@Terry I'd hardly call that vague. It seemed pretty clear.
@Shadow I don't really see any others, that was the point of that statement. Before Terry claimed they hadn't spoke I was wondering if he was a rolecop/neighborizor or other neighbor variants, but the "we haven't spoke" eliminated anything I could think of except action mirroring.
And engaged and energetic is good, but multiple calls to unvote and promises of future information isn't what I think of as town behavior under pressure.
I disagree about that being the only option. I assumed it was something like one of the scum roles in ZE, where it reflexively tells you what you’ve been targeted by.
Terry explicitly said that (seeing what happened to him) was part of the role but not all of it. He was also confident that AE knew it came from him and that AE would his role. It's not a hard conclusion to reach that the other part is mirroring the action.
Describe mirroring the action as you understand it Grape.
I think I either got Roleblocked last night or the person I targeted is scum. I'm having a hard time accepting that a role that stops targeting would exist when so many other roles are targeting based.
There might be another option. It kind of depends on what your role is though. I can say more but it might reveal some stuff that could be better kept hidden.
Actually this might help. You say you were redirect to Terry night 1, did you use the same ability that you tried to use last night, and if so, was it successful when you used it on Terry?
Yes. Yes.
Darn, I cant actually help you then.
**** it.
I tried to target Tom my target failed.
I have no idea what to think about TRSJT's claim and this whole AE thing.
All I will say is that TRSJT wasn't targeted by anyone night one.
My night power was the ability to be untargettable by anyone except the one I target. Example: Azrael has the ability to steal a soul at night. I choose him as my "Night target" and as my target, he would be able to steal my soul. But Rodemy (in this example) couldn't also target me with a night kill ability. It was immunity to everyone except the person I target. Further clarification - if someone targetted me and I targetted them they got to choose two targets. So... go back to the example: Az targets me with "Steal Soul." I target him as well. Now he can choose a SECOND target and steal say... Rodemy's soul. Okay? Ability explained?
Moving onto the next bit. The Canon thing from Day one posted by Iso/Moderation: was followed immediately by a PM saying: "You have lost all Night Abilities." The comment about "wanting a surprise for Night kill" was a bluff to try to survive till today. The Swashbuckler role is considered a "Town Duelist."
All of that said: Go back to where I said the things about Az. The fact that I hammered was obnoxious, but not helpful. Yes it was death to him. But he also didn't move over to DBS earlier. Offer ANY usable intel in the day... And is now one step closer to causeing EVERYONE to lose... SO yeah... the thing that I already didn't like as a "Survivor only wins" thing, plus being useless is why I want to lynch him. The Hammering part is like... part 4 of a 4 part reasoning.
[quote from="shadowlancerx »" url="/forums/community-forums/mafia/788489-pirates-mafia-day-3-polly-wanna?comment=1201"][quote from="D_V »" url="/forums/community-forums/mafia/788489-pirates-mafia-day-3-polly-wanna?comment=1199"]**** it.
I tried to target Tom my target failed.
I have no idea what to think about TRSJT's claim and this whole AE thing.
All I will say is that TRSJT wasn't targeted by anyone night one.
O.o
I’m personally in favor of you claiming what you attempted to do to Tom, but this is more about curiosity than it is necessary to solve currently.
Current theory is that you were blocked; if any townie blocked DV, now is the time to own up to it, otherwise when it comes time to mass claim you’ll have earned my suspicion.
My night power was the ability to be untargettable by anyone except the one I target. Example: Azrael has the ability to steal a soul at night. I choose him as my "Night target" and as my target, he would be able to steal my soul. But Rodemy (in this example) couldn't also target me with a night kill ability. It was immunity to everyone except the person I target. Further clarification - if someone targetted me and I targetted them they got to choose two targets. So... go back to the example: Az targets me with "Steal Soul." I target him as well. Now he can choose a SECOND target and steal say... Rodemy's soul. Okay? Ability explained?
Moving onto the next bit. The Canon thing from Day one posted by Iso/Moderation: was followed immediately by a PM saying: "You have lost all Night Abilities." The comment about "wanting a surprise for Night kill" was a bluff to try to survive till today. The Swashbuckler role is considered a "Town Duelist."
