6. Archmage Eternal*: Confirmed Absorber by me Night 2, Just got nailed by the Vanillaizer, probably town. Held a rolecop shot, but it was taken away.
How do you know this?
Because I'm assuming the Cream Beam did the same thing to AE that it did to Kazin.
Specifically though you say how gained ability was taken away; you say this after you say he was hit by the Vanilla juice. He hasn’t said anything either way, why did you make this assumption?
6. Archmage Eternal*: Confirmed Absorber by me Night 2, Just got nailed by the Vanillaizer, probably town. Held a rolecop shot, but it was taken away.
How do you know this?
Because I'm assuming the Cream Beam did the same thing to AE that it did to Kazin.
Specifically though you say how gained ability was taken away; you say this after you say he was hit by the Vanilla juice. He hasn’t said anything either way, why did you make this assumption?
Oh please Shadow. Look at the two flavor posts by ISO:
6. Archmage Eternal*: Confirmed Absorber by me Night 2, Just got nailed by the Vanillaizer, probably town. Held a rolecop shot, but it was taken away.
How do you know this?
Because I'm assuming the Cream Beam did the same thing to AE that it did to Kazin.
Specifically though you say how gained ability was taken away; you say this after you say he was hit by the Vanilla juice. He hasn’t said anything either way, why did you make this assumption?
Oh I see what you're saying. That's a good thought:
@AE: Did you lose your one-shot or just your absorption?
I’m not saying it won’t be the same result, don’t play dumb with me. I’m asking why you assumed it would take away the role cop shot he got and not just his ability?
I’m not saying it won’t be the same result, don’t play dumb with me. I’m asking why you assumed it would take away the role cop shot he got and not just his ability?
I mean this is exactly what KAzin said:
I lost my night actions because of the cannon shot posts from Day 1
So I just assumed all night actions were taken away.
Can you please walk me through your progression on what you thought had targeted you to start today. I would like to know step by step what you were thinking had targeted you.
@Terry What made you change your mind on Dota? Why do you think DBS is scum? Are you assuming DV is scum? It felt like you were building a 3 person team but ended with two (DBS and Vezo) unless I'm missing something.
@Thread AE claimed he thought Az targeted him at this morning, but his first post suggests he thinks Az caused the targeting chaos. Which is a weird jump to make when you believe you've been targeted by rolecop Az.
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I'm done waffling, I don't care that he got targeted by the vanilla, his story doesn't add up.
8. shadowlancerx - Claimed Jailer, Targeted Az, redirected to Kazin N1. Targeted DV Night 2. DV confirmed that he was blocked, even though Shadow never knew it. I still think Shadow is town, even if he's wrong about me. He seems like he left off of me for a bit when as scum I think he'd just keep pushing.
He did, but my point is I don't think he reacted in a way that's consistent with thinking Az did target him (which he called for and claims he believed happened at the start of the day). Why would he when he receives a shot of rolecop (believed to be from Az) say Az needs to claim and accuse him of having the kraken?
Real quick, I'll be back on later tomorrow. I told AZ to target me. I was targeted. I got a one shot. That lead me to thinking AZ had numerous one shots. So I thought he was lying and holding back on us.
6. Archmage Eternal*: Confirmed Absorber by me Night 2, Just got nailed by the Vanillaizer, probably town. Held a rolecop shot, but it was taken away.
How do you know this?
Because I'm assuming the Cream Beam did the same thing to AE that it did to Kazin.
Specifically though you say how gained ability was taken away; you say this after you say he was hit by the Vanilla juice. He hasn’t said anything either way, why did you make this assumption?
Oh I see what you're saying. That's a good thought:
@AE: Did you lose your one-shot or just your absorption?
Real quick, I'll be back on later tomorrow. I told AZ to target me. I was targeted. I got a one shot. That lead me to thinking AZ had numerous one shots. So I thought he was lying and holding back on us.
I mean it's a pretty solid assumption that scum already know what happened to archmage (regardless of his alignment), so probably not much profit in keeping mum
Is it? Iso confirmed earlier that he can't give clarifications about how hypothetical roles interact. So if AE is town (which is unlikely) then scum doesn't know whether it removed his shot. They can make assumptions and so can we, but I like keeping that wine out there about whether it removed his shot, and have no idea why it's a relevant thing to figuring out his alignment.
As for what happened to him N1 that's fair and a reasonable question to ask. But given everyone with a targeted ability is accounted for and AE didn't claim that anything happened to him it seems kind of like a busy work question. I'm starting to think we haven't killed any scum and Terry/AE is scum/scum desperately trying to form a dichotomy. (starting to think we haven't killed scum because Terry and Dota aren't w/w).
