Lmao what the hell is going on in here, this is one of the weirdest day starts I've ever seen.
tom up in here talking about transitive properties and *****. Son you think this is math class?
Whatever it's hilarious how much people are talking about it. I'll bite. So if nacho flips scum then we lynch Manasi next right. But if Manasi flips town at that point then we know Tom's full of it and needs to die.
Who's with me?
Vote: Nachomaama8
side note does anyone here jam EDM cause I can guarantee I'll be linking tunes later when the game get's hyphy. Let's go
This is a post in the category of too scummy to be scum. Chaining up lynches on nothing and talking about EDM. I'm seriously town reading Kanji based on this post.
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@Shinichi: Please, please, please don't quote immense walls to add one response. Just leave the last quote in the wall and people can click on the arrow and see the next quote and so on.
I agree with 95% figure. Very rarely posts aren't alignment indicative.
The second page was a waste of time though.
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Also your retaliations to others' arguments seem a little dank if you ask me. "You're wrong but what do you think about this totally unrelated thing?" is whatever. Can you refute points in the future instead of trying to redirect people's trains of thought? LOL
I would agree with your conclusions if your premise that every post has meaning wasn't extremely obviously incorrect
Again. Not a fruitful discussion.
What you think of shin?
^ talking bout this post specifically tom. Focusing on a low hanging fruit argument by devaluing someone else's point, then calling the entire exchange worthless, followed by changing the subject to another player
I can take a stab at answering that, but you might want Tom to answer first. Be warned though his version of power wolfing is more like power chihuahuaing
Funny part to me is how tom is connecting all these people but isn't voting any of them IMO (unless I missed a vote on Nacho or Manasi)
Like if you think two peeps are buddies wouldn't you wanna take that 50/50 chance and hope one was scum so you catch two at once?
Live a little homie
Trying to figure out if you're being sarcastic or just really bad at math. And whether its scummy.
We can leave the AI discussion for later, I have a feeling that a lot of people would have interesting thoughts on it, and we aren't going to get anywhere now obviously
Lmao what the hell is going on in here, this is one of the weirdest day starts I've ever seen.
tom up in here talking about transitive properties and *****. Son you think this is math class?
First off, I like you. Breath of fresh air...
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Whatever it's hilarious how much people are talking about it. I'll bite. So if nacho flips scum then we lynch Manasi next right. But if Manasi flips town at that point then we know Tom's full of it and needs to die.
Who's with me?
Vote: Nachomaama8
...but how serious is this vote, and, if serious, how serious are you about these lynch-chains?
not sure what to think as this point, tom is literally mindlessly connecting people and you got nacho who is ok with that for reasons unknown.
Actually, I really appreciate Tom's mindset. If you think it's mindless, then take a seat because class is in session. Tom is many things, but I've never seen him to be mindless. And I can mostly follow his train of thought on this one. He's not actually calling any alignments, yet; he's just setting up dichotomies/likely associations. I've seen games solved that way.
I can take a stab at answering that, but you might want Tom to answer first. Be warned though his version of power wolfing is more like power chihuahuaing
This is awesome.
Town!DV feelings intensify.
@Kanji: Are you familiar with the term "pocket"? Also, how many games of mafia have you played?
@Vezok: Have you played with Kanji before/are you familiar with her/his mafia experience?
Did...did you just make a list of the players with the lowest post counts and predict that 1-3 scum are in that group? Wait...and you listed half the player list? And then announced suspicion on a player outside that list. I can't even....what was the point of this announcement?
Did...did you just make a list of the players with the lowest post counts and predict that 1-3 scum are in that group? Wait...and you listed half the player list? And then announced suspicion on a player outside that list. I can't even....what was the point of this announcement?
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DV, I think we've beat this horse long enough.
If it still matters to you in like... 3? 4? pages we can open this can of worms again, but I'm done talking about it for now unless I'm talking with Shinichi.
LOL what?
You made a direct claim to Shinichi that Tom hasn't given an opinion on you.
