I didn't want Az to Hammer. That's the simplest answer, but I also was pretty sure Nancy was scum. On top of that, Rhand ended up dead and was the recipient of what Nancy/DOTA did to whoever they targeted. Maybe the Mafia kill got blocked and Kami killed Rhand.
Anyways, the "Ship Medic" flip does feel kind of town, so I did something to try to honor DOTA's death. I was not redirected. I'm going to keep it in my pocket for now.
Hey! A chance to lynch actual scum, finally! vote TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
I didn't opt to take any souls, on the off-chance I could be cleared via role investigation. I could conceivably target AE tomorrow, though I'm a tad worried I'll come to some kind of bad end due to that. I don't suppose it's safe to say what will happen?
I didn't want Az to Hammer. That's the simplest answer, but I also was pretty sure Nancy was scum. On top of that, Rhand ended up dead and was the recipient of what Nancy/DOTA did to whoever they targeted. Maybe the Mafia kill got blocked and Kami killed Rhand.
Anyways, the "Ship Medic" flip does feel kind of town, so I did something to try to honor DOTA's death. I was not redirected. I'm going to keep it in my pocket for now.
Except all of that info came out after you hammered. And Dota claimed no action. And Kami is now dead.
Tell me, what were you expecting to happen to Az if he hammered? Think he would have skipped off into lala land? Do you find yourself often hammering people who haven’t claimed?
(Also I was not redirected either)
I'm not using the Kami stuff for a reason why I hammered. I hammered because I didn't want Az to do it and I thought Nancy was scum from the get go. She very well may have been, so don't go jumping to conclusions here.
Az claimed an ability that scales in power with the number of souls he steals. The more power he gets, the harder it will be to get him out of the game, and the harder it will be to win because if he wins, everyone loses.
I didn't want Az to Hammer. That's the simplest answer, but I also was pretty sure Nancy was scum. On top of that, Rhand ended up dead and was the recipient of what Nancy/DOTA did to whoever they targeted. Maybe the Mafia kill got blocked and Kami killed Rhand.
Anyways, the "Ship Medic" flip does feel kind of town, so I did something to try to honor DOTA's death. I was not redirected. I'm going to keep it in my pocket for now.
Hey! A chance to lynch actual scum, finally! vote TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
I didn't opt to take any souls, on the off-chance I could be cleared via role investigation. I could conceivably target AE tomorrow, though I'm a tad worried I'll come to some kind of bad end due to that. I don't suppose it's safe to say what will happen?
There is a lot you aren't telling us, so I'm told.
@Terry: I’ll ask again, do you think Az stood any chance of not being lynched if he snap hammered like you did?
And do you often hammer someone who hasn’t even claimed?
@Terry: I’ll ask again, do you think Az stood any chance of not being lynched if he snap hammered like you did?
And do you often hammer someone who hasn’t even claimed?
Yeah, I watched Az fend off being lynched despite worse odds in Zero. No, I don't usually hammer without claims, but Az's presence alone forced my hand, which is another reason he needs to go.
@Terry: I’ll ask again, do you think Az stood any chance of not being lynched if he snap hammered like you did?
And do you often hammer someone who hasn’t even claimed?
Yeah, I watched Az fend off being lynched despite worse odds in Zero. No, I don't usually hammer without claims, but Az's presence alone forced my hand, which is another reason he needs to go.
He didn’t do something obtusely anti town in ZE like hammering there would have been; and I had literally just asked someone to Unvote, did you really think he was going to race in and hammer before someone unvoted? Especially as he’s been very specifically willing to play nice? No, I think you bought that lynch because you thought you could get away with it, and on the off chance you are town I still want you lynched because I don’t want that excuse to fly.
I'm not using the Kami stuff for a reason why I hammered. I hammered because I didn't want Az to do it and I thought Nancy was scum from the get go. She very well may have been, so don't go jumping to conclusions here.
