Tom: "don't assume my intentions"
SC: "what am I suppose to think of you?"
Tom: "not up to me"
What even
yes, questions?
I'm sorry, but I read that as, Scarlet trying to peek into your head, you telling her not to do that, her asking, well how do I read you, and then you answering, well that's not up to me... Being overly smug, for absolutely no reason, after threatening to hammer her...
You constantly go up and down the alignment totem pole for me, and you are slipping very low right now
What exactly was the point of your threat?
what it comes down to, if i wanted to hammer scarlet i would have. And you, at least, know that to be true regardless of my alignment
So why does that read as more threat than question?
But if youre curious i think this looks a fair amount more like townscarlet than scumscarlet (having only seen each alignment once)
But their day 1 is moderately artificial regardless because their real game starts with flips so its not a super reliable read
Aorn biggest point against them is no reevaluation on cowbells at all after learning hes a fairly experienced player, even while talking about the wagon.
But cowbells did deflect a bit about his scumgame. Idk if not enjoying being a wolf is true, having not actually seen them scum that i remember, but i do know someone that considers them the best wolf on MU so thats a thing i noticed at least.
Hey thats shade on both of my townreads good stuff
Tom: "don't assume my intentions"
SC: "what am I suppose to think of you?"
Tom: "not up to me"
What even
yes, questions?
I'm sorry, but I read that as, Scarlet trying to peek into your head, you telling her not to do that, her asking, well how do I read you, and then you answering, well that's not up to me... Being overly smug, for absolutely no reason, after threatening to hammer her...
You constantly go up and down the alignment totem pole for me, and you are slipping very low right now
What exactly was the point of your threat?
what it comes down to, if i wanted to hammer scarlet i would have. And you, at least, know that to be true regardless of my alignment
So why does that read as more threat than question?
But if youre curious i think this looks a fair amount more like townscarlet than scumscarlet (having only seen each alignment once)
But their day 1 is moderately artificial regardless because their real game starts with flips so its not a super reliable read
Aorn biggest point against them is no reevaluation on cowbells at all after learning hes a fairly experienced player, even while talking about the wagon.
But cowbells did deflect a bit about his scumgame. Idk if not enjoying being a wolf is true, having not actually seen them scum that i remember, but i do know someone that considers them the best wolf on MU so thats a thing i noticed at least.
Hey thats shade on both of my townreads good stuff
a lot of what i think i picked up on were tonal quirks regarding the way she posted that just happened to be entirely absent from the 1 town game i initially compared her meta to. turns out that she makes a lot of posts similar to the ones here as town in other town games. there's enough that made me reticent about the read in the first place that I don't want to lynch her today. i think that killjoy is scum.
Kj read still in the oven over here, was thinking ruma but really theres fairly little difference between those two and rhand in my mind. And really not a big gap between them and last tbh
a lot of what i think i picked up on were tonal quirks regarding the way she posted that just happened to be entirely absent from the 1 town game i initially compared her meta to. turns out that she makes a lot of posts similar to the ones here as town in other town games. there's enough that made me reticent about the read in the first place that I don't want to lynch her today. i think that killjoy is scum.
the problem is she makes these kinda posts in her scum game as well
a lot of what i think i picked up on were tonal quirks regarding the way she posted that just happened to be entirely absent from the 1 town game i initially compared her meta to. turns out that she makes a lot of posts similar to the ones here as town in other town games. there's enough that made me reticent about the read in the first place that I don't want to lynch her today. i think that killjoy is scum.
the problem is she makes these kinda posts in her scum game as well
well sure
but i'm not going to lynch her for doing NAI things
As it stands Ruma is scum, I have my meta on him, and until he proves me wrong, he is lock scum... you can hate my reasons, thats fine, but this is my town game...
essentially my thoughts on cowbells is they just look alone. I mean theres the parakeet but otherwise nothing. Like its their full vibe.
So ruma just defaults to scum until he proves otherwise? Any glimmers in this back and forth?
tom at the time of writing this post were you aware that I had played before?
dont worry we can both agree neither of us have or will leave our scumranges this game its a micro for ****s sake. We can both be technically viable but very difficult lynches forever barring NK
As it stands Ruma is scum, I have my meta on him, and until he proves me wrong, he is lock scum... you can hate my reasons, thats fine, but this is my town game...
essentially my thoughts on cowbells is they just look alone. I mean theres the parakeet but otherwise nothing. Like its their full vibe.
