Osi these are two week days. We are losing sight of nothing. Seriously no need to keep anyone in range.
That being said all three of lngrrr vezok and ka can feel free to claim.
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I can get behind this as well. Anak/Osi/Vez/[1 of LnG/RE/KA] seems to work nicely.
Chris is a near IC, as are Rod, and KJ for me (I realize that his knowing my flavor isn't as 100% compelling to everyone else). Tom is very likely to be town, as is Highroller. That only leaves 7 question marks.
Of those 7 I feel solidly about Tubba and okayish about Vaimes.
KA, Vez, LnG, Osi, RE. If there aren't two scum in that 5 I'll be shocked.
KA and RE are 100% not aligned btw. KA trying to shade RE for not being on anak eod was Transparent overcaring. The lynch was decided RE's vote waa not an indicator.
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All of these wagons could be scum. Think the kami wagon was pretty ***** but thats more about who was on it than kami himself.
At its peak today:
Kami (5): LnGrr, Anak, gj, vezok, dv
Gonna pull up some other peak wagons hold on
Kami still looking like the easy push for scum to me, but chris did have a point that few of those votes stuck
Meh
Still more likely town than osi/vez or any of lngrr/tubba/vaimes/re
Osi these are two week days. We are losing sight of nothing. Seriously no need to keep anyone in range.
That being said all three of lngrrr vezok and ka can feel free to claim.
Fair.
I think I'd kinda mostly convinced myself out of scumreading LnGrrrR before Rodemy's claim. (There's also the possibility that there were either two kills or that one of you or Rodemy is lying, of which I tend to believe him here...)
Or rodemy blocked lngr and regardless of his alignment someone else sent the kill in on me.
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Osi is never scum here lmao.
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Or rodemy blocked lngr and regardless of his alignment someone else sent the kill in on me.
....
True.
I'mma go back and ISO LnGrrrR again later tonight.
What are your thoughts on Mindreaver's posting? I don't trust any read I have on that slot right now because I know that I have a soft-spot for Mindreaver effort-posting.
Chris im tired of arguing with you,
But having fully cooled down osi is still solidly 50% wolf, maybe even just above rand if vezok is scum tbh. But youre still townreading the slot for really naive/contextless/etc reasons even if youre right, and i think i dug my heels in a bit yesterday because of it.
youre still townreading the slot for really naive/contextless/etc reasons even if youre right
What about his reasons are naive/contextless? I'll even give you that you've explained your own reads satisfactorily (I guess), but what's so wrong about his reads? I'll dive back into your posts right after I get some food to see if you posted something concrete against Chris's read, but if you could just explain straight outside of the context of your own read, that would be much appreciated.
Next most likely is lngrr, tubba, vaimes, re in approximately that order
Kami highroller possible, but reasons to think otherwise
Towncore chris/rod and (i suppose) grape/kj
Pretty happy to just kill through that. Very little reason to have wagons other than osi and vez today. If we hit scum throw the other in the next pool down. And im not that opposed to kami being i that group either.
Or rodemy blocked lngr and regardless of his alignment someone else sent the kill in on me.
....
True.
I'mma go back and ISO LnGrrrR again later tonight.
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LnGrrrR is fine by me for many reasons.
Rodemy, I'm somewhat sad at your actions.
I'm thinking that's a scumslip from osie.
Town osie, on evaluating Mind's slot, would be expected to see that Mind = Anak and is already flipped.
Scum osie would be expected to know Mind = Anak, a former scumbuddy.
Buuut osie replaced after Anak, right? Therefore plausibly didn't check back and realize Anak-buddy used to be Mind.
LnGrrrR is fine by me for many reasons.
Rodemy, I'm somewhat sad at your actions.
I'm thinking that's a scumslip from osie.
Town osie, on evaluating Mind's slot, would be expected to see that Mind = Anak and is already flipped.
Scum osie would be expected to know Mind = Anak, a former scumbuddy.
