I agreed on slightly townie, but it went down as u posted more, maybe it's your tone?
tbf I haven't really got anything to be bothered about yet so my tone would obviously have a large shift due to the difference in content - I think the both of us are more used to seeing me as overly serious in Mafia games. Pretty hard to be serious when the conversation is about a parakeet who is reading me as scum and that's the only topic of conversation.
Yet still, I was able to gain a first impression of his alignment from it. I also think you're Town from how you're acting, but that's more because tonally you're being very energetic and raring to go so again it's a semi-reliable first impression read.
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@Scarlet
It's just how I think, I am constantly re-evaluating my reads
When stuff comes into my mind I just post it...
Also his slight town read on you, could be W/W, if the chance he or you ever flip scum, maybe at least, worlds are never set and stone for me, since most of the time it just leads to mislynches
@Scarlet
It's just how I think, I am constantly re-evaluating my reads
When stuff comes into my mind I just post it...
Also his slight town read on you, could be W/W, if the chance he or you ever flip scum, maybe at least, worlds are never set and stone for me, since most of the time it just leads to mislynches
That's... not really my question? It's like, at this point there's only really me and him talking, so really there's only two worlds to consider, so it's more beneficial in my mind to try and figure us out individually at this point? It's not a critique of the method, but using the method at this point in time.
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"Is it possible to be tsundere towards friends and family?"
I hate how you keep coming to me for validation...
I'd rather here from other people at this point
Uh... this is the only the second time, the first serious the second a joke? On top of that it is stuff only you'd know out of the playerbase so... sorry for the necessary pointing?
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"Is it possible to be tsundere towards friends and family?"
And well I'd like to speak to other people too or at least see how they react to this mess but it's only us here right now. My laptop is dying as well so soon it's just going to be you.
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"Is it possible to be tsundere towards friends and family?"
Wanting to kill ruma before he has to townread him
That reaction to cowbells
The extremely lipservicey tinfoil team read that he clearly doesnt believe
Only believable stance he has is wanting to kill me because he cant read me and even that just puts the ruma reasons at stark contrast
Toms locking me as scum, if not for the fact that he scum read me as scum, in Amrock's large turbo, would make me think he is town... uggh
He is just being bad town as per usual when it comes to reading me, or he is just scum, idk yet
@Tom
do you think Cowbells/Me is a thing?
As it stands Ruma is scum, I have my meta on him, and until he proves me wrong, he is lock scum... you can hate my reasons, thats fine, but this is my town game...
Honestly I've have yet to recall you putting such deep seeded reasons into why I am just scum
If by some bull***** that I actually get lynched today, as it stands right now, I would like to believe Tom is just town
Scum!tom has literally no reason to bury me, because in all of his scum games against me, he has managed to pocket me... though idk if that has changed because of my first post...
Scarlet could be scum, but im not confident yet in anything, I still need more time, and more posts from everyone else to continue to re-evaluate this game
@Tom
Evaluate my stance on Ruma alone, and not in comparison with my read on you, exactly why is it bad? if you are playing this down to me just trying to push possible low hanging fruit, then big ******* yikes...
Toms locking me as scum, if not for the fact that he scum read me as scum, in Amrock's large turbo, would make me think he is town... uggh
He is just being bad town as per usual when it comes to reading me, or he is just scum, idk yet
@Tom
do you think Cowbells/Me is a thing?
As it stands Ruma is scum, I have my meta on him, and until he proves me wrong, he is lock scum... you can hate my reasons, thats fine, but this is my town game...
Honestly I've have yet to recall you putting such deep seeded reasons into why I am just scum
If by some bull***** that I actually get lynched today, as it stands right now, I would like to believe Tom is just town
Scum!tom has literally no reason to bury me, because in all of his scum games against me, he has managed to pocket me... though idk if that has changed because of my first post...
Scarlet could be scum, but im not confident yet in anything, I still need more time, and more posts from everyone else to continue to re-evaluate this game
Per your own argument, you can easily read me. You stated in the same set of posts that we should lynch me early anyway. Where the **** does that make sense as town?
