Can you actually extrapolate for my why you’re so convinced I’m scum? Aside from not being sure on your alignment, which...come on. Scum!me is way more likely to play to that anyway.
Eh...maybe. I finished a few projects so I may have time in ~15 minutes to take a look.
I...misunderstood the game mechanic. I thought that a burner phone opened a chat, but it's just a single one-way message, so I'm bummed (but Grape says it can be of any length!). That said, I'll still give up my slot on Shadow for....oh, never mind. Tom hammered. Welp and yay. *crosses fingers*
Oh yeah, Grape said it may be a bit before he can get on to end the Day. :/
That Cantrip post is his scummiest all game. After seeing the hammer, he knows there is no reason to save the stream of consciousness crap that isn’t relevant anymore.
This is an exciting development to come home to. I'm not going to believe Shadow until I see his corpse, but if he is in fact telling the truth then I am going to be very busy over Night because apparently my reads are trash.
This is an exciting development to come home to. I'm not going to believe Shadow until I see his corpse, but if he is in fact telling the truth then I am going to be very busy over Night because apparently my reads are trash.
This is an exciting development to come home to. I'm not going to believe Shadow until I see his corpse, but if he is in fact telling the truth then I am going to be very busy over Night because apparently my reads are trash.
You’re gonna be busy. If you’re not scum that is.
Rhand: my exact thoughts wrt that Cantrip “yay” crap.
That welp yay fingers crossed stuff is also over the top.
???
He’s been like that literally all game.
Yeah... but he read far enough ahead to see the hammer, but not Shadow stating he was town? And if he didn't believe Shadow, you would think he would mention it instead of acting like Shadow went radio silent. Weird vibes.
That welp yay fingers crossed stuff is also over the top.
???
He’s been like that literally all game.
contextually it reads terribly. Presumably he read enough to see me say I’m as claimed, but says “yay” as in “yay...I hope Shadow is twilight trolling”? It’s over the top and is meant to look like he’s not sure of my alignment but is ridiculously fake.
I’m almost tempted to say skip over highroller and lynch Cantrip tomorrow. Almost. Think they both could just be scum. Also, someone should check and see if Cantrip has ever voted highroller, I don’t recall.
I’m almost tempted to say skip over highroller and lynch Cantrip tomorrow. Almost. Think they both could just be scum. Also, someone should check and see if Cantrip has ever voted highroller, I don’t recall.
I’m almost tempted to say skip over highroller and lynch Cantrip tomorrow. Almost. Think they both could just be scum. Also, someone should check and see if Cantrip has ever voted highroller, I don’t recall.
Only 2 votes all game. Early Lngr and later you.
yeah, then definitely give him a bunch of pressure tomorrow. Make him talk about highroller.
Shadow (7): Eco, Cantrip, ruma, vez, highroller, vaimes, tom
Highroller (4): Shadow, rhand, cheese, lngrr
Vez (1): GJ
If he's scum, I'm not sure any are. Strong possibility that it's just Rhand and Cheese, maybe Tom or GJ.
If he's town, eh...HR is definitely a possibility, maaaaaaaybe Eco, but I don't think so...
I'm not very good at keeping track of likely worlds, though, so without a reread in light of Shadow's flip, that's probably the best you're going to get from me.
I'm a little weirded out by Rhand's list...almost feels like he knows Shadow's going to flip town.
That Cantrip post is his scummiest all game. After seeing the hammer, he knows there is no reason to save the stream of consciousness crap that isn’t relevant anymore.
Or....I was in the middle of typing it out and figured it didn't matter if I left it. Or maybe I had ulterior motives!!
If Cantrip or Tom ever flip scum, Cantrip's sudden distancing right there is pretty awkward.
It's not distancing if I'm town. And if Tom flips scum, feel free to scrutinize me for it.
LnGrrrR likely town if Shadow flips scum. Scumbuddy doesn't put the spotlight on me moments before my D1 push flips scum. If Shadow flips town...eh...I'm going to be pretty frustrated that I stopped pushing LnGrrrR.
Rhand: my exact thoughts wrt that Cantrip “yay” crap.