Buuut osie replaced after Anak, right? Therefore plausibly didn't check back and realize Anak-buddy used to be Mind.
It makes little sense for scum!osie to not know who's been on his scumteam. I'd be surprised if Mindreaver wasn't brought up in the scum chat, whether by name or through his own messages.
That said, probably should check Osie's old posts to see if he treats the two as separate slots or not.
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its not a fall though? Hr is the same place, tubba/kami joined him because i have enough people im negative on
Dont really understand your eyebrow furrowing though its more clerical than anything else. Would prolly say kami is actually uo with highroller and tubba is lower than the two but i still didnt want to put him the next one down?
Still standing by it. Though the only important move to me was vaimes down
Meh... It probably doesn't matter but like I'm pretty sure that's a contradiction. Like HR had always been higher in your reads than KA and Tubba and if he didn't fall and they didn't rise having them together doesn't add up. But again, pretty sure Osie is just scum and it doesn't matter.
no contradiction at all!
Be me
Move vaimes down
Move vezok down
Decide its cleaner and feels righter to combine chris/rod with grapejoy
Do the same for highroller and the two below
Briefly consider moving tubba down or giving him his own tier
Decide to just not color the middle because its muddy
All of this with far less thought than you've given my choice lol
its not a fall though? Hr is the same place, tubba/kami joined him because i have enough people im negative on
Dont really understand your eyebrow furrowing though its more clerical than anything else. Would prolly say kami is actually uo with highroller and tubba is lower than the two but i still didnt want to put him the next one down?
Still standing by it. Though the only important move to me was vaimes down
[quote from="tomsloger »" url="/forums/community-forums/mafia/805970-death-in-the-family-day-3-no-news-is-good-news?comment=2423"]no contradiction at all!
Be me
Move vaimes down
Move vezok down
Decide its cleaner and feels righter to combine chris/rod with grapejoy
Do the same for highroller and the two below
Briefly consider moving tubba down or giving him his own tier
Decide to just not color the middle because its muddy
All of this with far less thought than you've given my choice lol
Grape worlds where an Osi scum team kills me last night? Dont see it. I think the attempt on me should clear Osi tbh
Yes your death let's me and tom run wild trying to kill Osie but NK intentionality is always murky. If they felt you were a PR they might have felt it outweighed your defense of Osie. They might have thought he could wield your dead read effectively enough to fight off our attempts to kill him because you were a bigger threat. Like there are always a million variables that go into a NK and before getting into your read and it's reflection on Osie I'm stopping at you would scare any team, even one with Osie on it.
But you're right and that's why Osie can wait till the rest of the PoE goes. LnG, Vez, KA are all coming before him.
Anyway time to eat my crow on Mindreaver... I'm a sucker for reasonable sounding walls.
Grape worlds where an Osi scum team kills me last night? Dont see it. I think the attempt on me should clear Osi tbh
Yes your death let's me and tom run wild trying to kill Osie but NK intentionality is always murky. If they felt you were a PR they might have felt it outweighed your defense of Osie. They might have thought he could wield your dead read effectively enough to fight off our attempts to kill him because you were a bigger threat. Like there are always a million variables that go into a NK and before getting into your read and it's reflection on Osie I'm stopping at you would scare any team, even one with Osie on it.
But you're right and that's why Osie can wait till the rest of the PoE goes. LnG, Vez, KA are all coming before him.
Anyway time to eat my crow on Mindreaver... I'm a sucker for reasonable sounding walls.
I always push to kill in Tom/KJ/Grape here. Usually the best scumkills are following a simple strategy but trying to still generate wine. Chris is a next-level kill that I might consider, but in the end there's too many better choices given that I would be thinking of the game from the perspective of having pocketed Chris in that scenario.
Osi these are two week days. We are losing sight of nothing. Seriously no need to keep anyone in range.
That being said all three of lngrrr vezok and ka can feel free to claim.
Fair.