All of that said: Go back to where I said the things about Az. The fact that I hammered was obnoxious, but not helpful. Yes it was death to him. But he also didn't move over to DBS earlier. Offer ANY usable intel in the day... And is now one step closer to causeing EVERYONE to lose... SO yeah... the thing that I already didn't like as a "Survivor only wins" thing, plus being useless is why I want to lynch him. The Hammering part is like... part 4 of a 4 part reasoning.
I have no idea what to think about TRSJT's claim and this whole AE thing.
All I will say is that TRSJT wasn't targeted by anyone night one.
O.o
I’m personally in favor of you claiming what you attempted to do to Tom, but this is more about curiosity than it is necessary to solve currently.
Current theory is that you were blocked; if any townie blocked DV, now is the time to own up to it, otherwise when it comes time to mass claim you’ll have earned my suspicion.
@Terry I use mirroring to mean whatever ability is fired at him he does back to the person who fired it. So since you rolecopped him he rolecopped you.
I have nothing to come clean about, because I already claimed my full role, down to a tee.
No idea what Terry is going off about, and absolutely no idea why he wouldn't have targeted me last night, as suspicious as he's been pretending to be about me. That seems like an obvious, slam dunk play for him if he really doubted my claim.
As for why I didn't target AE, I directly solicited a role cop on me last night. If I had grabbed another soul, that would have countered the investigation, according to the order of operations. So I opted not to screw up any potential role copping that could ensue...only to have terry coincidentally claim a rolecop who apparently didn't target me. Right...
And then tries to desperately deflect onto me, and onto Grape, for something that's not even a slip, far as I can see.
What's my genius play, here, Terry. Solicit a role cop, while lying about my claim (resultiing in insta-lynch), AND opting not to power up the ability that could shield me from role-cop investigations while having a perfectly good excuse to do so, thanks to AE's request?
No idea what Terry is going off about, and absolutely no idea why he wouldn't have targeted me last night, as suspicious as he's been pretending to be about me. That seems like an obvious, slam dunk play for him if he really doubted my claim.
Last post this is why I assumed that AE was Terry's D1 target. I don't think I made that clear earlier.
Ok so joe is probably still just scum. Not targeting az, trying to jump on grapes nonslip, even taking that long to vote. *****s scummy.
I do kind of like the way he interacted with archmage knowing back or whatever, but it's such a unique situation that I'm not sure there's actually a townie or scummy way to go about it...
I... think I am in favor of massclaim and am considering townreading DV harder for timing of his suggestion of such
I have nothing to come clean about, because I already claimed my full role, down to a tee.
Yea forget I asked, My thought process went down the wrong path.
No idea what Terry is going off about, and absolutely no idea why he wouldn't have targeted me last night, as suspicious as he's been pretending to be about me. That seems like an obvious, slam dunk play for him if he really doubted my claim.
So scum got concerned with why I wanted you to target me. It was DoTA that was mentioning me soft claiming a power role so Terry ran with that.
Yea forget I asked, My thought process went down the wrong path.
So scum got concerned with why I wanted you to target me. It was DoTA that was mentioning me soft claiming a power role so Terry ran with that.
AE's got the answer for why Terry targeted AE, I suspect. They were worried about running into something. So he claims truthfully, just not as townie would play. Hopes we let him live another day so he can prove his ability, and hope that by putting enough pressure on me, people get interested in using him to "verify" my claim. Or he tries to counter-claim me for a mislynch.
All viable scum lines of play that make far more sense than not role-investigating the neutral, as a townie.
I agree with tom here. Terry seems like desperate scum. I have no idea what the slip business was about. That made even less sense than what terry usually posts.
I agree with the mass claim, but I have to ask if it's possible for me to not claim. My role is better off not known.
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The fact that this game has been left in a state of confusion by unclear claims is frustrating. I have no idea what happened between AE and Terry or why that targetting happened. And all that points to scum!Terry, but I kind of see a glimmer of town!Terry in him actually digging into my "slip" and backing off of it.
