. With nobue's townflip I re-evaluated that read. What Grape did was basic scum behavior, following a town member's case on another town and pushing for the lynch with town's support. nobue had to flip for me to realize that.
The reason I was asking tom for a read on nobue is because I was townreading him, and all he wanted to talk about is how Blues was scum. Instead of giving input on the growing nobue wagon, he only kept saying we should lynch Blues. Which is the only thing he's done all game until Blues just flipped town, and here he is dropping his 'post restriction' and trying for the final mislynch.
Sadly for tom, I'm that townie that Grape abused, and with the claim yesterDay he lost Vaimes as possible mislynch. I'm 100% sure he would've come in fake-claiming doctor and either me or omnom would have to be chosing between him and Vaimes, giving him way better chances than the situation he's in now. I was on the verge of voting him over Blues yesterDay with his "pat on the back" post and the fighting of the massclaim, but figured Blues was still a possibility, and omnom will choose right toDay.
vote: tom
you were convinced nobue was scum because... he was confident. thats it, right? he seemed joyful about catching blues?
i was joyful as ***** dude. "boom bye scum"
nah man. you decided who you were lynching day 1 before rvs was over.
and i did nothing but push blues AND GRAPE. it was only half right but saying i just pushed blues is bull.
I hope I didn't choose wrong... It's just that Scum Rhand would obviously be running a steamroller, something the night kills and voting record suggests. That's not something Scum Tom could account for since the beginning and follow through this conveniently. That is all. GG.
Mind you, I'm asking this with the full expectation that I won't be alive come the night, since it seems like the consensus is to lynch me, see my flip, and go from there. But I still want to see a town win, so where do you go in the event that Omnom flips town when I do, or where would you suggest for town to go if you die?
Blues, a better use of your time would be to figure out who the last scum is rather than doing the whole "whatcha gonna do when you mislynch me?" song and dance and leaving it at that. Why are you asking Rhand what town should do if he dies? You're the one about to die here, so why don't you tell us why we should lynch tom instead of you without using the word "gimmick." Or talk about your reads, or something that isn't complete radio silence.
Also you're kind of talking to Rhand like you know he's town.
I'm probably preaching to the choir, given there's no real counterwagon, but whatever vOv
Omnomnominath has been prodded.
That is all.
Agreed here. If you're a poor option, then who is a better one?
My Trades
First, regarding Tom. So far, as I've mentioned above, he has been consistently focused on me - barring his decision to quickhammer Grapefruit. From the best I could tell, he didn't give any indications of suspicion on Grapefruit previously, but I've already expressed that his posting style is not something that I can actually work with. At all. So if I'm missing something here, feel free to point it out for me. With him hammering as quickly as he did, though, and with no logic to indicate suspicion of Grapefruit beforehand, it seems (to me) to be more of an attempt to be seen more as a bussing attempt - he wants to be seen trying to lynch scum so as to secure himself as town, since most of you have been quite willing to just give him a pass based on his 'content'.
Second, regarding Omnom. Again, I'm resigned to my own death at this point. And I think I've made it pretty clear that I feel Tom should be the one looked at next - I wasn't aware that I needed to spell that out. Omnom... I'm not at the point where I'm willing to townclear him, but I also am not at the point where I'm willing to push him as scum. He has very few posts to derive any information from. His comment from his vote on Grape, that he still felt we should give Grape time to defend himself, makes me think of town. Yet I still have reservations from his initial 'claim', particularly now that we can mostly pin down the roles in the game. In particular, there is only one Mafia PR (the Roleblocker) possible based on the grid, meaning that Omnom's claim of not being 'roled' could be seen as true regardless of whether he's town or scum, as the Mafia Goon would be considered the scum equivalent of the Vanilla Townie. At this point, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but admit that he may still be scum.
