@Vaimes
I dont get you, Why is Asta town? Where exactly is the team for you? The same question, if Proph is a wolf here, where is his team in this?
I have made it quite clear I want to kill dk/Proph/Silver.
Asta bleeds town. He is volunteering his vote to his townreads, which isn't something scum are keen on doing. Especially if their buddies are getting pressure.
Silver is making noise about dichotomies and scum manipulatives, but so far everyone's role seems to be like 5% useful so I'm not gonna pretend mechanics mean all that much to me here. I don't know why scum need a manipulative role when town's abilities seem to favor being ridiculously passive.
@Vaimes
I dont get you, Why is Asta town? Where exactly is the team for you? The same question, if Proph is a wolf here, where is his team in this?
I have made it quite clear I want to kill dk/Proph/Silver.
Asta bleeds town. He is volunteering his vote to his townreads, which isn't something scum are keen on doing. Especially if their buddies are getting pressure.
I think you're overcomplicating things.
maybe I have a habit of doing those things, fair point on Asta
Proph/DK/Silver? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
does that work?
@Vaimes
I dont get you, Why is Asta town? Where exactly is the team for you? The same question, if Proph is a wolf here, where is his team in this?
I have made it quite clear I want to kill dk/Proph/Silver.
Asta bleeds town. He is volunteering his vote to his townreads, which isn't something scum are keen on doing. Especially if their buddies are getting pressure.
I think you're overcomplicating things.
I think him voting dk when he literally just said he should die before dk is weird?
lmao what exactly is wolf!Silver doing in this world, pushing Proph with this reverse chainsaw, if they are partners?
Wait this point is probably mute because he started off the day voting KCC
Each Night in Spring, you will learn the name of a non-Mafia player who took an action that Night.
I guess, and I mean I GUESS it's possible that this could be a scum role. Given that it would prevent you from getting a teammate's name as a result.
And I won't lie, I did briefly consider that fulcrum was using me somehow to clear herself. There's still no explanation for why I targeted Last but ended up on her, and now I've conveniently "cleared" her. There's already a secret daykill floating around, and now there's a secret redirect? I think me being redirected is more likely than fulcrum and Last being swapped, because why even target Last with anything.
But, I think the "non-Mafia" thing not being attached to all of her abilities is a good sign, good enough that I would take her side.
If I actually wanted it, I would have just asked you to target me.
maybe I have a habit of doing those things, fair point on Asta
Proph/DK/Silver? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
does that work?
Neither of those three have really made strides to project that they're a villager. Silver has posted a lot, but he has seriously cruised by on the "oh nobody's pressuring me" excuse. Proph and dk have been pretty background-y.
ok well I am going to work, Vaimes' team does actually work
but the problem for me is still the DK/Asta interaction, it just confuses the living hell out of me
In a world where I’m scum and DK is town: I’ll be honest, this could work. If I confirm him as bodyguard and then he gets shot or lynched and flips town, it looks good for me. If I get lynched by town and flip scum, DK becomes a really easy mislynch. So if y’all are gonna lynch one of us, lynch me if only so DK is hard to set up as a mislynch because y’all are gonna have confirmation from a town that he was genuine bodyguard. Obviously would prefer that not happen, but. It is what it is.
He's also describing a world where he's scum, so. I don't think it's that weird.
Someone, I think it was Last, asked what the scumteam was doing right now since votes weren't moving that much.
I think they're trying to distance! Very last minute, too.
Have to wonder if they got some gamestate advantage with Rhand dying. Rhand throwing in the towel was a bit odd, but I can see it if he just wasn't feeling up to playing mafia given his life situation.
I have a fun exercise for anyone townreading Proph, or at least doubting that he's mafia.
If Proph is a villager, and can still send orbs during the Day, and has been made aware that me lacking an orb is mechincally shooting town in the foot, then why hasn't he sent me one? Bonus points for showing your work.
Someone, I think it was Last, asked what the scumteam was doing right now since votes weren't moving that much.
I think they're trying to distance! Very last minute, too.