I still want to know why on earth he towned Shadow over the neutral stuff. I still want to know what he thinks mirroring is if it's not what I described. I still want to know who he was redirected to N1 (though I'm torn on when I want to learn the role from him if we go through with the mass claim. If I trusted him more I'd want it second, but I'm not at all sure I trust him. Tentatively I want him to claim target then claim, then his.) I want to know who he tried to target N1 before being redirected. And I want to know why he didn't target Az but keeps pushing him. Ohhh and a reason why he targeted AE would be good too.
To sit here and say "Ohhh bad things might have happened for targeting Az, he could be lying. We need to lynch him because of that." When you unilaterally have the power to check him is ??? I don't know if I've ever seen a role where it does something bad to the person who visits them on scum. Actually that's a lie, I saw a bomb setter (that couldn't self target in a bastard game once) but I don't count that. I'm not even sure if Terry made that argument (I'm not going to check now I have a headache coming on and I'm making a lot of parenthetical notes) but someone (DV?) did and it's a bad reason for town!Terry to avoid Az. It's a good cover for scum!Terry not to check him though.
Long rambling post over. Pretty sure Terry is still scum.
If we want to move forward with a massclaim, I propose something like this:
Terry (claiming his night 1 crap)
AE (fullclaim, to clear things up)
Vezok (I don’t trust him enough to be okay with him not claiming)
Tom (Specifically I think he should claim before DV)
Rodemy
Grapefruit
DV
Kazin (If he has anything left to claim)
Shadow (I’m willing to go as early as between grapefruit and DV, but I’d prefer later)
If we don’t want to massclaim today, then Terry and AE still need to claim what’s left from them.
We are not doing mass claim by a list decided by shadow. Especially not him last. We wait for terry to complete his claim then do it popcorn style.
Any specific reason you spoke that into the æther rather than at me directly? Do you actively think I’m scum? What about that list do you disagree with other than me putting myself last?
We are not doing mass claim by a list decided by shadow. Especially not him last. We wait for terry to complete his claim then do it popcorn style.
Any specific reason you spoke that into the æther rather than at me directly? Do you actively think I’m scum? What about that list do you disagree with other than me putting myself last?
I think tom is too low and DV is too high. I'd rather have them switch places in the list and have you go after or before DV.
I'm not convinced you are scum, but you are a very capable player so I can't get a read as easily as on other people. From my perspective you haven't been genuine at all this entire game. This list is just another thing on top of all the others. You have never accused me of anything yet you always have me as scummy. You even put first in the list (terry and AE don't count). This play feels like scum trying to keep a mislynch viable instead of actually thinking I'm scum. The fact that you put yourself last in the mass claim list is also disturbing.
I'm second guessing myself a lot because of no flips. If you are town, you're probably our best bet for lynching scum. I'm not certain enough you are scum to risk lynching you at this point.
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I think tom is too low and DV is too high. I'd rather have them switch places in the list and have you go after or before DV.
What makes you trust Tom over DV? Also DV claimed to have targeted Tom and something interfered, so I want Tom to claim before DV so that if he is scum he can’t tailor his claim.
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I'm not convinced you are scum, but you are a very capable player so I can't get a read as easily as on other people. From my perspective you haven't been genuine at all this entire game. This list is just another thing on top of all the others. You have never accused me of anything yet you always have me as scummy. You even put first in the list (terry and AE don't count). This play feels like scum trying to keep a mislynch viable instead of actually thinking I'm scum. The fact that you put yourself last in the mass claim list is also disturbing.
What doesn’t feel genuine? I put you first because someone who supports a massclaim except for themselves raises my eyebrows. Like, if you were super close to clear either mechanically or behaviorally that would be one thing, but you’re not. I’d probably fine shifting you after Tom and possibly Rod as well, but not any farther.
Why is my putting myself last disconcerting to you?
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I'm second guessing myself a lot because of no flips. If you are town, you're probably our best bet for lynching scum. I'm not certain enough you are scum to risk lynching you at this point.
1) I missed that thing about DV and tom. Tom is my biggest town read while DV is not quite as solid town. That's why I wanted DV to claim first, but now that you pointed that out I can see why tom claiming before DV would be better. I don't really think it matters though.
2) I don't really care when I claim. My problem was with you thinking I'm scum, but not really committing to it. (I assumed you put me first in the claim order because you think I'm scum)
I don't really know how to explain what feels genuine and what doesn't. Your posts feel fabricated. All your posts feel like you put a lot of time into them, when I expect townies to react impulsively at least once in a while. I'm not sure if that is your meta or you are actually scum this game.
