I find it likely Tom is scum who got a day vig because we successfully lynched scum (the evil version of Vezok's condition) and also if he has a dayvig it is probably low EV to use it today as town. In a high powered setup much better to use it later on but since I think he is scum and is trying to "prove himself" then anyone who is not in my town confirm is fine.
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lastly, how is my vote an omgus, when you voted me after calling you out, and I only voted you because you confirmed yourself to be the person I was FoSing
ya that whole exchange is wolfy as *****
vote: Shadow
his macro play means literally nothing to me after all this
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
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A lot of it is me not knowing what kind of player Tom is. Whether he's the type to overthink it "Would scum ever make a post like that??" Or if he's more like me, where that'd be your last post, I wouldn't even ask for a claim at that point.
But then, even if I did know him very well, I'm not sure I'd roll those dice against anyone. So, regardless of how that works out for you, I respect the move
@KCC: is the type of player that will do literally anything regardless of alignment. He plays for his own enjoyment of the game regardless of anyone’s alignment.
@KCC: is the type of player that will do literally anything regardless of alignment. He plays for his own enjoyment of the game regardless of anyone’s alignment.
@KCC: is the type of player that will do literally anything regardless of alignment. He plays for his own enjoyment of the game regardless of anyone’s alignment.
I find it likely Tom is scum who got a day vig because we successfully lynched scum (the evil version of Vezok's condition) and also if he has a dayvig it is probably low EV to use it today as town. In a high powered setup much better to use it later on but since I think he is scum and is trying to "prove himself" then anyone who is not in my town confirm is fine.
Do you just come up with the worst justifications for why people can be scum for fun?
Hiding a day vig and not using it instantly is probably the dumbest play anyone can make.
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@KCC: is the type of player that will do literally anything regardless of alignment. He plays for his own enjoyment of the game regardless of anyone’s alignment.
Oh, that's perfect!
yeah, I love Tom.
@Last: you kept posting during your entire vla
1. yes I posted in real time whenever I had connection, but it was mostly quick skimming whatever was the newest page
2. this is literally nothing new one from me lol
Vezok why are you playing with such anger. Like, I don't get it. Today is a really good day for us to explore reads.
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'm going to make it my plan today to completely reread the last couple pages of D1 and examine how the votes moved back and forth between Az and Fuwa. In the meantime...
but then in 59 he doesn't acknowledge her response and says he agrees with her. There is something off about the way he approaches Fuwa in 59 as well... it's wishy-washy and feels like he's tossing a softball out there to see if anyone else picks it up and runs with it.
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I actually kind of agree with KCC re: Fuwa, though not for her reasons (KCC: I recall your pronoun being female. Am I correct? It's been a while).
I'm kinda feeling a weird overly innocent tone coming from Fuwa... but I'm not sure if that's just normal for them.
Everyone has either glossed over or ignored the other point I made against Killjoy in the post where I voted him. In 52, he uses a assertive tone toward KCC when he says "walk me through this". He wants an answer. Then, when KCC gives him one just a few posts later, he doesn't acknowledge it and just agrees with her re:Fuwa, with a "toss this out and see if it sticks" vibe.
Town. Actually getting upset when people don't pick up on his good reads. How many scum think to fake that kind of emotion?
You could be right... my only counter to that would be that the second Az quote came from his late-day posting, where he also called Killjoy "tonally town" and said we needed to take his word for it.
The next thing I'm looking at is how the votes shifted from Az to Fuwa in that very, very short period of time ~ 1 day from the deadline. And then the last thing would be to look closer at how Az got run up in the first place, but that's definitely another day.
Pre-Az claim, the vote count looked like this (this count was posted after the claim, but nothing had changed at that point yet):
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Azrael (7): Cantripmancer, KittyCupCake, Vaimes, Rhand, dkingsland967, vezokpiraka, shadowlancerx
shadowlancerx (4): Sir Chris, Azrael, killjoy, beeboy
tomsloger (2): Axelrod, Grapefruit21
Sir Chris (1): Fuwa
dkingsland967 (1): tomsloger
Abstain (1): Lastwhisper
With 16 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch..
