@wisp I can't comment on that because the game I've witnessed your style in is currently ongoing. Mostly just that you are confrontational and in-your-face at unpredictable and often unnecessary times.
@Tom ima let you finish but...did you srsly just ask me why I think Tomsloger is trolling, after getting someone to L-1 in the first ten posts of the game
Actually that makes perfect sense, consider my comment withdrawn said nobody commenting on Tomsloger trolling, ever
Day 1s arent my thing, this game is mostly mechanics, and ive been good at solving these during Osie's Live Mafia session, and coincidentally also winning as scum.
1. Role claims a lone are nai, the only thing we can do, is look for contradictions,
2. Mafia know all unused roles, and if they are of the 5 double roles, they will just claim the town version, and
3. Mafia can also be inside the 3 bottom roles
4. Mafia cant night kill and use their ability on the same night, until their is one left
5. It actually might be better play, to look at people who are trying to push them selves away from certain people, and vice versa, cause from the games ive
played, it was always better to find mafia as a whole...
Wuffles
I wouldn't say im confrontational, it justs I have a habit of attacking scum reads with aggression because I dont know any other ways to do it...
also did you mean to ping Tom in third person for that question?
tom is always trolling tbh, but also seems to like saying his trolling is seriousness when it fits an agenda... he did that a lot in Zero Escape
especially when someone has the nerve to tell me im scared..., and maybe I was, because one, I dont like dying, im a game solver, and sometimes cant get myself out of situations, but it has nothing to do with my alignment
Kami
and to clarify, theres nothing wrong with asking questions to move the game forward, but ur earlier questions are just extremely broad, and we already know there are two scum, so again I dont understand what kind of answers u expect
I don't expect anything. Questions give an opportunity to find interesting things. Most questions will not be answered with anything interesting. But sometimes, I will see something interesting.
I think you're not reviewing your posts before posting them. In the generic case that's a town indicator.
Kami
and to clarify, theres nothing wrong with asking questions to move the game forward, but ur earlier questions are just extremely broad, and we already know there are two scum, so again I dont understand what kind of answers u expect
I don't expect anything. Questions give an opportunity to find interesting things. Most questions will not be answered with anything interesting. But sometimes, I will see something interesting.
I think you're not reviewing your posts before posting them. In the generic case that's a town indicator.
actually me posting without consequence is more nai than anything... And exactly what post are u referring to
@wisp I can't provide more direct examples, as they're from an ongoing game. Yes, I was talking in the third person about Tom, because my experience of Tom is that he trolls deliberately in order to render himself unreadable.
ok we cant bring up specifics of that game, so lets talk about this game and general thoughts:
1. if you poke Tom the right way, you can get some nice reactions
2. Do you think there was ill intention in killjoys vote on me, and his comment afterwards
3. Honestly think Tom is townier for his second vote on my train...
4. I also liked Vez's reaction to my post, I poked at him, and he reacted by omgusing me, its almost so scummish, that its actually townish
So if we are to assume, that one scum was on my train, the most likely is KJ, from my PoE...
also realized I cant spend this game being afraid of getting lynched, because I will accomplish nothing
So gun to my head, scum team is Wuffles/Killjoy, and in the case I get lynched, or die, remember this post...
also disagree with Rum in a way, because I do believe its possible to analyze RVS votes for info
Do even know if this post is scummy but meh... when has that ever stopped me
Killjoy b/c first post, and his unvote, and text that came with it
Wuffles, because of his early shade
Not much but its somewhere to start....
wish I was playing this in a live mafia setting tbh, Im better at reading vocal tones rather than written posts
also I think it was wuffles that said maybe they are afraid to move their votes off me...
1. Tom is not afraid to move his vote for any reason
2. Vezok did remove his vote (kinda), then came back
3. Killjoy also removed his vote (theoretically, still wants us to believe his vote is still on me, which is bad imo)
@Lastwhisper: You're going to have to help me here a bit. In regards to Tom, you're saying that if you work in a way around his style, you can get him to give some indicative posts? Relating to RVS, the only one I can see an actual thought process as to why it could be town or scum is Vezok. The others seem kind of arbitrary, so I'd like you to clarify on those, okay? Also, I didn't say you couldn't analyse RVS votes. What I said was that reads based on them are flawed. This goes down into the 'not enough information' category. It's a useful tool, but it shouldn't be used to make final judgement's.