You are pretty high up the list of people I think are scum. I don't like scum being the last to claim in a mass-claim as they can tailor their claim better.
3) I was trying to say that if you aren't scum, you are one of the best players in the town. A good player has a much higher chance of catching scum.
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1) I missed that thing about DV and tom. Tom is my biggest town read while DV is not quite as solid town. That's why I wanted DV to claim first, but now that you pointed that out I can see why tom claiming before DV would be better. I don't really think it matters though.
Most of the time it won’t, but if it does it really matters.
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2) I don't really care when I claim. My problem was with you thinking I'm scum, but not really committing to it. (I assumed you put me first in the claim order because you think I'm scum)
Thats fair, I’ve got bigger fish to fry, and you haven’t been high on my radar.
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I don't really know how to explain what feels genuine and what doesn't. Your posts feel fabricated. All your posts feel like you put a lot of time into them, when I expect townies to react impulsively at least once in a while. I'm not sure if that is your meta or you are actually scum this game.
You are pretty high up the list of people I think are scum. I don't like scum being the last to claim in a mass-claim as they can tailor their claim better.
Thats kind of funny, I feel like I have reacted pretty impulsively a couple of times this game.
As far as going last, I did a pseudo breadcrumb, and while it by no means locks me into my claim, it does restrict things. I want to go last because I trust myself the most, and my role has some potential to catch liars.
Ok, I'm just getting this out here. I was bluffing to try to make Az think I targeted him N1, when I actually did try to target him, but was redirected to ???. I think Az didn't flinch when I implied I might have info on him, so he was probably telling the truth about his role. I didn't try to target Az N2 because, I decided that he was at least telling the truth about being neutral, so targeting him wouldn't help me catch mafia and that he needs to die regardless. I targeted AE because I thought either way DOTA flips, it would be a useful association because DOTA was voting AE.
As far as the N1 target goes, if we are going through with a mass claim, don't you think it'd be useful to hold that until the end? To keep people honest.
Regarding the mass claim, I'm never thrilled about it (as either alignment). It seems lazy.
That all being said, I'm probably the only investigative role here because some of the unclaimed abilities would very clearly indicate alignment at this point. I doubt there is an alignment cop in addition to my role.
Oh, AE's ability. I think it's still useful, especially if I get lynched today, so I wasn't really planning on sharing it. It isn't how Grape described it though. Grape could be BSing me but whatever.
Hmm, that’s actually fair enough. I think having you claim your night 1 result last should be fine. Worst case we have a dichotomy and net 1 scum for sure.
Oh, AE's ability. I think it's still useful, especially if I get lynched today, so I wasn't really planning on sharing it. It isn't how Grape described it though. Grape could be BSing me but whatever.
If we’re mass claiming then he’s going to claim it anyway.
I'll give you two examples to illustrate my point and then you can tell me if you understood or not.
Example 1: We lynch Archmage Eternal today. He flips whatever. We go into tomorrow with the same amount of information as today and a dead town who was actually helping.
Example 2: We lynch someone like DV or dawning and they flip town. Next day we can analyse the way people on the wagon, the pushes and the every interaction that player had.
I tend to believe mafia is a game of information where a team wins through better play and games aren't decided by randomness. My preference is to gain as much info as possible in the early days to use it in the later days when it's more important to lynch correctly than to get info.
So him flipping scum would be bad? I'm not seeing your mindset at all. The only way it would be bad to lynch AE is if he is town and we get no info. So you are making a reason not to lynch him because of that. And sure, that sounds good and all, but like, it's as if you know? You even shoot down "what ifs" involving him as scum by saying "That never happens" You argue for not lynching him strictly on the basis that we will get no info from him.
Why, yes, that does sound like scum trying to gain some town points in their town pants.
Because there is ~no way~ you are saying: If we lynch him and he flips scum, that would be bad. I don't give a **** if we get no info from that lynch, that is one scum down.
I would love to; I'm having trouble following this game tbh. I'm used to playing games with 2-4 deaths (1-2 lynches and 1-2 NKs) every 72 hours. I'm just very confused. *sigh*
I confess; I have never ever liked D1 and can't wait for D2; when I actually feel I actually have some real knowledge to work with.