Have to wonder if they got some gamestate advantage with Rhand dying. Rhand throwing in the towel was a bit odd, but I can see it if he just wasn't feeling up to playing mafia given his life situation.
Seems unlikely that they'd get any advantage outweighing having a scum alive.
In a world where I’m scum and DK is town: I’ll be honest, this could work. If I confirm him as bodyguard and then he gets shot or lynched and flips town, it looks good for me. If I get lynched by town and flip scum, DK becomes a really easy mislynch. So if y’all are gonna lynch one of us, lynch me if only so DK is hard to set up as a mislynch because y’all are gonna have confirmation from a town that he was genuine bodyguard. Obviously would prefer that not happen, but. It is what it is.
He's also describing a world where he's scum, so. I don't think it's that weird.
Asta, why did you pick dk to test your votes?
The language changed around the "So" into an actual recommendation, not just a thought experiment, I think.
The language changed around the "So" into an actual recommendation, not just a thought experiment, I think.
Seems to me like he's just kinda running his mouth, in a "villager and doesn't care" kind of way. He does not strike me as the type of player to play newbtell mindgames.
I meant like, if they had a strategy or gameplan that took that into account, so that they weren't just losing a buddy oops oh well.
That's usually in the form of bussing, and no ones really getting a lot of credit for the Rhand lynch. Maybe Silver would fit in that mold, but Silver started pushing Rhand Day 1, and I doubt that had an overall strategy in mind at that point.
I feel like you're not getting my point wrt Asta. I think he was expressing a townread of dk, and then he voted there. I assume he voted dk because last did, and last was one of the three people he said he was giving his vote to, but last is also the only unconfirmed of those three so it's kind of weird that asta hopped on board like that.
I mean Asta being town works in the world I laid out before with Rhand not really bussing, based on his votes
So like if that is true it's highly likely Asta is town based on his very early scum read on him
Which leaves 2 wolves in his nulls, and 1 between KCC/Silver?
@Vaimes
I just think their are so many inconsistences coming from Asta that makes it hard to get to the same read you have, but like he definitely isn't pushing much of anything, he is just all over the place, which I guess is good?
I mean Asta being town works in the world I laid out before with Rhand not really bussing, based on his votes
So like if that is true it's highly likely Asta is town based on his very early scum read on him
Which leaves 2 wolves in his nulls, and 1 between KCC/Silver?
@Vaimes I just think their are so many inconsistences coming from Asta that makes it hard to get to the same read you have, but like he definitely isn't pushing much of anything, he is just all over the place, which I guess is good?
Sure, but consistency isn't a tell. Is he being inconsistent with regards to an agenda of sorts, or is he just sort of not really thinking too deeply about the game?
I had the benefit (and pleaure) of playing with him once before this game. He did a lot of sheeping and rambling over there, and got mislunched, probably for the same things you're struggling with in reading him. fulcrum can throw in her two cents, she kinda followed along that game.
Yeah, I'm trying my best to clear town here, so I'm voting the line. Last is on dk (with Vaimes and killjoy not voting) so that's where I'm voting. Do I want to vote dk? No. But I signed up for this as best bet to avoid getting mislynched and I'm not gonna back out.
(Thanks for the back up, Vaimes. Still feel bad about your mislynch.)
Yeah, I'm trying my best to clear town here, so I'm voting the line. Last is on dk (with Vaimes and killjoy not voting) so that's where I'm voting. Do I want to vote dk? No. But I signed up for this as best bet to avoid getting mislynched and I'm not gonna back out.
(Thanks for the back up, Vaimes. Still feel bad about your mislynch.)
Yeah, I'm trying my best to clear town here, so I'm voting the line. Last is on dk (with Vaimes and killjoy not voting) so that's where I'm voting. Do I want to vote dk? No. But I signed up for this as best bet to avoid getting mislynched and I'm not gonna back out.
(Thanks for the back up, Vaimes. Still feel bad about your mislynch.)
Ok, not taking ownership of your vote is not going to help you avoid being mislynched. It might help you lynch a wolf, and avoid it that way.