@Wuffles: Can you explain "Actually that makes perfect sense, consider my comment withdrawn said nobody commenting on Tomsloger trolling, ever" . I'm a little confused by this.
@killjoy: "...You know me. Why not RVS me?
I think you actually might be scum. lol. However.
Unvote while discussion happens. I don't want the day suddenly ended in the middle of a thought or something stupid. Consider my vote still on last."
We have more content from last now, so I'd be interested to here if your vote is still 'technically on' him?
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@Riki Fair enough, it's more a combination of their first posts and latter posts, and I'm saying that Tom does sometimes break his neutral persona, if u poke at him enough...
I don't think Last understands what I was doing. I removed my vote and stated for others to consider my vote still on him. This was so there was not three votes on him where a person could come in vote last and it would be a hammer. That was the point: I was scumreading you but didn't want the discussion to be stifled by a hammer vote from nowhere.
That said, last's response is one of confusion more than panic. I kind of like it and am kinda townreading him for it.
@Kami: have your questions led anywhere yet? What conclusions have you drawn?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@wisp I can't provide more direct examples, as they're from an ongoing game. Yes, I was talking in the third person about Tom, because my experience of Tom is that he trolls deliberately in order to render himself unreadable.
no, that's not quite right
I do nothing to make myself unreadable.
I'm just naturally inscrutable, partially because I don't actually care about winning (like, winning is fun. But it's not the only way), partially because i view mafia as more performance art than anything else so I'm playing a part regardless
If you're curious, I played full transparency on DLP once. It was awful.
And yes, I actually believed last to be scum. Still do. Still not explaining.
Tldr the way i choose to play is based on whims and what I will enjoy in the moment and frankly a lot of selfishness. It has a consequence that few have figured out how to read me (notably, not Newcomb despite Herculean effort) but that's not why I do it
in a micro where scum actually have a decent advantage over the uninformed, you think two people are bussing for literally no reason, if u wanna scum read killjoy go ahead, but dont make up this bs that we are aligned...
natural tom is always scum, for me its more like, wisp is naturally scummy, but is very rarely actually scum, cant say much against his choice to not explain, because I barely do that myself
@wisp I can't provide more direct examples, as they're from an ongoing game. Yes, I was talking in the third person about Tom, because my experience of Tom is that he trolls deliberately in order to render himself unreadable.
no, that's not quite right
I do nothing to make myself unreadable.
I'm just naturally inscrutable, partially because I don't actually care about winning (like, winning is fun. But it's not the only way), partially because i view mafia as more performance art than anything else so I'm playing a part regardless
If you're curious, I played full transparency on DLP once. It was awful.
And yes, I actually believed last to be scum. Still do. Still not explaining.
And no that's not AI for me at all.
okay, I'll drop it, but playing:
- Without caring about winning
- Not explaining potentially game-changing reads why you defined last as scum within two posts
- Posting selfishly
...are all things I would define as trolling. I'd also provide specific examples of this behavior but I can't because game still going *mutter mutter*
Last I admit your last posts have really shown a keenness to calm down and scumhunt, which you get +townie points for.
@Vezok why LW/KJ scumteam? The only thing I could see when I checked was KJ's distancing from the last wagon, which frankly I support because it is ALWAYS better to take one's time when deciding on a lynch. HyperMegaGiga quick lynches are pretty much never good for us. This way KJ supports the pressure without some rando coming in and "accidentally" dropping the lynch vote. I don't get your reasoning here, can you please explain?
@Rumanshi I just kind of assumed that Tom's reputation precedes him, hence the "said nobody ever" comment.
Wuffles
couldnt have said it better myself, ur points against Tom I mean, honestly, if you arent playing to win, ur playing to lose...
again tho, lets try to stick to this game, and games we can talk about
I can be calm when I want to be, and my anger is always NAI, no matter how you decide to look at it...