He does not surmise I'm fliping town. He's saying "town" as in the mafia NK. I.E. I get lynched we go into night and scum kill a townie.
I already thought Rod was clear for his census role, but his would also clear Vezo and imply that Nancy was probably a mislynch. I think this combined with AE's ability, also points to AE town.
So this no-flip thing actually sucks for the record. We can't analyze wagons, we can't be sure we got scum, so we can't find dichotomies. It only benifits scum so if it's a game mechanic it's a super *****ty one, concidering my census was a one shot without knowledge there was no flip game mechanic.
That being said, terry is lookin good as scum right now. But ****, we wont get a flip or have any way of knowing, so who cares.
So shadow, your list. I just find it very ****in odd you want me to claim after tom. When i've already claimed what everyone here knows is my ability.
What they don't know is that i am neighbors with tom. So us claiming one after another on that list is very suspicious. Concidering, get this, I'm the captain of the ship and tom is my son.
Flavorwise, the son overthrowing the captain (his mother) is fun.
So, shadow/tom?
Fun story, tom predicted a parrot in the game in our chat.
So, lets say we HAVEN't lynched scum yet.
Look at tom shadow and Terry. I am gonna this weekend. But, like, maybe?
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So this no-flip thing actually sucks for the record. We can't analyze wagons, we can't be sure we got scum, so we can't find dichotomies. It only benifits scum so if it's a game mechanic it's a super *****ty one, concidering my census was a one shot without knowledge there was no flip game mechanic.
That being said, terry is lookin good as scum right now. But ****, we wont get a flip or have any way of knowing, so who cares.
So shadow, your list. I just find it very ****in odd you want me to claim after tom. When i've already claimed what everyone here knows is my ability.
What they don't know is that i am neighbors with tom. So us claiming one after another on that list is very suspicious. Concidering, get this, I'm the captain of the ship and tom is my son.
Flavorwise, the son overthrowing the captain (his mother) is fun.
So, shadow/tom?
Fun story, tom predicted a parrot in the game in our chat.
So, lets say we HAVEN't lynched scum yet.
Look at tom shadow and Terry. I am gonna this weekend. But, like, maybe?
Hah, so flavor wise I’m guessing you didn’t get to pick Tom, you just started the game with that chat? How has that gone for you guys?
(Also this is not at all how I would have played rolling scum with Tom )
Second I didn't predict parrot, I said it sounded like a fakeclaim when he claimed it but then he died.
Third, since it's out there now...
With rodemy/az being tightly tied together (by rodemy confirming both the existence of a neutral AND az's soulsteal) I've been hyper aware of any signs they're w/w.
Only thing I've seen is one time I told rod he should ask AZ why he targeted him, and AZ said why in thread without Rod having posted. So, like, maybe he was just lurking and relayed it to scumchat?
And when Joe was trying to catch grapefruit slipping he vaguely implied there was already neighbors which he shouldn't have known unless scum with rodemy (or rolecopped one of us)
Overall I think rodemy is ~town still.
Don't like him disappearing from our hood at night when I'm in there making charts and rambling. Hes prolly less of a nighttime reader than me in general, but when it's dark it feels like he left me for scumchat and is gonna NK me...
Its actually decent detective work from what I asked.
Which was about Terry and AE talking and neither of them saying that they had talked.
Yet AE seemed to know what Terry was.
Its either the mirror or what shadow said I guess. But with us having a loudmouth in the game that makes less sense.
**** it.
I tried to target Tom my target failed.
I have no idea what to think about TRSJT's claim and this whole AE thing.
All I will say is that TRSJT wasn't targeted by anyone night one.
Kazin claimed loudmouth right?
We got way too much bull***** going on.
I suspect we might already be in lylo today depending on what Azreal's role is.
I'm scared we are sitting with another kill being delayed.
And it wouldn't surprised me if Rodemy dropped dead tonight because of Azreal.
I’m personally in favor of you claiming what you attempted to do to Tom, but this is more about curiosity than it is necessary to solve currently.