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
Toms locking me as scum, if not for the fact that he scum read me as scum, in Amrock's large turbo, would make me think he is town... uggh
He is just being bad town as per usual when it comes to reading me, or he is just scum, idk yet
@Tom
do you think Cowbells/Me is a thing?
As it stands Ruma is scum, I have my meta on him, and until he proves me wrong, he is lock scum... you can hate my reasons, thats fine, but this is my town game...
Honestly I've have yet to recall you putting such deep seeded reasons into why I am just scum
If by some bull***** that I actually get lynched today, as it stands right now, I would like to believe Tom is just town
Scum!tom has literally no reason to bury me, because in all of his scum games against me, he has managed to pocket me... though idk if that has changed because of my first post...
Scarlet could be scum, but im not confident yet in anything, I still need more time, and more posts from everyone else to continue to re-evaluate this game
Per your own argument, you can easily read me. You stated in the same set of posts that we should lynch me early anyway. Where the **** does that make sense as town?
1. Because town or scum, you wont do anything, that is intended shade
2. and I need you to ******* react to things, for my meta read to be evaluated, if you float by the posts per day, than you are just scum and should always be lynched
3. Thats why I vote you today either way, if you never do anything, than its just a ******* hit
4. How does contradicting myself make me not town? if you wanna even believe that, than that just makes me town in all worlds... and im not contradicting anything, I can easily read you and I stand by that
Toms locking me as scum, if not for the fact that he scum read me as scum, in Amrock's large turbo, would make me think he is town... uggh
He is just being bad town as per usual when it comes to reading me, or he is just scum, idk yet
@Tom
do you think Cowbells/Me is a thing?
As it stands Ruma is scum, I have my meta on him, and until he proves me wrong, he is lock scum... you can hate my reasons, thats fine, but this is my town game...
Honestly I've have yet to recall you putting such deep seeded reasons into why I am just scum
If by some bull***** that I actually get lynched today, as it stands right now, I would like to believe Tom is just town
Scum!tom has literally no reason to bury me, because in all of his scum games against me, he has managed to pocket me... though idk if that has changed because of my first post...
Scarlet could be scum, but im not confident yet in anything, I still need more time, and more posts from everyone else to continue to re-evaluate this game
Per your own argument, you can easily read me. You stated in the same set of posts that we should lynch me early anyway. Where the **** does that make sense as town?
1. Because town or scum, you wont do anything, that is intended shade
2. and I need you to ******* react to things, for my meta read to be evaluated, if you float by the posts per day, than you are just scum and should always be lynched
3. Thats why I vote you today either way, if you never do anything, than its just a ******* hit
4. How does contradicting myself make me not town? if you wanna even believe that, than that just makes me town in all worlds... and im not contradicting anything, I can easily read you and I stand by that
1. I think you've made some mistake here?
2. Well that just makes you not know my meta properly, but sure. Whatever. I'll accept that's what you think. It's wrong.
3. ??? You've really misinterpreted me if that's what you think.
4. If you can easily read me, you shouldn't have the need of lynching quick. It just doesn't read well.
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
1. did I? I offer you to prove me wrong
2. I do know your meta very well
3. What did I misintepret?
4. I guess? Theres a reason why I think like this, and a little bit of reaction testing
@riku
you have any opinions on everything thats happened so far?
No, cause I think the start of day 1 is generally town who have no idea what they are doing, and scum who try and lead the narrative. As usual, I think that page 3 is generally where the town start to have a clue and the scum fall off. In that little area, you can set traps for scum, but before that I don't believe I, or anyone else, can actually find a decent reason for people to be scum.
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
@riku
you have any opinions on everything thats happened so far?
No, cause I think the start of day 1 is generally town who have no idea what they are doing, and scum who try and lead the narrative. As usual, I think that page 3 is generally where the town start to have a clue and the scum fall off. In that little area, you can set traps for scum, but before that I don't believe I, or anyone else, can actually find a decent reason for people to be scum.
so with ur first statement, you dont get those feelings about anyone???
Lastwhisper have you considered Tom is trying to bury you because he's concerned that, with my certainty that SC is scum, I'm going to end up leading a wagon there eventually and that it's better for him to quickly go after lynchbait (you) and make that a thing before I start leading on SC
because his push on you feels spectacularly overblown. you feel like lynchbait. tom feels like he should be smart enough to realize that a lot of the things he's scumreading you for aren't AI. but he's pushing them is AI anyway and in a way that sounds 'spicy' and 'sensational' but doesn't say a whole lot.