That is clearly wrong.
Am I right or am I wrong? This isn't beating a dead horse because clearly you disagree.
Either that or you are purposefully misrepresenting the game state.
Tom hasn't given an opinion on me. He's said that Manasi is either town or scum with me based on Manasi being comfortable talking to me in the way that she did. This counts as a read on Manasi because he's looking at something that Manasi's done and evaluating it. It doesn't count as a read on me because he's not looking at anything that I'm doing, simply that I'm being interacted with. Saying that tom is arguing that we are connected is inaccurate: he's saying that Town!Nacho + Town!Manasi is a possibility, Scum!Nacho + Town!Manasi is a possibility, and Scum!Nacho + Scum!Manasi is a possibility, but Town!Nacho + Scum!Manasi is not. He is not saying that we are either T+T or S+S, which is what saying that he's making a connection between us is arguing.
DV, I think we've beat this horse long enough.
If it still matters to you in like... 3? 4? pages we can open this can of worms again, but I'm done talking about it for now unless I'm talking with Shinichi.
LOL what?
You made a direct claim to Shinichi that Tom hasn't given an opinion on you.
That is clearly wrong.
Am I right or am I wrong? This isn't beating a dead horse because clearly you disagree.
Either that or you are purposefully misrepresenting the game state.
Tom hasn't given an opinion on me. He's said that Manasi is either town or scum with me based on Manasi being comfortable talking to me in the way that she did. This counts as a read on Manasi because he's looking at something that Manasi's done and evaluating it. It doesn't count as a read on me because he's not looking at anything that I'm doing, simply that I'm being interacted with. Saying that tom is arguing that we are connected is inaccurate: he's saying that Town!Nacho + Town!Manasi is a possibility, Scum!Nacho + Town!Manasi is a possibility, and Scum!Nacho + Scum!Manasi is a possibility, but Town!Nacho + Scum!Manasi is not. He is not saying that we are either T+T or S+S, which is what saying that he's making a connection between us is arguing.
That seems to be an opinion on you. Lets go check the definition of an opinion first though.
A view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
if I think that Billy is a dick because he called my teacher a bad name, I am not giving an opinion on the teacher. I am giving an opinion on Billy.
if I think that my boss is sexist because of comments he made to an employee, I am not giving an opinion on the employee. I am giving an opinion on my boss.
when tom thinks that Manasi is either town or scum with me based on her interactions with me, he is not giving an opinion on me. he is giving an opinion on Manasi.
if I think that Billy is a dick because he called my teacher a bad name, I am not giving an opinion on the teacher. I am giving an opinion on Billy.
if I think that my boss is sexist because of comments he made to an employee, I am not giving an opinion on the employee. I am giving an opinion on my boss.
when tom thinks that Manasi is either town or scum with me based on her interactions with me, he is not giving an opinion on me. he is giving an opinion on Manasi.
Yeah...
Except in both of those examples the connections already exist.
I see where you're coming from. In my conversation with Shinichi, I used the word "opinion" interchangeably with "meaningful read"; you're correct that he technically gave an opinion/read/whatever on me. My point is that it doesn't change the probability that I am scum in Tom's eyes, but it does reduce the probability that Manasi is scum in Tom's eyes.
From my limited experience with DV, feel decently that he's town here. I think that he's definitely been earnestly scumhunting to this point; I think he *probably* would have dropped this line earlier if he was scum (would be hard for him to keep pressing here if he knew that he was misunderstanding me) and I'm not sure that he'd come across like he believes in it to the degree that he does even if he felt he was right.
I like his read on tom; my general view of him is that he's usually pretty paranoid of tom in general and he definitely isn't that here, but I also think that reading tom as town while thinking that the positions he's taking are dumb and wrong is an odd position for DV to take as scum.
I'd like for him to follow up with Cantrip or say whatever he was waiting with - I'm also still interested in hearing what Anak said that he was thinking but didn't voice in thread here.