Tom
choose to be selfish, but if your not gunna man up to your reads being wrong, then I have nothing else but to believe you are scum, a micro with 2 scum to 5 town, isnt the game to be throwing around your votes around without explaining them
When I flip town, what then? you realize how dangerous this game is, and u you know what, sometimes I dont care if I die, but will still try my hardest to solve the game...
and I disagree with you, Wuffles, the way KJ is distancing his vote from his read is scummy, if you think someone is scum, your vote should stay there, if he needs more time, then he isnt sure that I'm scum, but the way hes going about it seems so manipulative, and ive seen how scum!killjoy plays when he has an agenda...
I don't play against my wincon, im just saying that losing doesn't matter to me. Enjoying myself is much more important. That, specifically, gives a lot of people trying to read me trouble.
@last
If you are town wuffles is very probably scum for the way he's handled what would then be my incorrect read. He's positioned himself to be just... commenting on it and like, trying to appease both of us (and assuming I'm just trolling like that is probably scummy regardless of your alignment but there's margin of error there for what seems to be just his general opinion of me which I'm not quite sure he has the experience to even have)
I don't play against my wincon, im just saying that losing doesn't matter to me. Enjoying myself is much more important. That, specifically, gives a lot of people trying to read me trouble.
@last
If you are town wuffles is very probably scum for the way he's handled what would then be my incorrect read. He's positioned himself to be just... commenting on it and like, trying to appease both of us (and assuming I'm just trolling like that is probably scummy regardless of your alignment but there's margin of error there for what seems to be just his general opinion of me which I'm not quite sure he has the experience to even have)
ok understandable...
and "if you are wrong", you are wrong...
That's pretty audacious, Tom. You literally with your first and second posts confirmed you were serious about speedlynching someone that you have (at best) a 2 in 7 chance of being right about because there is no way you have a good enough reason to lynch after that little of an interaction. Even if you're right and last flips scum that still doesn't make your speedlynch attempt less bad. I was going with "trolling" because I wouldn't put it past you to be doing this solely for reactions - if you were anyone else I'd have voted you immediately, because you're insane if you think that Last was a good lynch from that position.
But let's put that aside for now (and preferably stop commenting about whether I know you well enough, because I can't reference ongoing games and therefore can't defend myself with the 120+ pages in that game I've watched you in for). Let's talk about how you just tried to set me up as "scum" after last flips town (which at this point I'm fairly certain he would, considering his +town recovery) which would end the game.
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Wuffles
You do realize I also set u and Killjoy up for scum as well, you know when I flip town?
and there def wasnt intention in a speedy lynch from tom in his early posts, his point was to see how I reacted, he didnt like the answer i gave so he stuck with his vote. If you think someone is scum, would you not keep your vote their? A mini isnt the game too have second thoughts, and there are many things to learn even from a mislynch, probably more then in a larger game, because there will be scum on whoevers train gets lynched, maybe not if that train is scum flipped, but who knows... this just seems like an omgus vote, why are you worried about Tom's opinion on day 2 already... you keep talking about not trying to bring up ongoing games, just stop its worse, when you've already said that in like 3 or 4 posts...
both you and Vez I swear, you arent helping anything when you react like this... also I dont need you to tell me that I am town or acting townie, because I have never once thought about a post from a point of view of, "does this sound townie or scummy", I just do it
Tom
isnt that a quote from something? lol
and yes reading you can be a pain, I find it to be fun tho, wish I had the nerve to be as carefree as you sometimes
Wuffles
to be honest, when you answered the question, "Do you think tom, vezok and LW are all town?, with "at least one of them", something about the joking nature of your answer felt like you already knew the answer to this quesstion, and then the unneeded shade just kinda was icing on the cake.
Killjoy, may or may not be scum with you, but I do believe you are one of the scum, and I guess we will see if this changes as the game goes on, but as it is, I am ready to lynch you
honestly, the nature of Kami's question, was it kami? Asking whos town out of us 3? was just as bad, and idk maybe I expected a question more a long the lines of, "Do you think one of these 3 are scum"?, with your answer being, "Possibly one of them is scum".
@Kami: have your questions led anywhere yet? What conclusions have you drawn?
Perhaps. I have commented on one of them. We won't know if it really led anywhere until we have bodies, and confirmation or refutation of my evaluations.
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so are you going to continue asking questions?
Sure.
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Let's talk about how you just tried to set me up as "scum" after last flips town (which at this point I'm fairly certain he would, considering his +town recovery) which would end the game.
