Cyan is lock town by the way, unless he suddenly found his love for mafia restored. Judging by the pessimism, I doubt it
Are you actually playing this game or are you an observer who accidentally started posting?
Use your words and talk about your reads.
I am, Get over yourself.
Cyan has hos town tone on. His wolf voice is much less stove voice. Town odds more assertive.
Kj is tri n to solve the habe from what i can see.
Apart from my reaCtion test, osie has done very little measurable pays, imo.
Haven't really been looking at Other people, honestly. Vaimes, i just have reasons for.
I recognize that I'm starting to get a little snippy, so I'll try to chill out. But you make absolutely no sense. If you think I'm town, you are essentially planning on letting me die for...no reason? How is anyone supposed to take that seriously?
@Vaimes I think you're town. I think Arc is scum. I don't know what to make of Cyan. More inclined to believe he's town here. Talk to me more about GJ. I agree his non defense of you looks suspect, but does anything else stand out to you about him? Do you think his gambit indicates anything? What about his slight push on Osie?
I realize I pointed out how it didn't make any sense earlier, but it's particularly stupid for scum!GJ to not back themselves up here. It's always better to just let a mislynch happen (not assuming scum/scum vaimes/GJ here because it's particularly crappy and I'm putting stock on you guys after seeing the Fortian/Ecoproph hydras) or if you do want to get cred for calling the mislynch you at least don't fully halfass it like here.
As for Vaimes himself I'm liking the tone of his posts better now. I can see his thought process. Leaning town now.
This is the point where I should suggest a new lynch option, but I'd rather do a reread first on those out of the remaining pool, removing my other townreads / leans which are pretty much unchanged. I'm cramming for an exam this friday, though. I'll try to get around it somepoint soon, definitely before EoD.
I realize I pointed out how it didn't make any sense earlier, but it's particularly stupid for scum!GJ to not back themselves up here. It's always better to just let a mislynch happen (not assuming scum/scum vaimes/GJ here because it's particularly crappy and I'm putting stock on you guys after seeing the Fortian/Ecoproph hydras) or if you do want to get cred for calling the mislynch you at least don't fully halfass it like here.
As for Vaimes himself I'm liking the tone of his posts better now. I can see his thought process. Leaning town now.
This is the point where I should suggest a new lynch option, but I'd rather do a reread first on those out of the remaining pool, removing my other townreads / leans which are pretty much unchanged. I'm cramming for an exam this friday, though. I'll try to get around it somepoint soon, definitely before EoD.
What makes you think Vaimes is town from the last few posts? It looks like scum scrambling to find a way out of the pit. He claims he is VT, but he just looks desperate to survive instead of trying to solve the game and leave us with some confirmed reads.
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I still can't see a scum motive for GJ's gambit. Like, if we follow the logic: GJ outright lies about someone basically claiming scum to them in a chat. Literally all that will do is draw attention to him. And, if he and Osie are town, folowing a lynch/death of Osie, suspicion falls on him.
It's insanely risky from a scum perspective. It really doesn't make sense in most worlds.
I can maybe see SOMEONE pulling this gambit as scum/scum.... but not GJ. There are a list of players that I could see trying that this early, and GJ isn't one of them.
I said earlier that I was torn on GJ because of this contrasted with him actually trying stuff D1. I just can't see scum!GJ putting that much attention on himself for basically no gain.
So, GJ is heavy lean town.
I forgot that Terry was the one who did the summary of all the posts. It has a little analysis but is mostly information. His conclusion about me specifically (there wasn't one) having apperently mindmelded twice at that point is weird. Like, if I'm mindmelding twice with someone in 50ish posts, maybe I start to have opinions on that person.
I also don't see many town reasons for makiing a 50 post summary at that point in the game.Its literally doing nothing to advance the game.
Osie's reaction was standard. If someone fakes a cop shot on you (which this gambit is effectively doing, saying he has knowledge that a person is scum), expected reaction is either calling BULL***** or being extremely confused (if you were heavily townreading that player).
His overall reaction is probably not alignment indicitive, since it was so expected.
I say again that I dislike Arc's conclusions on the gambit, but I like his questions overall.