@RadiantCowbell
No one has ever managed to bury me, I have yet to be mislynched outside of any site but MU, he, as scum doesnt, go that route, it is easier to pocket me than push me if he's scum
and like this extremely self important 'this is not what scum him would do!!!' isn't gonna help you find scum
you don't know what he's actually thinking. you don't know what's motivating his decisions.
i think his push feeling played up is a far reliable indicator of his alignment than your guesses as to 'what scum him would do'
Hm.
What does that tell you about the two people on my wagon, tom and Rhand?
vote: Tom
with no information as of yet to move my leans around, I would say Riku or Tom should die today as of right now, because Tom is hard to evaluate, and Riku will just be wine for the town even tho I find it relatively easy to read him..
Is this a serious vote?
Tom IS hard to evaluate, but I don't think he deserves to die because of it. Logistically I'd place it up there with lynching lurkers in that it doesn't tell us much in relation to other people.
And what is your history with Rumanishi? Is this a meta thing?
EWP: You mention some meta here. Can you expand?
----------------------------------- RC: Hi. Welcome to MTGS. I don't know you yet. Do you enjoy playing as town or scum? And why? Scarlet: I vaguely recall seeing you around here in games, though I'm sure we've never played together. My question for you is this: As scum, what do you do to appear town? Tom: Talk to me more about why last is scum. I see what you're saying here, but having played with him before I also kind of... don't think it'll be this easy? He's doing like. a lot of scum things.
But as scum, would he not TRY to appear town? Is that not a thing he would do? Ruma: Firstly, your sig says you prefer Riku. Do you mind if I call you that?
Second, I asked LW about meta experiance with you. Can you talk to me about it from your POV?
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Opinions so far:
Radiant might actually be crazy? I'm kinda purereading him a lot of what he's saying seems to come literally from nowhere so IDK how I can really properly assess his motives? Like, he's being pure but is it scumpure or townpure? *shrug*
Last, again, seems scummy but there's more to unpack here.
Tom is tomtastically tom-adjacent.
For everyone else, I don't think enough has happened quite yet. Stay tuned.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
and like this extremely self important 'this is not what scum him would do!!!' isn't gonna help you find scum
you don't know what he's actually thinking. you don't know what's motivating his decisions.
i think his push feeling played up is a far reliable indicator of his alignment than your guesses as to 'what scum him would do'
w/e im tired, going to sleep... as of right now, he isnt someone i'd want to lynch today...
As it stands Ruma is scum, I have my meta on him, and until he proves me wrong, he is lock scum... you can hate my reasons, thats fine, but this is my town game...
essentially my thoughts on cowbells is they just look alone. I mean theres the parakeet but otherwise nothing. Like its their full vibe.
So ruma just defaults to scum until he proves otherwise? Any glimmers in this back and forth?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Toms locking me as scum, if not for the fact that he scum read me as scum, in Amrock's large turbo, would make me think he is town... uggh
He is just being bad town as per usual when it comes to reading me, or he is just scum, idk yet
@Tom
do you think Cowbells/Me is a thing?
As it stands Ruma is scum, I have my meta on him, and until he proves me wrong, he is lock scum... you can hate my reasons, thats fine, but this is my town game...
Honestly I've have yet to recall you putting such deep seeded reasons into why I am just scum
If by some bull***** that I actually get lynched today, as it stands right now, I would like to believe Tom is just town
Scum!tom has literally no reason to bury me, because in all of his scum games against me, he has managed to pocket me... though idk if that has changed because of my first post...
Scarlet could be scum, but im not confident yet in anything, I still need more time, and more posts from everyone else to continue to re-evaluate this game
Hedges, hedges everywhere. Goddamnit Wisp, give me a solid opinion on something which doesn't have the words "they might be, but could be" and sounds like 50/50 bets!
76 makes me want to scream. I can follow the logic but ultimately the premises are what is flawed: a priori, deductive logic right there. I'm not going to bother critiquing them as Rum has already done it and I do think they don't accurately reflect Rum as I have played with them. The fourth premise however I agree with Wisp on: I don't think it's contradiction with the way he's been explaining it, and it makes sense in a Wisp-y sort of way.