I think I'd kinda mostly convinced myself out of scumreading LnGrrrR before Rodemy's claim. (There's also the possibility that there were either two kills or that one of you or Rodemy is lying, of which I tend to believe him here...)
@Osie that's all wine though and assumes you had the deciding vote. Chris is right that it's a very good look for you. But it's not clearing.
And yeah I mean that thing. It's really weird that your first thought isn't to jump to Rod blocking someone who didn't perform the kill. Not in an alignment indicative way just a weird thought to have. I want to (over)read into as you attempting to pretend you didn't know that LnG didn't attempt to kill. But it could be town having a reaction to new information I find unnatural.
Anyway let's get more Vez votes. His reactions late yesterday were not townie in the slightest
Ohhh yeah and Osie my Tubba read is basically me (with much less credibility) making a similar read to the one chris made on you.
Anak-Mindreaver slot is Lock!town because of Mindreaver being awesome.
I.. don't really know what to make of this.
I think it's NAI? Since if he knew it at one point, then it's far more likely he just forgot, which can happen to any alignment.
Unless it was an attempt at a fake derp, but that seems really dumb to do without checking THE first post you made in the game?
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@Osie that's all wine though and assumes you had the deciding vote. Chris is right that it's a very good look for you. But it's not clearing.
And yeah I mean that thing. It's really weird that your first thought isn't to jump to Rod blocking someone who didn't perform the kill. Not in an alignment indicative way just a weird thought to have. I want to (over)read into as you attempting to pretend you didn't know that LnG didn't attempt to kill. But it could be town having a reaction to new information I find unnatural.
Anyway let's get more Vez votes. His reactions late yesterday were not townie in the slightest
Ohhh yeah and Osie my Tubba read is basically me (with much less credibility) making a similar read to the one chris made on you.
I usually trust confirmable roles over non-confirmable roles. That's pretty standard IMO?
@Osie that's all wine though and assumes you had the deciding vote. Chris is right that it's a very good look for you. But it's not clearing.
And yeah I mean that thing. It's really weird that your first thought isn't to jump to Rod blocking someone who didn't perform the kill. Not in an alignment indicative way just a weird thought to have. I want to (over)read into as you attempting to pretend you didn't know that LnG didn't attempt to kill. But it could be town having a reaction to new information I find unnatural.
Anyway let's get more Vez votes. His reactions late yesterday were not townie in the slightest
Ohhh yeah and Osie my Tubba read is basically me (with much less credibility) making a similar read to the one chris made on you.
I usually trust confirmable roles over non-confirmable roles. That's pretty standard IMO?
Okay, sorry about the derp. It's been a long week.
Where I was going that with my follow-up question is now that Mindreaver-slot is flipped, what do you think of people's reads on that slot? Specifically Tom in particular.
Scum tom giving away the day chat and role backup seems unlikely.
But if he continues to pursue you today my patience will wear thin. It seems he is coming around q littke to other priorities which fits in line with town tom
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@Osie that's all wine though and assumes you had the deciding vote. Chris is right that it's a very good look for you. But it's not clearing.
And yeah I mean that thing. It's really weird that your first thought isn't to jump to Rod blocking someone who didn't perform the kill. Not in an alignment indicative way just a weird thought to have. I want to (over)read into as you attempting to pretend you didn't know that LnG didn't attempt to kill. But it could be town having a reaction to new information I find unnatural.
Anyway let's get more Vez votes. His reactions late yesterday were not townie in the slightest
Ohhh yeah and Osie my Tubba read is basically me (with much less credibility) making a similar read to the one chris made on you.
I usually trust confirmable roles over non-confirmable roles. That's pretty standard IMO?
Sure but why the jump to assume one must not be true? Especially when the second one to speak is a source you were already town reading. Your default assumption of "there must be a lie in here" doesn't feel natural to me.
There was no reason to not trust either claim in the context of today.
@Osie that's all wine though and assumes you had the deciding vote. Chris is right that it's a very good look for you. But it's not clearing.