Grapefruit is spending a lot of effort trying to devalue GJ's gambit. (mention in 66, 81)
I'm actually thinking that Grape and Terry are scum right now. End of P2. Part of my read on Terry is he's... tamer... than usual. Less abrasive. Like he cares more that people not get mad at him for being like that.
Grape is more gut.
I feel like Cyan is best read by meta, which is information I do not have. He does appear to be thinking about the game, which means he's not an ideal lynch d1 at any rate. By which I mean he's far enough out of PoE to lynch toDay, I think.
That's probably true of Vaimes too. He's apperently really obvious as scum, and I'm not seeing it.
Vezok's 118 is pretty townie, I think. His "this is Osie's vote" followed immediately by a vote of his own feels weird coming from scum.
Rethinking Grape AND Terry being scum together as of 134. It occurs to me that Grape's been defending Terry more than a scumbuddy might.
@GanDan: You probably don't need to beleive me on this, but effort isn't a tell from me. I tend to range from too little to WAY too much dependent on time and current level of laziness.
Gah but Grape's 183 irks me again. He's REALLY pushing for GJ to be scum and I don't like it.
So I'm done now. Dan is null.
It's either Grape or Terry for me today, I think. Unvote first of all.
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Vote Terry. I think he's slightly more scummy here.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
What makes you think Vaimes is town from the last few posts? It looks like scum scrambling to find a way out of the pit. He claims he is VT, but he just looks desperate to survive instead of trying to solve the game and leave us with some confirmed reads.
Point out one post that looks like I'm "desperate"?
Also I asked you a question. Please state for the record that you either missed it or are deliberately ignoring it, so I can properly drag you later if need be.
@Vaimes I think you're town. I think Arc is scum. I don't know what to make of Cyan. More inclined to believe he's town here. Talk to me more about GJ. I agree his non defense of you looks suspect, but does anything else stand out to you about him? Do you think his gambit indicates anything? What about his slight push on Osie?
Literally aside from the gambit and his weird "vaimes is town but idc" he hasn't done anything, much less something alignment indicative.
@Killjoy: Let me get this straight here. You are scum reading me for:
1. I made a list because this game was dead as door nails? How can you not see a town reason to do that? Did you actually read all of the post?
2. I said I mind melded with you twice, but did't make a comment on you in my summary? Did you just skip post #77?
3. I'm not being abrasive? You are kind of right about this. I am making a conscious effort to be less abrasive in this game because I already promised to /out any game Cyan was in because it was such an issue in Mistborn. I broke that promise to play in this game and I'm trying to be on good behavior because having me and Cyan spiral down into what happened in Mistborn is anti-town.
On a side note, I just got done Hydraing with Grape and he probably got to know my personality better than most people here, so... yeah.
As for the rest of your post:
1. At first agreed that GJ wouldn't make that move as scum, but lately a couple things have been bugging me. I know this won't help your theory that me and grape are scum, but his stances on Vaimes and Osi have me second guessing.
2. Are you equipped to make strictly meta reads on Cyan?
3. I'd like to hear more about your town read on Vaimes because I haven't seen much to change my mind on him lately.
4. I'd like to hear more about your town read on Vezok, I don't quite follow what you are saying about the Osi vote.
5. What worries you about Dan? He's seems to me the townies player of the game.
Realistically, trying to move the town onto a separate, successful wagon with our levels of (in)activity seems unlikely to be productive at this point. What happens if we run someone up to L-2 and they claim a PR at, like, 10pm on a Friday night? Do we really anticipate being able to move the lynch again before deadline?
I'm not trying to advocate actively lynching someone we consider to be town, but lynching VT and getting some confirmation on your reads (which, @Vaimes, you should make clear in a T/S list before deadline) is better than a no lynch at this point.
What makes you think Vaimes is town from the last few posts? It looks like scum scrambling to find a way out of the pit. He claims he is VT, but he just looks desperate to survive instead of trying to solve the game and leave us with some confirmed reads.
Point out one post that looks like I'm "desperate"?
Also I asked you a question. Please state for the record that you either missed it or are deliberately ignoring it, so I can properly drag you later if need be.
I'm assuming 2 scum this game because 3 is a little busted and gives us almost no mislynches.
8/2->6/2->4/2 assuming all mislynches, we have two.