"If A is X, then B is Y" is a very common analysis. What is different about Tom's?
I'm not waiting for them, I'm saying it's hard to tell how successful my strategy was until they exist.
ok, not a bad answer, not can u tell me why u asked, Wuffles if he thought any of the 3 names u choice were town, rather then asking if he thought any of us were scum?
Kami
rewriting the above comment cause the grammar is poor even for me
"That answer in understandable, now can you tell me why you worded the question to Wuffles in the way you did, rather than asking him if he thought of us were scum?
Maybe its something small, but it seems so odd to ask a question that way as the uninformed...
Tom
don't know why I'm even bothering with this question, but why do you think Wuffles could be scum if/when I flip town... also in a way I do see what Wuffles thinking, if this comment came from anyone else... I'd probably vote them
also want a deeper opinion on kami, and what you think of his questions
Kami
still waiting on these questions
also, if a is x, and b is y, is not always true, both a and b can be x
Rum
I know that you like being poked for questions, but at the moment I'm having a hard time forming them, whats your opinion on the current game state?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
First thought was "Vezok not voting to hammer might indicate a Vezok/Wisp world", but then he revoted and seems to intend to leave it there as of #23 which would be a weird level of bussing.
Vezok/Last unaligned
Last, in 27, while saying he's not scared, fearmongers by saying "remove that vote unless you want a mislynch." It doesn't make last for sure scum but it's a step in the scum direction.
"Fluff should give you the sense that I'm not scared" reads kinda like Wisp is saying "I'm fluffposting so you don't think I'm scared".
Vezok pointed out correctly that saying three times that one isn't scared isn't convincing.
Reading the rest of their exchange, I can't tell if last is legit scumreading Vezok or not. I'll check his progression as I go.
#32 Wisp claims he only RVS's people he knows. He knows me... I want to dismiss this an a blank proclaimation and not just forgetfulness but that specifically is what I need to stop doing (deciding people are scum for tiny reasons) so instead, I'll just make a note of that and continue reading.
#36 by Wuffles, while kind of weighing in on the Vezok/Wisp conversation, he states that Vezok is latching on a percieved behavior tell that 'wasnt there until he pointed it out'. That's a thing. I'm trying to put myself inside his head here and figure out why wuffles would defend last here. Its either he's scum with him, and is trying to save him or he actually saw what he said.
I'm inclined to believe that scum!Wuffles is unlikely to chainsaw specifically in this setup.
Wuffles/Last probably unaligned
Actually, I'm not sure scum!Wuffles makes that post at all? Why not let last continue to look bad? So unless I'm wrong and the scumteam is exactly Wuffles/Last, then Wuffles is probably not scum at all.
Wuffles is probably town
Yeah, in #48 Last jumps on Wuffles immediately after Wuffles defense of last. I can't conceive of a world where a scum chainsaws his buddy then his buddy buses him for it. Unlikely.
Wuffles/Last unaligned
In 49... it's apperent that Last is def feeling some sort of pressure to stay alive. Now, why admit this? That's the question.I feel like... scum!Last just keeps denying probably. Like, does scum!Last think that admitting this will get people to unvote? It's possible, but unlikely.
Last is lean town
As of post 60, Kami hasn't really done much? He's asked some questions but hasn't really engaged with the game.
Vezok's 71, he proposes a me/last scumteam. Hm. It's not so much proposing a scumteam as asking the game to consider it without pushing.
Hm. So 79 Last passively talks about me being scum without actively engaging me.
Tom kinda does the same thing in 80 to Wuffles.
97 is only of note because I don't recall Last moving off Vez. Like I don't recall him saying he wasn't scumreading him anymore.
So.
Wuffles is probably town.
Last might be town.
Tom is tom and its too early.
Ruma hasn't done anything of note
Kami is kind of... passively engaging with people. Like he's asking questions but he's not really persuing anything.
Vezok hasn't done too much of note since RVS. Not surewhat to make of him.
Questions: Last: When did you stop scumreading Vezok?
Kami: What did you think of the Last/Vezok RVS conversation?
And what do you think of Wuffles?
Ruma: What do you think of Tom?
Also hopefully this post answers your question from earlier.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
No wuffles, I'm not trolling.
What indicates such?