Current theory is that you were blocked; if any townie blocked DV, now is the time to own up to it, otherwise when it comes time to mass claim you’ll have earned my suspicion.
O.o
I’m personally in favor of you claiming what you attempted to do to Tom, but this is more about curiosity than it is necessary to solve currently.
Current theory is that you were blocked; if any townie blocked DV, now is the time to own up to it, otherwise when it comes time to mass claim you’ll have earned my suspicion.
WAIT
How does that Track with KA and why was KA not counterclaimed......
UGHHH
No idea what Terry is going off about, and absolutely no idea why he wouldn't have targeted me last night, as suspicious as he's been pretending to be about me. That seems like an obvious, slam dunk play for him if he really doubted my claim.
As for why I didn't target AE, I directly solicited a role cop on me last night. If I had grabbed another soul, that would have countered the investigation, according to the order of operations. So I opted not to screw up any potential role copping that could ensue...only to have terry coincidentally claim a rolecop who apparently didn't target me. Right...
And then tries to desperately deflect onto me, and onto Grape, for something that's not even a slip, far as I can see.
Last post this is why I assumed that AE was Terry's D1 target. I don't think I made that clear earlier.
Azreal why would Terry even believe you?
That you don't have something nasty to respond with.
But let me ask you this.
What is Terry's grand play? Not role cop you after hammering the night before and hoping what?
Come on man.
Well I'm waiting for a town to claim that they RB'ed me.
I do kind of like the way he interacted with archmage knowing back or whatever, but it's such a unique situation that I'm not sure there's actually a townie or scummy way to go about it...
I... think I am in favor of massclaim and am considering townreading DV harder for timing of his suggestion of such
Yea forget I asked, My thought process went down the wrong path.
So scum got concerned with why I wanted you to target me. It was DoTA that was mentioning me soft claiming a power role so Terry ran with that.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
I think fully knowing what's going on will help me parse this
AE's got the answer for why Terry targeted AE, I suspect. They were worried about running into something. So he claims truthfully, just not as townie would play. Hopes we let him live another day so he can prove his ability, and hope that by putting enough pressure on me, people get interested in using him to "verify" my claim. Or he tries to counter-claim me for a mislynch.
All viable scum lines of play that make far more sense than not role-investigating the neutral, as a townie.
I agree with the mass claim, but I have to ask if it's possible for me to not claim. My role is better off not known.
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I still want to know why on earth he towned Shadow over the neutral stuff. I still want to know what he thinks mirroring is if it's not what I described. I still want to know who he was redirected to N1 (though I'm torn on when I want to learn the role from him if we go through with the mass claim. If I trusted him more I'd want it second, but I'm not at all sure I trust him. Tentatively I want him to claim target then claim, then his.) I want to know who he tried to target N1 before being redirected. And I want to know why he didn't target Az but keeps pushing him. Ohhh and a reason why he targeted AE would be good too.
To sit here and say "Ohhh bad things might have happened for targeting Az, he could be lying. We need to lynch him because of that." When you unilaterally have the power to check him is ??? I don't know if I've ever seen a role where it does something bad to the person who visits them on scum. Actually that's a lie, I saw a bomb setter (that couldn't self target in a bastard game once) but I don't count that. I'm not even sure if Terry made that argument (I'm not going to check now I have a headache coming on and I'm making a lot of parenthetical notes) but someone (DV?) did and it's a bad reason for town!Terry to avoid Az. It's a good cover for scum!Terry not to check him though.
Long rambling post over. Pretty sure Terry is still scum.
Reiterate FoS: Terry Voting in spirit.
I'll be on a computer tonight so ill post then.
Im not scum, ya dope.
Shadow i dont think is either.
Tom... possibly? But my reasoning is purely flavor and is probably wrong. Remind me at the end of the Day.
Terry (claiming his night 1 crap)
AE (fullclaim, to clear things up)
Vezok (I don’t trust him enough to be okay with him not claiming)
Tom (Specifically I think he should claim before DV)
Rodemy
Grapefruit
DV
Kazin (If he has anything left to claim)
Shadow (I’m willing to go as early as between grapefruit and DV, but I’d prefer later)
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I think tom is too low and DV is too high. I'd rather have them switch places in the list and have you go after or before DV.