80 I don't really agree with the philosophy of it, but it seems to be something believed in.
Don't have anything to say on Killjoy or Tom yet, besides that 71 is very surface level imo and makes me facepalm.
OK I'm going to try rewording my question to Rad: besides sheeping your parakeet why do you think I could be scum?
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I was simply world building, that's where my scum lean on you came from
tbf I haven't really got anything to be bothered about yet so my tone would obviously have a large shift due to the difference in content - I think the both of us are more used to seeing me as overly serious in Mafia games. Pretty hard to be serious when the conversation is about a parakeet who is reading me as scum and that's the only topic of conversation.
Yet still, I was able to gain a first impression of his alignment from it. I also think you're Town from how you're acting, but that's more because tonally you're being very energetic and raring to go so again it's a semi-reliable first impression read.
How can you world build when only three people other than yourself have posted more than once, and one of them was Tom who posted twice?
It's just how I think, I am constantly re-evaluating my reads
When stuff comes into my mind I just post it...
Also his slight town read on you, could be W/W, if the chance he or you ever flip scum, maybe at least, worlds are never set and stone for me, since most of the time it just leads to mislynches
@_@
That's... not really my question? It's like, at this point there's only really me and him talking, so really there's only two worlds to consider, so it's more beneficial in my mind to try and figure us out individually at this point? It's not a critique of the method, but using the method at this point in time.
Yes. After he said his parakeet had a scumread on me. And I questioned it for ages. His parakeet still scumreads me.
(This is why I am also currently questioning Rad's sanity)
Oi. I'm supposed to be the tsundere here. That's my thing. Just ask Wisp.
I'd rather here from other people at this point
I would like to hear from others but I would also like to ***** post
Uh... this is the only the second time, the first serious the second a joke? On top of that it is stuff only you'd know out of the playerbase so... sorry for the necessary pointing?
Wanting to kill ruma before he has to townread him
That reaction to cowbells
The extremely lipservicey tinfoil team read that he clearly doesnt believe
Only believable stance he has is wanting to kill me because he cant read me and even that just puts the ruma reasons at stark contrast
I am ready to end the day.
He is just being bad town as per usual when it comes to reading me, or he is just scum, idk yet
@Tom
do you think Cowbells/Me is a thing?
As it stands Ruma is scum, I have my meta on him, and until he proves me wrong, he is lock scum... you can hate my reasons, thats fine, but this is my town game...
Honestly I've have yet to recall you putting such deep seeded reasons into why I am just scum
If by some bull***** that I actually get lynched today, as it stands right now, I would like to believe Tom is just town
Scum!tom has literally no reason to bury me, because in all of his scum games against me, he has managed to pocket me... though idk if that has changed because of my first post...
Scarlet could be scum, but im not confident yet in anything, I still need more time, and more posts from everyone else to continue to re-evaluate this game
Evaluate my stance on Ruma alone, and not in comparison with my read on you, exactly why is it bad? if you are playing this down to me just trying to push possible low hanging fruit, then big ******* yikes...
Per your own argument, you can easily read me. You stated in the same set of posts that we should lynch me early anyway. Where the **** does that make sense as town?
1. Because town or scum, you wont do anything, that is intended shade
2. and I need you to ******* react to things, for my meta read to be evaluated, if you float by the posts per day, than you are just scum and should always be lynched
3. Thats why I vote you today either way, if you never do anything, than its just a ******* hit
4. How does contradicting myself make me not town? if you wanna even believe that, than that just makes me town in all worlds... and im not contradicting anything, I can easily read you and I stand by that
1. I think you've made some mistake here?
2. Well that just makes you not know my meta properly, but sure. Whatever. I'll accept that's what you think. It's wrong.
3. ??? You've really misinterpreted me if that's what you think.
4. If you can easily read me, you shouldn't have the need of lynching quick. It just doesn't read well.
2. I do know your meta very well
3. What did I misintepret?
4. I guess? Theres a reason why I think like this, and a little bit of reaction testing
you have any opinions on everything thats happened so far?