But no lynch means 7/2->5/2 which is the same number: 1 mislynch before lylo. But it does buy us more time if we can't agree.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'm assuming 2 scum this game because 3 is a little busted and gives us almost no mislynches.
8/2->6/2->4/2 assuming all mislynches, we have two.
But no lynch means 7/2->5/2 which is the same number: 1 mislynch before lylo. But it does buy us more time if we can't agree.
I hate no lynches. Even if I were to put my hatred aside and decide to speculate on the numbers, a Day 1 no-lynch is the absolute worst. Especially a 5 page Day 1 no Lynch. If we are going to make a setup spec decision to use a no Lynch, I think it'd be better later in the game. As far as the numbers go, I'm a bit torn because two scum seems too few and three scum seems too many.
What makes you think Vaimes is town from the last few posts? It looks like scum scrambling to find a way out of the pit. He claims he is VT, but he just looks desperate to survive instead of trying to solve the game and leave us with some confirmed reads.
Point out one post that looks like I'm "desperate"?
Also I asked you a question. Please state for the record that you either missed it or are deliberately ignoring it, so I can properly drag you later if need be.
This post feels completely forced honestly.
Do me a favor and ignore all of my posts. I'm getting sick of you lobbing potshots for 0 reason.
This is PURELY to ensure that a D1 lynch goes through, since not enough people think I'm scum to really guarantee it. "But Vaimes, it's antitown to self-vote!" Yeah, well, No Lynching on MTGS is the ******* worst and I'd rather some hard info goes out than have to live through another D1 of this game.
I realize I pointed out how it didn't make any sense earlier, but it's particularly stupid for scum!GJ to not back themselves up here. It's always better to just let a mislynch happen (not assuming scum/scum vaimes/GJ here because it's particularly crappy and I'm putting stock on you guys after seeing the Fortian/Ecoproph hydras) or if you do want to get cred for calling the mislynch you at least don't fully halfass it like here.
As for Vaimes himself I'm liking the tone of his posts better now. I can see his thought process. Leaning town now.
This is the point where I should suggest a new lynch option, but I'd rather do a reread first on those out of the remaining pool, removing my other townreads / leans which are pretty much unchanged. I'm cramming for an exam this friday, though. I'll try to get around it somepoint soon, definitely before EoD.
What makes you think Vaimes is town from the last few posts? It looks like scum scrambling to find a way out of the pit. He claims he is VT, but he just looks desperate to survive instead of trying to solve the game and leave us with some confirmed reads.
Looking back on his interactions with Cyan throughout the day, I can see it leading up to his read change stated at 185 and 190 as a genuine progression.
I fail to see where you concluded "scum scrambling", I didn't see anything extraordinary. And not wanting to die just because he's VT being something you scumread him for is ridiculous.
I don't put too much stock on "confirmed reads" because he essentially knows as much or less about setup as we do at this point so he's bound to be about as wrong as the average living player (less, in fact, since we'll have flips), even if we know they came from the right place.
The only positive I've seen from Cyan was his second guessing when Vaimes voted - which to be fair came from a false narrative. Everything else from him has been 100% gut accusations (minus a townread on Osieb) which are untraceable to some sort of logic at all. Boggled on how this is an almost consensus townread.
Vezok insistently not interacting with Vaimes after parking his vote, despite having done so with Terry at length before, and since then barely attempting to do any gamesolving -- besides vaguely pointing at Vaimes and calling him even more scummy, and a short comment on GJ after his gambit -- make me think he's just attempting to ride this wagon along, not worrying about taking a second look at his read or anybody else for that matter.
I don't think Osie is scum but I think Vaimes and Terry are town.
Vote: Osieorb18
@Killjoy I don't think GJ is scum. I just don't think his gambit was AI. And I don't like people clearing him for it.
So...what? You don't like GJ, or you think the people clearing him for it are scummy?
I am not sure what to make of people clearing him for it. I think his play has been entirely NAI this game. I said it that way because I don't actively think he's scum. I don't think he's town either. He's just there for me. Vaimes do you have thoughts on Osie? Since that wagon has more on it than Vez.
I dunno. osie could have kept his vote on me and not look as bad as the Holy Trinity hellbent on being wrong. Whoever of those three are town would probably be more easily lynched than osie imo.
