Hey Vezok, you got any juicy opinions on anything? Or even non juicy ones I'm not picky.
I hate spiral staircases. I think that whoever puts something like that in their building for aesthetic reasons is a deranged maniac and shouldn't be allowed to have kids. I kinda understand why medieval towers had them, but I still hate them with a passion.
I'd rather look at mold growing than looking at live spiral staircase.
If you meant opinions about the game, I don't really have anything.
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Hey Vezok, you got any juicy opinions on anything? Or even non juicy ones I'm not picky.
I hate spiral staircases. I think that whoever puts something like that in their building for aesthetic reasons is a deranged maniac and shouldn't be allowed to have kids. I kinda understand why medieval towers had them, but I still hate them with a passion.
I'd rather look at mold growing than looking at live spiral staircase.
If you meant opinions about the game, I don't really have anything.
Fun fact, spiral staircases in castles tend to rotate anti-clockwise (down to the left) because most people are right handed, which meant the defenders at the top would have an easier time swinging their swords at the attacker coming from below.
But yes, I did mean about the game. Since you do not have any opinions at all (not even about Rodemy!) then can you try and find some. Ask a question perhaps! Or if you don't want to do that, what sort of thing are you looking/waiting for (and not just "something scummy")?
Hey Vezok, you got any juicy opinions on anything? Or even non juicy ones I'm not picky.
I hate spiral staircases. I think that whoever puts something like that in their building for aesthetic reasons is a deranged maniac and shouldn't be allowed to have kids. I kinda understand why medieval towers had them, but I still hate them with a passion.
I'd rather look at mold growing than looking at live spiral staircase.
If you meant opinions about the game, I don't really have anything.
I genuinely thought you were going somewhere with this and now I’m sad. Make some sort of mafia analogy about spiral stairs.Is everyone enjoying your private chat(s)? Are people actually talking in them?
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I see no upside to maintaining the chats secrecy. Worst case, we gain nothing. Best (and what seems to be the most likely case to me) case, scum flips townclear their neighbor.
I feel like the scum are passing up on a huge asset if they chose their partner for the chat. Why give up the ability to try and manipulate or build credit with a townsperson? Especially in such a small game, if either mafioso was successful in such an endeavor, they'd have an incredibly strong position in the game.
What's more interesting to me, and I don't think anyone has gone into detail on, is WHY they chose their neighbor. You say it's NAI, but I think that knowing the mindset of why such an important decision was made, given that the decision was made AFTER receiving their role PM, could absolutely shed light into their alignment.
Scum will probably lie, sure, but I think this could be another method of increasing the likelihood of a slot being town-aligned.
Nobody appears to be acting out of the ordinary yet. In particular, Rodemy and tom appear to be being Rodemy (wrong, but Rodemy) and tom (right, but tom).
Well I usually find it hard to read people day 1, especially when we had no RVS. There's also the fact that everyone here is experienced and hard to read at a glance.
I don't really have a way of generating reada, I just wait for something to catch my eye.
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@Eco, bit early for that, but if you put a gun to my head, Tom and yourself. Not that Rodemy came out of his interaction with Tom looking worse, but I like Tom's initial mindset. Then again, I generally like his mindset in games, pulls off the nonchalant analyst much better than I ever could.
I think the semantics bit you caught onto, even if it's low-percentage, demonstrates higher-level scumhunting than what a mafioso would need to be doing this early in the game. Starting the conversation as you did, while helpful, seems like the pretty clear line given the setup.
My usual scumhunting method is to just eliminate town players until only a small pool of slots exist that can still feasibly be scum in my worldview. I have come to realize that this may be a much more dangerous method in a micro-sized game like this one, which I've never played through the forum medium before. I guess we'll see if I need to adjust.
I am probably thinking too hard and over complicating a simple situation like i do.
I am just.. REALLY eager to prove myself. unvote Imma let the better players take the wheel now. We have nothing right now. Mountains, molehills. You know the analogy.
What happened between those 20 mins between you voting tom and then unvoting?
I don't think i like the overall mindset that i am wrong about everything so far.
I feel like i've played this game long enough to warrent a little credit.
Yes, my methods are odd, but i have a tendency to get at least one scum a game.
I feel like dans response was sub par at best.
Tom hasn't done any analysis. And my interaction with tom is nai at best.