No, cause I think the start of day 1 is generally town who have no idea what they are doing, and scum who try and lead the narrative. As usual, I think that page 3 is generally where the town start to have a clue and the scum fall off. In that little area, you can set traps for scum, but before that I don't believe I, or anyone else, can actually find a decent reason for people to be scum.
anyways, we do need to see more, im out for now
Town: LW
Slight leantown: Rumanshi
Leanscum: Tom
Obvscum: Scarlet Celestial
need the remaining 2 to step in
because his push on you feels spectacularly overblown. you feel like lynchbait. tom feels like he should be smart enough to realize that a lot of the things he's scumreading you for aren't AI. but he's pushing them is AI anyway and in a way that sounds 'spicy' and 'sensational' but doesn't say a whole lot.
ScarletCelestial (2) - Rumanshi, RadiantCowbells
Lastwhisper (2) - ScarletCelestial, tomsloger
Killjoy (1) - Rhand
Rhand (1) - Killjoy
tomsloger (1) - Lastwhisper
Lastwhisper - 2322 MST, 1/19
RadiantCowbells - 2354 MST, 1/19
Rhand - 0448 MST, 1/19
Rumanshi - 2316 MST, 1/19
ScarletCelestial - 1430 MST, 1/19
tomsloger - 2209 MST, 1/19
Check done at 0011 MST on 1/20
No one has ever managed to bury me, I have yet to be mislynched outside of any site but MU, he, as scum doesnt, go that route, it is easier to pocket me than push me if he's scum
you don't know what he's actually thinking. you don't know what's motivating his decisions.
i think his push feeling played up is a far reliable indicator of his alignment than your guesses as to 'what scum him would do'
Hm.
What does that tell you about the two people on my wagon, tom and Rhand?
Is this a serious vote?
Tom IS hard to evaluate, but I don't think he deserves to die because of it. Logistically I'd place it up there with lynching lurkers in that it doesn't tell us much in relation to other people.
And what is your history with Rumanishi? Is this a meta thing?
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RC: Hi. Welcome to MTGS. I don't know you yet. Do you enjoy playing as town or scum? And why?
Scarlet: I vaguely recall seeing you around here in games, though I'm sure we've never played together. My question for you is this: As scum, what do you do to appear town?
Tom: Talk to me more about why last is scum. I see what you're saying here, but having played with him before I also kind of... don't think it'll be this easy? He's doing like. a lot of scum things.
But as scum, would he not TRY to appear town? Is that not a thing he would do?
Ruma: Firstly, your sig says you prefer Riku. Do you mind if I call you that?
Second, I asked LW about meta experiance with you. Can you talk to me about it from your POV?
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Radiant might actually be crazy? I'm kinda purereading him a lot of what he's saying seems to come literally from nowhere so IDK how I can really properly assess his motives? Like, he's being pure but is it scumpure or townpure? *shrug*
Last, again, seems scummy but there's more to unpack here.
Tom is tomtastically tom-adjacent.
For everyone else, I don't think enough has happened quite yet. Stay tuned.
So ruma just defaults to scum until he proves otherwise? Any glimmers in this back and forth?
Hedges, hedges everywhere. Goddamnit Wisp, give me a solid opinion on something which doesn't have the words "they might be, but could be" and sounds like 50/50 bets!
76 makes me want to scream. I can follow the logic but ultimately the premises are what is flawed: a priori, deductive logic right there. I'm not going to bother critiquing them as Rum has already done it and I do think they don't accurately reflect Rum as I have played with them. The fourth premise however I agree with Wisp on: I don't think it's contradiction with the way he's been explaining it, and it makes sense in a Wisp-y sort of way.
80 I don't really agree with the philosophy of it, but it seems to be something believed in.
Don't have anything to say on Killjoy or Tom yet, besides that 71 is very surface level imo and makes me facepalm.
OK I'm going to try rewording my question to Rad: besides sheeping your parakeet why do you think I could be scum?
Great burn and all, but I wouldn't say it excuses you. Nice deflection, try again.
Its definitely not as locked in as everyone thinks, which is what happens when one says stuff like "ready to end the day", but best ive got rn
Sure then, but tbf it was kinda obvious your tone was joking.