think his entrance was meh, think his content early on was meh, think his play is detached and is a good center piece for scumteams. realistically this just an easy wolf hit to set us up for further days if it hits right though i'm thinking of hitting somebody wolfy af but also who's got a lot of associatives.
Hmm. What associatives were those?
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Highroller, Elijah, and Ruma can all be town till further notice.
What's your reasoning for these?
Not going to answer right now. Instead let's play a game, why do you think I have them as town?
Ruma - meta/tone ?
Elijah - tone?
High - Mass claim proposal and refusal to back down from it might suggest fearless town over scum, PR claim
IMO too soon to tell with Riku.
Elijah's read of Kami is pretty vague and I'm not really seeing how some of the accusations are applicable.
I have a theory on High but he's not worth pushing today.
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i thought it was pretty specific, but maybe im a vague person
You use "meh" and "detached" to describe his play and haven't called out anything he's done specifically. I think a lot of people feel meh right now and I'm not seeing detached at all. Is my thing.
Also I'm not sure what you mean by centerpiece.
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i thought it was pretty specific, but maybe im a vague person
You use "meh" and "detached" to describe his play and haven't called out anything he's done specifically. I think a lot of people feel meh right now and I'm not seeing detached at all. Is my thing.
Also I'm not sure what you mean by centerpiece.
oh yeah the kami read. i for some reason thought you were referring to the fuwa read. no the kami read is a crapshoot, but i'm interested in his response to see what kind of player he is and if i'm on base or not.
maybe when i reread i'll answer what a centerpiece is because it doesn't ring a bell to me rn either
i thought it was pretty specific, but maybe im a vague person
You use "meh" and "detached" to describe his play and haven't called out anything he's done specifically. I think a lot of people feel meh right now and I'm not seeing detached at all. Is my thing.
Also I'm not sure what you mean by centerpiece.
oh yeah the kami read. i for some reason thought you were referring to the fuwa read. no the kami read is a crapshoot, but i'm interested in his response to see what kind of player he is and if i'm on base or not.
maybe when i reread i'll answer what a centerpiece is because it doesn't ring a bell to me rn either
i thought it was pretty specific, but maybe im a vague person
You use "meh" and "detached" to describe his play and haven't called out anything he's done specifically. I think a lot of people feel meh right now and I'm not seeing detached at all. Is my thing.
Also I'm not sure what you mean by centerpiece.
oh yeah the kami read. i for some reason thought you were referring to the fuwa read. no the kami read is a crapshoot, but i'm interested in his response to see what kind of player he is and if i'm on base or not.
maybe when i reread i'll answer what a centerpiece is because it doesn't ring a bell to me rn either
Ah okay.
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Highroller, Elijah, and Ruma can all be town till further notice.
What's your reasoning for these?
Not going to answer right now. Instead let's play a game, why do you think I have them as town?
Ruma - meta/tone ?
Elijah - tone?
High - Mass claim proposal and refusal to back down from it might suggest fearless town over scum, PR claim
IMO too soon to tell with Riku.
Elijah's read of Kami is pretty vague and I'm not really seeing how some of the accusations are applicable.
I have a theory on High but he's not worth pushing today.
You're there on Ruma. It's more a he can't keep this level up as scum. If his activity slips then I'll reevaluate but I think this extrapolated over a couple weeks is very townie by his meta.
Not what I'm seeing for Highroller or Elijah but I do like your reply. I agree the KA read isn't persuasive and I like that after the confusion Elijah agreed.
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[You're there on Ruma. It's more a he can't keep this level up as scum. If his activity slips then I'll reevaluate but I think this extrapolated over a couple weeks is very townie by his meta.
Okay so, I recently got out of a game where Riku lurked hard for the first two days. When he posted during that time he was aggressive but it was mostly non-game related (defending himself against people calling him out for activity iirc). I didn't townlean him based on activity because there was no way I could. I townread him based on that attitude (which I love btw). He later cleared himself fully when utilizing his ability to kill a scum.
I was spectating Unreliable Cops and he demonstrated that same level of aggressiveness. It might be unrealistic to expect that every game he is town but I have not seen it here yet. I also read a bit of Token Mafia and he IS capable of actually providing reads and reasoning as mafia (still lacking the same engagement/interest he'd have as town). But that's reasonable, he's not a priority right now (town until proven not, from your PoV, I'm sensing).
I do find Elijah's tone pure. I also find that pure tone is hardly an indicator of town. Admitting one's own flaws does not correct them, and I find lack of a will to defend one's reputation and reads more indicative of scum. May vary depending on the player though.
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@RE town until proven not is a good way to put Ruma. Until he proves me wrong I don't think he can keep his engagement up as scum with long phases.
On Elijah my read isn't about tone. Disagree on the defending mistakes read in general. Too much varience from person to person and whether they are even aware they made a mistake or just stubbornly thinking they were right.
Hey Highroller, I don’t think you answered my questions.
I only saw the one. What was the other/were the others?[/quote]Re: closed setups, what elijah said. Information about the setup is secret and only revealed as people die, rather than all the roles/mechanics being listed in the first post by the mod[/quote]At MTGNews it was the default.