Funny part to me is how tom is connecting all these people but isn't voting any of them IMO (unless I missed a vote on Nacho or Manasi)
Like if you think two peeps are buddies wouldn't you wanna take that 50/50 chance and hope one was scum so you catch two at once?
Live a little homie
Honestly that is a good point, but then again hes leaving himself an opening since he wont decide if its a town vs town interaction or scum vs scum interaction.
I think the degree to which Shinichi is willing to stick their neck out reads decently town; I like pieces like this where they say that they're confusing me and Manasi but am still scumreading me because they don't like my position on tom or this where Shinichi goes "***** I misread tom's post" to "no I didn't, I just thought I did for a while" - I feel pretty strongly that scum in this situation would be a lot more conservative so they don't draw a bunch of attention to themselves.
I do but i believe my vote was invalid anyways due to a mispelling, its pretty telling that 5 people were on the same place this early on in tthe game.
I feel like you're above average at it but if you think 95% of posts are AI it's been blind luck apparently.
Still deciding if I believe that you think that and if that even matters
this is kinda rude lol assuming because i agree that all posts can be any alignment does not mean that a person cant read someone, i mean i can easily vote to pressure a reaction out of you if need be.
And I like Kanji's opening as well. I saw that Tom implied that it's openwolfing but waltzing into the thread and proposing a chain lynch in order to psyche out a scumread most definitely doesn't seem like a typical scum move.
Oh my god it's good when your reads generate discussion but this is too much.
Nacho is correct that it's entirely a read on manasi, no opinion on nachos alignment involved. I doubt I would have one by now even if I was trying to
And it's sort of a connection between them but I see no reason to say it's more likely than rand or vote either of them.
Not really sure how that's being misunderstood by like 3 people it's pretty clear
There's always a chance it's deliberate misunderstanding but I don't really see that very often so it's probably just bad reading comprehension
That's pretty much the last I'm gonna say on the matter I think.
I got the answers I was looking for on kanji he's lynchbait so I'm not interested in lynching. Y'all may continue to assign motives that don't exist and consider this a townread.
Oh my god it's good when your reads generate discussion but this is too much.
Nacho is correct that it's entirely a read on manasi, no opinion on nachos alignment involved. I doubt I would have one by now even if I was trying to
And it's sort of a connection between them but I see no reason to say it's more likely than rand or vote either of them.
Not really sure how that's being misunderstood by like 3 people it's pretty clear
There's always a chance it's deliberate misunderstanding but I don't really see that very often so it's probably just bad reading comprehension
That's pretty much the last I'm gonna say on the matter I think.
I got the answers I was looking for on kanji he's lynchbait so I'm not interested in lynching. Y'all may continue to assign motives that don't exist and consider this a townread.
Gonna talk to an outside source about cantrip...
Get back to me on that one because I'm doing the same thing.
Also, I'm not saying you have a read on him in the sense of town/scum. Just that you have a connection between him and Manasi, which is fine. But its an opinion on the player.
@cantrip I figured that when you told everyone to flavorclaim you were mostly joking. That's how I read it and if you'd like to clarify otherwise then I'm all ears. I thought it was scummy of whoever agreed that it was probably a good idea but I can't remember who that is off the top of my head.
My vote on Newcomb was fully intentional.
As much attention as Tom's weird read on me has gotten, it's absolutely NAI and I'm not sure why it's spurred such a debate. I guess it's good that it's kind of gotten us out of RVS but I still think that scum reading Tom for it is kinda silly. I have an inclination to scum read the people scum reading the posts, but he just keeps trolling more and tilting people so I feel like that's just unfair, don't ya think?
@tom how dare you suggest I'd be scared of people's reputations. Who is nacho? I keep getting them confused for other people on other sites. DON'T KNOCK DOWN MY PLAY.
Kanji's intro a little underwhelming but I don't know what I expected. The troll vote on nacho is p good. Interactions with Tom, not so good. Seems like Tom's trying to avoid him like a dad chaperoning a field trip who just wants to get away from the snotty kid who keeps wanting attention.