And yeah I mean that thing. It's really weird that your first thought isn't to jump to Rod blocking someone who didn't perform the kill. Not in an alignment indicative way just a weird thought to have. I want to (over)read into as you attempting to pretend you didn't know that LnG didn't attempt to kill. But it could be town having a reaction to new information I find unnatural.
Anyway let's get more Vez votes. His reactions late yesterday were not townie in the slightest
Ohhh yeah and Osie my Tubba read is basically me (with much less credibility) making a similar read to the one chris made on you.
I usually trust confirmable roles over non-confirmable roles. That's pretty standard IMO?
Sure but why the jump to assume one must not be true? Especially when the second one to speak is a source you were already town reading. Your default assumption of "there must be a lie in here" doesn't feel natural to me.
There was no reason to not trust either claim in the context of today.
More so I believe rodemy but dont want to lynch lgrr on flawed info
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Like it's a thing, and if true an explicitly townie thought process as scum would never think it. My paranoia is that it feels so unnaturual that I don't really believe you had it and that you were scum trying to fake a townie confused reaction.
But that is an absolutely idiotic thing to read someone over, and isn't really productive to further discuss. Anyway I'm happy to have more votes on Vez.
I don't believe Sir Chris. There's too much protection flying around. Rodemy claimed jailkeeper, sir chris claimed bulletproof.
I'm a roleblocker. I blocked tom night 1 (that's why my read evolved. He didn't make the kill and he didn't really seem fazed by it) and surprise, surprise I blocked osie last night.
What does osie do today first thing? Vote me without a reason. He's scared because his kill got blocked.
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I would be willing to switch to Vezok, though.
I saw. I still think the slot is best in range, so that we don't lose sight of it here unless we're sure that we're switching to Vezok.
That being said all three of lngrrr vezok and ka can feel free to claim.
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KA + Vez. Easy.
Why so solid on Tubba?
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Kami still looking like the easy push for scum to me, but chris did have a point that few of those votes stuck
Meh
Still more likely town than osi/vez or any of lngrr/tubba/vaimes/re
Fair.
I think I'd kinda mostly convinced myself out of scumreading LnGrrrR before Rodemy's claim. (There's also the possibility that there were either two kills or that one of you or Rodemy is lying, of which I tend to believe him here...)
....
Osi is never scum here lmao.
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True.
I'mma go back and ISO LnGrrrR again later tonight.
What are your thoughts on Mindreaver's posting? I don't trust any read I have on that slot right now because I know that I have a soft-spot for Mindreaver effort-posting.
But having fully cooled down osi is still solidly 50% wolf, maybe even just above rand if vezok is scum tbh. But youre still townreading the slot for really naive/contextless/etc reasons even if youre right, and i think i dug my heels in a bit yesterday because of it.
Still making the two of them my bottom tier
What about his reasons are naive/contextless? I'll even give you that you've explained your own reads satisfactorily (I guess), but what's so wrong about his reads? I'll dive back into your posts right after I get some food to see if you posted something concrete against Chris's read, but if you could just explain straight outside of the context of your own read, that would be much appreciated.
Next most likely is lngrr, tubba, vaimes, re in approximately that order
Kami highroller possible, but reasons to think otherwise
Towncore chris/rod and (i suppose) grape/kj
Pretty happy to just kill through that. Very little reason to have wagons other than osi and vez today. If we hit scum throw the other in the next pool down. And im not that opposed to kami being i that group either.
But only among those two for today
Have fun
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Rodemy, I'm somewhat sad at your actions.
I'm thinking that's a scumslip from osie.
Town osie, on evaluating Mind's slot, would be expected to see that Mind = Anak and is already flipped.
Scum osie would be expected to know Mind = Anak, a former scumbuddy.
Buuut osie replaced after Anak, right? Therefore plausibly didn't check back and realize Anak-buddy used to be Mind.
That said, probably should check Osie's old posts to see if he treats the two as separate slots or not.
no contradiction at all!