So basically idk what his unvote was about there if scum.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Can you elaborate your read on Vezok? The latter part of his 118, which you townread him for, didn't actually answer Vaimes' point, yet you townread him for it which was weird.
I dunno. osie could have kept his vote on me and not look as bad as the Holy Trinity hellbent on being wrong. Whoever of those three are town would probably be more easily lynched than osie imo.
So basically idk what his unvote was about there if scum.
Echoing this. There's little motivation for scum to blank drop the wagon they were going for since earlier. I think Vaimes/Osieb/Terry are T/T/T, probably in that order.
Anyway, everyone should read the last Invitational, specifically how scum!Cyan played that game, and compare it to this one.
I'll say that in that game, people heavily meta-defended him, both his buddies and other townies.
It's not a lock, but him being so widely townread for essentially nothing or easily fakeable things has got to go when he's over here voting for people, ignoring them completely, making irrelevant posts, and not engaging with anyone.
I was scum reading Arc, but his recent posts have been really good even if I haven't had a chance to wrap my head around his case on Vezok yet.
It's really not that complicated. He voted Terry and didn't ignore him. He voted me and ignored me. He is also doing nothing productive. Why would he do all of that as town? Why would he do that as scum?
GJ, I know you're defending me and all, but you might have to be a person that dies at some point.
Get back to me on Cyan once you've skimmed his scumgame so I can get a better idea of your read progression. It shouldn't take more than like, ten minutes, and there's still an hour and some minutes 'til deadline.
It felt like he was questioning the vote on him. Like as if to say "Why vote Vaimes? Also, vote Vaimes".
I just ISO vezok, and he really is just passively saying Vaimes is bad without doing much else.
Let me think on that a bit. Actually my lunch is about over. Grrrrr.
**** it. You're probably right on him Arc. Vote vezok.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
3. My "busywork". Excuse me for trying to stimulate this game a bit and get a set of reads going. At just over 80 hours, this game had a total of 50 posts. Compare that to Zero Escape, which took just over 24 hours. Granted it's a 17 player game, but the corrected time should have been 56.5 hours if it were to keep the same pace. Things are moving slow and now we have something to talk about. We are actually having some meaningful exchanges here. If you actually read the whole post (I know walls can be scary and I usually don't like to do them), you'll see I'm not just recapping posts, I'm interjecting my opinions and what I think that means for alignments. Sure there are a few I just recap, but not every post can be AI. On top of that I put out several reads for everyone to see at the end and discuss what I learned from actually trying.
First off, posting an in depth analysis of the first page and discussing every single post in RVS is not stimulating the game. It's quite literally fluff.
Second, there is a reason why this game is not going as fast as Zero Escape and it's neither the number of players nor the amount of posts. This game started on Christmas when almost everyone doesn't have time for games. Wait for New Year's to pass and you'll see that the game will pick a lot of steam.
Although I still think Terry is scummy I'd like to see more content from the people who haven't really said anything yet, because Terry is exactly the type of player that scum will hide behind and just let him spam the thread.
This is full of shade and is showing zero interest in solving the game. Opens by shading Terry. Then has a useful critique. Followed by off topic explanation and then reiterating a scum read and saying that even if he isn't scum he needs to post less.
The gambit was so poorly executed that it's hard to gleam anything from it. It's true that GJ seems slightly townier for it, but it doesn't influence my read too much on him.
This feels like forced commentary. And unwilling to town read GJ. Gives me slight scum vibes.
Anyway the rest of it doesn't strike me strongly in either direction (neither do these two to be blunt), but it's enough I'd be willing to lynch rather than no lynching.
Arc is still my preferred lynch but he's looking slightly better recently and there is no momentum there.
I appreciate the vote, Grapefruit, but you didn't need to go and invent a completely separate reason for switching. "I'll lynch anyone other than [townreads], and vezo is not a strong townread" would have sufficed.
*shouts into the void* Townies who skip out on EoD without having the courtesy to say so ahead of time just make it easier for scum to check out at EoD and deny us the ability to actually lynch scummy people which is directly against your win condition!!!
Yeah, but I wanted to at least do my due diligence to make sure there weren't townie glimmers I'd missed. I didn't see them and those posts seemed worthy of being pointed out.