Az claimed an ability that scales in power with the number of souls he steals. The more power he gets, the harder it will be to get him out of the game, and the harder it will be to win because if he wins, everyone loses.
Yeah, I watched Az fend off being lynched despite worse odds in Zero. No, I don't usually hammer without claims, but Az's presence alone forced my hand, which is another reason he needs to go.
And amidst this transparent excuse to secure a hammer-vote for the scum, you seem to be neglecting the fact that aside from possibly targeting AE with my soul-stealing ability (which I'm not totally sure I want do, either), I'm not even planning on taking any more souls this game. Attempt to fearmonger: failed.
Also here comes some sweet self meta, check my hammer tendencies as town and compare that to my scum games. I’m way more careful as scum.
Enough about me. You guys are acting like the dota Lynch was a mislynch. Wait till you get an alignment to crucify me. Some one talk to me about Rhand getting dead after being targeted by Dota’s Ability
Kami was probably just the NK
Dota less likely scum than dawning because of post lynch play but obviously that's fakeable in a game that's still ******* no flip :/
I've added a gray tier which is essentially people who I would be reading based on flips rn IF I HAD ANY
Doubt I would lynch anyone other than Joe or AZ today though.
Worst case scenario is 3-1-6 which in theory would mean tomorrow could be lylo with AZ able to scumside
I do think its extremely likely we got one out of the two doc claims though
Im actually pretty perturbed about our flip situation here.
And Joe quickhammering before claim in no flip is especially heinous. And sure he scumread the slot all along and was, uh, scared of az I guess. But the town motivation for that move is much less clear to me than the scum motivation. Like, almost twtbaw territory but i dont think you can really apply that acronym to joe?
He's just scum if dota is town. If dota scum, a bit less likely I guess but still >rand. I think.
Yeah... No... I took got sick as hell and missed a couple days and missed the wild end to day two... after reading up, Nope... just going straight to Terry... NOt sure where the L-count is... but... Yeah... I think I saw 3? Soon as I know I'm not going to insta-hammer on accident, I'm just going to throw in with: "My vote is on Terry" but not bold it or call it to Iso till I get the count... and even then, I will probably only wait long enough for info before hammering that...
Thanks Tom. I'm happy to throw my vote onto this now... double-checked Lynch counts and whatnot... so This should put us to that magical "L-2" range that Kami was kind enough to give us (me mostly) the advice on before the snap lynch so... yeah. Terry? Let's see it. Claim and claim well dood, cause you have actually topped my Scum list with this last bit of play... as someone who has been open about my reasons for wanting to keep Az in a cage or noose since the beginning and even I was bothered by this and the sudden dive on using Az as your excuse...
Also here comes some sweet self meta, check my hammer tendencies as town and compare that to my scum games. I’m way more careful as scum.
Enough about me. You guys are acting like the dota Lynch was a mislynch. Wait till you get an alignment to crucify me. Some one talk to me about Rhand getting dead after being targeted by Dota’s Ability
1. My win condition is to stay alive. Currently, I'm alive. The status quo works for me. Visiting people in the night, potentially allowing unknown and potentially hazardous events to occur, could change that.
2.. Was clearly a mislynch, just like D1. Especially with that role-name. Someone else who should never have been run up, much less hammered, from a behavioral standpoint.
I am not ok with ending this day quickly. Terry needs to claim AND show a bunch solving today if he wants to survive, and id like to see it.
Why are you trying to give him an out by way of simply working hard?
The bar isn't just vomiting analysis into the thread, it's being genuine, and having convincing, pro-town reasons for what you do. But you want to give him an out by just making him go through the motions?
Avoiding a rush lynch is all well and good, but IDK why you're apparently so anxious to see Terry's analysis, like it's going to be some kind of sunbeam out of heaven for us here.
Thank you Archmage. I'm ok claiming, but my claim alone won't really save me, so in a way, tom is right. If I don't want to get mislynched I need to put some leg work into it, but with no flips I don't see a ton of help I can be.