With probably several people, myself included, having stated they were waiting to see what Az was going to say when he came back.
Post-claim I was the first one to say anything, and my initial, initial reaction was that I didn't want to lynch this claim. Seemed powerful, flavorful, useful if Az was Town. But I had questions, and even as I was typing my post I could feel something was wrong with it. Just didn't make sense as claimed, so I followed up, and didn't like the follow-up answers either.
Beeboy then said he was "falling" for the claim. Which might be an interesting choice of words.
Interestingly, Grapefruit's initial response is to call on a hypothetical vig. to shoot Az in the night.
Shadow expresses uncertainty, seeing that if we let the claim go, we would almost be committed to letting Az live until D3, which would be the earliest he could "prove" anything to us.
Dking expressed doubts, but for a weird reason in my opinion. He doesn't think the "Cop" shot Az claimed lines of with the "Flavor" of Karn. Of all the reasons to have problems with the claim, this...was not one of them. My spider sense is tingling a tiny bit here.
Vaimes fairly unequivocally disbelieved the claim. Even the part that was immediately provable, which seemed a little silly to me, but okay.
Vez also weighed in that he thought Az was lying.
Ditto Rhand.
Man, no one (except Beeboy?) has believed it yet. How did all the votes swing away? Inquiring minds want to know. But, once again, I gotta run. Back later.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Dking expressed doubts, but for a weird reason in my opinion. He doesn't think the "Cop" shot Az claimed lines of with the "Flavor" of Karn. Of all the reasons to have problems with the claim, this...was not one of them. My spider sense is tingling a tiny bit here.
This is either an intentional misrep, or you are not being thorough in your analysis. Neither is a good look.
I gave four reasons why I didn't believe Az's claim, and that post came before Vez's weigh-in so you have clearly read past it at this point.
I don't get lynched today, bet
It wont be the last and its not even the first time as town that I got pissed over a wolf lynch
Link to the last time that ever happened?
also lets even ignore that, what ******* benefit do I get for expressing my hate for a wolf lynch?
By having quirky reads and standards on principle that go against even your own supposed wincon, it helps camouflage reads that would otherwise be seen as questionable. But I believe you when you say you strongly dislike bad lunches even when they help your wincon.
You could be right... my only counter to that would be that the second Az quote came from his late-day posting, where he also called Killjoy "tonally town" and said we needed to take his word for it.
This is a fair point; I saw it as more likely to be Az trying to sow wifom and save time/effort by blanket agreeing with a general consensus read.
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Dont think theyre more likely scum than az, but definitely >rand after that popin and its the best counterwagon weve had.
Why did we need a counterwagon if, in your own words, Az was more likely to be scum? For that matter, why did we need a counterwagon at all?
- I didn't love Shadow's vote switch, but his 1152 is a pretty reasonable response to questioning.
- Cantrip's vote on Fuwa is... odd, especially after he kept defending her. Then 1165 feels like pre-emptive explanation in case anyone calls him on it. But he keeps posting stuff I like and agree with. If there is scum in my town reads, it's probably him, but I'm keeping him in blue for now.
Azreal did exactly what he needed to do as either a wolf or villager, and whoever stated that he stopped trying after his train died down, is literally just trying to blow smoke to get his train back up, especially when Azreal stated he can't play like he used to
Just let it go, we can easily evaluate Azrael as the days go on, I think from his play here that he 99% of the time flips town, and wolves were just beating a dead horse over and over
In the mean time, vote: Fuwa
This post is atrocious.
The thing about how Azrael stopped trying after his wagon died down is factually and verifiably accurate, and dismissing it as "blowing smoke" is scummy. Az never finished fleshing out his reads, and once Fuwa started garnering votes he just popped in to note to the mod that Fuwa requested an extension.
"Just let it go, we can easily evaluate Azrael as the days go on" can pretty much be translated to "Just let it go, we can easily evaluate Azrael while he powers up his scum abilities"
LW is either bad scum, or town who cares more about wanting people to think he's right than lynching scum which is almost as detrimental.
