KCC is my blind spot but I agree with Silver in that I think there's a scum between one of KCC and fulcrum. I mentioned this before but I really liked KCC's debilitation and hesitation wrt voting/scumreading me Yesterday. Also I don't think that she just townreads Rhand and just straight up ignores the Rhand wagon if she's scum with him - think she would have tried to get on that wagon early or have some sort of nuanced opinion on it rather than say that she thought Rhand was town because he read her well, then disappear as deadline hit.
with regards to KCC.
I'll get to your other points later but I don't know what the scum were doing when Rhand died; all I know is that if you reread the end of Day 2, Rhand was townreading you and you were pushing Axelrod.
Call this Level One, sure, but I think everyone else alive has better interactions with Rhand than you. And I think that you dismissing my argument against you as "all mechanics" is a strawman.
@Fulcrums
Interactions with Rhand can easily be TMI, and it doesn't help that he just decided to not vote his strongest scumread on the day he was lynched
So yes I agree with you when you say, everyone else just has better interactions with him
Actually the people who have the worst interactions with Rhand are all the people that PoE'd him early that are still alive
If DK doesn't flip wolf, I'm probably going to look super hard into fulcrum/KCC/Killjoy tomorr, even if it seems to annoy fulcrum, who overall don't think he deserves to be a lock town read.
best worlds, we follow Newcomb's rule of thumb, and we hit a wolf here
worst World, we lynch town, and we wake up in lylo, which means we have to work really hard tomorrow, and no speed votes
also speculation on what my ability may do is also a thing that could affect what happens today
if we flip Proph today and he does in fact flip town, and you arent a wolf @KCC, idk if I have the wim to defend that...
that world probably makes Silver have to be a wolf though
but we also have killjoy who if town is also heavily against both of us
Last: That's all I want from you. I want you to listen to me and vote my scumreads.
If dk/Asta are town then that means that the wolves are in like. Silver/KCC/fulcrum/Killjoy? Which means that it's likely that both of that hypothetical scumteam were just playacting in the friendly chat of yours? Or Silver set up the bus of a lifetime against Rhand?
Silver voting me for essentially a non-reason (?) does flare up my paranoia a bit, though I keep going back to the Rhand interactions and it's still kind of hard for me to see him as scum.
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Yeah but what was the plan? Stop you from protecting Killjoy and then give Killjoy an orange orb anyway after he got roleblocked? I guess burning a day use to give you a green orb is way less defensible and is probably why he hasn't used any more of his day shots yet...
Yeah that makes as much as sense as anything else I guess
vote: Prophylaxis (L-1)
If he's town I am 100% flipping KCC toMorrow though
Like, not really sure what Silver means here.
If dk is a wolf and Asta is town.. it gets real weird. We're talking about dk being a loud mafia bodyguard that successfully protected Asta N1?
Dkings is town if you're a wolf in this scenario, you tried to stop him from switching to Killjoy by giving dkings a green then Killjoy an orange to turn his green orb on
When KCC roleblocked you, you gave Killjoy the orange anyway for some reason and could've used a day shot to give dkings a green toDay but that's effectively a wolf claim since blue orb is way more townsided than green as claimed
no because I don't want to muddy my thoughts anymore today
We flip DK today preferably, and go from there
Okay...
But...
10 alive, we have two lynches left here
Would you rather it be, say, me then dk
Or, like, dk then, idk, Vaimes
Because, think about it
no
I think Vaimes is more less likely to be town here regardless of anything, I cant hedge on everything or my brain will turn to mush
DK is the most likely to work in almost every world, and you arent
I am not super sure of anything at this point, but like if I'm not sure, then we need to lynch in a grouping that doesnt cause town to be more divided tomorrow in case we dont hit a wolf here
like we all have to understand how hard tomorrow will be, as long as we are this divided
Fulcrum is sure that Proph flips a wolf here
Silver believes there has to be a wolf in either you or Proph
Killjoy believes that DK/Proph are low priority over me and you
Vaimes thinks that Asta more likely flips town
Vezok is less likely to ever move out of his PoE
I really really don't want to put much weight on this, but like IDK if Rhand just puts all his partners in his nulls in his first read list
Asta is like a wild card super busser here in any world, because lets say Proph/DK are both wolves, he just gave two confirmed town's his vote, and Vaimes who is more a less confirmed, why?