Last why do you think I think you're scum?
@Tom ima let you finish but...did you srsly just ask me why I think Tomsloger is trolling, after getting someone to L-1 in the first ten posts of the game
Actually that makes perfect sense, consider my comment withdrawn said nobody commenting on Tomsloger trolling, ever
1. Role claims a lone are nai, the only thing we can do, is look for contradictions,
2. Mafia know all unused roles, and if they are of the 5 double roles, they will just claim the town version, and
3. Mafia can also be inside the 3 bottom roles
4. Mafia cant night kill and use their ability on the same night, until their is one left
5. It actually might be better play, to look at people who are trying to push them selves away from certain people, and vice versa, cause from the games ive
played, it was always better to find mafia as a whole...
Wuffles
I wouldn't say im confrontational, it justs I have a habit of attacking scum reads with aggression because I dont know any other ways to do it...
also did you mean to ping Tom in third person for that question?
tom is always trolling tbh, but also seems to like saying his trolling is seriousness when it fits an agenda... he did that a lot in Zero Escape
I think you're not reviewing your posts before posting them. In the generic case that's a town indicator.
1. if you poke Tom the right way, you can get some nice reactions
2. Do you think there was ill intention in killjoys vote on me, and his comment afterwards
3. Honestly think Tom is townier for his second vote on my train...
4. I also liked Vez's reaction to my post, I poked at him, and he reacted by omgusing me, its almost so scummish, that its actually townish
So if we are to assume, that one scum was on my train, the most likely is KJ, from my PoE...
also realized I cant spend this game being afraid of getting lynched, because I will accomplish nothing
So gun to my head, scum team is Wuffles/Killjoy, and in the case I get lynched, or die, remember this post...
also disagree with Rum in a way, because I do believe its possible to analyze RVS votes for info
Do even know if this post is scummy but meh... when has that ever stopped me
Killjoy b/c first post, and his unvote, and text that came with it
Wuffles, because of his early shade
Not much but its somewhere to start....
wish I was playing this in a live mafia setting tbh, Im better at reading vocal tones rather than written posts
Kami
so are you going to continue asking questions?
1. Tom is not afraid to move his vote for any reason
2. Vezok did remove his vote (kinda), then came back
3. Killjoy also removed his vote (theoretically, still wants us to believe his vote is still on me, which is bad imo)
@Wuffles: Can you explain "Actually that makes perfect sense, consider my comment withdrawn said nobody commenting on Tomsloger trolling, ever" . I'm a little confused by this.
@killjoy: "...You know me. Why not RVS me?
I think you actually might be scum. lol. However.
Unvote while discussion happens. I don't want the day suddenly ended in the middle of a thought or something stupid. Consider my vote still on last."
We have more content from last now, so I'd be interested to here if your vote is still 'technically on' him?
KamikazeKazin (1) - Wuffles_II
Wuffles_II (1) - Lastwhisper
Not Voting: KamikazeKazin, Killjoy, Rumanshi
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That said, last's response is one of confusion more than panic. I kind of like it and am kinda townreading him for it.
@Kami: have your questions led anywhere yet? What conclusions have you drawn?
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I do nothing to make myself unreadable.
I'm just naturally inscrutable, partially because I don't actually care about winning (like, winning is fun. But it's not the only way), partially because i view mafia as more performance art than anything else so I'm playing a part regardless
If you're curious, I played full transparency on DLP once. It was awful.
And yes, I actually believed last to be scum. Still do. Still not explaining.
And no that's not AI for me at all.
Tldr the way i choose to play is based on whims and what I will enjoy in the moment and frankly a lot of selfishness. It has a consequence that few have figured out how to read me (notably, not Newcomb despite Herculean effort) but that's not why I do it
in a micro where scum actually have a decent advantage over the uninformed, you think two people are bussing for literally no reason, if u wanna scum read killjoy go ahead, but dont make up this bs that we are aligned...
natural tom is always scum, for me its more like, wisp is naturally scummy, but is very rarely actually scum, cant say much against his choice to not explain, because I barely do that myself
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- Without caring about winning
- Not explaining potentially game-changing reads why you defined last as scum within two posts
- Posting selfishly
...are all things I would define as trolling. I'd also provide specific examples of this behavior but I can't because game still going *mutter mutter*
Last I admit your last posts have really shown a keenness to calm down and scumhunt, which you get +townie points for.
