Catching scum by looking for people awarding town points is a silly method.
Town points for Sentenza, town points for Vaimes, town points for KJ!
Also DBS rodemys catch doesn't look for differences between scum and masons though... He literally follows it up saying he thinks it would look similarly if they shared either.
And I may be joking, and I'm definitely derping, but I'm also deadly serious.
It's not the vote. It's the "who are you?" If you had mason orrr scum chat, i feel like that would be discussed there.
good catch
Like you even acknowledged that here in your post. So I'm not sure how you get from there to town reading him because he was looking for differences between the two.
Also Sentenza hasn't played before. She's said that twice now. She's read games from all over the web though. So asking questions about her playstyle won't lead too far.
I honestly don't know what an emperor variant is. Can you explain?
Looking at it, i mean maybe my paranoia is high,
And if you didn't fake claim, then i gotta re read. Expect a full re read tonight
Your paranoia is definitely high. Just gard to tell if you're faking it or not.
Emperor is a mafia variant for 5 where the 3 guards know the emperor's identity but not each other. The emperor doesn't know anything and neither does the scum who has 1 shot to kill the emperor. Otherwise it's mostly normal. Tom hosted a few of them back about 2 years ago iirc from my lurking days.
Apologies for the delay.
I thought Vaimes/Killjoy was T/T, but now I'm more inclined to see KJ's point of view. Killjoy is definitely tunnelled, but I can see the reasoning behind it. Vaimes' early posts seem like a fishing trip, and his interactions with KJ are reactionary and defensive. I believe it was Rumanishi who made the point about <shrugs>, I agree with that as well. I can't help but read them in a negative/confrontational context.
I'm getting town vibes from Rod and Grape. Rod seems like he's trying to make sense of people, same goes with Grape. Coupling that with Grape's carefree attitude makes me think he's town or possesses the biggest set of mafia balls I've ever heard of.
Setenza is hard to place right now. They seem to be pushing some, but it also seems like they're just making noise. I could just be reading to much into certain comments, but there's a smugness there that's a little offputting and makes me lean scum without actually being scummy, if that makes sense.
Rumanishi is another hard one to tack down. What they're saying seems ok, but more of it would help. Jokey and carefree is usually <T, but without content is a good way to hide scum.
@Vezok
What do you think about Rod's statement regarding working on players who are posting as opposed to worrying about lurkers? I see the points to both sides, but as someone that has trouble formulating and expressing opinions in the early game I'm biased towards Rod's point of view.
Everyone I didn't mention specifically hasn't made enough of an impression for me to make a stand on.
I honestly don't know what an emperor variant is. Can you explain?
Looking at it, i mean maybe my paranoia is high,
And if you didn't fake claim, then i gotta re read. Expect a full re read tonight
Your paranoia is definitely high. Just gard to tell if you're faking it or not.
Emperor is a mafia variant for 5 where the 3 guards know the emperor's identity but not each other. The emperor doesn't know anything and neither does the scum who has 1 shot to kill the emperor. Otherwise it's mostly normal. Tom hosted a few of them back about 2 years ago iirc from my lurking days.
Oh yeah. I played that. Whay died thay have to do with this?
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I did in the quote mess up in 174.
Because the game just started. Tubba JUST got here. Id say focus on the people actually posting for now and worry about the lurkers later. It's not like they will get away with it forever.
Dan could be busy, or just not have time right now. At tge start of the game, that is nai.
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Hey everyone, sorry I haven't posted yet but I literally did not get a single notification of game starting
I thought mentions worked or something smh
anyway, presence of masons is going to make scum hunting a wee bit harder because you'll see the masons softing each others' partners by saying "nah I think they're town here", which is exactly what wolves like to do when someone looks like an easy wagon, so that later they can point at the lynch and say "I knew they were town!!!11!!11"
I didn't understand the suspicion of dota day 1, because I can sometimes act similarly. I think that ship has already sailed though.
I'm suspicious in no specific order of vaimes, vezok, horse avatar, and grapefruit. Again, having masons in the game makes it a little bit harder, but vaimes and vezok are sort of acting like they're on a higher plane of information, so I'm worried about that.
The horse avatar made a single post that really freaked me out, the one about "you're willing to die on this hill, and you probably will." That just looks super aggro and I think it's wolfy.
grapefruit is more of a gutread atm but I'm getting hints of agenda hidden in their posts that I could be imagining. They also said scumhunting by finding the town players is silly. It's not, and it's one of the best forms of scumhunting.
That just about does it for these past four pages, I may go back and look at one of these four to vote for one of them
once again, I'm sorry, I didn't notice the mason claim
I mean, having 2 masons claim is probably worse than having all three claim so if grape and killjoy are masons we can prove it by having their third partner claim. Either way neither of those two are voting candidates today.