I'd never even heard of an open setup before recently. Seems strange. The fun is in figuring out how the game is constructed.
I am going to have to disagree with you there Highroller. While some fun may be in the setup, most of the fun is in analysis of player and strategy, rather than the setup. Working out motivations - the setup is irrelevant for those who enjoy that side of things.
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I am going to have to disagree with you there Highroller. While some fun may be in the setup, most of the fun is in analysis of player and strategy, rather than the setup. Working out motivations - the setup is irrelevant for those who enjoy that side of things.
I love puzzling out setups but I also love catching someone dead to rights on behavior.
There's something fishy about RE, but it could just be me? Like, his description of my past games is really apt? Idk, it just seemed weird to me.
Could you try to be more specific? Weird how? What's fishy about my meta on you?
If I could elaborate, don't you think I would have done it in that post? I mentioned it because it was something that irked me, but I was seeking enlightenment.
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If I could elaborate, don't you think I would have done it in that post? I mentioned it because it was something that irked me, but I was seeking enlightenment.
By that argument, asking anyone to elaborate would be pointless. I dislike your way of settling this.
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If I could elaborate, don't you think I would have done it in that post? I mentioned it because it was something that irked me, but I was seeking enlightenment.
By that argument, asking anyone to elaborate would be pointless. I dislike your way of settling this.
Difference is, I admitted in the very post that you're asking me to elaborate that I couldn't elaborate. I dislike your manipulation of fact.
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Everyone's seen the movie Ghostbusters, right? You know the guy played by Bill Murray? Do you think he's a serial killer?
Also, KamikazeArchon brings up an excellent point. How did you think that I was quoting my role PM there, with the TOWN win condition, and not unvote me? If you believe I'm town, why would you vote me like I'm suspicious?
I'm going to go ahead and vote Rodemy
Why are you so sure there is a serial killer? Is it implied in your role? Just because town wins when threats to the town are dead doesn’t imply that at all
I’m seriously going to lose it laughing if the “first person to mention a Serial Killer is scum” scumtell holds true again.
I’d rather be more careful than less, because I have a horrible track record with underestimating how much closed setups can benefit scum and their PRs sometimes. No name claim from me.
Kami, I don’t know, but there’s a weird tom/Rod dynamic happening here that I want to unravel.
Maybe it’s because shadow Isn’t in this game
Also I explained why I see Tom as town, what is weird about that?
It feels very out of character for someone with supposedly limited information on a player that's normally pretty inscrutable.
For all we know, the mafia can target people based on whether or not they're Human or Ecto or something.
I can't fathom wanting to claim anything that isn't guaranteed to help, on Day 1, in a closed setup, before we have flipped scum roles, or when someone is at L-2. Unless you can walk me through exactly how flavorclaiming will help town and/or harm the mafia.
Im sorry, but I’m pretty sure Ecto is just Scum, is there anyone that’s town AND ecto? I doubt it.
So there is almost certainly a mafia member in [Etr, Cantripmancer, vezokpiraka, Fuwa, Tubba Fett, rezombied, Atogaholic]. As much as I hate activity reads, they do tend to signify something about alignment. I will be going over the small amount of content within these people, and seeing if there is scum hunting, or just skimming. There is plenty of content now to start making judgements. *shrugs*
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Two posts from rezombied, one is where I voted for RE, he thought I was voting for him and complained about me getting his name wrong, and he voted for Grape. The other is unvoting, a few responses and a token of lazy town and mafia alike 'still catching up'.
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Lurker-hunting is a fairly successful strategy IMO. Could be a place to start Day 1. But it's about more than post count. It's about exactly what they're doing in those posts.
Riku, you've observed what rezombied did in those posts. Now, why do you think those actions are scum-lurking?
@Terry: That sounds like an unjustified conclusion, and possibly fishing.
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This post really bothers me. Terry's not self-effacing, he's self-aggrandizing. The idea of him putting himself down or pointing out his own fallibility is totally out of character.
I'm not. I said I'm going to go ahead and assume there's a serial killer.
Just because town wins when threats to the town are dead doesn’t imply that at all
Yes, it does. If there's no other threat but the mafia, why wouldn't it say mafia? Answer: because it's being deliberately ambiguous as to whether or not there are other threats to the town. Safe bet is to proceed as though there are other threats until proven otherwise.
Going after people with only a single post never ends well, Highroller. It's much more efficient to look at the people who've at least gotten past there first post. Which means, I'm going to look at the people with slightly higher post counts next.
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My gut wants to put Vaimes, RE, and EtR there as well but I'm not going to listen to it yet.
Not going to answer right now. Instead let's play a game, why do you think I have them as town?
Elijah - tone?
High - Mass claim proposal and refusal to back down from it might suggest fearless town over scum, PR claim
IMO too soon to tell with Riku.
Elijah's read of Kami is pretty vague and I'm not really seeing how some of the accusations are applicable.
I have a theory on High but he's not worth pushing today.