- Azrael fading into the background and not finishing his list of reads once Fuwa's wagon popped up indicates that he thought he was in the clear. I'm not sure I feel strongly enough about this to call Fuwa town, but if she was also scum I think Azrael would have kept fleshing out more reads and try to pull the town in a different direction. I retract my desire for Tom to shoot her. It might be better if we ask her to prove her claim with the Neighborizer shot. I don't think I've ever seen a scum Neighborizer, and if the claim was a lie that's the part most likely to be fabricated.
My vote is staying on Killjoy, but I would support an LW wagon or Tom shooting him.
/shrug
I skimmed, I thought they were more fleshed out then they were, I already went back through his iso, and I realized I was mistaken
clearly posting during my v/la was a mistake
its also doubtful that fuwa lied about her claim, from my role, and my role, her claim, and azreals I think its clear that the most if not all power roles are a combination of 3 abilities
though im not claiming till I get to L2 (claiming almost guarantees I die to the KP), I'm not a bad player as scum or town, I am just very headstrong about what I believe
one thing I did notice in my iso of Azreal, is in his secondary list he split the groups, with 3 wolves being alive, its hard to say how he split it, but its very likely that all wolves arent in only one
also if Chris is right, and perhaps Tom is a wolf, he doesnt shoot me here ever
shooting Fuwa is an optimal choice for the sake of looking at the trains later, and it allows us to re-evaluate before the day is over, which makes our PoE a lot better
If I wasn't me I would say shooting me is a good shot tbh. Way too many people think I am scum right now, no one seems to be seeing my town perspective, and so getting me off the board probably wouldn't hurt. I know I am town though so I must insist that's not a good idea but I wouldn't be too upset to die today. I am much more sad about being mislynched than vig shot, especially when I think that vig is scum.
I don't think Fuwa is a good shot at all. In fact, I am feeling very comfortable just assuming Fuwa is town and then going from there. Because I don't think scum bus another buddy over Az there because it looks quite volatile. If you've had your vote on Az as scum for awhile you just stick it out for the credit and don't put undue pressure on your weaker scum buddy.
Wisp is the best shot. Like he's kind of cornered by the facts and has to just hope to not die at this point. Also I don't understand why he thinks he is ever in danger of being killed at night when in power heavy setups roles matter a lot less than skill. Which reminds me what was rhand talking about yesterday...
He murdered Az hard and called me/shadow t/t
Yeah I think I am leaving shadow alone for a bit.
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And shadow, you don't? KCC has done nothing but vote me and go "oh man you just keep getting scummier this is amazing" and Vezok is like in a corner plotting ways to pluck my eyes out of their socket any second now. Even you don't seem to think I am very town, shadow, and you are the one asking this question. I am on most PoE lists I see and at present I think most people commenting on me are town. I am in a bit of hot water, yes.
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@Chris: If you are indeed town, then I would expect you to fight like mad and make your lynch nearly impossible. And suggesting you’re a good vig shot is just bad play, especially when you think the vig shot comes from scum.
Not really. I am a big fan of the conservation of energy. I have laid out my reads but until Tom shoots the day is kind of stagnated for me. I've read up on all the things I have needed to read up on, just got to see where the game goes from here. I don't really know what type of 'fight' you expect. I've asked people accusing me about their mindset but they aren't very interested in engaging me, their minds are clearly made up and I have better things to do with my time than smash my head into a wall. What's going to happen is I am going to die at some point, probably, and then people who were scum reading me will blame me for my own death because that's what results based medicore players do, they don't improve their game they just make excuses.
Me personally I don't mind getting Az wrong yesterday. Mostly because I think Fuwa looks really good out of it compared to being an unknown before then. One of my prides as a player is improving town's chances of victory even when my reads are wrong, and I feel like I did that yesterday. I am not going to be a frothing mad dog about people suspecting me though when I don't think they have the receipts for it but aren't willing to listen. KCC especially has been wanting my blood from the start so that slot is way gone lol.