@Vezok why LW/KJ scumteam? The only thing I could see when I checked was KJ's distancing from the last wagon, which frankly I support because it is ALWAYS better to take one's time when deciding on a lynch. HyperMegaGiga quick lynches are pretty much never good for us. This way KJ supports the pressure without some rando coming in and "accidentally" dropping the lynch vote. I don't get your reasoning here, can you please explain?
@Rumanshi I just kind of assumed that Tom's reputation precedes him, hence the "said nobody ever" comment.
couldnt have said it better myself, ur points against Tom I mean, honestly, if you arent playing to win, ur playing to lose...
again tho, lets try to stick to this game, and games we can talk about
I can be calm when I want to be, and my anger is always NAI, no matter how you decide to look at it...
Tom
choose to be selfish, but if your not gunna man up to your reads being wrong, then I have nothing else but to believe you are scum, a micro with 2 scum to 5 town, isnt the game to be throwing around your votes around without explaining them
When I flip town, what then? you realize how dangerous this game is, and u you know what, sometimes I dont care if I die, but will still try my hardest to solve the game...
and I disagree with you, Wuffles, the way KJ is distancing his vote from his read is scummy, if you think someone is scum, your vote should stay there, if he needs more time, then he isnt sure that I'm scum, but the way hes going about it seems so manipulative, and ive seen how scum!killjoy plays when he has an agenda...
Possible Scum:
Tom
Killjoy
Wuffles
@last
If you are town wuffles is very probably scum for the way he's handled what would then be my incorrect read. He's positioned himself to be just... commenting on it and like, trying to appease both of us (and assuming I'm just trolling like that is probably scummy regardless of your alignment but there's margin of error there for what seems to be just his general opinion of me which I'm not quite sure he has the experience to even have)
and "if you are wrong", you are wrong...
But let's put that aside for now (and preferably stop commenting about whether I know you well enough, because I can't reference ongoing games and therefore can't defend myself with the 120+ pages in that game I've watched you in for). Let's talk about how you just tried to set me up as "scum" after last flips town (which at this point I'm fairly certain he would, considering his +town recovery) which would end the game.
Now I can comfortably Unvote, Vote Tomsloger
tomsloger (1) - Wuffles_II
Wuffles_II (1) - Lastwhisper
Not Voting: KamikazeKazin, Killjoy, Rumanshi
KamikazeKazin - 6/5, 1853 EST
Killjoy - 6/6, 1504 EST
Lastwhisper - 6/6, 2103 EST
Rumanshi - 6/6, 0354 EST
tomsloger - 6/6, 2140 EST
vezokpiraka - 6/6, 1539 EST
Wuffles_II - 6/6, 2119 EST
Check done at 6/6, 2200 EST
With 7 players alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
Day 1 Lynch Deadline is June 18th at 0900 EST
You do realize I also set u and Killjoy up for scum as well, you know when I flip town?
and there def wasnt intention in a speedy lynch from tom in his early posts, his point was to see how I reacted, he didnt like the answer i gave so he stuck with his vote. If you think someone is scum, would you not keep your vote their? A mini isnt the game too have second thoughts, and there are many things to learn even from a mislynch, probably more then in a larger game, because there will be scum on whoevers train gets lynched, maybe not if that train is scum flipped, but who knows... this just seems like an omgus vote, why are you worried about Tom's opinion on day 2 already... you keep talking about not trying to bring up ongoing games, just stop its worse, when you've already said that in like 3 or 4 posts...
both you and Vez I swear, you arent helping anything when you react like this... also I dont need you to tell me that I am town or acting townie, because I have never once thought about a post from a point of view of, "does this sound townie or scummy", I just do it
Tom
isnt that a quote from something? lol
and yes reading you can be a pain, I find it to be fun tho, wish I had the nerve to be as carefree as you sometimes
to be honest, when you answered the question, "Do you think tom, vezok and LW are all town?, with "at least one of them", something about the joking nature of your answer felt like you already knew the answer to this quesstion, and then the unneeded shade just kinda was icing on the cake.