Yeah, I'm trying my best to clear town here, so I'm voting the line. Last is on dk (with Vaimes and killjoy not voting) so that's where I'm voting. Do I want to vote dk? No. But I signed up for this as best bet to avoid getting mislynched and I'm not gonna back out.
(Thanks for the back up, Vaimes. Still feel bad about your mislynch.)
Ok, not taking ownership of your vote is not going to help you avoid being mislynched. It might help you lynch a wolf, and avoid it that way.
idk why ur posts are just coming off so hostile all of a sudden, if you are trying to reach him how to get better, then this tone is just weird
Yeah, I'm trying my best to clear town here, so I'm voting the line. Last is on dk (with Vaimes and killjoy not voting) so that's where I'm voting. Do I want to vote dk? No. But I signed up for this as best bet to avoid getting mislynched and I'm not gonna back out.
(Thanks for the back up, Vaimes. Still feel bad about your mislynch.)
Ok, not taking ownership of your vote is not going to help you avoid being mislynched. It might help you lynch a wolf, and avoid it that way.
idk why ur posts are just coming off so hostile all of a sudden, if you are trying to reach him how to get better, then this tone is just weird
Yeah, I'm trying my best to clear town here, so I'm voting the line. Last is on dk (with Vaimes and killjoy not voting) so that's where I'm voting. Do I want to vote dk? No. But I signed up for this as best bet to avoid getting mislynched and I'm not gonna back out.
(Thanks for the back up, Vaimes. Still feel bad about your mislynch.)
Ok, not taking ownership of your vote is not going to help you avoid being mislynched. It might help you lynch a wolf, and avoid it that way.
idk why ur posts are just coming off so hostile all of a sudden, if you are trying to reach him how to get better, then this tone is just weird
That's not hostility.
but like what exactly is the point of that statement
Yeah, I'm trying my best to clear town here, so I'm voting the line. Last is on dk (with Vaimes and killjoy not voting) so that's where I'm voting. Do I want to vote dk? No. But I signed up for this as best bet to avoid getting mislynched and I'm not gonna back out.
(Thanks for the back up, Vaimes. Still feel bad about your mislynch.)
Ok, not taking ownership of your vote is not going to help you avoid being mislynched. It might help you lynch a wolf, and avoid it that way.
idk why ur posts are just coming off so hostile all of a sudden, if you are trying to reach him how to get better, then this tone is just weird
That's not hostility.
but like what exactly is the point of that statement
I have a fun exercise for anyone townreading Proph, or at least doubting that he's mafia.
If Proph is a villager, and can still send orbs during the Day, and has been made aware that me lacking an orb is mechincally shooting town in the foot, then why hasn't he sent me one? Bonus points for showing your work.
>Makes point I made against Proph like three pages ago
>complains about me doing mechanics, says I'm a wolf with Rhand
I have a fun exercise for anyone townreading Proph, or at least doubting that he's mafia.
If Proph is a villager, and can still send orbs during the Day, and has been made aware that me lacking an orb is mechincally shooting town in the foot, then why hasn't he sent me one? Bonus points for showing your work.
>Makes point I made against Proph like three pages ago
>complains about me doing mechanics, says I'm a wolf with Rhand
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ur point? Is this supposed be like the pot calling the kettle black or something?
I have a fun exercise for anyone townreading Proph, or at least doubting that he's mafia.
If Proph is a villager, and can still send orbs during the Day, and has been made aware that me lacking an orb is mechincally shooting town in the foot, then why hasn't he sent me one? Bonus points for showing your work.
I might be wrong here and probably need to dig up Axel's claims post, but I think Proph can only give one of each orb during the day and shadow already gave it to me.
Hear me out here. If the blue orb is a doc on other people with blue orb than shadow gifting me an orb is bad scum play. They don't know who I could target and shadow knows that I'll probably survive for a while so I can actually target people with orbs to save them (unfortunately I don't have abilities for this, but shadow couldn't have known this).