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Not really. I am a big fan of the conservation of energy. I have laid out my reads but until Tom shoots the day is kind of stagnated for me. I've read up on all the things I have needed to read up on, just got to see where the game goes from here. I don't really know what type of 'fight' you expect. I've asked people accusing me about their mindset but they aren't very interested in engaging me, their minds are clearly made up and I have better things to do with my time than smash my head into a wall. What's going to happen is I am going to die at some point, probably, and then people who were scum reading me will blame me for my own death because that's what results based medicore players do, they don't improve their game they just make excuses.
Me personally I don't mind getting Az wrong yesterday. Mostly because I think Fuwa looks really good out of it compared to being an unknown before then. One of my prides as a player is improving town's chances of victory even when my reads are wrong, and I feel like I did that yesterday. I am not going to be a frothing mad dog about people suspecting me though when I don't think they have the receipts for it but aren't willing to listen. KCC especially has been wanting my blood from the start so that slot is way gone lol.
You're all doom and gloom when there are literally no votes on your right now. I'm sorry, but this just feels really really fake.
Like I'm sorry if I'm misreading you, but you have to realise that your play this game has been incredibly scummy. I'm trying to find reasons to town read you, but I'm drawing blanks. You come up with posts like these where it feels like you are almost at L-1 for no apparent reason. We are both in agreement that you would be a good vig shot and that's the ******* problem. I do not expect town Chris to be so demotivated and to even advocate for his own vig. Maybe being wrong on Az hurt your ego too much, but you should have instead redoubled your efforts and came back stronger than ever not doing this.
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If I wasn't me I would say shooting me is a good shot tbh. Way too many people think I am scum right now, no one seems to be seeing my town perspective, and so getting me off the board probably wouldn't hurt. I know I am town though so I must insist that's not a good idea but I wouldn't be too upset to die today. I am much more sad about being mislynched than vig shot, especially when I think that vig is scum.
I don't think Fuwa is a good shot at all. In fact, I am feeling very comfortable just assuming Fuwa is town and then going from there. Because I don't think scum bus another buddy over Az there because it looks quite volatile. If you've had your vote on Az as scum for awhile you just stick it out for the credit and don't put undue pressure on your weaker scum buddy.
Wisp is the best shot. Like he's kind of cornered by the facts and has to just hope to not die at this point. Also I don't understand why he thinks he is ever in danger of being killed at night when in power heavy setups roles matter a lot less than skill. Which reminds me what was rhand talking about yesterday...
He murdered Az hard and called me/shadow t/t
Yeah I think I am leaving shadow alone for a bit.
This feels like the kind of response scum give. I know, I know, my track record on you is horrible, but hear me out: I asked you who the scum were and who should be shot. You took a moment to "be real" and highlight that you would be a fine choice, which runs counter to the self-preservation mindset that is normally associated with scum, but you are experienced, thus would be capable of turning that on your head. I've done that as scum before. You then defend a "soft" option (Fuwa), "soft" being "a few people have voiced suspicion/indication that Fuwa should be shot, but no one's really pushed for her" (and I think it's unlikely a strong push against Fuwa is going to be made, but I could be mistaken). Then you say that Wisp is the best shot. Wisp, who isn't a) Tom (who controls the shot) or b) any current wagon, because you've already said that KJ, KCC, and Shadow are likely town. But you're not highlighting why Wisp scummy; you're just using statements like "he's...cornered by the facts and has to just hope to not die at this point". Finally you end your post dipping into the wifom waters of "why was Rhand killed; oh look, he was town-reading me, why would I have killed him?"
No analysis (or discussion) of anyone else in your scum pool (but a reiteration that you think Shadow is still town), no world building, just some self-sacrifice, easy white knighting, and pivoting onto a popular choice.
If I hadn't played Hill House, I'd be HOWLING for your lunch/death. As it is, it's "just" tipped the scales for me from Wisp to you. I think you're the better vig shot.