Reading the invitational I'm not sure what similarities you're seeing here. There is the selective engagement, but I remember that coming from not caring to be there townCyan in mistborn. Though maybe I'm misremembering since I was in a tunnel on him for so long that game.
Anyway I see that he was pushing you (vaimes) but not really interacting with you preferring to try to distance from his buddies and spar with Iso who had dunked his team. And he's mostly making wine laden arguments. Is there something else I'm missing that's applicable here?
So if no one else shows up the only lynch we can make happen is Vaimes. Which in that case I'd rather no lynch. No lynches are awful horrible things, but if it's that or a town read...
I read a bit of Mistborn and thought he was fairly engaged? Or at least less emotionless.
I think his scumplay is a lot closer to what he's doing here than his townplay. The whole "I'm playing mafia against my will" thing is eh, muddying it a lot more than I'd like it to.
I read a bit of Mistborn and thought he was fairly engaged? Or at least less emotionless.
I think his scumplay is a lot closer to what he's doing here than his townplay. The whole "I'm playing mafia against my will" thing is eh, muddying it a lot more than I'd like it to.
The problem is it's been there in mistborn and a bit in the invitational as well. I think that referring to it is NAI but it makes him a lot harder to read as a result. By the end of mistborn there was a lot of emotion (hence him and terry's awkward attempts to kiss and make up to start this game).
He could be scum, so could Vezo. I really have no idea. But we don't have the votes period right now. I'd happily CFD to him, but we need more votes.
My second question is "why am I scum?"
And then I'll get back to this, assuming I'm still alive.
I recognize that I'm starting to get a little snippy, so I'll try to chill out. But you make absolutely no sense. If you think I'm town, you are essentially planning on letting me die for...no reason? How is anyone supposed to take that seriously?
As for Vaimes himself I'm liking the tone of his posts better now. I can see his thought process. Leaning town now.
This is the point where I should suggest a new lynch option, but I'd rather do a reread first on those out of the remaining pool, removing my other townreads / leans which are pretty much unchanged. I'm cramming for an exam this friday, though. I'll try to get around it somepoint soon, definitely before EoD.
What makes you think Vaimes is town from the last few posts? It looks like scum scrambling to find a way out of the pit. He claims he is VT, but he just looks desperate to survive instead of trying to solve the game and leave us with some confirmed reads.
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I still can't see a scum motive for GJ's gambit. Like, if we follow the logic: GJ outright lies about someone basically claiming scum to them in a chat. Literally all that will do is draw attention to him. And, if he and Osie are town, folowing a lynch/death of Osie, suspicion falls on him.
It's insanely risky from a scum perspective. It really doesn't make sense in most worlds.
I can maybe see SOMEONE pulling this gambit as scum/scum.... but not GJ. There are a list of players that I could see trying that this early, and GJ isn't one of them.
I said earlier that I was torn on GJ because of this contrasted with him actually trying stuff D1. I just can't see scum!GJ putting that much attention on himself for basically no gain.
So, GJ is heavy lean town.
I forgot that Terry was the one who did the summary of all the posts. It has a little analysis but is mostly information. His conclusion about me specifically (there wasn't one) having apperently mindmelded twice at that point is weird. Like, if I'm mindmelding twice with someone in 50ish posts, maybe I start to have opinions on that person.
I also don't see many town reasons for makiing a 50 post summary at that point in the game.Its literally doing nothing to advance the game.
Osie's reaction was standard. If someone fakes a cop shot on you (which this gambit is effectively doing, saying he has knowledge that a person is scum), expected reaction is either calling BULL***** or being extremely confused (if you were heavily townreading that player).
His overall reaction is probably not alignment indicitive, since it was so expected.
I say again that I dislike Arc's conclusions on the gambit, but I like his questions overall.
Grapefruit is spending a lot of effort trying to devalue GJ's gambit. (mention in 66, 81)
I'm actually thinking that Grape and Terry are scum right now. End of P2. Part of my read on Terry is he's... tamer... than usual. Less abrasive. Like he cares more that people not get mad at him for being like that.
Grape is more gut.
I feel like Cyan is best read by meta, which is information I do not have. He does appear to be thinking about the game, which means he's not an ideal lynch d1 at any rate. By which I mean he's far enough out of PoE to lynch toDay, I think.