So maybe this was 5D chess from scum shadow to confuse us or maybe he was just town playing his role as best as he could. That's why I don't want to lynch proph even thought he isn't as active as he usually is. I really think it's due to irl stuff and not role.
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I have a fun exercise for anyone townreading Proph, or at least doubting that he's mafia.
If Proph is a villager, and can still send orbs during the Day, and has been made aware that me lacking an orb is mechincally shooting town in the foot, then why hasn't he sent me one? Bonus points for showing your work.
>Makes point I made against Proph like three pages ago
>complains about me doing mechanics, says I'm a wolf with Rhand
Surejan.gif
ur point? Is this supposed be like the pot calling the kettle black or something?
My point is we're both trying to lunch Proph for essentially the same reason and he's calling me a wolf for it
I have a fun exercise for anyone townreading Proph, or at least doubting that he's mafia.
If Proph is a villager, and can still send orbs during the Day, and has been made aware that me lacking an orb is mechincally shooting town in the foot, then why hasn't he sent me one? Bonus points for showing your work.
I might be wrong here and probably need to dig up Axel's claims post, but I think Proph can only give one of each orb during the day and shadow already gave it to me.
Hear me out here. If the blue orb is a doc on other people with blue orb than shadow gifting me an orb is bad scum play. They don't know who I could target and shadow knows that I'll probably survive for a while so I can actually target people with orbs to save them (unfortunately I don't have abilities for this, but shadow couldn't have known this).
So maybe this was 5D chess from scum shadow to confuse us or maybe he was just town playing his role as best as he could. That's why I don't want to lynch proph even thought he isn't as active as he usually is. I really think it's due to irl stuff and not role.
Proph claimed X-shot to give any color, pretty sure? Am I misremembering?
Regardless with how early he gave it to you I don't see how he could've known you were town; it reads like TMI/buddying you more than anything else to me
I have a fun exercise for anyone townreading Proph, or at least doubting that he's mafia.
If Proph is a villager, and can still send orbs during the Day, and has been made aware that me lacking an orb is mechincally shooting town in the foot, then why hasn't he sent me one? Bonus points for showing your work.
>Makes point I made against Proph like three pages ago
>complains about me doing mechanics, says I'm a wolf with Rhand
Surejan.gif
ur point? Is this supposed be like the pot calling the kettle black or something?
My point is we're both trying to lunch Proph for essentially the same reason and he's calling me a wolf for it
So yeah kind of?
is bussing not a thing anymore? Is he gunna call himself a wolf? X is doing it to, so why am I wolf for the same thing, is actually such a wolfy arguement
In a town world I see Asta trying to articulate his thoughts and feelings and then you come in like, "no that's wrong"
No. Articulating his thoughts and feelings is great. Him feeling like that's not helping and deciding to not share them and just sheep instead will hurt him in the longrun.
In a town world I see Asta trying to articulate his thoughts and feelings and then you come in like, "no that's wrong"
No. Articulating his thoughts and feelings is great. Him feeling like that's not helping and deciding to not share them and just sheep instead will hurt him in the longrun.
he should definitely feel less afraid to give his thoughts in the future, that's for sure, and be less super defiant, as he has been in some posts, because it helps no one
In a town world I see Asta trying to articulate his thoughts and feelings and then you come in like, "no that's wrong"
No. Articulating his thoughts and feelings is great. Him feeling like that's not helping and deciding to not share them and just sheep instead will hurt him in the longrun.
he should definitely feel less afraid to give his thoughts in the future, that's for sure, and be less super defiant, as he has been in some posts, because it helps no one
I don't have a problem with the defiance, it's helpful with tonereading.
In a town world I see Asta trying to articulate his thoughts and feelings and then you come in like, "no that's wrong"
No. Articulating his thoughts and feelings is great. Him feeling like that's not helping and deciding to not share them and just sheep instead will hurt him in the longrun.
he should definitely feel less afraid to give his thoughts in the future, that's for sure, and be less super defiant, as he has been in some posts, because it helps no one
I might be wrong here and probably need to dig up Axel's claims post, but I think Proph can only give one of each orb during the day and shadow already gave it to me.