As to the possibility of me being a "mediocre" player, you're absolutely right. My track record is pretty much 50% as either alignment, and I frequently have no idea what I'm doing, but I'm doing the best I can with what I have. I'll tuck being right about Az as a very small but not insignificant feather into my cap and hope that I'm also right about whomever I end up on at the end of the Day.
Seriously: have you given a SINGLE reason toDay for anyone to be scum, other than your one-liner on Tom in [url=http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/812915-modern-mafia-day-2-blood-moon?comment=1278]1278[/url}? You've voted, you've attacked peoples attacks on you, you've towned a lot of players...but I don't see you searching for scum even a little bit.
Vote Sir Chris
I think we should use our votes to indicate vig shot choices (so everyone on Tom is noted, but should change), and I also recommend that we stop voting at L-3 instead of L-2, then let another person "vote" without actually voting to put a player into claim range to prevent any "mistakes" that end up in a lunch without Tom's shot going off.
Dking expressed doubts, but for a weird reason in my opinion. He doesn't think the "Cop" shot Az claimed lines of with the "Flavor" of Karn. Of all the reasons to have problems with the claim, this...was not one of them. My spider sense is tingling a tiny bit here.
This is either an intentional misrep, or you are not being thorough in your analysis. Neither is a good look.
I gave four reasons why I didn't believe Az's claim, and that post came before Vez's weigh-in so you have clearly read past it at this point.
u r wrong.
I am nothing if not thorough.
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It wont be the last and its not even the first time as town that I got pissed over a wolf lynch
he is the wolf to have a good macro play
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also lets even ignore that, what ******* benefit do I get for expressing my hate for a wolf lynch?
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ok
i'll be back
ya that whole exchange is wolfy as *****
vote: Shadow
his macro play means literally nothing to me after all this
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@KCC: it’s not brave, it’s just Chris. Also, I don’t actually care about tomes alignment if he shopts into the poe.
A lot of it is me not knowing what kind of player Tom is. Whether he's the type to overthink it "Would scum ever make a post like that??" Or if he's more like me, where that'd be your last post, I wouldn't even ask for a claim at that point.
But then, even if I did know him very well, I'm not sure I'd roll those dice against anyone. So, regardless of how that works out for you, I respect the move
Ive been gone for literally a whole week, my reads 180 all the time, if you are town I am sure I'll find reason again to put you there
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nothing new, even getting as little as two votes triggers me, plus I have a headache, which doesnt help
@Last: you kept posting during your entire vla
Do you just come up with the worst justifications for why people can be scum for fun?
Hiding a day vig and not using it instantly is probably the dumbest play anyone can make.
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1. yes I posted in real time whenever I had connection, but it was mostly quick skimming whatever was the newest page
2. this is literally nothing new one from me lol
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I think I'm more annoyed at KCC for just vaguely saying "shadow is town because the whole game" and the like than actively scumreading her.
Gut reaction is that shadow/last isn't theatre.
I plan to attempt a reread over the next however many days to get a more largescale handle on the game.
Her being KCC obvs.
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I'm not calling for you to be shot, you're just in the pile of people who I wouldn't protest too much
Do you guys really not think this is a thing?
Maybe? I like this line of reasoning, but I think this more indicative of Az not having genuine reads than necessarily a buddy interaction.
I'm not against looking over him closer though
Pre-Az claim, the vote count looked like this (this count was posted after the claim, but nothing had changed at that point yet):
With probably several people, myself included, having stated they were waiting to see what Az was going to say when he came back.
Post-claim I was the first one to say anything, and my initial, initial reaction was that I didn't want to lynch this claim. Seemed powerful, flavorful, useful if Az was Town. But I had questions, and even as I was typing my post I could feel something was wrong with it. Just didn't make sense as claimed, so I followed up, and didn't like the follow-up answers either.
Beeboy then said he was "falling" for the claim. Which might be an interesting choice of words.
Interestingly, Grapefruit's initial response is to call on a hypothetical vig. to shoot Az in the night.