I wasn't intentionally trying to push town on a bad direction, i was figuring out pro's and cons of a suggested tactic.
Tom threw out that wine pouring gif without explaining what exactly was the wine. When i confronted him, he dodged the question.
I feel like i was doing a decent job weighing the pros and cons of the idea (even if i did have the wrong game setup in mind) So this mindset of:
Rodemy is wrong because "Rodemy" needs to stop before scum take advantage of that.
I will slow down this game.
I will try my best to read everything carefully.
Please don't discredit me.
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I don't think i like the overall mindset that i am wrong about everything so far.
I feel like i've played this game long enough to warrent a little credit.
Yes, my methods are odd, but i have a tendency to get at least one scum a game.
I feel like dans response was sub par at best.
Tom hasn't done any analysis. And my interaction with tom is nai at best.
I wasn't intentionally trying to push town on a bad direction, i was figuring out pro's and cons of a suggested tactic.
Tom threw out that wine pouring gif without explaining what exactly was the wine. When i confronted him, he dodged the question.
I feel like i was doing a decent job weighing the pros and cons of the idea (even if i did have the wrong game setup in mind) So this mindset of:
Rodemy is wrong because "Rodemy" needs to stop before scum take advantage of that.
I will slow down this game.
I will try my best to read everything carefully.
Please don't discredit me.
I'm uncertain if this was aimed at me or not, but if my previous post came out wrong, I apologize.
I'm seriously curious what was that you were thinking before you took back your question "please claim if anyone targeted you".
Even if you don't want to do that, I still want to know what was the exact plan behind it and why you wanted to do it at that point.
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Hey Bur, what factors went into choosing your chat partner?
Do you think you would feel reasonably good about discerning alignment within a private chat? More specifically, do you think you would have a better insight to my alignment had we chatted?
@Dan: how do you plan to know if you’ll need to adjust your play because of the nature of this being a micro, specifically before it’s too late?
No idea. Any suggestions?
@Rodemy, I didn't mean to be discrediting you either. I thought the phrase "Not that Rodemy came out... looking worse" made that clear, but for posterity's sake. How do you feel my response was subpar? Do you disagree about my opinion of his posts on 43/44 and general skepticism he's displayed so far?
I am probably thinking too hard and over complicating a simple situation like i do.
I am just.. REALLY eager to prove myself. unvote Imma let the better players take the wheel now. We have nothing right now. Mountains, molehills. You know the analogy.
What happened between those 20 mins between you voting tom and then unvoting?
Scratch that. That idea will get us nowhere. Goodnight.
Want to share with the rest of us what you were thinking?
I was thinking hard about that gif tom posted. Like, i just assumed it was towards me. It could have been a reaction to me saying wifom.
Just, thoughts spiraled in my head and i ultimatley decided to unvote and not charge full speed ahead. I want to slow down and actually do well this game.
I was thinking accountability with my idea. When being lynched, if you claim you were picked you could claim who picked you.
Everyone that got PICKED as a neighbor claims. With the idea that scum picked a townie as their partner, and going off the fact some people didn't get picked, i was thinking we could at least narrow the pool a bit without claiming.
But then i realized how much of a logic loop it causes and was like, nope. That hurts my brain.
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Hey Bur, what factors went into choosing your chat partner?
Do you think you would feel reasonably good about discerning alignment within a private chat? More specifically, do you think you would have a better insight to my alignment had we chatted?
I picked a person I like talking with and who is not likely to make my eyes bleed.
In the end, it came down to you and [the person I picked] and ended up picking the other since [reasons] and I kinda doubted that I'd be able to discern your alignment via neighbour chat.
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Well I usually find it hard to read people day 1, especially when we had no RVS. There's also the fact that everyone here is experienced and hard to read at a glance.
I don't really have a way of generating reada, I just wait for something to catch my eye.
Literally everyone finds it difficult to generate reads early on D1 with little to go on, so that's not much of an excuse for doing nothing. Has there been anything that caught your eye but you decided wasn't a scum tell? Have you seen any town indicators? What sort of things are you most on the look out for at this stage of the game?
@Eco, bit early for that, but if you put a gun to my head, Tom and yourself. Not that Rodemy came out of his interaction with Tom looking worse, but I like Tom's initial mindset. Then again, I generally like his mindset in games, pulls off the nonchalant analyst much better than I ever could.