Can I just point out the mindset disconnect of Joe thinking I have some kind of factional ability?
Like, from his POV rolecop is supposed to be a town info role so of course his assumption is scum would have a way of just flat making rolecop a useless roll for town?
I went and looked again and it looks like iso has basically done the factional thing with the horsemen abilities.
But they all still had regular abilities, and the only rolecop was in scum hands (and, notably, it clearly spelled out that it didn't see horsemen abilities)
But he did do it, so I guess I'm not lock clear.
Still town though...
But overall I am teetering a little on joe/arch. Staying firm there's at least 1 scum in the two, but the day ability makes me hesitant to go arch today.
But... it really shouldn't. Because it's poor use barring, like, shadow/dv/vezok scumteam or something crazy like that
Im not really comfortable with either of them or AZ being alive much longer...
Especially when I realize we'll have minimum one of those people alive day 5...
I feel like figuring out one of the 3 is town (or, in Az's case, not a threat) is the sort of big dick play we need to win this game, but...
@Tom One of them would have to be scum in those worlds, but I feel more confident that there is at least 1 scum between Terry and AE than I am that there is 1 in Shadow/Vezok (I'm waffling on Dota's alignment, Terry/AE is a growing tinfoil). Not knowing if I am right about Dota being scum is making this game much harder than it should be.
@Terry If he's scum what does not mentioning it accomplish that lying and saying nothing happened N1 doesn't? It's not like something could have happened unbeknownst to him. His role makes it so he's not going to get blindsided by someone's claim here. I'm not saying you're incorrect and that he should not have mentioned it. It's just a strange point to be pressuring when you think AE is town.
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@Terry What made you change your mind on Dota? Why do you think DBS is scum? Are you assuming DV is scum? It felt like you were building a 3 person team but ended with two (DBS and Vezo) unless I'm missing something.
Rhand was very townie and died n1. There were redirects but maybe only to town, maybe only to nonfactional abilities (lol) we don't really know.
But he was just town.
DV has been a strong behavioral townread for (months?)
Even nobue fit town nobue meta to a tee.
Haven't quite hit disinheritance levels of working together, but that was really special. This is probably the next best I've ever felt about him though, and then the claim fit so perfectly. I was 100% expecting tracker or watcher.
The above is unassailable, ride or die, whatever you want to call it.
Kamikaze I thought was weird but just because it's no flip is no reason to question town that claimed a powerful role then died at night. Been leveling myself on this. Bad Tom.
RIP parrot
Next is grape.
I've felt he's been genuine throughout, though he's reserved/meticulous enough that thats not a thing I really want to be putting that much stock into.
My gut certainly loves him, but my brain says be cautious.
BUT for him to be scum they'd have to have all the flavor roles, and be able to use multiple in the same day, and not have "the magical merchant" in charge of any of them because she ded
Kazin is, like, a blur of derpclear and getting vanillized and a claim that still doesn't quite make sense to me but in a way that it seems real.
And then there's this mushy pile. They've all got points for and stuff I don't like and idk really.
Think it's something like vezok>rodemy>shadow>azrael>dota
It doesn't even make sense to have AZ in that spectrum but there you go.
It wouldn't surprise me if any of these people were scum/made me lose.
In the interest of thoroughness:
Vezok: I think the "strength" of this read is reactionary. Because early I was scumreading him for how... predecided... his stances were. So when he started responding to stimulus and had some really neat progressions on dota and others it just struck me really hard. Claim is a point against him here unconfirmed. Very easy fakeclaim. Does change quite a bit if confirmed, but I see no source of reliable information.
Rodemy...
I don't really have the words.
Not gonna try.
Shadow I still haven't found a thing to sink my teeth into to read either way. I want to call that in itself scum indicative, but I'm stopping myself. Role definitely makes sense for scum.
Sorta hanging my hat on unalignments?
AZ exists.
Dota. Refer to me lynching him. I've softened a bit, but those things still exist. Too many protectives, etc.
There's almost definitely scum in there somewhere, but my confidence in finding them is really low right now.
I blame iso
And then there joe/archmage/dawn.
Feel like I've talked all these to death.
My dawn feels haven't faded like dota's. Possibly because it was so meta based but also because what little flip info we get doesn't match.
Archmage's role just looks like scum, and the whole exchange with Joe was fishy. The supposed vanillize makes no sense, and the hints of spark early on never materialized.