Since I like rodemy right now I'll Vote: Vaimes. Rodemy is suspicious of vezok in a way that feels super-towny uncertain.
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actually the suggestion to “prove” the Mason claims by asking for a third one is so bad I don’t really know how to take it
eh
the final mason will have to claim sooner rather than later because if we go into lylo with an unclaimed mason the wolf can counterclaim at that point
It's cleaner to have third claim imo
Oh, Sentenza, some self-meta: I'm not much of a do-er. I read stuff, I share thoughts, I vote, and that's about it. My playstyle usually puts me under heavy scrutiny from non-familiar players for the first bit of D1, but I'm usually unlynchably towny by D2 at the latest.
Oh, Sentenza, some self-meta: I'm not much of a do-er. I read stuff, I share thoughts, I vote, and that's about it. My playstyle usually puts me under heavy scrutiny from non-familiar players for the first bit of D1, but I'm usually unlynchably towny by D2 at the latest.
Just a heads up, I'll be back tomorrow night/over the weekend. Worked a 13 hour shift yesterday and had a terrible day at work today so I'm just gonna veg with a movie then sleep.
Maybe I'm a little bit lost, because we have a claim that grapefruit and killjoy are both masons with an undisclosed third partner that has gone uncountered and uh
people are still suspicious of them?
Like c'mon if you think they're not the real masons then we need the actual mason team to claim
She gave Rod a meaningless “how do you do fellow kids” pat on the back for his Captain Obvious observation.
Captain obvious observation? Not really actually. It was my stupid dumb twisty digs too deep into rvs kinda observation. I doubt it was obvious until i pointed it out as confirmed by DBS. Which leads me to belive it was intentional. It also leads me to belive you agree that he is intentionally distancing himself from sentz, since you said it was obvious.
KJ and Grape are the masons, which means one left which also means they aren't masons (which DoTa was kinda hinting at but not really?)
So why, if it is so obvious, would dota be itentionally seperating himself from Sentz?
Honestly at this point i think it's vaimes Sent and Dota. Good game ya'll.
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I called your point obvious because 1) you basically said “DoTA is either town or scum,” and 2) you implied DoTA was specifically either VT or lying, which now that I think of it is another way of saying “DoTA is either town or scum.” And despite this, you made it out to be something suspicious.
I called your point obvious because 1) you basically said “DoTA is either town or scum,” and 2) you implied DoTA was specifically either VT or lying, which now that I think of it is another way of saying “DoTA is either town or scum.” And despite this, you made it out to be something suspicious.
DoTa establishing he and sentenza aren't connected very early on. I'll keep note of that.
I mean, am I wrong? That seems super intentional right? He was even defensive about the vote. WHEN ALL I SAID WAS THEY WEREN'T ALIGNED. but he continued to be all defensive.
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It's probably your fault. You're the one who said "I'll be keeping not of this" or whatever, which 99% of the time conveys suspicion. I've never seen anyone actively point out they're making a note of something they /weren't/ suspicious of.
It's probably your fault. You're the one who said "I'll be keeping not of this" or whatever, which 99% of the time conveys suspicion. I've never seen anyone actively point out they're making a note of something they /weren't/ suspicious of.
SUPER GRUMP
YEAH BUT.
Ugh.
I hate this game. lemme go sleep and come back.. eventually
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He just didn't seem to cool about it. He went on the defense and like, i feel like that was EXACTLY what he was intending. Who asks: who are you? and then later is like: oh i meant blah blah blah.
Even sentz was put off by the question. Ive seen in games if someone wants to know what someones history is, THEY ASK THEM. Yeah, he did eventually, but the way he went about it was very weird.
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@Vaimes Grapefruit claimed they along with killjoy were masons. They haven't (afaik) rescinded that claim and no other masons have counterclaimed, so they must be masons. If they aren't masons, they're wolf partners. Unless you're suggesting that a vanilla town makes the ballsy play of actually claiming mason to save someone they don't know is actually human or not. If, even after all this, you insist on voting Killjoy, I'll scum read you for it.
@Vaimes Grapefruit claimed they along with killjoy were masons. They haven't (afaik) rescinded that claim and no other masons have counterclaimed, so they must be masons. If they aren't masons, they're wolf partners. Unless you're suggesting that a vanilla town makes the ballsy play of actually claiming mason to save someone they don't know is actually human or not. If, even after all this, you insist on voting Killjoy, I'll scum read you for it.
Are you gonna vote him for it tho?
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grapefruit is more of a gutread atm but I'm getting hints of agenda hidden in their posts that I could be imagining. They also said scumhunting by finding the town players is silly. It's not, and it's one of the best forms of scumhunting.