I think the semantics bit you caught onto, even if it's low-percentage, demonstrates higher-level scumhunting than what a mafioso would need to be doing this early in the game. Starting the conversation as you did, while helpful, seems like the pretty clear line given the setup.
I am tremendously sceptical of these reads. Could you please go into more detail about:
What exactly it is about Tom's initial mindset you like
How you got a town read if the mindset that you like is apparently just Tom meta and presumably therefore not alignment indicative
Why you consider noticing a strict contradiction "high level scum hunting"
What exactly about the conversation I started that seems town, when starting conversations is not a particularly challenging thing to do as any alignment.
I respect that these are "gun to the head" reads, but I am having real trouble believing that these reads are genuine.
@Dan: how do you plan to know if you’ll need to adjust your play because of the nature of this being a micro, specifically before it’s too late?
What kind of question is this? Why did you ask it? (1)
Firstly, it's just plain bad. You know as well as everyone that you answer this question in a satisfying way. You can't know when to adjust your play, if you don't even know if you have to adjust your playstyle.
Secondly, how would this question even help with scumhunting? What answers where you expecting from scum dan that were different from a town dan response?(2)
I numbered the important question. Please answer them.
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Well I usually find it hard to read people day 1, especially when we had no RVS. There's also the fact that everyone here is experienced and hard to read at a glance.
I don't really have a way of generating reada, I just wait for something to catch my eye.
Literally everyone finds it difficult to generate reads early on D1 with little to go on, so that's not much of an excuse for doing nothing. Has there been anything that caught your eye but you decided wasn't a scum tell? Have you seen any town indicators? What sort of things are you most on the look out for at this stage of the game?
I'm slightly scumreading Rodemy for his "nervous" comment, but Rodemy is such a wild card that I didn't feel the need to share with the class.
I really don't understand why you are pressuring me to generate reads when there were 50 posts in the entire game. It's simply not enough to generate reads. Say that every person has a scumrating from 0 to 100 with 100 being confirmed scum. Everyone starts at 50. I could say that tom's gif choice decreased his score to 49 or that Rodemy's content increased his to 52, but it doesn't contribute anything to the thread and the scores could change just because I woke up on the wrong side of the bed.
You've seen me play before. You know I'm not going to fence-sit all game. What exactly where you trying to accomplish with this line of questioning?
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I'm slightly scumreading Rodemy for his "nervous" comment, but Rodemy is such a wild card that I didn't feel the need to share with the class.
I really don't understand why you are pressuring me to generate reads when there were 50 posts in the entire game. It's simply not enough to generate reads. Say that every person has a scumrating from 0 to 100 with 100 being confirmed scum. Everyone starts at 50. I could say that tom's gif choice decreased his score to 49 or that Rodemy's content increased his to 52, but it doesn't contribute anything to the thread and the scores could change just because I woke up on the wrong side of the bed.
You've seen me play before. You know I'm not going to fence-sit all game. What exactly where you trying to accomplish with this line of questioning?
I am attempting to generate content. We only have a week (ish) and we're not exactly moving at a quick pace here. Pressuring people for reads and the explanations behind them even this early in the game is a hell of a lot more valuable than sitting around saying "I guess I'll just wait for someone to scumslip".
@Dan: how do you plan to know if you’ll need to adjust your play because of the nature of this being a micro, specifically before it’s too late?
What kind of question is this? Why did you ask it? (1)
Firstly, it's just plain bad. You know as well as everyone that you answer this question in a satisfying way. You can't know when to adjust your play, if you don't even know if you have to adjust your playstyle.
Secondly, how would this question even help with scumhunting? What answers where you expecting from scum dan that were different from a town dan response?(2)
I numbered the important question. Please answer them.
Dan ended his post in 73 talking about adjusting his play because of the nature of micro games. Micro games by there nature don’t have time to adjust and I wanted to see if he
A. Realized that and
B. Was just blowing smoke.
@Dan: how do you plan to know if you’ll need to adjust your play because of the nature of this being a micro, specifically before it’s too late?
What kind of question is this? Why did you ask it? (1)
Firstly, it's just plain bad. You know as well as everyone that you answer this question in a satisfying way. You can't know when to adjust your play, if you don't even know if you have to adjust your playstyle.