So ruma just defaults to scum until he proves otherwise? Any glimmers in this back and forth?
tom at the time of writing this post were you aware that I had played before?
dont worry we can both agree neither of us have or will leave our scumranges this game its a micro for ****s sake. We can both be technically viable but very difficult lynches forever barring NK
good point... Until it's lylo and one of you are alive, if this game ever makes it there
194 is just... what I was thinking of Tom's actions. The telling me how I should be playing Mafia, then me being a bitter about it, then him saying how I should be playing Mafia when it comes to him, leaving literally no options on how to read him at all. It's plain stupid.
197 because I feel like with his attitude he wouldn't have had as much investment in my lynch as you two.
198 and 206 Oops mistake: I meant you (Rad), not Rum. This is what happens when I write stuff at 11pm.
I really feel like you're stifling me at this point Rad. Like, you're asking me a million questions and they're all about little things. I don't feel like you're trying to understand my motivations at all and that just makes me want to scream. On top of that it looks like you're on a death tunnel so if I was pronounced Town you'd still be thinking me scum. It's pinging me hard and you're going back down to neutral. Revoked as of 212, see below.
Quick note about hydra G7: I basically ended up soloing due to RE not having enough time, but it also meant I didn't have much time either leaving me to be overwhelmed way too much. Means I was pretty defeatist from Day 2 onward. In that way I think only Day 1 is that applicable to games where I'm not overwhelmed.
Then 212 suddenly makes me feel better about Rad's alignment... actual comparing and evaluating. The 180 also really makes sense to me based on that game.
Tom reading me Town was probably always going to happen after the Hydra game. When you see someone as scum then the next one as Town it's just like: woah, they're Town.
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What does that tell you about the two people on my wagon, tom and Rhand?
the train was rvs or at least started by Rhand, Tom voted you with a pun, I can say it really leads me in any direction... Story could change later on, based on if/when you get lynched or killed and flip, based on what you flip...
Rhand hasnt posted anything outside of that vote, so its impossible, well maybe not impossible in some cases, to have a read on him as of yet
Tom is a hard cookie to crack, and at the moment im getting town vibes
currently my PoE is as follows: Rhand, You, Scarlet and I kinda like it, obviously theres not 3 scum, but im confortable with it currently
Ok, but my point is that you specified that my reaching L-2 quickly was interesting (and therefore had some relevence to the gamestate), so I figured you had some kind of more solid opinion on one of the two people voting me. Perhaps a spicy read. But you're coming back at me with "the wagon was RVS and doesn't lead anywhere" which is not what I was expecting.
To appear Town I try to replicate my Town game. Sadly, I find it really difficult to question things and form opinions that are original unless I know for a fact it comes from scum, so I end up burying my scumbuddies instead. Has happened in all three of my most recent scum games, only one of which being in the last few months (Hydra Mafia: RIP Dias/Wisp).
And how do you try to replicate it? Like, I guess what is your 'town game' then?
tom: The thing about tom is I typically solve mafia a certain way, and that way involves audiance participation. Tom does not engage me in this participation. He ignores my questions and just basically goes out of his way to make my attempts to read him pretty much useless. I'm glad he told me this time he wasn't gonna answer and didn't just ignore me for forever.
Anyway, He's just gonna go hard into POE ONLY. He's a capable enough player that he can skate the line between scummy town and townie scum so trying to analyze him without a significant meta knowledge of him is similarly pointless. So, yeah. I'm just gonna read everyone around him and see where that goes.
Radiant: Him being more experianced kinda trounces my pure read on him. If he's played mafia enough he can fake that so that tell isn't relevent anymore. I have liked the posts he isolated from Scarlet insofar as his aims to analysis.
Scarlet: Like I said before, I liked RC's isolated posts with relevence to him. However, I'm getting that tingly feeling I got in Zero Escape with DawningBluePhraze. The language feels... natural. Like that's just how she talks in general... not just as scum. Another feeling I'm having here is that, from a gameflow perspective, there's a bit of a dogpile on a bit of meat feeling. Like, she's an easy target and I think scum are all over that. I'm guessing there's a scum on that wagon.
Like... I can see a world where she can be scum. Maybe I'm wrong about my feeling re: her language. I just... don't think I am.