Shadow expresses uncertainty, seeing that if we let the claim go, we would almost be committed to letting Az live until D3, which would be the earliest he could "prove" anything to us.
Dking expressed doubts, but for a weird reason in my opinion. He doesn't think the "Cop" shot Az claimed lines of with the "Flavor" of Karn. Of all the reasons to have problems with the claim, this...was not one of them. My spider sense is tingling a tiny bit here.
Vaimes fairly unequivocally disbelieved the claim. Even the part that was immediately provable, which seemed a little silly to me, but okay.
Vez also weighed in that he thought Az was lying.
Ditto Rhand.
Man, no one (except Beeboy?) has believed it yet. How did all the votes swing away? Inquiring minds want to know. But, once again, I gotta run. Back later.
This is either an intentional misrep, or you are not being thorough in your analysis. Neither is a good look.
I gave four reasons why I didn't believe Az's claim, and that post came before Vez's weigh-in so you have clearly read past it at this point.
By having quirky reads and standards on principle that go against even your own supposed wincon, it helps camouflage reads that would otherwise be seen as questionable. But I believe you when you say you strongly dislike bad lunches even when they help your wincon.
This is a fair point; I saw it as more likely to be Az trying to sow wifom and save time/effort by blanket agreeing with a general consensus read.
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- Tom's naked vote of Fuwa pings, especially when considering he was also one of the /barners that followed me onto both Killjoy and Beeboy.
Why did we need a counterwagon if, in your own words, Az was more likely to be scum? For that matter, why did we need a counterwagon at all?
- I didn't love Shadow's vote switch, but his 1152 is a pretty reasonable response to questioning.
- Cantrip's vote on Fuwa is... odd, especially after he kept defending her. Then 1165 feels like pre-emptive explanation in case anyone calls him on it. But he keeps posting stuff I like and agree with. If there is scum in my town reads, it's probably him, but I'm keeping him in blue for now.
KJ pops in and pushes.... Shadow? This post is a literal waste of space, and I still don't like the way he was non-committal on both wagons.
Single best post in the entire game.
Where did this come from?
This post is atrocious.
The thing about how Azrael stopped trying after his wagon died down is factually and verifiably accurate, and dismissing it as "blowing smoke" is scummy. Az never finished fleshing out his reads, and once Fuwa started garnering votes he just popped in to note to the mod that Fuwa requested an extension.
"Just let it go, we can easily evaluate Azrael as the days go on" can pretty much be translated to "Just let it go, we can easily evaluate Azrael while he powers up his scum abilities"
LW is either bad scum, or town who cares more about wanting people to think he's right than lynching scum which is almost as detrimental.
- Azrael fading into the background and not finishing his list of reads once Fuwa's wagon popped up indicates that he thought he was in the clear. I'm not sure I feel strongly enough about this to call Fuwa town, but if she was also scum I think Azrael would have kept fleshing out more reads and try to pull the town in a different direction. I retract my desire for Tom to shoot her. It might be better if we ask her to prove her claim with the Neighborizer shot. I don't think I've ever seen a scum Neighborizer, and if the claim was a lie that's the part most likely to be fabricated.
My vote is staying on Killjoy, but I would support an LW wagon or Tom shooting him.
I skimmed, I thought they were more fleshed out then they were, I already went back through his iso, and I realized I was mistaken
clearly posting during my v/la was a mistake
its also doubtful that fuwa lied about her claim, from my role, and my role, her claim, and azreals I think its clear that the most if not all power roles are a combination of 3 abilities
though im not claiming till I get to L2 (claiming almost guarantees I die to the KP), I'm not a bad player as scum or town, I am just very headstrong about what I believe
also if Chris is right, and perhaps Tom is a wolf, he doesnt shoot me here ever
shooting Fuwa is an optimal choice for the sake of looking at the trains later, and it allows us to re-evaluate before the day is over, which makes our PoE a lot better
I don't think Fuwa is a good shot at all. In fact, I am feeling very comfortable just assuming Fuwa is town and then going from there. Because I don't think scum bus another buddy over Az there because it looks quite volatile. If you've had your vote on Az as scum for awhile you just stick it out for the credit and don't put undue pressure on your weaker scum buddy.