Also I'm not sure what you mean by centerpiece.
oh yeah the kami read. i for some reason thought you were referring to the fuwa read. no the kami read is a crapshoot, but i'm interested in his response to see what kind of player he is and if i'm on base or not.
maybe when i reread i'll answer what a centerpiece is because it doesn't ring a bell to me rn either
AND WHAT LMAO
You're there on Ruma. It's more a he can't keep this level up as scum. If his activity slips then I'll reevaluate but I think this extrapolated over a couple weeks is very townie by his meta.
Not what I'm seeing for Highroller or Elijah but I do like your reply. I agree the KA read isn't persuasive and I like that after the confusion Elijah agreed.
I was spectating Unreliable Cops and he demonstrated that same level of aggressiveness. It might be unrealistic to expect that every game he is town but I have not seen it here yet. I also read a bit of Token Mafia and he IS capable of actually providing reads and reasoning as mafia (still lacking the same engagement/interest he'd have as town). But that's reasonable, he's not a priority right now (town until proven not, from your PoV, I'm sensing).
I do find Elijah's tone pure. I also find that pure tone is hardly an indicator of town. Admitting one's own flaws does not correct them, and I find lack of a will to defend one's reputation and reads more indicative of scum. May vary depending on the player though.
On Elijah my read isn't about tone. Disagree on the defending mistakes read in general. Too much varience from person to person and whether they are even aware they made a mistake or just stubbornly thinking they were right.
Obviously there's a false positive here. I don't know Elijah, and there's players that you should never use this sort of read on (myself included).
But yeah prolly one of my top town aorn
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I'd never even heard of an open setup before recently. Seems strange. The fun is in figuring out how the game is constructed.
I am going to have to disagree with you there Highroller. While some fun may be in the setup, most of the fun is in analysis of player and strategy, rather than the setup. Working out motivations - the setup is irrelevant for those who enjoy that side of things.
I love puzzling out setups but I also love catching someone dead to rights on behavior.
Any thoughts at this stage on who is town?
I was just explaining the appeal of an open setup *shrugs*.
Well, I'm still not keen on your tactics, but you're slowly bringing yourself to a town read in my eyes. Keep going, we'll see where this leads.
Tom's feeling like riku-light in some posts.
There's something fishy about RE, but it could just be me? Like, his description of my past games is really apt? Idk, it just seemed weird to me.
If I could elaborate, don't you think I would have done it in that post? I mentioned it because it was something that irked me, but I was seeking enlightenment.
Can someone remind me how to check post count ladder?
Difference is, I admitted in the very post that you're asking me to elaborate that I couldn't elaborate. I dislike your manipulation of fact.
Even when I read off gut I'm able to explain it somewhat. Even if you think you can't does not disallow you to at least try.
Go to the sub forum page and click on the post count link. On mobile easiest way to see it is to press down on the link and open it in a new tab.
@grape: Why do all your posts feel like fluff or completely non-committal? Who are your top 2 scumreads right now?
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About an 8/10, cause I used light instead of lite. I wasn't thinking straight. >.<
So there is almost certainly a mafia member in [Etr, Cantripmancer, vezokpiraka, Fuwa, Tubba Fett, rezombied, Atogaholic]. As much as I hate activity reads, they do tend to signify something about alignment. I will be going over the small amount of content within these people, and seeing if there is scum hunting, or just skimming. There is plenty of content now to start making judgements. *shrugs*
@ruma well cantrip is the host but there's definitely decent chance of lurkerscum in the rest of those names. I'm feeling rezombied
I’m going to reread vaimes before I vote
Hosts are scum.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/search?search-thread-id=801746&search-forum-id=&forum-scope=f&display-type=0&search=&search-type=0&by-author=rezombied&begin-date=&begin-time=&end-date=&end-time=&min-posts=&min-views=&display-type=0&submit=y
Two posts from rezombied, one is where I voted for RE, he thought I was voting for him and complained about me getting his name wrong, and he voted for Grape. The other is unvoting, a few responses and a token of lazy town and mafia alike 'still catching up'.
Vote: rezombied
Riku, you've observed what rezombied did in those posts. Now, why do you think those actions are scum-lurking?
@Terry: That sounds like an unjustified conclusion, and possibly fishing.
Scum are more likely to react adversely to there name being mentioned (rezombied getting the name wrong).
Scum can be more reactive than proactive, especially if they are lurking (His second post)
Which makes this a good time to ask for a modprod.
May we have a modprod on Atogholic, rezombied, and TubbaFett please?
This post really bothers me. Terry's not self-effacing, he's self-aggrandizing. The idea of him putting himself down or pointing out his own fallibility is totally out of character.
I'm not. I said I'm going to go ahead and assume there's a serial killer.
Yes, it does. If there's no other threat but the mafia, why wouldn't it say mafia? Answer: because it's being deliberately ambiguous as to whether or not there are other threats to the town. Safe bet is to proceed as though there are other threats until proven otherwise.
Going after people with only a single post never ends well, Highroller. It's much more efficient to look at the people who've at least gotten past there first post. Which means, I'm going to look at the people with slightly higher post counts next.