I do believe that Rhand is town - there's just too many steps that have to be followed for me to see his actions here as scum, given his play up to this point. I also don't believe that Rhand thinks Omnom is scum - but as I've stated, I don't see scum actually taking the shot on Omnom over Rhand, so it makes sense to get an opinion from him of where to go next in the event that he does get killed.
So, that leaves Vaimes. And the progression here is interesting. On day 1, you had displayed no interest in me whatsoever, first putting a vote on Rhand at the close of RVS before putting the L-1 vote on Nobue. Day 2, you posted this: The bolded part is particularly interesting - you said you found something that made you disinterested in lynching me. I asked you in #169 to elaborate on what this thing is - you never responded to that part of the post, even when you acknowledged my correction on the gender issue. I'm more curious now, because I know there's no mechanical thing you could have found - the only PRs possible in the game based on Grape's flip are a town Doc, or a town BG and 1-shot Vig pair. So what is this 'thing' that you found, and what has changed to make it no longer apply?
And starting toDay, you were looking at Rhand or Omnom as the likely options for Grape's partner, while putting up a minor defense for me - and then, you somehow convince yourself that I'm scum because I started the wagon on Grape, and put me at L-1 'to encourage activity'.
...Yet, I'm still alive. Which tells me that one of the votes on me comes from scum, barring the outlying possibility of Omnom being scum and lurking.
If Rhand were scum, he could've easily hammered me when he posted, and gotten by without much comment - he also could've killed Omnom himself to try and pit Vaimes and Tom against each other. I'm willing to townlock him at this point, since I don't see any value for scum!Rhand to not hammer me with his last posts.
Omnom popped in to post, and likewise could've easily hammered me if he were scum. And again, I'm seeing no reason for scum!Omnom not to hammer me at that point. So I can townclear him.
All three days, I've had people looking at me as a lynch target. Tom has been consistent on that wagon, and has generally been the first one to push it. Vaimes, on the other hand, has made an interesting swing around to seeing me as scum toDay. So the question is whether Tom is tunneling or not. And based on rereading everyone (both in ISO and as a whole), I am thinking that Tom... actually may be town.
Unvote
Vote: Vaimes
If Vaimes were to flip town, then I would absolutely have to lock Tom as scum in that case. But after the rereads, Tom has at least been consistent, while Vaimes's turnaround on my position within the past Day - and the unanswered question of what he supposedly found to make him uninterested in lynching me Day 2 - makes me think that he's scum trying to bring me down.
Let's massclaim.
So claim please tom.
Your wagon stalling doesn’t mean you’re town. It’s not like the last scum can hammer you for the win; they’d have to do it strategically so that they don’t get caught in LyLo.
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Hey Rhand, why don’t you talk about your solution before you ask for claims.
Can you two please just claim? If I explain myself now, then we lose a chance to catch scum (if the scum isn't Blues).
As far as Rhand's massclaim suggestion goes, he's got something planned - I'm interested to see what he's thinking of. I've already claimed (back on page 2), but I'll restate it here - I'm Vanilla Town.
@tom / Vaimes: please explain me why mass claiming the Day before lylo/mylo is a bad idea.
BluesEclipse: tomsloger, Vaimes (L-1)
Omnomnominath: (L-3)
Rhand: (L-3)
tomsloger: (L-3)
Vaimes: BluesEclipse (L-2)
Not Voting:
Omnomnominath, Rhand
With 5 alive, it's 3 to lynch.
Deadline is 3 October 2017.
I’m the Doctor, tom is vanilla, now explain yourself.
If your plan relied on us both being the Vig/Bodyguard, I will hit you.
vote: BluesEclipse
Votecount:
BluesEclipse: tomsloger, Vaimes, Rhand (L-0)
Omnomnominath: (L-3)
Rhand: (L-3)
tomsloger: (L-3)
Vaimes: BluesEclipse (L-2)
Not Voting:
Omnomnominath
It is now Night 3. Night actions are due within 48 hours.
Day 4 Begins!