Joe with the appeasement I talked about yesterday, and the hammer, and the... like, general sense of corneredness and desperation today.
Unless you actually think AE got hit by that vanilla juice ability as an elaborate gambit, he's cleared town. That is a verified scum ability he was hit by.
That's ridiculous putting him at the bottom of your scum list, Tom. Chances of that being a scum gambit are de minimis.
Unless you actually think AE got hit by that vanilla juice ability as an elaborate gambit, he's cleared town. That is a verified scum ability he was hit by.
That's ridiculous putting him at the bottom of your scum list, Tom. Chances of that being a scum gambit are de minimis.
It’s really not that ridiculous. Wine is a heck of a drug.
Either way I think Terry is the correct lynch today.
I ******* hate this game and the ******* lack of flips.
I want to go back and read other people, but always remember that there are no flips and that there is not point.
I am at the point where I think every single person alive can be scum. Every time I think that I can trust someone, they say something that makes me question everything.
I also think that lynching terry is the correct play here, but I'm not even sure if there is a correct play here.
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It’s really not that ridiculous. Wine is a heck of a drug.
Whatever you're on is.
You think it's more likely that the scum chose to vanillafy THEIR OWN MEMBER, deleting a free role investigation and who knows what else, than to hit actual claimed town power to mess up our declared plan?
No, this was done in an effort to mess up the confirm Az/confirm Vez plan. Only they failed to account that they just cleared AE.
Why are you and Tom pushing this AE garbage so hard?
It’s really not that ridiculous. Wine is a heck of a drug.
Whatever you're on is.
You think it's more likely that the scum chose to vanillafy THEIR OWN MEMBER, deleting a free role investigation and who knows what else, than to hit actual claimed town power to mess up our declared plan?
No, this was done in an effort to mess up the confirm Az/confirm Vez plan. Only they failed to account that they just cleared AE.
Why are you and Tom pushing this AE garbage so hard?
What use does a rolecop have for scum if we already massclaimed?
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I ******* hate this game and the ******* lack of flips.
I want to go back and read other people, but always remember that there are no flips and that there is not point.
I am at the point where I think every single person alive can be scum. Every time I think that I can trust someone, they say something that makes me question everything.
I also think that lynching terry is the correct play here, but I'm not even sure if there is a correct play here.
Lynching me is the right play if you are scum. I’m basically the cop and have a shot tonight and apparently mislynch bait this game. If I live to tonight scum have to deal with me.
I think the other scum is Dota or DBS. I'd go as far as to say it was Dota because Dota got hella bussed by AE and Thought he countered DBS's claim, yet had her higher.
So everyone is proposing that I am scum and in a desperate attempt to redirect heat off of me for hammering DOTA, who a lot of other people are still calling scum and that I had been pushing to Lynch all game, I claim my OTHER scum buddy was the target of my role cop shot last night, so hard tie myself to him and assure everyone that he is town, and then hit him with a scum Cream Beam to further assure people think he is town at my own expense. Like for me to be scum with AE, I would have also have to be the Creamer too. So I'm fake claiming role cop but am really the Creamer? People need to get their heads out off their arses and realize that I'm being put on the chopping block because I hammered someone I thought was scum all game in an expedited manner to prevent the Neutral from stealing their soul!
This is a desperate attempt to Lynch the cop. They can feel it slipping away and are making ridiculous associations between me and anyone they can.
Most logical answer is that I'm town, AE is town, Kazin is Town, Rod is Town, Az is Neutral. Everyone else can be up in the air, but I made a list and don't get offended if you aren't autoclaved by me. If anything, it should show you my constructive thinking.
I think "joe and arch can't both be town" is, like, the strongest dichotomy from that massclaim.
And then they're also the two scummiest and I just want them both dead
Okay breaking V/LA for this morning because I have more time than expected. Will try to play this weekend, but lately my phone hasn't been able to log onto to MTGS and I'm going to be at a festival away from my laptop. So hopefully I'll be able to keep up but probably not.
AE is probably just lying scum. His reaction to gaining his 1 shot at the start of day doesn't line up with him believing he was targeted by Az. It makes no sense.
Terry is dodging literally every question I'm posing to him and not explaining any of his reads. It feels like scum just trying to filibuster his way through it. Even as I admit it's unlikely that both scum would tie themselves together like that both of their behavior's today are just scummy. And I can't get past that.