Fulcrum very early on talked about how wolfy Rhand was, but then when it really mattered, he voted Axel who flipped town
he also voted to save you, over Keldeo (so u can see my paranioa there)
how DK handled Proph today is just super wolfy, and its hard for me to overlook that
both Fulcrum and DK are just locked in that Proph is the obvious wolf here, with very little signs of re-evaluation, and I am not saying they have to be wrong, its just that, that level of confidence when it really shouldn't be there is like borderline malicious
Killjoy has done almost nothing in the most recent days, sure his early gave was really good for the most part, with some posts that felt like obvious town, but his consistency is just way off
this game is not easy, and I want people to stop and think for a second, "what if I am wrong"
Confidence is not wrong, but it will surely lose us the game if we dont start giving everyone else's thoughts a chance
Killjoy has done almost nothing in the most recent days, sure his early gave was really good for the most part, with some posts that felt like obvious town, but his consistency is just way off
Killjoy has done almost nothing in the most recent days, sure his early gave was really good for the most part, with some posts that felt like obvious town, but his consistency is just way off
This is a point. We could cfd here
unvote vote kj
are u insane... We absolutely do not flip this before fulcrum...
KCC is my blind spot but I agree with Silver in that I think there's a scum between one of KCC and fulcrum. I mentioned this before but I really liked KCC's debilitation and hesitation wrt voting/scumreading me Yesterday. Also I don't think that she just townreads Rhand and just straight up ignores the Rhand wagon if she's scum with him - think she would have tried to get on that wagon early or have some sort of nuanced opinion on it rather than say that she thought Rhand was town because he read her well, then disappear as deadline hit.
with regards to KCC.
I'll get to your other points later but I don't know what the scum were doing when Rhand died; all I know is that if you reread the end of Day 2, Rhand was townreading you and you were pushing Axelrod.
Call this Level One, sure, but I think everyone else alive has better interactions with Rhand than you. And I think that you dismissing my argument against you as "all mechanics" is a strawman.
Thanks.
Sorry if you're town, man. I don't think I'm going to untunnel here.
are u insane... We absolutely do not flip this before fulcrum...
Sure, whichever
unvote vote Fulcrum
Can we not? Fulcrum is putting in work, has been pretty consistent on everything and has TWO abilities confirmed by Vaimes. I know it sucks we don't have a good investigative, but fulcrum is not a great lynch for today.
Flipping dkings today leaves us in a much better position for tomorrow with one less active player down and a bigger restriction on the POE. Killing fulcrum now makes scum shoot KJ and we miss whatever information he still holds.
Silver/dk/?asta maybe fits much better than fulcrum/kj/?silver or some other combination.
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I'm going to be really busy in the next few weeks. If you're not convinced on me today I'm going to be able to do anymore Tomorrow or the Day after, so we might was well get this out of the way now.
Okay well it'd be nice if the neighborhood gang actually clued in the rest of us, I shouldn't have to ask you guys to not split the conversation between the threads like this
with regards to KCC.
I'll get to your other points later but I don't know what the scum were doing when Rhand died; all I know is that if you reread the end of Day 2, Rhand was townreading you and you were pushing Axelrod.
Call this Level One, sure, but I think everyone else alive has better interactions with Rhand than you. And I think that you dismissing my argument against you as "all mechanics" is a strawman.
Why is this game so hard
Interactions with Rhand can easily be TMI, and it doesn't help that he just decided to not vote his strongest scumread on the day he was lynched
So yes I agree with you when you say, everyone else just has better interactions with him
Actually the people who have the worst interactions with Rhand are all the people that PoE'd him early that are still alive
Like Killjoy as well
KCC seems to be town though.
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worst World, we lynch town, and we wake up in lylo, which means we have to work really hard tomorrow, and no speed votes
also speculation on what my ability may do is also a thing that could affect what happens today
Seriously, if I'm still remotely in your POE, just do it now
We flip DK today preferably, and go from there
that world probably makes Silver have to be a wolf though
but we also have killjoy who if town is also heavily against both of us
What is this, btw?
Proph/DK/Asta
Okay...