Be me
Move vaimes down
Move vezok down
Decide its cleaner and feels righter to combine chris/rod with grapejoy
Do the same for highroller and the two below
Briefly consider moving tubba down or giving him his own tier
Decide to just not color the middle because its muddy
All of this with far less thought than you've given my choice lol
But i guess i gave it some more too
So how bout
chris/rod/grapejoy
Highroller/kami
tubba
Vaimes/re
vez/lngrr
Anak/osi
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with this post just after them?
Why though?
Yes your death let's me and tom run wild trying to kill Osie but NK intentionality is always murky. If they felt you were a PR they might have felt it outweighed your defense of Osie. They might have thought he could wield your dead read effectively enough to fight off our attempts to kill him because you were a bigger threat. Like there are always a million variables that go into a NK and before getting into your read and it's reflection on Osie I'm stopping at you would scare any team, even one with Osie on it.
But you're right and that's why Osie can wait till the rest of the PoE goes. LnG, Vez, KA are all coming before him.
Anyway time to eat my crow on Mindreaver... I'm a sucker for reasonable sounding walls.
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Derp.
I always push to kill in Tom/KJ/Grape here. Usually the best scumkills are following a simple strategy but trying to still generate wine. Chris is a next-level kill that I might consider, but in the end there's too many better choices given that I would be thinking of the game from the perspective of having pocketed Chris in that scenario.
And I'm just not going to read into Osie not understanding how Rod and Chris' claims aren't contradictory.
I'm just not going to act on it despite thinking a ton about it.
I'm just not going to publicly use it as evidence despite it strongly impacting my thinking.
Not understanding? What the heck are you talking about?
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And yeah I mean that thing. It's really weird that your first thought isn't to jump to Rod blocking someone who didn't perform the kill. Not in an alignment indicative way just a weird thought to have. I want to (over)read into as you attempting to pretend you didn't know that LnG didn't attempt to kill. But it could be town having a reaction to new information I find unnatural.
Anyway let's get more Vez votes. His reactions late yesterday were not townie in the slightest
Ohhh yeah and Osie my Tubba read is basically me (with much less credibility) making a similar read to the one chris made on you.
I think it's NAI? Since if he knew it at one point, then it's far more likely he just forgot, which can happen to any alignment.
Unless it was an attempt at a fake derp, but that seems really dumb to do without checking THE first post you made in the game?
I usually trust confirmable roles over non-confirmable roles. That's pretty standard IMO?
Albeit Rodemy's is also a 1-shot, iirc.
Okay, sorry about the derp. It's been a long week.
Where I was going that with my follow-up question is now that Mindreaver-slot is flipped, what do you think of people's reads on that slot? Specifically Tom in particular.
But if he continues to pursue you today my patience will wear thin. It seems he is coming around q littke to other priorities which fits in line with town tom
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Devil’s advocate here, but the attempt on you is based solely on your word. It’s wifom anyways. Like gallons of it.
Sure but why the jump to assume one must not be true? Especially when the second one to speak is a source you were already town reading. Your default assumption of "there must be a lie in here" doesn't feel natural to me.
There was no reason to not trust either claim in the context of today.
Maybe I read into this a little more than necessary, but it sounded like a counterclaim intended to contradict.
My gut reaction was to believe Rodemy there, and then Chris's claim immediately looks less likely. It's possible, though.
Come to think of it, I'm more interested in seeing LnGrrrR respond to the accusations against him before he's lynched.
Vote: Vezokpiraka
Let's go for the worse slot for now.
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But that is an absolutely idiotic thing to read someone over, and isn't really productive to further discuss. Anyway I'm happy to have more votes on Vez.
I'm a roleblocker. I blocked tom night 1 (that's why my read evolved. He didn't make the kill and he didn't really seem fazed by it) and surprise, surprise I blocked osie last night.
What does osie do today first thing? Vote me without a reason. He's scared because his kill got blocked.
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Anyone else in Secret Agent Mafia feeling a sense of deja vu?
Also this.