Secondly, how would this question even help with scumhunting? What answers where you expecting from scum dan that were different from a town dan response?(2)
I numbered the important question. Please answer them.
Dan ended his post in 73 talking about adjusting his play because of the nature of micro games. Micro games by there nature don’t have time to adjust and I wanted to see if he
A. Realized that and
B. Was just blowing smoke.
24mph (11 meters per hour for you better measurement having country dwellers)
Im not gonna say how bad you messed that quote up, tom. But ya done goofed.
Vezok feels town in his replies and question of shadow.
I am getting a slight scumread from dan and tom with shadow a far third. His reply to vezok doesnt really scream toen and vezoks question was, imo, good.
Eco feels pretty town and bur hasnt posted enough so.. null.
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I hate spiral staircases. I think that whoever puts something like that in their building for aesthetic reasons is a deranged maniac and shouldn't be allowed to have kids. I kinda understand why medieval towers had them, but I still hate them with a passion.
I'd rather look at mold growing than looking at live spiral staircase.
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Fun fact, spiral staircases in castles tend to rotate anti-clockwise (down to the left) because most people are right handed, which meant the defenders at the top would have an easier time swinging their swords at the attacker coming from below.
But yes, I did mean about the game. Since you do not have any opinions at all (not even about Rodemy!) then can you try and find some. Ask a question perhaps! Or if you don't want to do that, what sort of thing are you looking/waiting for (and not just "something scummy")?
Is everyone enjoying your private chat(s)? Are people actually talking in them?
Oh crumbs I've been rumbled.
I see no upside to maintaining the chats secrecy. Worst case, we gain nothing. Best (and what seems to be the most likely case to me) case, scum flips townclear their neighbor.
I feel like the scum are passing up on a huge asset if they chose their partner for the chat. Why give up the ability to try and manipulate or build credit with a townsperson? Especially in such a small game, if either mafioso was successful in such an endeavor, they'd have an incredibly strong position in the game.
What's more interesting to me, and I don't think anyone has gone into detail on, is WHY they chose their neighbor. You say it's NAI, but I think that knowing the mindset of why such an important decision was made, given that the decision was made AFTER receiving their role PM, could absolutely shed light into their alignment.
Scum will probably lie, sure, but I think this could be another method of increasing the likelihood of a slot being town-aligned.
Nobody appears to be acting out of the ordinary yet. In particular, Rodemy and tom appear to be being Rodemy (wrong, but Rodemy) and tom (right, but tom).
What am I right about?
Probably whatever i am wrong about.
Why did you choose to address vezok here?
I find Vezok suspicious due to his neutral and non-commital posts, and would like to understand more about how he views the game.
I don't really have a way of generating reada, I just wait for something to catch my eye.
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You trying to get a read on your neighbor(s)?
I was gonna ask if anyone thinks theu picked a scum as a neighbor
I anyone was picked as a neighbor. Say aye.
Scratch that. That idea will get us nowhere. Goodnight.
I think the semantics bit you caught onto, even if it's low-percentage, demonstrates higher-level scumhunting than what a mafioso would need to be doing this early in the game. Starting the conversation as you did, while helpful, seems like the pretty clear line given the setup.
My usual scumhunting method is to just eliminate town players until only a small pool of slots exist that can still feasibly be scum in my worldview. I have come to realize that this may be a much more dangerous method in a micro-sized game like this one, which I've never played through the forum medium before. I guess we'll see if I need to adjust.
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What happened between those 20 mins between you voting tom and then unvoting?
Want to share with the rest of us what you were thinking?
I feel like i've played this game long enough to warrent a little credit.
Yes, my methods are odd, but i have a tendency to get at least one scum a game.
I feel like dans response was sub par at best.
Tom hasn't done any analysis. And my interaction with tom is nai at best.
I wasn't intentionally trying to push town on a bad direction, i was figuring out pro's and cons of a suggested tactic.
Tom threw out that wine pouring gif without explaining what exactly was the wine. When i confronted him, he dodged the question.
I feel like i was doing a decent job weighing the pros and cons of the idea (even if i did have the wrong game setup in mind) So this mindset of:
Rodemy is wrong because "Rodemy" needs to stop before scum take advantage of that.
I will slow down this game.
I will try my best to read everything carefully.
Please don't discredit me.