That just about does it for these past four pages, I may go back and look at one of these four to vote for one of them
Point to me saying this. I'm a huge town block advocate. In fact I usually garner a scum read or two for not scum hunting enough because I do that.
@Rod I'm not going to spell it out for you, but basically I think this game is very similar to an emperor game.
@Mikey shhhhh you're being too quick to spill the beans that I'm legitimately a mason. My breezy tone is supposed to be a cover. Don't out yourself as our real third buddy.
@Vaimes Grapefruit claimed they along with killjoy were masons. They haven't (afaik) rescinded that claim and no other masons have counterclaimed, so they must be masons. If they aren't masons, they're wolf partners. Unless you're suggesting that a vanilla town makes the ballsy play of actually claiming mason to save someone they don't know is actually human or not. If, even after all this, you insist on voting Killjoy, I'll scum read you for it.
Town lie all the time, for better or worse. Usually it's bad, but sometimes it's not. Town should absolutely lie when Masons are involved.
You're better off completely ignoring the claims, and scumreading me for having a vote on Killjoy because he claimed Mason on D1 without being run up is ridiculous.
Did KJ present a good motive though? I'd argue he presented a very weak one. Have you played emperor variants before? Also I'm not fake claiming.
Town points for Sentenza, town points for Vaimes, town points for KJ!
Also DBS rodemys catch doesn't look for differences between scum and masons though... He literally follows it up saying he thinks it would look similarly if they shared either.
And I may be joking, and I'm definitely derping, but I'm also deadly serious.
Like you even acknowledged that here in your post. So I'm not sure how you get from there to town reading him because he was looking for differences between the two.
Also Sentenza hasn't played before. She's said that twice now. She's read games from all over the web though. So asking questions about her playstyle won't lead too far.
Looking at it, i mean maybe my paranoia is high,
And if you didn't fake claim, then i gotta re read. Expect a full re read tonight
Your paranoia is definitely high. Just gard to tell if you're faking it or not.
Emperor is a mafia variant for 5 where the 3 guards know the emperor's identity but not each other. The emperor doesn't know anything and neither does the scum who has 1 shot to kill the emperor. Otherwise it's mostly normal. Tom hosted a few of them back about 2 years ago iirc from my lurking days.
I thought Vaimes/Killjoy was T/T, but now I'm more inclined to see KJ's point of view. Killjoy is definitely tunnelled, but I can see the reasoning behind it. Vaimes' early posts seem like a fishing trip, and his interactions with KJ are reactionary and defensive. I believe it was Rumanishi who made the point about <shrugs>, I agree with that as well. I can't help but read them in a negative/confrontational context.
I'm getting town vibes from Rod and Grape. Rod seems like he's trying to make sense of people, same goes with Grape. Coupling that with Grape's carefree attitude makes me think he's town or possesses the biggest set of mafia balls I've ever heard of.
Setenza is hard to place right now. They seem to be pushing some, but it also seems like they're just making noise. I could just be reading to much into certain comments, but there's a smugness there that's a little offputting and makes me lean scum without actually being scummy, if that makes sense.
Rumanishi is another hard one to tack down. What they're saying seems ok, but more of it would help. Jokey and carefree is usually <T, but without content is a good way to hide scum.
@Vezok
What do you think about Rod's statement regarding working on players who are posting as opposed to worrying about lurkers? I see the points to both sides, but as someone that has trouble formulating and expressing opinions in the early game I'm biased towards Rod's point of view.
Everyone I didn't mention specifically hasn't made enough of an impression for me to make a stand on.
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Oh yeah. I played that. Whay died thay have to do with this?
I did in the quote mess up in 174.
Because the game just started. Tubba JUST got here. Id say focus on the people actually posting for now and worry about the lurkers later. It's not like they will get away with it forever.
Dan could be busy, or just not have time right now. At tge start of the game, that is nai.
I thought mentions worked or something smh
anyway, presence of masons is going to make scum hunting a wee bit harder because you'll see the masons softing each others' partners by saying "nah I think they're town here", which is exactly what wolves like to do when someone looks like an easy wagon, so that later they can point at the lynch and say "I knew they were town!!!11!!11"
I didn't understand the suspicion of dota day 1, because I can sometimes act similarly. I think that ship has already sailed though.
I'm suspicious in no specific order of vaimes, vezok, horse avatar, and grapefruit. Again, having masons in the game makes it a little bit harder, but vaimes and vezok are sort of acting like they're on a higher plane of information, so I'm worried about that.