I was worried for a moment, but town!Shadow would recognize my town!nervous anticipation and not call it crap. (Seriously, if you're town, you've lost your Cantrip Compass. Please please flip scum.)
That welp yay fingers crossed stuff is also over the top.
???
He’s been like that literally all game.
contextually it reads terribly. Presumably he read enough to see me say I’m as claimed, but says “yay” as in “yay...I hope Shadow is twilight trolling”? It’s over the top and is meant to look like he’s not sure of my alignment but is ridiculously fake.
Oh, now I *KNOW* you're scum. We've talked about this!! You've said scum should almost ALWAYS troll unless they've been outright caught in a lie/investigated.
Actually, Cantrip, specifically talk about why you said “yay” in that post. Had you read far enough to see me say I was telling the truth? If so, why yay instead of “pretty sure Shadow is twilight trolling”? It doesn’t make sense.
Also, cute, trying to set up a chain lynch to lingerer if I flip town, when he was on the highroller wagon at a time when it could have gone either way. If highroller is also town then you can maybe try that logic, but it doesn’t hold otherwise, and certainly not with only my flip.
He’s also setting me up for the chainlynch in that post.
I’m also pretty sure that his reason for townreading Lngr had nothing to do with his Shadow scumread.
When have I ever said scum should always twilight troll?
I thought it was in Discord PM's, but I just did a search and didn't find it. Probably in a spec chat on a near-recent game, then. Pretty sure it was in Discord. It was in context of a town player making next Day predictions based on a scum player being lynched and still claiming to be town and you were like, "it's always a good idea to troll until the flip unless you've been obviously outed, and especially in this game [because of the mechanics]".
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Cantrip, you should give some detailed thoughts on highroller while you’re here.
I've more often thought he was town, but mostly because of other how players I think are scummy were attacking him. It still feels like he's just defending himself, which I would normally see as a lot more suspicious, but HR's "norm" isn't comparable to what I see as the average mafia player perspective, so...eh. I'm mostly leaning town right now, strongly leaning town if you flip scum, he needs pressure if you flip town.
Actually, Cantrip, specifically talk about why you said “yay” in that post. Had you read far enough to see me say I was telling the truth? If so, why yay instead of “pretty sure Shadow is twilight trolling”? It doesn’t make sense.
Yes, I saw you say you were telling the truth. I figured the "hope he's trolling" was implied.
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Also, cute, trying to set up a chain lynch to lingerer if I flip town, when he was on the highroller wagon at a time when it could have gone either way. If highroller is also town then you can maybe try that logic, but it doesn’t hold otherwise, and certainly not with only my flip.
Absolutely not saying that LnGrrrR is scum if you flip town. But he needs some scrutiny because as soon as you were hammered, he was all over me. If that's for my posts, that's one thing, but it felt like both he and Rhand were on the verge of "whup, Shadow town, u ded, Cantrip". So yeah, he needs scrutiny, and I won't be as quick to dismiss him next time.
I will lol all over the place if this Shadow-Rhand thing is really excellent power wolfing in plain sight uber trolling.
@cantrip: I’d buy I might have said that about a super complex game with day actions, but mostly only in that context do I think it’s expected. I’m a game like this where there is no evidence of such, the most trolling I’d really do would be to make a post or two and go silent.
@Tom: never change. Except don’t hammer me next time. Jerk.
I get that it’s weird here, but he’s been oozing that same vibe all game imo and everyone was like “no he’s just excited!!”
BTW, I *am* excited. In addition to this being one of the more positive games I've been involved with in a long time, if I caught scum!Shadow, I'll have achieved something I feel is pretty elusive. If he's town, eh, I'll be a little sad, but I'll still be excited because with this twilight suspicion, it's less likely that I get NK'd, so I can reread toNight without having to worry about the pattern that almost always occurs when I'm town: if I reread during the Night, I get NK'd; if I blow it off because I think I might be the NK, then I live. So either way he flips, *I'm* having fun. I just hope I'm having fun *and closer to my wincon*.
Even getting vigged if Shadow flips town wouldn't be the end of the world, although I'd rather have a chance to redeem myself than be the easily resolved question mark.