That's probably true of Vaimes too. He's apperently really obvious as scum, and I'm not seeing it.
Vezok's 118 is pretty townie, I think. His "this is Osie's vote" followed immediately by a vote of his own feels weird coming from scum.
Rethinking Grape AND Terry being scum together as of 134. It occurs to me that Grape's been defending Terry more than a scumbuddy might.
@GanDan: You probably don't need to beleive me on this, but effort isn't a tell from me. I tend to range from too little to WAY too much dependent on time and current level of laziness.
Gah but Grape's 183 irks me again. He's REALLY pushing for GJ to be scum and I don't like it.
So I'm done now. Dan is null.
It's either Grape or Terry for me today, I think. Unvote first of all.
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Cyan
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Vote Terry. I think he's slightly more scummy here.
Also I asked you a question. Please state for the record that you either missed it or are deliberately ignoring it, so I can properly drag you later if need be.
>town = trying to solve the game
>has GJ as a townlean
???
Literally aside from the gambit and his weird "vaimes is town but idc" he hasn't done anything, much less something alignment indicative.
1. I made a list because this game was dead as door nails? How can you not see a town reason to do that? Did you actually read all of the post?
2. I said I mind melded with you twice, but did't make a comment on you in my summary? Did you just skip post #77?
3. I'm not being abrasive? You are kind of right about this. I am making a conscious effort to be less abrasive in this game because I already promised to /out any game Cyan was in because it was such an issue in Mistborn. I broke that promise to play in this game and I'm trying to be on good behavior because having me and Cyan spiral down into what happened in Mistborn is anti-town.
On a side note, I just got done Hydraing with Grape and he probably got to know my personality better than most people here, so... yeah.
As for the rest of your post:
1. At first agreed that GJ wouldn't make that move as scum, but lately a couple things have been bugging me. I know this won't help your theory that me and grape are scum, but his stances on Vaimes and Osi have me second guessing.
2. Are you equipped to make strictly meta reads on Cyan?
3. I'd like to hear more about your town read on Vaimes because I haven't seen much to change my mind on him lately.
4. I'd like to hear more about your town read on Vezok, I don't quite follow what you are saying about the Osi vote.
5. What worries you about Dan? He's seems to me the townies player of the game.
I'm not trying to advocate actively lynching someone we consider to be town, but lynching VT and getting some confirmation on your reads (which, @Vaimes, you should make clear in a T/S list before deadline) is better than a no lynch at this point.
I really don't think Vaimes is scum.
This post feels completely forced honestly.
I'm assuming 2 scum this game because 3 is a little busted and gives us almost no mislynches.
8/2->6/2->4/2 assuming all mislynches, we have two.
But no lynch means 7/2->5/2 which is the same number: 1 mislynch before lylo. But it does buy us more time if we can't agree.
Unvote, vote Vaimes
This is PURELY to ensure that a D1 lynch goes through, since not enough people think I'm scum to really guarantee it. "But Vaimes, it's antitown to self-vote!" Yeah, well, No Lynching on MTGS is the ******* worst and I'd rather some hard info goes out than have to live through another D1 of this game.
See you all in a bit.
Osieorb18 -(2)- Gentleman Johnny, ganderin_dan
Vaimes -(4)- TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, vezokpiraka, Cyan, Vaimes
Arcthurus -(1)- Grapefruit21
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry -(1)- Killjoy
Not Voting -(2)- Arcthurus, Osieorb18
Lynch threshold is 6 votes.
Day 1 ends at 2359 Eastern Time on Friday 5 January 2018 LESS THAN 5 HOURS FROM NOW
Looking back on his interactions with Cyan throughout the day, I can see it leading up to his read change stated at 185 and 190 as a genuine progression.
I fail to see where you concluded "scum scrambling", I didn't see anything extraordinary. And not wanting to die just because he's VT being something you scumread him for is ridiculous.
I don't put too much stock on "confirmed reads" because he essentially knows as much or less about setup as we do at this point so he's bound to be about as wrong as the average living player (less, in fact, since we'll have flips), even if we know they came from the right place.
Vote: Osieorb18
@Killjoy I don't think GJ is scum. I just don't think his gambit was AI. And I don't like people clearing him for it.