But...
10 alive, we have two lynches left here
Would you rather it be, say, me then dk
Or, like, dk then, idk, Vaimes
Because, think about it
When KCC roleblocked you, you gave Killjoy the orange anyway for some reason and could've used a day shot to give dkings a green toDay but that's effectively a wolf claim since blue orb is way more townsided than green as claimed
...if he flips with the role working as claimed
Actually, even then, there's no confirmation he actually targeted dk. That's just what he says I blocked
I think Vaimes is more less likely to be town here regardless of anything, I cant hedge on everything or my brain will turn to mush
DK is the most likely to work in almost every world, and you arent
I am not super sure of anything at this point, but like if I'm not sure, then we need to lynch in a grouping that doesnt cause town to be more divided tomorrow in case we dont hit a wolf here
like we all have to understand how hard tomorrow will be, as long as we are this divided
Fulcrum is sure that Proph flips a wolf here
Silver believes there has to be a wolf in either you or Proph
Killjoy believes that DK/Proph are low priority over me and you
Vaimes thinks that Asta more likely flips town
Vezok is less likely to ever move out of his PoE
I really really don't want to put much weight on this, but like IDK if Rhand just puts all his partners in his nulls in his first read list
Asta is like a wild card super busser here in any world, because lets say Proph/DK are both wolves, he just gave two confirmed town's his vote, and Vaimes who is more a less confirmed, why?
Fulcrum very early on talked about how wolfy Rhand was, but then when it really mattered, he voted Axel who flipped town
he also voted to save you, over Keldeo (so u can see my paranioa there)
how DK handled Proph today is just super wolfy, and its hard for me to overlook that
both Fulcrum and DK are just locked in that Proph is the obvious wolf here, with very little signs of re-evaluation, and I am not saying they have to be wrong, its just that, that level of confidence when it really shouldn't be there is like borderline malicious
Killjoy has done almost nothing in the most recent days, sure his early gave was really good for the most part, with some posts that felt like obvious town, but his consistency is just way off
this game is not easy, and I want people to stop and think for a second, "what if I am wrong"
Confidence is not wrong, but it will surely lose us the game if we dont start giving everyone else's thoughts a chance
Exactly, I completely agree, and you're not thinking today through, and what probably happens if dk flips scum now, rather than after Today's lynch
This is a point. We could cfd here
unvote vote kj
Sure, whichever
unvote vote Fulcrum
Spicy, finally another train
Thanks.
Sorry if you're town, man. I don't think I'm going to untunnel here.
Can we not? Fulcrum is putting in work, has been pretty consistent on everything and has TWO abilities confirmed by Vaimes. I know it sucks we don't have a good investigative, but fulcrum is not a great lynch for today.
Flipping dkings today leaves us in a much better position for tomorrow with one less active player down and a bigger restriction on the POE. Killing fulcrum now makes scum shoot KJ and we miss whatever information he still holds.
Silver/dk/?asta maybe fits much better than fulcrum/kj/?silver or some other combination.
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You kind of having me wanting to die here, man.
I'm going to be really busy in the next few weeks. If you're not convinced on me today I'm going to be able to do anymore Tomorrow or the Day after, so we might was well get this out of the way now.
Though potentially not, depending on how many scum we lunch.
I'm trying to decide if I want to believe Silver and there's scum in fulcrum/KCC, or if I'm just being a sucker.
Can we yes?
I kinda agree with you, but flipping fulcrum gives us a better position
Am I dreaming? You can not seriously be this obliviously out of the loop
Fulcrum first, then dk
Yes, more votes on fulcrum
Did I miss something?
But I don't see where she did the work to get to Killjoy is a wolf in the first place I guess?
You're literally incoherent right now lmao
But ya, if you don't flip red, I'm going to power through Proph/DK
Yes, lynching fulcrum gives us conclusive info on KJ. It's two birds, one stone, for Poe
And we can't do it after today
That's the plan
Ok.
I'm not going to selfvote, I couldn't live with myself if we because of that.
Spoiler alert!
BTW, I think silver is the most problematic lynch in there, and an informative flip. But it's your call
I don't want to fight my lynch for Days only to be the game losing mislynch. If people want to kill me at all, they should do it now.