Hear me out here. If the blue orb is a doc on other people with blue orb than shadow gifting me an orb is bad scum play. They don't know who I could target and shadow knows that I'll probably survive for a while so I can actually target people with orbs to save them (unfortunately I don't have abilities for this, but shadow couldn't have known this).
So maybe this was 5D chess from scum shadow to confuse us or maybe he was just town playing his role as best as he could. That's why I don't want to lynch proph even thought he isn't as active as he usually is. I really think it's due to irl stuff and not role.
I am hard-pressed to believe the underlined. You probably would've been lunched a while ago if you weren't a role that's mechanically only town.
Yeah, he gave you a blue orb without knowing your role, but he also didn't tell you how it works. Can't really speculate on what his game plan was, it would've been easier to get a read on who else he gave orbs to. I couldn't tell you why Proph targeted the people he targeted, and what he hopes to achieve that way.
A bit self-serving, but... if KCC is town, this might actually be a productive avenue of thought? What scum team would actually have abilities she can hit?
What season is your RB again?
It's spring.
Proph, last, and Vaimes have confirmed abilities I could block.
Asta, Vez, fulcrum, have confirmed abilities I can't touch.
Silver, and dk claim to not have spring actions to block, but either of you could be lying
KJ is unclaimed, but not scum anyway
IDK, probably not helpful except for letting me know to expect to be irritated post game
ok well I am going to work, Vaimes' team does actually work
but the problem for me is still the DK/Asta interaction, it just confuses the living hell out of me
Excuse me? If that team is right, we are not calling it The Vaimes Team after I called that exact team in the neighborhood
That's usually in the form of bussing, and no ones really getting a lot of credit for the Rhand lynch. Maybe Silver would fit in that mold, but Silver started pushing Rhand Day 1, and I doubt that had an overall strategy in mind at that point.
Rhand tends to have the shelf life of sliced apples. Bussing him for towncred early is the obvious strat
Shadow giving out the blue orb early is v bad if that's the only blue Day-orb he could have given.
Proph seems to be talking like it's a 2shot, which, regardless, it's obviously very limited shots since he hasn't been dropping them. -Shadow using one a couple days into a 2 week long D1, no claims yet, no substantial wagons, not much to even analyze.
I don't understand it with what Proph has claimed. Just, blinding using up his limited shots with a role that, if true, would clearly require careful planning and coordinating to do anything.
We haven't paid much attention to this, since shadow isn't here to explain, but I can't even picture an explanation he could give that I'd feel good about
Asta bleeds town. He is volunteering his vote to his townreads, which isn't something scum are keen on doing. Especially if their buddies are getting pressure.
I think you're overcomplicating things.
Proph/DK/Silver? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
does that work?
I think him voting dk when he literally just said he should die before dk is weird?
Wait this point is probably mute because he started off the day voting KCC
If I actually wanted it, I would have just asked you to target me.
Asta.
but the problem for me is still the DK/Asta interaction, it just confuses the living hell out of me
In a world where I’m scum and DK is town: I’ll be honest, this could work. If I confirm him as bodyguard and then he gets shot or lynched and flips town, it looks good for me. If I get lynched by town and flip scum, DK becomes a really easy mislynch. So if y’all are gonna lynch one of us, lynch me if only so DK is hard to set up as a mislynch because y’all are gonna have confirmation from a town that he was genuine bodyguard. Obviously would prefer that not happen, but. It is what it is.
He's also describing a world where he's scum, so. I don't think it's that weird.
Asta, why did you pick dk to test your votes?
I think they're trying to distance! Very last minute, too.
Have to wonder if they got some gamestate advantage with Rhand dying. Rhand throwing in the towel was a bit odd, but I can see it if he just wasn't feeling up to playing mafia given his life situation.
If Proph is a villager, and can still send orbs during the Day, and has been made aware that me lacking an orb is mechincally shooting town in the foot, then why hasn't he sent me one? Bonus points for showing your work.