@Terry If he's scum what does not mentioning it accomplish that lying and saying nothing happened N1 doesn't? It's not like something could have happened unbeknownst to him. His role makes it so he's not going to get blindsided by someone's claim here. I'm not saying you're incorrect and that he should not have mentioned it. It's just a strange point to be pressuring when you think AE is town.
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@Terry What made you change your mind on Dota? Why do you think DBS is scum? Are you assuming DV is scum? It felt like you were building a 3 person team but ended with two (DBS and Vezo) unless I'm missing something.
Okay breaking V/LA for this morning because I have more time than expected. Will try to play this weekend, but lately my phone hasn't been able to log onto to MTGS and I'm going to be at a festival away from my laptop. So hopefully I'll be able to keep up but probably not.
AE is probably just lying scum. His reaction to gaining his 1 shot at the start of day doesn't line up with him believing he was targeted by Az. It makes no sense.
Terry is dodging literally every question I'm posing to him and not explaining any of his reads. It feels like scum just trying to filibuster his way through it. Even as I admit it's unlikely that both scum would tie themselves together like that both of their behavior's today are just scummy. And I can't get past that.
@Terry If he's scum what does not mentioning it accomplish that lying and saying nothing happened N1 doesn't? It's not like something could have happened unbeknownst to him. His role makes it so he's not going to get blindsided by someone's claim here. I'm not saying you're incorrect and that he should not have mentioned it. It's just a strange point to be pressuring when you think AE is town.
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@Terry What made you change your mind on Dota? Why do you think DBS is scum? Are you assuming DV is scum? It felt like you were building a 3 person team but ended with two (DBS and Vezo) unless I'm missing something.
I'm here grape.
1. I answered this already. I found it odd he left it out. There is a possibility that someone else target him N1. It shouldn't be like pulling teeth to hear a simple... "No one targeted me Night 1".
2. Mostly the Ship Medic title and his response to my hammer. I think it's pretty clear that DBS was fully aware he was going to end up getting lynched and unleashed the Kraken. I'll go back and double check the timing, but a One-Shot Doc compared to all the other protective roles we are hearing seems the least likely to believe.
3. I think DV could be scum, but I'm definitely not assuming that he is. Really, it's just the whole nobue garbage that still has me unsure. It's hard to trust someone that signed up for the game under a pseudonym. I think watcher is a likely role and would a balance out nicely, I think DV's play has been pretty town, but nothing has hard cleared him for me.
4. Go back and read my whole post. I was assuming DBS is scum, meaning there were two left and the most likely of those two in my eyes were Tom (see my symmetry and balance comment) and one of the numerous claimed protection roles between, Kazin (but Kazin is town), Shadow, Grape, Vezo and the late DOTA (who as I said I also think was town). So that really leaves too much protection between Vezo, Shadow and Grape. I think Shadow has had moments where I don't think he would have left off as scum, so I'm saying that he's probably town. That really leaves Grape and Vezo and while I have my doubts about you due to the similarity of ISO posted scum day-actions and yours, it seems unlikely that you could use the Cream Beam and the Swab in the same day. You could be the kraken guy too, but like I said I think that was DBS.
So the three man team I'm proposing is Tom, Vezo and DBS. I need to go check interactions still, but that is my initial feeling.
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Lol.
It's pretty clear both are going to have the same result.
@AE: Did you lose your one-shot or just your absorption?
So I just assumed all night actions were taken away.
Can you please walk me through your progression on what you thought had targeted you to start today. I would like to know step by step what you were thinking had targeted you.
@Terry What made you change your mind on Dota? Why do you think DBS is scum? Are you assuming DV is scum? It felt like you were building a 3 person team but ended with two (DBS and Vezo) unless I'm missing something.
@Thread AE claimed he thought Az targeted him at this morning, but his first post suggests he thinks Az caused the targeting chaos. Which is a weird jump to make when you believe you've been targeted by rolecop Az.
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I'm done waffling, I don't care that he got targeted by the vanilla, his story doesn't add up.
But I think he told AZ to target him?
He did, but my point is I don't think he reacted in a way that's consistent with thinking Az did target him (which he called for and claims he believed happened at the start of the day). Why would he when he receives a shot of rolecop (believed to be from Az) say Az needs to claim and accuse him of having the kraken?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Do you need more bait on that fishing pole?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Doesn't your ability always give you a 1 shot?
As for what happened to him N1 that's fair and a reasonable question to ask. But given everyone with a targeted ability is accounted for and AE didn't claim that anything happened to him it seems kind of like a busy work question. I'm starting to think we haven't killed any scum and Terry/AE is scum/scum desperately trying to form a dichotomy. (starting to think we haven't killed scum because Terry and Dota aren't w/w).