I'm uncertain if this was aimed at me or not, but if my previous post came out wrong, I apologize.
I'm seriously curious what was that you were thinking before you took back your question "please claim if anyone targeted you".
Even if you don't want to do that, I still want to know what was the exact plan behind it and why you wanted to do it at that point.
Do you think you would feel reasonably good about discerning alignment within a private chat? More specifically, do you think you would have a better insight to my alignment had we chatted?
No idea. Any suggestions?
@Rodemy, I didn't mean to be discrediting you either. I thought the phrase "Not that Rodemy came out... looking worse" made that clear, but for posterity's sake. How do you feel my response was subpar? Do you disagree about my opinion of his posts on 43/44 and general skepticism he's displayed so far?
I was thinking hard about that gif tom posted. Like, i just assumed it was towards me. It could have been a reaction to me saying wifom.
Just, thoughts spiraled in my head and i ultimatley decided to unvote and not charge full speed ahead. I want to slow down and actually do well this game.
I was thinking accountability with my idea. When being lynched, if you claim you were picked you could claim who picked you.
Everyone that got PICKED as a neighbor claims. With the idea that scum picked a townie as their partner, and going off the fact some people didn't get picked, i was thinking we could at least narrow the pool a bit without claiming.
But then i realized how much of a logic loop it causes and was like, nope. That hurts my brain.
How high would you rate the strength of your reads so far?
My style of play definitely lends itself towards slower development of reads unless someone has what I consider to be a blatant scum/townslip.
I picked a person I like talking with and who is not likely to make my eyes bleed.
In the end, it came down to you and [the person I picked] and ended up picking the other since [reasons] and I kinda doubted that I'd be able to discern your alignment via neighbour chat.
Literally everyone finds it difficult to generate reads early on D1 with little to go on, so that's not much of an excuse for doing nothing. Has there been anything that caught your eye but you decided wasn't a scum tell? Have you seen any town indicators? What sort of things are you most on the look out for at this stage of the game?
I am tremendously sceptical of these reads. Could you please go into more detail about:
I respect that these are "gun to the head" reads, but I am having real trouble believing that these reads are genuine.
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What kind of question is this? Why did you ask it? (1)
Firstly, it's just plain bad. You know as well as everyone that you answer this question in a satisfying way. You can't know when to adjust your play, if you don't even know if you have to adjust your playstyle.
Secondly, how would this question even help with scumhunting? What answers where you expecting from scum dan that were different from a town dan response?(2)
I numbered the important question. Please answer them.
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I'm slightly scumreading Rodemy for his "nervous" comment, but Rodemy is such a wild card that I didn't feel the need to share with the class.
I really don't understand why you are pressuring me to generate reads when there were 50 posts in the entire game. It's simply not enough to generate reads. Say that every person has a scumrating from 0 to 100 with 100 being confirmed scum. Everyone starts at 50. I could say that tom's gif choice decreased his score to 49 or that Rodemy's content increased his to 52, but it doesn't contribute anything to the thread and the scores could change just because I woke up on the wrong side of the bed.
You've seen me play before. You know I'm not going to fence-sit all game. What exactly where you trying to accomplish with this line of questioning?
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And you do a fine job of that on your own
@vezok that shadow question looks to be a direct response to what Dan said...
I am attempting to generate content. We only have a week (ish) and we're not exactly moving at a quick pace here. Pressuring people for reads and the explanations behind them even this early in the game is a hell of a lot more valuable than sitting around saying "I guess I'll just wait for someone to scumslip".
A. Realized that and
B. Was just blowing smoke.
You cheeky duck.
That being said, dan said he liked your nonchalant analysis, tho we've established there hasn't been any this game. Thoughts?
Where have i heard this reply before...
Do people normally ask suspicious questions to test peoples knowledge? Or is that a cop out reason for asking?
What is the unladen speed of an African swallow?
Why?
Just don't like it
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Im not gonna say how bad you messed that quote up, tom. But ya done goofed.
Vezok feels town in his replies and question of shadow.
I am getting a slight scumread from dan and tom with shadow a far third. His reply to vezok doesnt really scream toen and vezoks question was, imo, good.
Eco feels pretty town and bur hasnt posted enough so.. null.
Why are you defensive when i call you out?
Don't really think I'm defensive and don't really think you've called me out for anything though