Seems unlikely that they'd get any advantage outweighing having a scum alive.
The language changed around the "So" into an actual recommendation, not just a thought experiment, I think.
That's usually in the form of bussing, and no ones really getting a lot of credit for the Rhand lynch. Maybe Silver would fit in that mold, but Silver started pushing Rhand Day 1, and I doubt that had an overall strategy in mind at that point.
I feel like you're not getting my point wrt Asta. I think he was expressing a townread of dk, and then he voted there. I assume he voted dk because last did, and last was one of the three people he said he was giving his vote to, but last is also the only unconfirmed of those three so it's kind of weird that asta hopped on board like that.
So like if that is true it's highly likely Asta is town based on his very early scum read on him
Which leaves 2 wolves in his nulls, and 1 between KCC/Silver?
@Vaimes
I just think their are so many inconsistences coming from Asta that makes it hard to get to the same read you have, but like he definitely isn't pushing much of anything, he is just all over the place, which I guess is good?
I had the benefit (and pleaure) of playing with him once before this game. He did a lot of sheeping and rambling over there, and got mislunched, probably for the same things you're struggling with in reading him. fulcrum can throw in her two cents, she kinda followed along that game.
Inconsistencies come from town as often as they come from scum, yeah.
(Thanks for the back up, Vaimes. Still feel bad about your mislynch.)
Ok, not taking ownership of your vote is not going to help you avoid being mislynched. It might help you lynch a wolf, and avoid it that way.
That's not hostility.
Advice.
>complains about me doing mechanics, says I'm a wolf with Rhand
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I might be wrong here and probably need to dig up Axel's claims post, but I think Proph can only give one of each orb during the day and shadow already gave it to me.
Hear me out here. If the blue orb is a doc on other people with blue orb than shadow gifting me an orb is bad scum play. They don't know who I could target and shadow knows that I'll probably survive for a while so I can actually target people with orbs to save them (unfortunately I don't have abilities for this, but shadow couldn't have known this).
So maybe this was 5D chess from scum shadow to confuse us or maybe he was just town playing his role as best as he could. That's why I don't want to lynch proph even thought he isn't as active as he usually is. I really think it's due to irl stuff and not role.
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So yeah kind of?
Regardless with how early he gave it to you I don't see how he could've known you were town; it reads like TMI/buddying you more than anything else to me
No. Articulating his thoughts and feelings is great. Him feeling like that's not helping and deciding to not share them and just sheep instead will hurt him in the longrun.
I don't have a problem with the defiance, it's helpful with tonereading.
If we're on a sliding scale, they're somewhere in the fours or ~maybe fives while you might be a seven. With ten being mafia.
Yeah, he gave you a blue orb without knowing your role, but he also didn't tell you how it works. Can't really speculate on what his game plan was, it would've been easier to get a read on who else he gave orbs to. I couldn't tell you why Proph targeted the people he targeted, and what he hopes to achieve that way.
Proph, last, and Vaimes have confirmed abilities I could block.
Asta, Vez, fulcrum, have confirmed abilities I can't touch.
Silver, and dk claim to not have spring actions to block, but either of you could be lying
KJ is unclaimed, but not scum anyway
IDK, probably not helpful except for letting me know to expect to be irritated post game
Oh, okay. That's not a connection I'd make, but it's reasonable
Excuse me? If that team is right, we are not calling it The Vaimes Team after I called that exact team in the neighborhood
Rhand tends to have the shelf life of sliced apples. Bussing him for towncred early is the obvious strat
Proph seems to be talking like it's a 2shot, which, regardless, it's obviously very limited shots since he hasn't been dropping them. -Shadow using one a couple days into a 2 week long D1, no claims yet, no substantial wagons, not much to even analyze.
I don't understand it with what Proph has claimed. Just, blinding using up his limited shots with a role that, if true, would clearly require careful planning and coordinating to do anything.
We haven't paid much attention to this, since shadow isn't here to explain, but I can't even picture an explanation he could give that I'd feel good about