I'm not convinced you are scum, but you are a very capable player so I can't get a read as easily as on other people. From my perspective you haven't been genuine at all this entire game. This list is just another thing on top of all the others. You have never accused me of anything yet you always have me as scummy. You even put first in the list (terry and AE don't count). This play feels like scum trying to keep a mislynch viable instead of actually thinking I'm scum. The fact that you put yourself last in the mass claim list is also disturbing.
I'm second guessing myself a lot because of no flips. If you are town, you're probably our best bet for lynching scum. I'm not certain enough you are scum to risk lynching you at this point.
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Why is my putting myself last disconcerting to you? What do you mean by the bolded?
1) I missed that thing about DV and tom. Tom is my biggest town read while DV is not quite as solid town. That's why I wanted DV to claim first, but now that you pointed that out I can see why tom claiming before DV would be better. I don't really think it matters though.
2) I don't really care when I claim. My problem was with you thinking I'm scum, but not really committing to it. (I assumed you put me first in the claim order because you think I'm scum)
I don't really know how to explain what feels genuine and what doesn't. Your posts feel fabricated. All your posts feel like you put a lot of time into them, when I expect townies to react impulsively at least once in a while. I'm not sure if that is your meta or you are actually scum this game.
You are pretty high up the list of people I think are scum. I don't like scum being the last to claim in a mass-claim as they can tailor their claim better.
3) I was trying to say that if you aren't scum, you are one of the best players in the town. A good player has a much higher chance of catching scum.
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I'll go whenever.
Shadow's list seems passable.
As far as going last, I did a pseudo breadcrumb, and while it by no means locks me into my claim, it does restrict things. I want to go last because I trust myself the most, and my role has some potential to catch liars.
As far as the N1 target goes, if we are going through with a mass claim, don't you think it'd be useful to hold that until the end? To keep people honest.
Regarding the mass claim, I'm never thrilled about it (as either alignment). It seems lazy.
That all being said, I'm probably the only investigative role here because some of the unclaimed abilities would very clearly indicate alignment at this point. I doubt there is an alignment cop in addition to my role.
I already thought Rod was clear for his census role, but his would also clear Vezo and imply that Nancy was probably a mislynch. I think this combined with AE's ability, also points to AE town.
That being said, terry is lookin good as scum right now. But ****, we wont get a flip or have any way of knowing, so who cares.
So shadow, your list. I just find it very ****in odd you want me to claim after tom. When i've already claimed what everyone here knows is my ability.
What they don't know is that i am neighbors with tom. So us claiming one after another on that list is very suspicious. Concidering, get this, I'm the captain of the ship and tom is my son.
Flavorwise, the son overthrowing the captain (his mother) is fun.
So, shadow/tom?
Fun story, tom predicted a parrot in the game in our chat.
So, lets say we HAVEN't lynched scum yet.
Look at tom shadow and Terry. I am gonna this weekend. But, like, maybe?
(Also this is not at all how I would have played rolling scum with Tom )
So AE is up.
Second I didn't predict parrot, I said it sounded like a fakeclaim when he claimed it but then he died.
Third, since it's out there now...
With rodemy/az being tightly tied together (by rodemy confirming both the existence of a neutral AND az's soulsteal) I've been hyper aware of any signs they're w/w.
Only thing I've seen is one time I told rod he should ask AZ why he targeted him, and AZ said why in thread without Rod having posted. So, like, maybe he was just lurking and relayed it to scumchat?
And when Joe was trying to catch grapefruit slipping he vaguely implied there was already neighbors which he shouldn't have known unless scum with rodemy (or rolecopped one of us)
Overall I think rodemy is ~town still.
Don't like him disappearing from our hood at night when I'm in there making charts and rambling. Hes prolly less of a nighttime reader than me in general, but when it's dark it feels like he left me for scumchat and is gonna NK me...
Also yeah, weve had 24_7 chat since d1.
No way could i pull off that gambit with az.
Also, shadow, darling, saying how you would play as one role or another does nothing.
The parrot I was refering to was at the beginming of our chat when you said i should say the things you say as "my parrot told me"
Didn't remember saying that.
That's back when I was planning on only speaking in metaphors and was gonna tell you anything I couldn't figure out how to post.
Oh how times have changed