I will say that Archmage knows my role. I won't say how. I will flavor claim.
I'm Sharkbait, Navigator. I'm curious to see where Archmage takes this baton I've handed him.
I'm thinking about claiming who I targeted and my role.
Thoughts?
If it involves Terry or AE then I think yes? Maybe wait until Terry claims for real.
AE: if you have something that indicates Terry is town, spill it, because I will not be unvoting him without very good reason.
(Tinfoil thoughts: AE and Terry are scum together and are willing to tie themselves together because it won’t actually affect them without flips. Granted, if one of them being alive is causing the no flips then this would still be too risky. Probably)
I have 5 minutes before I have to leave for work so this is super rushed.
Kami is a weird kill. He'd I was starting to put him in a lot of my hypothetical teams. Really surprised to see him dead this morning. Especially with what happened at the EoD.
Terry is weird for me. My gut says TSTBS but that's an argument I always try to ignore. I feel like it confirms DBS was town if there were still doubts. I don't think scum!Terry acts so aggressively with a dead partner regardless of Dota's alignment. That said Terry's play today is inspiring zero confidence and his nonclaim and mentioning AE knows his role is making me very happy to lynch him. FoS: Terry
I agree with Tom that between DBS's claimed role and Dota's flavor we have a dead scum. And I'm pretty sure it's Dota (due to the above). I really don't believe they were both protective roles.
My current worldview is that Terry tried to fast hammer a buddy he thought was spiraling. I just don't think that DBS and Dota are both what they claimed.
@Shadow: All the cards are stacked against me here. I doubt I survive today. My claim won't really help my case, but AE and only AE, should know what my role is. It's up to him if he wants to claim it for me.
That being said I targeted him last night because that's where DOTA was pointing as I hammered him (remember hammering is town meta for me, but whatever).
I'm working on that leg work as we speak. Hopefully if I get lynched and eventually get my alignment revealed it can be useful.
I'm thinking about claiming who I targeted and my role.
Thoughts?
Will your ability be useful tomorrow? Do you think you are a valid NK target? I'm kind of shocked Rod isn't dead because he was clearly the balance to the scum no-flipper.
@Shadow: All the cards are stacked against me here. I doubt I survive today. My claim won't really help my case, but AE and only AE, should know what my role is. It's up to him if he wants to claim it for me.
That being said I targeted him last night because that's where DOTA was pointing as I hammered him (remember hammering is town meta for me, but whatever).
I'm working on that leg work as we speak. Hopefully if I get lynched and eventually get my alignment revealed it can be useful.
Terry, you’ve demonstrated a very clear understanding of how to use your town meta to your advantage in your scum play, so saying “[certain behavior] is in my town meta” while true, isn’t going to help you.
I want you and AE to both dump what info you have about Az, and whether it’s by AE first or not, you need to claim.
@Shadow: All the cards are stacked against me here. I doubt I survive today. My claim won't really help my case, but AE and only AE, should know what my role is. It's up to him if he wants to claim it for me.
That being said I targeted him last night because that's where DOTA was pointing as I hammered him (remember hammering is town meta for me, but whatever).
I'm working on that leg work as we speak. Hopefully if I get lynched and eventually get my alignment revealed it can be useful.
You can't claim hammering is your town meta. It means you can fake it as scum or it could become a trust tell which is borderline cheating.
Also I don't get why we have to wait for AE to claim your role. He can confirm you after the fact.
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@Shadow: All the cards are stacked against me here. I doubt I survive today. My claim won't really help my case, but AE and only AE, should know what my role is. It's up to him if he wants to claim it for me.
That being said I targeted him last night because that's where DOTA was pointing as I hammered him (remember hammering is town meta for me, but whatever).
I'm working on that leg work as we speak. Hopefully if I get lynched and eventually get my alignment revealed it can be useful.
You can't claim hammering is your town meta. It means you can fake it as scum or it could become a trust tell which is borderline cheating.