Wisp: I've been getting a 'too scum to be scum' feeling here... but my feelings on the Scarlet and my wagons have made me rethink that. My wagon, btw, I feel like I have no idea where it came from and I'm town so there's probably also scum on that. The two who have been on both were Last and Radiant, but Radiant felt more natural about that. Last kinda feels to me like he doesn't really care which of us gets lynched.
There was also that time where he forgot he liked my wagon and that's why he's voting me now.That felt unnatural as *****.
A bit of worldbuilding:
Wisp and Radiant not scum together.
Wisp more likely scum on (town)Scarlet/my wagons because he's less natural.
Radiant/Scarlet maybeee not scum together? IDK how bad I wanna clear that team for Scarlet apperently not knowing Cowbells actual experiance.
Ruma/Rhand/Tom still fit in all scumteams. Actually... maybe not tom/Wisp? Tom WOULD bus, but at the same time he WOULDN'T. Its not out of character, but I think he would at least be hesitant?
I think Vote Wisp needs to happen.
And as usual, if something in this is unclear, ask. I suck at writing.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I've linked a few Town games of mine from the previous page, and said what my Town game is before, but just to reiterate: my Town game consists of me trying to solve the game through the methods of questioning and commenting, though it can include trying to do OK VCA and looking at interactions from Day 2 onward (I think it's also one of the reasons I look Townier Day 2 onward, I can actually start using the wide array of tools available to me). As Town, this means that I can be much more insightful than I am as scum, because as scum I can only really scum read my scumbuddies unless someone else is SUPER scummy.
My style and type of questions I ask vary wildly, as does my participation if I can't keep up so neither of those are AI for me. It's more about trying to work out if I look like I'm thinking or not, which is not too difficult, and as I said before there is a massive tonal gap as a result.
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Two tied wagons, killjoy is most definitely a hit...
It may be early, but I'm saying this now, I won't be claiming my role, it's pointless day 1, and if they have a claim vig, I either die n1, or they wine me
So why does that read as more threat than question?
But if youre curious i think this looks a fair amount more like townscarlet than scumscarlet (having only seen each alignment once)
But their day 1 is moderately artificial regardless because their real game starts with flips so its not a super reliable read
Aorn biggest point against them is no reevaluation on cowbells at all after learning hes a fairly experienced player, even while talking about the wagon.
But cowbells did deflect a bit about his scumgame. Idk if not enjoying being a wolf is true, having not actually seen them scum that i remember, but i do know someone that considers them the best wolf on MU so thats a thing i noticed at least.
Hey thats shade on both of my townreads good stuff
Makes no sense to put ruma there that i can think of
When you awake from your much needed beauty sleep, why did you mention rum in that post?
Probably makes me more likely town if townscarlet or scumcowbells though.
i don't think it says much at all about your alignment wrt scarlet
Thats more a w/w stance from me
We both essentially soloed our hydras and i was on them ~all of day 2 and 3
vote: killjoy
i think this is the best option
well sure
but i'm not going to lynch her for doing NAI things
And when have I ever looked town in any of the mtgs games I've played anyways
tom at the time of writing this post were you aware that I had played before?
i am generally very proficient at taking down stronger scum players and less so at taking down weaker scum players
Couldnt tell you a specific game. some turbos and a mash or two?
Nice work lynching obvtown gnome
197 because I feel like with his attitude he wouldn't have had as much investment in my lynch as you two.
198 and 206 Oops mistake: I meant you (Rad), not Rum. This is what happens when I write stuff at 11pm.
I really feel like you're stifling me at this point Rad. Like, you're asking me a million questions and they're all about little things. I don't feel like you're trying to understand my motivations at all and that just makes me want to scream. On top of that it looks like you're on a death tunnel so if I was pronounced Town you'd still be thinking me scum. It's pinging me hard and you're going back down to neutral.Revoked as of 212, see below.Quick note about hydra G7: I basically ended up soloing due to RE not having enough time, but it also meant I didn't have much time either leaving me to be overwhelmed way too much. Means I was pretty defeatist from Day 2 onward. In that way I think only Day 1 is that applicable to games where I'm not overwhelmed.
Then 212 suddenly makes me feel better about Rad's alignment... actual comparing and evaluating. The 180 also really makes sense to me based on that game.