Wisp is the best shot. Like he's kind of cornered by the facts and has to just hope to not die at this point. Also I don't understand why he thinks he is ever in danger of being killed at night when in power heavy setups roles matter a lot less than skill. Which reminds me what was rhand talking about yesterday...
He murdered Az hard and called me/shadow t/t
Yeah I think I am leaving shadow alone for a bit.
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power heavy setups roles matter a lot less than skill
you definitely have that backwards
He murdered Az hard and called me/shadow t/t
Idk what this first means, and yes I did call you both probably t/t
@Last: if everyone is power, then player skill is generally more important. Obviously some roles are must kill, but players can be moreso.
@Chrs: You...actually think you run the risk of being mislynched? I’m not even sure what to make of you saying the shot on you would be decent.
And shadow, you don't? KCC has done nothing but vote me and go "oh man you just keep getting scummier this is amazing" and Vezok is like in a corner plotting ways to pluck my eyes out of their socket any second now. Even you don't seem to think I am very town, shadow, and you are the one asking this question. I am on most PoE lists I see and at present I think most people commenting on me are town. I am in a bit of hot water, yes.
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Vote Count 2.2
tomsloger (3): Axelrod, Sir Chris, Vaimes
Killjoy (2): dkingsland967, vezokpiraka
KittyCupCake (1): Megiddo
shadowlancerx (1): Lastwhisper
Abstain (6): Grapefruit21, tomsloger, Fuwa, Cantripmancer, Killjoy, KittyCupCake, shadowlancerx
With 14 alive, it takes 8 votes to lynch.
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Me personally I don't mind getting Az wrong yesterday. Mostly because I think Fuwa looks really good out of it compared to being an unknown before then. One of my prides as a player is improving town's chances of victory even when my reads are wrong, and I feel like I did that yesterday. I am not going to be a frothing mad dog about people suspecting me though when I don't think they have the receipts for it but aren't willing to listen. KCC especially has been wanting my blood from the start so that slot is way gone lol.
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You're all doom and gloom when there are literally no votes on your right now. I'm sorry, but this just feels really really fake.
Like I'm sorry if I'm misreading you, but you have to realise that your play this game has been incredibly scummy. I'm trying to find reasons to town read you, but I'm drawing blanks. You come up with posts like these where it feels like you are almost at L-1 for no apparent reason. We are both in agreement that you would be a good vig shot and that's the ******* problem. I do not expect town Chris to be so demotivated and to even advocate for his own vig. Maybe being wrong on Az hurt your ego too much, but you should have instead redoubled your efforts and came back stronger than ever not doing this.
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No analysis (or discussion) of anyone else in your scum pool (but a reiteration that you think Shadow is still town), no world building, just some self-sacrifice, easy white knighting, and pivoting onto a popular choice.
If I hadn't played Hill House, I'd be HOWLING for your lunch/death. As it is, it's "just" tipped the scales for me from Wisp to you. I think you're the better vig shot.
As to the possibility of me being a "mediocre" player, you're absolutely right. My track record is pretty much 50% as either alignment, and I frequently have no idea what I'm doing, but I'm doing the best I can with what I have. I'll tuck being right about Az as a very small but not insignificant feather into my cap and hope that I'm also right about whomever I end up on at the end of the Day.
Seriously: have you given a SINGLE reason toDay for anyone to be scum, other than your one-liner on Tom in [url=http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/812915-modern-mafia-day-2-blood-moon?comment=1278]1278[/url}? You've voted, you've attacked peoples attacks on you, you've towned a lot of players...but I don't see you searching for scum even a little bit.
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I think we should use our votes to indicate vig shot choices (so everyone on Tom is noted, but should change), and I also recommend that we stop voting at L-3 instead of L-2, then let another person "vote" without actually voting to put a player into claim range to prevent any "mistakes" that end up in a lunch without Tom's shot going off.
I am nothing if not thorough.