Tom vs. DV weird mafia theory posting is wasting my time and draining my effort to continue catching up.
And I will close this stream of consciousness post with: What the hell? Cantrip thinks Kanji is a breath of fresh air and doesn't like me? Damnit. I'm basically the better version of him. This is an atrocity.
I guess reading into it a bit more I think Shinichi is actually just a villager. I don't know who would just beat a dead horse even further into the ground (no offense I don't know how to phrase that without being offensive English isn't my first language). The only issue is that kinda makes me want to lock DV into a village slot too.
Hm. These are the most developed Day 1 reads I've ever had and I only have two!
I'm confused how anyone could be confused about my read on Tom or my read on Nacho.
The fact that Manasi thinks that and Vez can't figure it out gives me pause. And yeah, don't tell me how to play my game thanks. Tom kind of has to be herded like a cat and all of his mafia knowledge questioned otherwise he'll give multiple inventor abilities to the same mafia player and make wild claims that he can't back up about how night kills should happen.
Lmao what the hell is going on in here, this is one of the weirdest day starts I've ever seen.
tom up in here talking about transitive properties and *****. Son you think this is math class?
Whatever it's hilarious how much people are talking about it. I'll bite. So if nacho flips scum then we lynch Manasi next right. But if Manasi flips town at that point then we know Tom's full of it and needs to die.
Who's with me?
Vote: Nachomaama8
side note does anyone here jam EDM cause I can guarantee I'll be linking tunes later when the game get's hyphy. Let's go
This is a post in the category of too scummy to be scum. Chaining up lynches on nothing and talking about EDM. I'm seriously town reading Kanji based on this post.
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@Shinichi: Please, please, please don't quote immense walls to add one response. Just leave the last quote in the wall and people can click on the arrow and see the next quote and so on.
I agree with 95% figure. Very rarely posts aren't alignment indicative.
The second page was a waste of time though.
My bad ill work on that, also what do u mean by its too scummy to be scum? I mean some people literally play dumb or say things that make it hard for people to say would scum really do that?
Also your retaliations to others' arguments seem a little dank if you ask me. "You're wrong but what do you think about this totally unrelated thing?" is whatever. Can you refute points in the future instead of trying to redirect people's trains of thought? LOL
THats tom for you, either way your vote didnt seem that strong so why do you think tom reacted the way he did? Also if he keeps doing that it will be hard for me to see him as anything other than scum
This is a post in the category of too scummy to be scum. Chaining up lynches on nothing and talking about EDM. I'm seriously town reading Kanji based on this post.
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@Shinichi: Please, please, please don't quote immense walls to add one response. Just leave the last quote in the wall and people can click on the arrow and see the next quote and so on.
I agree with 95% figure. Very rarely posts aren't alignment indicative.
The second page was a waste of time though.
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What do you make of tom's tone getting a lil flustered when I swapped my vote to him?
Or was I the only one seeing that. Lol
Nah, you're not the only one. I thought tom was going to rage all over the thread after you voted for him. He seemed incredibly distraught. /s
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Lol BS. If you were shook you'd vote me.
Stop playing cool with me daddy.
Also your retaliations to others' arguments seem a little dank if you ask me. "You're wrong but what do you think about this totally unrelated thing?" is whatever. Can you refute points in the future instead of trying to redirect people's trains of thought? LOL
^ talking bout this post specifically tom. Focusing on a low hanging fruit argument by devaluing someone else's point, then calling the entire exchange worthless, followed by changing the subject to another player
prettttyyy dank bruh
Damn, too bad we're not allowed to thank posts
LMAO
Was hoping his answer would be more interesting but there's promise of more to come and I've created a data point that may come in handy later
Or I made that up and just wanted to discredit DV (who iirc is townreading me)
That's okay, I'm pretty sure tom and I can get you mislynched by then.
Trying to figure out if you're being sarcastic or just really bad at math. And whether its scummy.