The horse avatar made a single post that really freaked me out, the one about "you're willing to die on this hill, and you probably will." That just looks super aggro and I think it's wolfy.
grapefruit is more of a gutread atm but I'm getting hints of agenda hidden in their posts that I could be imagining. They also said scumhunting by finding the town players is silly. It's not, and it's one of the best forms of scumhunting.
That just about does it for these past four pages, I may go back and look at one of these four to vote for one of them
I mean, having 2 masons claim is probably worse than having all three claim so if grape and killjoy are masons we can prove it by having their third partner claim. Either way neither of those two are voting candidates today.
Since I like rodemy right now I'll Vote: Vaimes. Rodemy is suspicious of vezok in a way that feels super-towny uncertain.
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It's cleaner to have third claim imo
Besides, by that point interactions should give away who’s lying.
What did you mean by this?
my scumhunting ranges from lol to meh, with the occasional !!!
Also, we should lynch Grape.
It seems people have already realized dota isn't actually that scummy. If they did I'd probably defend him a bit harder
@Dota but grape is a mason
I'm on the verge of townreading you for raisins, but I think I want other people to evaluate how genuine they think you're being.
I want ganderin to post some substance, but it seems he has RL stuff to deal with so I can't hound him for that.
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people are still suspicious of them?
Like c'mon if you think they're not the real masons then we need the actual mason team to claim
Have you played with Masons before?
First post that struck me as odd. Obvious public display of unalignment. NAI.
This vote is serious. As confirmed by this post
Back to DOTA. He "Rephrases" Which is super odd. What did you excpect Sentenza to reply there anyway if you had to rephrase your question?
Captain obvious observation? Not really actually. It was my stupid dumb twisty digs too deep into rvs kinda observation. I doubt it was obvious until i pointed it out as confirmed by DBS. Which leads me to belive it was intentional. It also leads me to belive you agree that he is intentionally distancing himself from sentz, since you said it was obvious.
KJ and Grape are the masons, which means one left which also means they aren't masons (which DoTa was kinda hinting at but not really?)
So why, if it is so obvious, would dota be itentionally seperating himself from Sentz?
Honestly at this point i think it's vaimes Sent and Dota. Good game ya'll.
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My child.
I called your point obvious because 1) you basically said “DoTA is either town or scum,” and 2) you implied DoTA was specifically either VT or lying, which now that I think of it is another way of saying “DoTA is either town or scum.” And despite this, you made it out to be something suspicious.
No i basically said Dota looked like he was intentionally distancing himself from Sentz. But i can see where i am dumb.
I guess.. i just.. should calm down.
and maybe not try this whilst drunk.
Idk, it felt super intentional.
I can't move past it i'm sorry.
I mean, am I wrong? That seems super intentional right? He was even defensive about the vote. WHEN ALL I SAID WAS THEY WEREN'T ALIGNED. but he continued to be all defensive.
It's probably your fault. You're the one who said "I'll be keeping not of this" or whatever, which 99% of the time conveys suspicion. I've never seen anyone actively point out they're making a note of something they /weren't/ suspicious of.
SUPER GRUMP
YEAH BUT.
Ugh.
I hate this game. lemme go sleep and come back.. eventually
Even sentz was put off by the question. Ive seen in games if someone wants to know what someones history is, THEY ASK THEM. Yeah, he did eventually, but the way he went about it was very weird.
I mean, “Oh I meant xyz” is a valid response to someone making squinty eyes at your post.
But DoTa is bait-y and Sentenza has been active and towny enough that I’m gonna keep letting them do their thing.
Bait-y?
anyway. Now i step away. I can't right now. I lost a friend this weekend and i guess i can't focus at. all.
Trying to do this with an extreme focus disorder is hard.
god i can't wait til next month.
Anyway, i should be better later. g'night.
See you later.
at all
anyhoo
@Vaimes Grapefruit claimed they along with killjoy were masons. They haven't (afaik) rescinded that claim and no other masons have counterclaimed, so they must be masons. If they aren't masons, they're wolf partners. Unless you're suggesting that a vanilla town makes the ballsy play of actually claiming mason to save someone they don't know is actually human or not. If, even after all this, you insist on voting Killjoy, I'll scum read you for it.
Are you gonna vote him for it tho?
Point to me saying this. I'm a huge town block advocate. In fact I usually garner a scum read or two for not scum hunting enough because I do that.
@Vaimes Nah.
@Mikey shhhhh you're being too quick to spill the beans that I'm legitimately a mason. My breezy tone is supposed to be a cover. Don't out yourself as our real third buddy.
Ignore the Masons. Play the game.
Town lie all the time, for better or worse. Usually it's bad, but sometimes it's not. Town should absolutely lie when Masons are involved.
You're better off completely ignoring the claims, and scumreading me for having a vote on Killjoy because he claimed Mason on D1 without being run up is ridiculous.