Vezok insistently not interacting with Vaimes after parking his vote, despite having done so with Terry at length before, and since then barely attempting to do any gamesolving -- besides vaguely pointing at Vaimes and calling him even more scummy, and a short comment on GJ after his gambit -- make me think he's just attempting to ride this wagon along, not worrying about taking a second look at his read or anybody else for that matter.
Vote: vezokpiraka
I wish MTGS had a middle finger emoji.
But I'll switch back to me if we don't have the votes for a new wagon, as if I don't already know people are going to dip out for the rest of D1.
So...what? You don't like GJ, or you think the people clearing him for it are scummy?
I am not sure what to make of people clearing him for it. I think his play has been entirely NAI this game. I said it that way because I don't actively think he's scum. I don't think he's town either. He's just there for me. Vaimes do you have thoughts on Osie? Since that wagon has more on it than Vez.
So basically idk what his unvote was about there if scum.
I'm at work btw. Limited replying power.
No one wants my targets, which is irritating me a bit.
Can you elaborate your read on Vezok? The latter part of his 118, which you townread him for, didn't actually answer Vaimes' point, yet you townread him for it which was weird.
What do you think of my point on him @ 227
Echoing this. There's little motivation for scum to blank drop the wagon they were going for since earlier. I think Vaimes/Osieb/Terry are T/T/T, probably in that order.
I'm actively town reading Vaimes, Dan and Terry.
I like Osie's reaction to the GJ gambit, but have little impression beyond that before the point about unvoting.
I was scum reading Arc, but his recent posts have been really good even if I haven't had a chance to wrap my head around his case on Vezok yet.
Vezok and Cyan I have gut good feelings about but nothing concrete as I havne't been taking any notes.
Killjoy and GJ are just there.
I'd be willing to lynch anyone below my top three. And prefer not to include Osie unless it's to save one of those three.
unvote
I'll say that in that game, people heavily meta-defended him, both his buddies and other townies.
It's not a lock, but him being so widely townread for essentially nothing or easily fakeable things has got to go when he's over here voting for people, ignoring them completely, making irrelevant posts, and not engaging with anyone.
Get back to me on Cyan once you've skimmed his scumgame so I can get a better idea of your read progression. It shouldn't take more than like, ten minutes, and there's still an hour and some minutes 'til deadline.
I just ISO vezok, and he really is just passively saying Vaimes is bad without doing much else.
Let me think on that a bit. Actually my lunch is about over. Grrrrr.
**** it. You're probably right on him Arc. Vote vezok.
This is full of shade and is showing zero interest in solving the game. Opens by shading Terry. Then has a useful critique. Followed by off topic explanation and then reiterating a scum read and saying that even if he isn't scum he needs to post less.
This feels like forced commentary. And unwilling to town read GJ. Gives me slight scum vibes.
Anyway the rest of it doesn't strike me strongly in either direction (neither do these two to be blunt), but it's enough I'd be willing to lynch rather than no lynching.
Arc is still my preferred lynch but he's looking slightly better recently and there is no momentum there.
Vote: vezokpiraka
We still need two more votes but maybe if we wish really hard, shadow will let the lynch go through
If only this weren't a mini.
Already done, going to reread the Cyan in the invitational now.
Do you think the others will make it? What are their timezones?
Reading the invitational I'm not sure what similarities you're seeing here. There is the selective engagement, but I remember that coming from not caring to be there townCyan in mistborn. Though maybe I'm misremembering since I was in a tunnel on him for so long that game.
Anyway I see that he was pushing you (vaimes) but not really interacting with you preferring to try to distance from his buddies and spar with Iso who had dunked his team. And he's mostly making wine laden arguments. Is there something else I'm missing that's applicable here?
I think his scumplay is a lot closer to what he's doing here than his townplay. The whole "I'm playing mafia against my will" thing is eh, muddying it a lot more than I'd like it to.
The problem is it's been there in mistborn and a bit in the invitational as well. I think that referring to it is NAI but it makes him a lot harder to read as a result. By the end of mistborn there was a lot of emotion (hence him and terry's awkward attempts to kiss and make up to start this game).
He could be scum, so could Vezo. I really have no idea. But we don't have the votes period right now. I'd happily CFD to him, but we need more votes.
It's going to be a no lynch...
Unvote, vote Vaimes?