Like, from his POV rolecop is supposed to be a town info role so of course his assumption is scum would have a way of just flat making rolecop a useless roll for town?
I went and looked again and it looks like iso has basically done the factional thing with the horsemen abilities.
But they all still had regular abilities, and the only rolecop was in scum hands (and, notably, it clearly spelled out that it didn't see horsemen abilities)
But he did do it, so I guess I'm not lock clear.
Still town though...
But overall I am teetering a little on joe/arch. Staying firm there's at least 1 scum in the two, but the day ability makes me hesitant to go arch today.
But... it really shouldn't. Because it's poor use barring, like, shadow/dv/vezok scumteam or something crazy like that
Im not really comfortable with either of them or AZ being alive much longer...
Especially when I realize we'll have minimum one of those people alive day 5...
I feel like figuring out one of the 3 is town (or, in Az's case, not a threat) is the sort of big dick play we need to win this game, but...
@Terry If he's scum what does not mentioning it accomplish that lying and saying nothing happened N1 doesn't? It's not like something could have happened unbeknownst to him. His role makes it so he's not going to get blindsided by someone's claim here. I'm not saying you're incorrect and that he should not have mentioned it. It's just a strange point to be pressuring when you think AE is town.
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Rhand was very townie and died n1. There were redirects but maybe only to town, maybe only to nonfactional abilities (lol) we don't really know.
But he was just town.
DV has been a strong behavioral townread for (months?)
Even nobue fit town nobue meta to a tee.
Haven't quite hit disinheritance levels of working together, but that was really special. This is probably the next best I've ever felt about him though, and then the claim fit so perfectly. I was 100% expecting tracker or watcher.
The above is unassailable, ride or die, whatever you want to call it.
Kamikaze I thought was weird but just because it's no flip is no reason to question town that claimed a powerful role then died at night. Been leveling myself on this. Bad Tom.
RIP parrot
Next is grape.
I've felt he's been genuine throughout, though he's reserved/meticulous enough that thats not a thing I really want to be putting that much stock into.
My gut certainly loves him, but my brain says be cautious.
BUT for him to be scum they'd have to have all the flavor roles, and be able to use multiple in the same day, and not have "the magical merchant" in charge of any of them because she ded
Kazin is, like, a blur of derpclear and getting vanillized and a claim that still doesn't quite make sense to me but in a way that it seems real.
And then there's this mushy pile. They've all got points for and stuff I don't like and idk really.
Think it's something like vezok>rodemy>shadow>azrael>dota
It doesn't even make sense to have AZ in that spectrum but there you go.
It wouldn't surprise me if any of these people were scum/made me lose.
In the interest of thoroughness:
Vezok: I think the "strength" of this read is reactionary. Because early I was scumreading him for how... predecided... his stances were. So when he started responding to stimulus and had some really neat progressions on dota and others it just struck me really hard. Claim is a point against him here unconfirmed. Very easy fakeclaim. Does change quite a bit if confirmed, but I see no source of reliable information.
Rodemy...
I don't really have the words.
Not gonna try.
Shadow I still haven't found a thing to sink my teeth into to read either way. I want to call that in itself scum indicative, but I'm stopping myself. Role definitely makes sense for scum.
Sorta hanging my hat on unalignments?
AZ exists.
Dota. Refer to me lynching him. I've softened a bit, but those things still exist. Too many protectives, etc.
There's almost definitely scum in there somewhere, but my confidence in finding them is really low right now.
I blame iso
And then there joe/archmage/dawn.
Feel like I've talked all these to death.
My dawn feels haven't faded like dota's. Possibly because it was so meta based but also because what little flip info we get doesn't match.
Archmage's role just looks like scum, and the whole exchange with Joe was fishy. The supposed vanillize makes no sense, and the hints of spark early on never materialized.
Joe with the appeasement I talked about yesterday, and the hammer, and the... like, general sense of corneredness and desperation today.
That's
rhand/DVkami/grape/kazinvezok/rodemy
shadow/AZ/
dotadawn/arch/joeFeel like I need to step away and do some rereading but I probably won't in the near future.
Hope anyone actually takes a look at AE between now and then. He really seems like he's just lying about what he was thinking to start the day.
That's ridiculous putting him at the bottom of your scum list, Tom. Chances of that being a scum gambit are de minimis.
Either way I think Terry is the correct lynch today.
I want to go back and read other people, but always remember that there are no flips and that there is not point.