Tom reading me Town was probably always going to happen after the Hydra game. When you see someone as scum then the next one as Town it's just like: woah, they're Town.
Killjoy (3) - Rhand, RadiantCowbells, Lastwhisper
Lastwhisper (2) - ScarletCelestial, tomsloger
ScarletCelestial (1) - Rumanshi
Not Voting: Killjoy
Lastwhisper - 1808 MST, 1/20
RadiantCowbells - 2111 MST, 1/20
Rhand - 0448 MST, 1/19
Rumanshi - 2316 MST, 1/19
ScarletCelestial - 0023 MST, 1/21
tomsloger - 0100 MST, 1/21
Check done at 0205 MST on 1/21.
Rhand will be checked when I wake up this morning and may be prodded.
And how do you try to replicate it? Like, I guess what is your 'town game' then?
You don't think I'm trying to solve the game? I'm gonna need you to back that one up.
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Updated Opinions:
Rhand/Ruma no change.
tom: The thing about tom is I typically solve mafia a certain way, and that way involves audiance participation. Tom does not engage me in this participation. He ignores my questions and just basically goes out of his way to make my attempts to read him pretty much useless. I'm glad he told me this time he wasn't gonna answer and didn't just ignore me for forever.
Anyway, He's just gonna go hard into POE ONLY. He's a capable enough player that he can skate the line between scummy town and townie scum so trying to analyze him without a significant meta knowledge of him is similarly pointless. So, yeah. I'm just gonna read everyone around him and see where that goes.
Radiant: Him being more experianced kinda trounces my pure read on him. If he's played mafia enough he can fake that so that tell isn't relevent anymore. I have liked the posts he isolated from Scarlet insofar as his aims to analysis.
Scarlet: Like I said before, I liked RC's isolated posts with relevence to him. However, I'm getting that tingly feeling I got in Zero Escape with DawningBluePhraze. The language feels... natural. Like that's just how she talks in general... not just as scum. Another feeling I'm having here is that, from a gameflow perspective, there's a bit of a dogpile on a bit of meat feeling. Like, she's an easy target and I think scum are all over that. I'm guessing there's a scum on that wagon.
Like... I can see a world where she can be scum. Maybe I'm wrong about my feeling re: her language. I just... don't think I am.
Wisp: I've been getting a 'too scum to be scum' feeling here... but my feelings on the Scarlet and my wagons have made me rethink that. My wagon, btw, I feel like I have no idea where it came from and I'm town so there's probably also scum on that. The two who have been on both were Last and Radiant, but Radiant felt more natural about that. Last kinda feels to me like he doesn't really care which of us gets lynched.
There was also that time where he forgot he liked my wagon and that's why he's voting me now.That felt unnatural as *****.
A bit of worldbuilding:
Wisp and Radiant not scum together.
Wisp more likely scum on (town)Scarlet/my wagons because he's less natural.
Radiant/Scarlet maybeee not scum together? IDK how bad I wanna clear that team for Scarlet apperently not knowing Cowbells actual experiance.
Ruma/Rhand/Tom still fit in all scumteams. Actually... maybe not tom/Wisp? Tom WOULD bus, but at the same time he WOULDN'T. Its not out of character, but I think he would at least be hesitant?
I think Vote Wisp needs to happen.
And as usual, if something in this is unclear, ask. I suck at writing.
Should be caught op by tomorrow.
No, that was a comment on an action. It's a Town indicative action, but it's a weak indicator.
I've linked a few Town games of mine from the previous page, and said what my Town game is before, but just to reiterate: my Town game consists of me trying to solve the game through the methods of questioning and commenting, though it can include trying to do OK VCA and looking at interactions from Day 2 onward (I think it's also one of the reasons I look Townier Day 2 onward, I can actually start using the wide array of tools available to me). As Town, this means that I can be much more insightful than I am as scum, because as scum I can only really scum read my scumbuddies unless someone else is SUPER scummy.
My style and type of questions I ask vary wildly, as does my participation if I can't keep up so neither of those are AI for me. It's more about trying to work out if I look like I'm thinking or not, which is not too difficult, and as I said before there is a massive tonal gap as a result.
It may be early, but I'm saying this now, I won't be claiming my role, it's pointless day 1, and if they have a claim vig, I either die n1, or they wine me