Killjoy, may or may not be scum with you, but I do believe you are one of the scum, and I guess we will see if this changes as the game goes on, but as it is, I am ready to lynch you
Could be Kami/Wuffles?
off to bed now
I definitely could not tell you the 7 players in this game
Sure.
"If A is X, then B is Y" is a very common analysis. What is different about Tom's?
- Kami
waiting for bodies wont do in a micro...
If I was scum this game would be on lock already that's hella lynchable people
rewriting the above comment cause the grammar is poor even for me
"That answer in understandable, now can you tell me why you worded the question to Wuffles in the way you did, rather than asking him if he thought of us were scum?
Maybe its something small, but it seems so odd to ask a question that way as the uninformed...
Tom
don't know why I'm even bothering with this question, but why do you think Wuffles could be scum if/when I flip town... also in a way I do see what Wuffles thinking, if this comment came from anyone else... I'd probably vote them
also want a deeper opinion on kami, and what you think of his questions
Kami
still waiting on these questions
also, if a is x, and b is y, is not always true, both a and b can be x
Rum
I know that you like being poked for questions, but at the moment I'm having a hard time forming them, whats your opinion on the current game state?
Vez
Do you still think I am scum?
another nightly post, see yall in the mornin
more focused on Wuffles, Kami
So. Rereading now. Might even make some notes here.
Vezok/Last unaligned
Last, in 27, while saying he's not scared, fearmongers by saying "remove that vote unless you want a mislynch." It doesn't make last for sure scum but it's a step in the scum direction.
"Fluff should give you the sense that I'm not scared" reads kinda like Wisp is saying "I'm fluffposting so you don't think I'm scared".
Vezok pointed out correctly that saying three times that one isn't scared isn't convincing.
Reading the rest of their exchange, I can't tell if last is legit scumreading Vezok or not. I'll check his progression as I go.
#32 Wisp claims he only RVS's people he knows. He knows me... I want to dismiss this an a blank proclaimation and not just forgetfulness but that specifically is what I need to stop doing (deciding people are scum for tiny reasons) so instead, I'll just make a note of that and continue reading.
#36 by Wuffles, while kind of weighing in on the Vezok/Wisp conversation, he states that Vezok is latching on a percieved behavior tell that 'wasnt there until he pointed it out'. That's a thing. I'm trying to put myself inside his head here and figure out why wuffles would defend last here. Its either he's scum with him, and is trying to save him or he actually saw what he said.
I'm inclined to believe that scum!Wuffles is unlikely to chainsaw specifically in this setup.
Wuffles/Last probably unaligned
Actually, I'm not sure scum!Wuffles makes that post at all? Why not let last continue to look bad? So unless I'm wrong and the scumteam is exactly Wuffles/Last, then Wuffles is probably not scum at all.
Wuffles is probably town
Yeah, in #48 Last jumps on Wuffles immediately after Wuffles defense of last. I can't conceive of a world where a scum chainsaws his buddy then his buddy buses him for it. Unlikely.
Wuffles/Last unaligned
In 49... it's apperent that Last is def feeling some sort of pressure to stay alive. Now, why admit this? That's the question.I feel like... scum!Last just keeps denying probably. Like, does scum!Last think that admitting this will get people to unvote? It's possible, but unlikely.
Last is lean town
As of post 60, Kami hasn't really done much? He's asked some questions but hasn't really engaged with the game.
Vezok's 71, he proposes a me/last scumteam. Hm. It's not so much proposing a scumteam as asking the game to consider it without pushing.
Hm. So 79 Last passively talks about me being scum without actively engaging me.
Tom kinda does the same thing in 80 to Wuffles.
97 is only of note because I don't recall Last moving off Vez. Like I don't recall him saying he wasn't scumreading him anymore.
So.
Wuffles is probably town.
Last might be town.
Tom is tom and its too early.
Ruma hasn't done anything of note
Kami is kind of... passively engaging with people. Like he's asking questions but he's not really persuing anything.
Vezok hasn't done too much of note since RVS. Not surewhat to make of him.
Questions:
Last: When did you stop scumreading Vezok?
Kami: What did you think of the Last/Vezok RVS conversation?
And what do you think of Wuffles?
Ruma: What do you think of Tom?
Also hopefully this post answers your question from earlier.
Vezok: Reads please.