We can leave the AI discussion for later, I have a feeling that a lot of people would have interesting thoughts on it, and we aren't going to get anywhere now obviously
...but how serious is this vote, and, if serious, how serious are you about these lynch-chains?
Actually, I really appreciate Tom's mindset. If you think it's mindless, then take a seat because class is in session. Tom is many things, but I've never seen him to be mindless. And I can mostly follow his train of thought on this one. He's not actually calling any alignments, yet; he's just setting up dichotomies/likely associations. I've seen games solved that way.
This is awesome.
Town!DV feelings intensify.
@Kanji: Are you familiar with the term "pocket"? Also, how many games of mafia have you played?
@Vezok: Have you played with Kanji before/are you familiar with her/his mafia experience?
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Any thoughts on your wagon?
Newcomb
Transcend
randwolfsubout
cantripmancer
vezokpiraka
Anaklusmos
Nacho seems scummy to me I think.
Did...did you just make a list of the players with the lowest post counts and predict that 1-3 scum are in that group? Wait...and you listed half the player list? And then announced suspicion on a player outside that list. I can't even....what was the point of this announcement?
Seppel: Good observation, Iso. With the combatants still sizing things up early in the fight, it looks like we could be in for a longer bout than initially expected, Iso. Attrition and keeping a cool head could be the key to victory in this year's battle.
Iso: Stay tuned for more Giant Robot Battle Royale action!
Votecount #2: "Is this thing working without my counting behind it?"
Nachomamma8 - 2 (Anaklusmos, D_V)
Newcomb - 2 (tomsloger, Manasi)
Shinichi - 1 (Nachomamma8)
Tomsloger - 1 (Kanji)
Not Voting - 6 (Newcomb, Vezokpiraka, Randwolfsubout, Cantripmancer, Transcend, Shinichi)
Please let me know if there are any errors! Deadline is August 1, 2018, 11:59PM EST.
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Tom hasn't given an opinion on me. He's said that Manasi is either town or scum with me based on Manasi being comfortable talking to me in the way that she did. This counts as a read on Manasi because he's looking at something that Manasi's done and evaluating it. It doesn't count as a read on me because he's not looking at anything that I'm doing, simply that I'm being interacted with. Saying that tom is arguing that we are connected is inaccurate: he's saying that Town!Nacho + Town!Manasi is a possibility, Scum!Nacho + Town!Manasi is a possibility, and Scum!Nacho + Scum!Manasi is a possibility, but Town!Nacho + Scum!Manasi is not. He is not saying that we are either T+T or S+S, which is what saying that he's making a connection between us is arguing.
That seems to be an opinion on you. Lets go check the definition of an opinion first though.
Huh that seems like a view about you.
if I think that my boss is sexist because of comments he made to an employee, I am not giving an opinion on the employee. I am giving an opinion on my boss.
when tom thinks that Manasi is either town or scum with me based on her interactions with me, he is not giving an opinion on me. he is giving an opinion on Manasi.
not my interactions with her. not my posting towards her. HER SIDE of the interactions with me.
Yeah...
Except in both of those examples the connections already exist.
He's connected both of you. That's an opinion.
I like his read on tom; my general view of him is that he's usually pretty paranoid of tom in general and he definitely isn't that here, but I also think that reading tom as town while thinking that the positions he's taking are dumb and wrong is an odd position for DV to take as scum.
I'd like for him to follow up with Cantrip or say whatever he was waiting with - I'm also still interested in hearing what Anak said that he was thinking but didn't voice in thread here.
Yep lol didnt realize it was a type
sbout what?
Honestly that is a good point, but then again hes leaving himself an opening since he wont decide if its a town vs town interaction or scum vs scum interaction.
I do but i believe my vote was invalid anyways due to a mispelling, its pretty telling that 5 people were on the same place this early on in tthe game.
this is kinda rude lol assuming because i agree that all posts can be any alignment does not mean that a person cant read someone, i mean i can easily vote to pressure a reaction out of you if need be.