Also I don't get why we have to wait for AE to claim your role. He can confirm you after the fact.
FWIW trust tells are actually classified as cheating now, it came up about a year ago. But I don’t actually think he’s trying to imply one, I think he has hammered a lot as town recently and not as scum and is using that (whether truly or sneakily) to try and leverage some good will.
Depends on the context. A “Non factional ability” is like a cop or a vig or a doctor, where it’s not an ability based on what faction you are, where as (though I don’t think it would be commonly used phrasing) a “Non factional player” would be a neutral or The like.
@Shadow & Vezo: I know very well how to use my meta, you're right. That's why I said "whatever". It's not a trust tell, and self meta is useless, but if people looked at my meta, they should be able to figure out I'm pretty solidly town in this one. I know people want to crucify me today because that's the easy play, but we don't even have flips yet.
@all: I'll claim today, but I need Az to come in a clear things up first. For the record, I think AE is town.
Funk it. I'm Town Rolecop. I was redirected N1 and have a result that I'm sitting on and since AE gave me permission, I have a result on him, which doesn't seem very scum oriented, he's not the Kraken owner, he's not the alignment hider. The reason I think he is town is because of the Non-Factional wording in his role, which I won't go into too much more detail on, but part of it is that he saw what I did to him (this is not the case for my target night 1). I don't think that part is necessary in a scum role pm. It is possible it is in a scum role to balance with AZ, but the rest of his ability doesn't seem very scum like.
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Hey! A chance to lynch actual scum, finally! vote TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
I didn't opt to take any souls, on the off-chance I could be cleared via role investigation. I could conceivably target AE tomorrow, though I'm a tad worried I'll come to some kind of bad end due to that. I don't suppose it's safe to say what will happen?
I attempted to target someone and it failed last night.
I was either blocked or something else.
I don't feel like revealing who it is in case their ability is what canceled it and something something.
Fos Terry
I don't trust all you guys to not wagon him in like 5 hours.
Az claimed an ability that scales in power with the number of souls he steals. The more power he gets, the harder it will be to get him out of the game, and the harder it will be to win because if he wins, everyone loses.
And do you often hammer someone who hasn’t even claimed?
Az getting the hammer would not have been THAT bad, and again, he'd get flak and probably lynched for it concidering agreements and such...
Scum? Scum.
And amidst this transparent excuse to secure a hammer-vote for the scum, you seem to be neglecting the fact that aside from possibly targeting AE with my soul-stealing ability (which I'm not totally sure I want do, either), I'm not even planning on taking any more souls this game. Attempt to fearmonger: failed.
Also here comes some sweet self meta, check my hammer tendencies as town and compare that to my scum games. I’m way more careful as scum.
Enough about me. You guys are acting like the dota Lynch was a mislynch. Wait till you get an alignment to crucify me. Some one talk to me about Rhand getting dead after being targeted by Dota’s Ability
kazin/grape/
rhand/kamidv/vezok
rodemy/archmage/shadow
az/
dotajoe/
dawningKami was probably just the NK
Dota less likely scum than dawning because of post lynch play but obviously that's fakeable in a game that's still ******* no flip :/
I've added a gray tier which is essentially people who I would be reading based on flips rn IF I HAD ANY
Doubt I would lynch anyone other than Joe or AZ today though.
Worst case scenario is 3-1-6 which in theory would mean tomorrow could be lylo with AZ able to scumside
I do think its extremely likely we got one out of the two doc claims though
And Joe quickhammering before claim in no flip is especially heinous. And sure he scumread the slot all along and was, uh, scared of az I guess. But the town motivation for that move is much less clear to me than the scum motivation. Like, almost twtbaw territory but i dont think you can really apply that acronym to joe?
He's just scum if dota is town. If dota scum, a bit less likely I guess but still >rand. I think.