I am at the point where I think every single person alive can be scum. Every time I think that I can trust someone, they say something that makes me question everything.
I also think that lynching terry is the correct play here, but I'm not even sure if there is a correct play here.
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Whatever you're on is.
You think it's more likely that the scum chose to vanillafy THEIR OWN MEMBER, deleting a free role investigation and who knows what else, than to hit actual claimed town power to mess up our declared plan?
No, this was done in an effort to mess up the confirm Az/confirm Vez plan. Only they failed to account that they just cleared AE.
Why are you and Tom pushing this AE garbage so hard?
What use does a rolecop have for scum if we already massclaimed?
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Hes got me and grape as red?
I'm red because? I have zero idea.
He's got town reads he has scum read.
I'm fine with this lynch.
AE knew WAY to much about the situation.
The Vanilla shot at AE seems strange as ****.
Terry's list is garbage.
AE seems scum.
I think the other scum is Dota or DBS. I'd go as far as to say it was Dota because Dota got hella bussed by AE and Thought he countered DBS's claim, yet had her higher.
That's basically the main argument for not lynching him right now.
But he is scummy and that roleuse was weird.
I'm not eliminating that being a wifom play. Or even having fake ability uses.
It effects my read, or at least my desire to lynch him RIGHT NOW.
But not that much.
Certainly think hard clearing him for it is silly
This is a desperate attempt to Lynch the cop. They can feel it slipping away and are making ridiculous associations between me and anyone they can.
Most logical answer is that I'm town, AE is town, Kazin is Town, Rod is Town, Az is Neutral. Everyone else can be up in the air, but I made a list and don't get offended if you aren't autoclaved by me. If anything, it should show you my constructive thinking.
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Grape would have been a little weird, because his can be worked around pretty easily.
Shadow is the next "scariest" role if town, and I want to say id have basically cleared shadow forever
Vezok, me, rodemy, kazin obviously makes no sense at all.
Joe, not with that timing.
Arch is just...
Like the team that makes that choice is so ridiculous.
I'm remembering now I already mentioned this. And that it's hard to parse without knowing scums actions or NK plans
And then they're also the two scummiest and I just want them both dead
AE is probably just lying scum. His reaction to gaining his 1 shot at the start of day doesn't line up with him believing he was targeted by Az. It makes no sense.
Terry is dodging literally every question I'm posing to him and not explaining any of his reads. It feels like scum just trying to filibuster his way through it. Even as I admit it's unlikely that both scum would tie themselves together like that both of their behavior's today are just scummy. And I can't get past that.
@Terry maybe the third times the charm.
I also don't understand the logical jumps of AE is clear and Rodemy is clear.
**** I mean Rodemy as scum could make that play.
Also I don't think anyone is claiming that Terry is fake claiming his role.
I'm at a loss.
Read 1501.
Pull out ONE quote that is town.
And quote it at me.
Because Azreal not even being pressured is driving me nuts.
1. I answered this already. I found it odd he left it out. There is a possibility that someone else target him N1. It shouldn't be like pulling teeth to hear a simple... "No one targeted me Night 1".
2. Mostly the Ship Medic title and his response to my hammer. I think it's pretty clear that DBS was fully aware he was going to end up getting lynched and unleashed the Kraken. I'll go back and double check the timing, but a One-Shot Doc compared to all the other protective roles we are hearing seems the least likely to believe.
3. I think DV could be scum, but I'm definitely not assuming that he is. Really, it's just the whole nobue garbage that still has me unsure. It's hard to trust someone that signed up for the game under a pseudonym. I think watcher is a likely role and would a balance out nicely, I think DV's play has been pretty town, but nothing has hard cleared him for me.
4. Go back and read my whole post. I was assuming DBS is scum, meaning there were two left and the most likely of those two in my eyes were Tom (see my symmetry and balance comment) and one of the numerous claimed protection roles between, Kazin (but Kazin is town), Shadow, Grape, Vezo and the late DOTA (who as I said I also think was town). So that really leaves too much protection between Vezo, Shadow and Grape. I think Shadow has had moments where I don't think he would have left off as scum, so I'm saying that he's probably town. That really leaves Grape and Vezo and while I have my doubts about you due to the similarity of ISO posted scum day-actions and yours, it seems unlikely that you could use the Cream Beam and the Swab in the same day. You could be the kraken guy too, but like I said I think that was DBS.
So the three man team I'm proposing is Tom, Vezo and DBS. I need to go check interactions still, but that is my initial feeling.