@Shadow: Please be trolling. I'd really like that.
ugh. you ****s seriously lynched the top poster on d1 over highroller? i regret setting my alarm
also kinda surprised shadow actually is vt, heh
kinda assumed he was a pr fakeclaiming vt which was another reason I didn't want the lynch. still just don't really understand wagon on him, but guess gives something to look at overnight
half asleep skim of highrollers "about to maybe die" post actually looks sort of town maybe. he's completely missing the point, but feel like he believes it
@cantrip: FWIW, I think you’re a poor vig target and want to see highroller vigged still.
See? It's things like this that make me think you're scum! Scum trying to shade me would totally go on record that I shouldn't be vigged so that when you flip scum, people have to deal with that wifom.
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Also, please don’t lynch me, I’d really like that.
Eh, wouldn't we all? If you're town, you're just mad because now you can't say you've never been mislynched.
@Cantrip, why do you think you would be vigshotted as opposed to highroller?
I don't? Just saying that if Shadow flips town and the vig decides to take me out, it wouldn't harsh my positive vibes about this game or my play. It wouldn't surprise me if I got vigged, depending on who the vig was, but I don't think it likely.
FTR, my personal perspective on vigshots is that there are three good target types: counterwagons to town flips (because it saves town from dealing with it the next day), lurkers (for obvious reasons, but I usually feel this is less ideal because you could just be shooting into town PR that's trying to stay under the radar), and strong players whose removal simplifies the gamestate. If Shadow flips scum, obviously I'm not going to be vigged. If Shadow flips town, if I weren't me and had a vig shot, I would totally consider vigging me for that last category, especially since I've demonstrated that I can be brutally dangerous as scum and often hit-or-miss as town.
ugh. you ****s seriously lynched the top poster on d1 over highroller? i regret setting my alarm
also kinda surprised shadow actually is vt, heh
kinda assumed he was a pr fakeclaiming vt which was another reason I didn't want the lynch. still just don't really understand wagon on him, but guess gives something to look at overnight
half asleep skim of highrollers "about to maybe die" post actually looks sort of town maybe. he's completely missing the point, but feel like he believes it
I actually was hoping that WIFOM would be in the thoughts of the scum team.
Oh my, very true. Good thing Vezok claimed cop and not vig
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I hope you're still having fun, even if you do get lynched, eh?
I feel like you're more interested in orchestrating the lynch than you are in determining who's scum.
...really? Eh, Tom just nose-dived for me. :/
I...misunderstood the game mechanic. I thought that a burner phone opened a chat, but it's just a single one-way message, so I'm bummed (but Grape says it can be of any length!). That said, I'll still give up my slot on Shadow for....oh, never mind. Tom hammered. Welp and yay. *crosses fingers*
Oh yeah, Grape said it may be a bit before he can get on to end the Day. :/
GJ
Rhand
Lingerer
Vez
Cheesecake
Ruma
Vaimes
Cantrip
Tom
Eco
Highroller
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Shadowlancerx
GJ
Rhand
Lingerer
Vez
Cheesecake
Ruma
Vaimes
Tom
Eco
Cantrip
Highroller
He’s been like that literally all game.
Busy choosing who to kill you mean?
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Rhand: my exact thoughts wrt that Cantrip “yay” crap.
No, he hasn’t. He’s shown emotions, yes, but not these weird extremes.
Yeah... but he read far enough ahead to see the hammer, but not Shadow stating he was town? And if he didn't believe Shadow, you would think he would mention it instead of acting like Shadow went radio silent. Weird vibes.
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Only 2 votes all game. Early Lngr and later you.
Shadow (7): Eco, Cantrip, ruma, vez, highroller, vaimes, tom
Highroller (4): Shadow, rhand, cheese, lngrr
Vez (1): GJ
If he's scum, I'm not sure any are. Strong possibility that it's just Rhand and Cheese, maybe Tom or GJ.
If he's town, eh...HR is definitely a possibility, maaaaaaaybe Eco, but I don't think so...
I'm not very good at keeping track of likely worlds, though, so without a reread in light of Shadow's flip, that's probably the best you're going to get from me.