Yeah... No... I took got sick as hell and missed a couple days and missed the wild end to day two... after reading up, Nope... just going straight to Terry... NOt sure where the L-count is... but... Yeah... I think I saw 3? Soon as I know I'm not going to insta-hammer on accident, I'm just going to throw in with: "My vote is on Terry" but not bold it or call it to Iso till I get the count... and even then, I will probably only wait long enough for info before hammering that...
Joeterry (3): shadow, azrael, rodemy
Not voting (7): everyone else
I am not ok with ending this day quickly. Terry needs to claim AND show a bunch solving today if he wants to survive, and id like to see it.
Vote: TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
1. My win condition is to stay alive. Currently, I'm alive. The status quo works for me. Visiting people in the night, potentially allowing unknown and potentially hazardous events to occur, could change that.
2.. Was clearly a mislynch, just like D1. Especially with that role-name. Someone else who should never have been run up, much less hammered, from a behavioral standpoint.
Why are you trying to give him an out by way of simply working hard?
The bar isn't just vomiting analysis into the thread, it's being genuine, and having convincing, pro-town reasons for what you do. But you want to give him an out by just making him go through the motions?
Avoiding a rush lynch is all well and good, but IDK why you're apparently so anxious to see Terry's analysis, like it's going to be some kind of sunbeam out of heaven for us here.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Terry claim!
AZ spill it. Lets hear all that your hiding. Yup AZ is lying. You caused the redirects didn't you?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
I will say that Archmage knows my role. I won't say how. I will flavor claim.
I'm Sharkbait, Navigator. I'm curious to see where Archmage takes this baton I've handed him.
VOTE: Az
Az knows WAY more than he's claiming.
I'm thinking about claiming who I targeted and my role.
Thoughts?
AE: if you have something that indicates Terry is town, spill it, because I will not be unvoting him without very good reason.
(Tinfoil thoughts: AE and Terry are scum together and are willing to tie themselves together because it won’t actually affect them without flips. Granted, if one of them being alive is causing the no flips then this would still be too risky. Probably)
Also in the event that I die, my role is exactly what it sounds like it should be from a flavor standpoint.
Kami is a weird kill. He'd I was starting to put him in a lot of my hypothetical teams. Really surprised to see him dead this morning. Especially with what happened at the EoD.
Terry is weird for me. My gut says TSTBS but that's an argument I always try to ignore. I feel like it confirms DBS was town if there were still doubts. I don't think scum!Terry acts so aggressively with a dead partner regardless of Dota's alignment. That said Terry's play today is inspiring zero confidence and his nonclaim and mentioning AE knows his role is making me very happy to lynch him. FoS: Terry
I agree with Tom that between DBS's claimed role and Dota's flavor we have a dead scum. And I'm pretty sure it's Dota (due to the above). I really don't believe they were both protective roles.
My current worldview is that Terry tried to fast hammer a buddy he thought was spiraling. I just don't think that DBS and Dota are both what they claimed.
Out of time.
That being said I targeted him last night because that's where DOTA was pointing as I hammered him (remember hammering is town meta for me, but whatever).
I'm working on that leg work as we speak. Hopefully if I get lynched and eventually get my alignment revealed it can be useful.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Then I'm confused. I thought you were claiming neutral.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
I want you and AE to both dump what info you have about Az, and whether it’s by AE first or not, you need to claim.
You can't claim hammering is your town meta. It means you can fake it as scum or it could become a trust tell which is borderline cheating.
Also I don't get why we have to wait for AE to claim your role. He can confirm you after the fact.
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They hate us cause they ain't us.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
@Shadow & Vezo: I know very well how to use my meta, you're right. That's why I said "whatever". It's not a trust tell, and self meta is useless, but if people looked at my meta, they should be able to figure out I'm pretty solidly town in this one. I know people want to crucify me today because that's the easy play, but we don't even have flips yet.
@all: I'll claim today, but I need Az to come in a clear things up first. For the record, I think AE is town.
Just claim Terry
They hate us cause they ain't us.