Votecount:
Omnomnominath: (L-2)
Rhand: (L-2)
tomsloger: (L-2)
Not Voting:
Omnomnominath, Rhand, tomsloger
With 3 alive, it's 2 to lynch.
gonna do a full reset though since ive been on grape/blues since day 1
hi
I sort of get the impulse. Protect our PRs. But the situation he's planning for. It's we run up a PR day 1, they claim, and cfd to another. And I think it's half the grid that only has 1 PR. So ~50% chance for a 2/7 chance for a 1/6 chance... but I guess that's still higher than the chances he did the math on that
So it's a pretty bad plan. Especially because if we do get a PR claim it's moderately more likely to come from scum.
I'm off topic.
What scum starts the game with "you can lynch me if you need to"?
No matter how unlikely the scenario.
Why take away the option of fakeclaiming?
@omnom is this your first game?
this is a little rvs pre push. a bit of goalpost moving with the vote for random voting then the reaction to it being serious. like he's already decided to scumread him
mentions the town motivation but discounts it. also maybe a slip that he knows blues is town?
ignores nobue's solving to just be reactionary to the part about him
and a bunch of trying to doubtcast nobue to me
rhand definitely gunning for nobue from the word go
And then Grape just has rhand as his top town:
While Rhand has him, well
He doesn't say anything negative about him except which came just after
Grape openly townread Rhand.
Rhand shows no signs of thinking about Grape's alignment. Throws him into the same grouping with Blues that nobue and I were pushing, but shows no indication of going Grape over Blues.
Maybe he would have if he'd been around for end of day.
im convinced
vote rhand
To explain that OOC/OOG, this is my first game on this subforum. I played a similar variant elsewhere. My "I'm a safe option" was a holdover from the meta I was used to, and my first reaction when I found out I was just a regular town member.
I'm still going to hold my vote. Rhand's push for mass reveal doesn't seem to sketchy in my eyes, although I understand where the suspicion is coming from. As for the voting record, his push on Nobue would essentially lend himself towards playing steamroller style, something he has been doing. Assuming Rhand votes for you (Tom), this vote's going to come down... to me. In that case, I would still like to hear Rhand's defense. Voting now would be... unwise.
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but its pretty clear me and grape arent buddies even through the posting restriction imo
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not relevant anymore, but the link is to dv, who was scum in that game, making a super similar push on me doing a shards of alara flavor text gimmick. it just kind of... frustrated him that people thought i was town. thought i was seeing the same thing from blues.
man that grape/blues team made so much sense. i wasnt even paying attention to rhand.
The reason I was asking tom for a read on nobue is because I was townreading him, and all he wanted to talk about is how Blues was scum. Instead of giving input on the growing nobue wagon, he only kept saying we should lynch Blues. Which is the only thing he's done all game until Blues just flipped town, and here he is dropping his 'post restriction' and trying for the final mislynch.
Sadly for tom, I'm that townie that Grape abused, and with the claim yesterDay he lost Vaimes as possible mislynch. I'm 100% sure he would've come in fake-claiming doctor and either me or omnom would have to be chosing between him and Vaimes, giving him way better chances than the situation he's in now. I was on the verge of voting him over Blues yesterDay with his "pat on the back" post and the fighting of the massclaim, but figured Blues was still a possibility, and omnom will choose right toDay.
vote: tom
Omnomnominath: (L-2)
Rhand: tomsloger (L-1)
tomsloger: Rhand (L-1)
Not Voting:
Omnomnominath
With 3 alive, it's 2 to lynch.
i was joyful as ***** dude. "boom bye scum"
nah man. you decided who you were lynching day 1 before rvs was over.
and i did nothing but push blues AND GRAPE. it was only half right but saying i just pushed blues is bull.
@omnom lemme know what you want answered. im here.
Vote: Rhand
I hope I didn't choose wrong... It's just that Scum Rhand would obviously be running a steamroller, something the night kills and voting record suggests. That's not something Scum Tom could account for since the beginning and follow through this conveniently. That is all. GG.
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