I'm a little weirded out by Rhand's list...almost feels like he knows Shadow's going to flip town.
Or....I was in the middle of typing it out and figured it didn't matter if I left it. Or maybe I had ulterior motives!!
:eyeroll:
It's not distancing if I'm town. And if Tom flips scum, feel free to scrutinize me for it.
LnGrrrR likely town if Shadow flips scum. Scumbuddy doesn't put the spotlight on me moments before my D1 push flips scum. If Shadow flips town...eh...I'm going to be pretty frustrated that I stopped pushing LnGrrrR.
You definitely should. I certainly plan to reread.
I was worried for a moment, but town!Shadow would recognize my town!nervous anticipation and not call it crap. (Seriously, if you're town, you've lost your Cantrip Compass. Please please flip scum.)
Oh, now I *KNOW* you're scum. We've talked about this!! You've said scum should almost ALWAYS troll unless they've been outright caught in a lie/investigated.
*happy dance*
Cantrip doubling down is...weird. Still think he’s pretty likely scum with that post.
Cantrip, you should give some detailed thoughts on highroller while you’re here.
Also, cute, trying to set up a chain lynch to lingerer if I flip town, when he was on the highroller wagon at a time when it could have gone either way. If highroller is also town then you can maybe try that logic, but it doesn’t hold otherwise, and certainly not with only my flip.
I’m also pretty sure that his reason for townreading Lngr had nothing to do with his Shadow scumread.
I've more often thought he was town, but mostly because of other how players I think are scummy were attacking him. It still feels like he's just defending himself, which I would normally see as a lot more suspicious, but HR's "norm" isn't comparable to what I see as the average mafia player perspective, so...eh. I'm mostly leaning town right now, strongly leaning town if you flip scum, he needs pressure if you flip town.
Yes, I saw you say you were telling the truth. I figured the "hope he's trolling" was implied.
Absolutely not saying that LnGrrrR is scum if you flip town. But he needs some scrutiny because as soon as you were hammered, he was all over me. If that's for my posts, that's one thing, but it felt like both he and Rhand were on the verge of "whup, Shadow town, u ded, Cantrip". So yeah, he needs scrutiny, and I won't be as quick to dismiss him next time.
I will lol all over the place if this Shadow-Rhand thing is really excellent power wolfing in plain sight uber trolling.
@Tom: never change. Except don’t hammer me next time. Jerk.
Even getting vigged if Shadow flips town wouldn't be the end of the world, although I'd rather have a chance to redeem myself than be the easily resolved question mark.
@Shadow: Please be trolling. I'd really like that.
Also, please don’t lynch me, I’d really like that.
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Eco/cantrip/cheese/gj
Ruma/shadow/Highroller
Rhand
Stick vezok somewhere
Probably vezok
also kinda surprised shadow actually is vt, heh
kinda assumed he was a pr fakeclaiming vt which was another reason I didn't want the lynch. still just don't really understand wagon on him, but guess gives something to look at overnight
half asleep skim of highrollers "about to maybe die" post actually looks sort of town maybe. he's completely missing the point, but feel like he believes it
Eh, wouldn't we all? If you're town, you're just mad because now you can't say you've never been mislynched.
I don't? Just saying that if Shadow flips town and the vig decides to take me out, it wouldn't harsh my positive vibes about this game or my play. It wouldn't surprise me if I got vigged, depending on who the vig was, but I don't think it likely.
FTR, my personal perspective on vigshots is that there are three good target types: counterwagons to town flips (because it saves town from dealing with it the next day), lurkers (for obvious reasons, but I usually feel this is less ideal because you could just be shooting into town PR that's trying to stay under the radar), and strong players whose removal simplifies the gamestate. If Shadow flips scum, obviously I'm not going to be vigged. If Shadow flips town, if I weren't me and had a vig shot, I would totally consider vigging me for that last category, especially since I've demonstrated that I can be brutally dangerous as scum and often hit-or-miss as town.
Um...if Shadow flips scum or town? o.O Like...I'm guessing this is you taking Shadow at his word...but then he's in the lean-scum tier?