If your conversation between eachother is just gonna be you both invalidating eachother opinions isnt it fruitless regardless?
But every post does have a meaning to it, most people you know think before they post or atleast have some reasoning attachehd to a post.
Nacho is correct that it's entirely a read on manasi, no opinion on nachos alignment involved. I doubt I would have one by now even if I was trying to
And it's sort of a connection between them but I see no reason to say it's more likely than rand or vote either of them.
Not really sure how that's being misunderstood by like 3 people it's pretty clear
There's always a chance it's deliberate misunderstanding but I don't really see that very often so it's probably just bad reading comprehension
That's pretty much the last I'm gonna say on the matter I think.
I got the answers I was looking for on kanji he's lynchbait so I'm not interested in lynching. Y'all may continue to assign motives that don't exist and consider this a townread.
Gonna talk to an outside source about cantrip...
Get back to me on that one because I'm doing the same thing.
Also, I'm not saying you have a read on him in the sense of town/scum. Just that you have a connection between him and Manasi, which is fine. But its an opinion on the player.
Oh also
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Can we drop the subject about tom's reads? It's getting really annoying to read about it.
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Think Anak is kinda wolfy, mostly just a tonal thing from hos he's phrased some posts.
Newcomb is also wolfy and should be lynched immediately
Vla, gotta walk my dog. Back in 10 days.
@cantrip I figured that when you told everyone to flavorclaim you were mostly joking. That's how I read it and if you'd like to clarify otherwise then I'm all ears. I thought it was scummy of whoever agreed that it was probably a good idea but I can't remember who that is off the top of my head.
My vote on Newcomb was fully intentional.
As much attention as Tom's weird read on me has gotten, it's absolutely NAI and I'm not sure why it's spurred such a debate. I guess it's good that it's kind of gotten us out of RVS but I still think that scum reading Tom for it is kinda silly. I have an inclination to scum read the people scum reading the posts, but he just keeps trolling more and tilting people so I feel like that's just unfair, don't ya think?
@tom how dare you suggest I'd be scared of people's reputations. Who is nacho? I keep getting them confused for other people on other sites. DON'T KNOCK DOWN MY PLAY.
Kanji's intro a little underwhelming but I don't know what I expected. The troll vote on nacho is p good. Interactions with Tom, not so good. Seems like Tom's trying to avoid him like a dad chaperoning a field trip who just wants to get away from the snotty kid who keeps wanting attention.
Tom vs. DV weird mafia theory posting is wasting my time and draining my effort to continue catching up.
And I will close this stream of consciousness post with: What the hell? Cantrip thinks Kanji is a breath of fresh air and doesn't like me? Damnit. I'm basically the better version of him. This is an atrocity.
Hm. These are the most developed Day 1 reads I've ever had and I only have two!
vote cantrip
We can lynch scumnewcomb tomorrow
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The fact that Manasi thinks that and Vez can't figure it out gives me pause. And yeah, don't tell me how to play my game thanks. Tom kind of has to be herded like a cat and all of his mafia knowledge questioned otherwise he'll give multiple inventor abilities to the same mafia player and make wild claims that he can't back up about how night kills should happen.
I had a similar end result, but I'm curious what your reasons are.
Also screw summary posts that reek of other people giving information and me not being able to use them as a scum tell.
Vote Cantrip
Why don't you guys start trying to lynch me instead so you can really turn me on.
This totally my first game fam
what's a pocket? I got 20 $1 bills to make it rain on you in exchange for your knowledge
My bad ill work on that, also what do u mean by its too scummy to be scum? I mean some people literally play dumb or say things that make it hard for people to say would scum really do that?
THats tom for you, either way your vote didnt seem that strong so why do you think tom reacted the way he did? Also if he keeps doing that it will be hard for me to see him as anything other than scum
I really like the idea of voting vezo after seeing him try to get away with dismissing a whle page as waste of time.
I mean i also agree u over reacted which i not sure why u felt the need to freak over such an insignificant vote.