Whatever. Tom I’m not doing this anymore. At this point I’m gonna concede and say you are right.
You can’t be Scum and this is me being stubborn.
but you not wanting to lynch tubba is dumb. It would leave the watcher always watching the jailer and the jailer always jailing the watcher. They try to kill the jailer and the watcher sees who it is.
Unless they got a role blocker.
Then your whole plan is ****ed and we wouldn’t have lynched comfscum. It’s a lot easier to just kill the scum and let the game sort it self out.
But you are right. My theory is stupid and illogical. I’m just trying to figure ***** out. And you doing that stupid ***** doesn’t help.
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Rodemy if the jailer blocks the watcher, the watcher can’t see the jailer.
That’s why doc/watcher never happens. Jailer/watcher doesn’t work like that.
I’m signing off til toMorrow because I will not discuss anymore. This is the best plan I think and I don’t care who disagrees. This is my chance to prove I’m good at this
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I’m signing off til toMorrow because I will not discuss anymore. This is the best plan I think and I don’t care who disagrees. This is my chance to prove I’m good at this
goodnight.
yknow, unless tubba flips town like you claim to believe
Then you should shoot shadow...
The physician had his consulting offices in the palace’s lower backing wing, only a few minutes’ walk from the King’s chambers by a couple of corridors and a long gallery under the eaves of one of the main buildings. It was a surprisingly quiet place, so close to the centre of things. The chambers looked out over a medicinal garden, tipped and terraced to catch the best of the light. Oramen had found the door unlocked after knocking on it a couple of times. He called the doctor’s name again, from just inside the threshold. Gillews was known to get very caught up in the various experiments and distillations he carried out in his principal work chamber, and sometimes did not hear – or affected not to hear – people calling him.
“Doctor . . . ?”
He stopped, staring.
The doctor was sitting in a wooden chair of ornately twisted carving, his head lying on the bench in front of him. It appeared to have hit some phials and beakers when he had fallen forward, scattering some and breaking others.
A syringe stuck out of Gillews’ exposed left lower arm, plunger fully in. His eyes stared sightlessly along the equipment-strewn bench.
Oramen looked around. He wasn’t really sure for what. Everything was untidy but that might well be the norm for such a place. He could see no note or last scratched message.
He supposed he ought to go and inform the palace guard. Tubba Fett has been executed by majority vote. He was:
The Sarcophagus Mafia ???
“I require my other pieces, my scattered shards. I would be whole again, then I might answer your questions. The years have been long, prince, and cruel to me. So much is gone, so much taken away. I am ashamed at how much, blush to report how little I know that did not come out of that device that let me learn how to talk to you.” -- The Sarcophagus, to Prince Oramen
The Sarcophagus is a grey cube, around 20 meters to a side, and the central object surrounding the excavations performed by the Deldeyn (and later, Sarl) on Sursamen’s Ninth Level. Believed by the Oct to be an ancient device created by the Involucra, their claimed ancestors, the Sarcophagus holds a much darker secret...
Sarcophagus [Passive]: You reveal as vanilla to rolecops and similar roles. If you are ever the only surviving member of your faction, your role becomes The Iln Machine, Mafia Doomsday Device and you gain 1 use of Iln Antimatter Weaponry
Iln Antimatter Weaponry [Active] (0-shot): Restored to your full function, you can use your weapons to kill any player. At night, you can expend a use of this ability to make an extra kill in addition to the factional night kill. You may not use this ability if there are 4 or less players alive at the beginning of the night phase.
You win when your faction controls the vote, or when nothing can prevent that from happening.
“But this is fun!” Oramen yelled at Tove, still trying to pull his arm free.
“Some of these ****ers might be anarchists; let’s away.”
A glass shattered on the wall near Oramen’s head. “Oh,” he sighed. “All right.”
“Seeing sense. Late than never.”
They clattered down some steps towards the courtyard and got to the door. Tove stopped in the narrow passageway and said, “After you, pr—”
“Oh, get out there,” Oramen told him, pushing him one-handed.
They burst through a door into the intense afternoon brightness of the tavern’s yard. Oramen caught the sudden stench of a nearby tannery.
A man swung round from one side of the door and sank a long dagger into Tove’s belly, ripping quickly upwards.
“Not, not me!” Tove had time to bubble, then he dropped as the man who’d struck him stepped around him and – with a second man – pulled his arm back, blade aimed straight at Oramen.
Oramen had had his hand at the small of his back all the way down the stairs, pulling his tunic top and shirt out, feeling until the warmth of the gun’s handle was there in his fist. He hauled it out, used his other hand to click the safety off as he’d practised a hundred times in his bedchamber and pulled the trigger in the face of the man who’d knifed Tove.
The gunshots had left Oramen’s ears ringing.
There was nobody else about. He sat down too, before he fell down. The courtyard seemed very quiet after all the noise.
“Tove?” he said.
Tove had stopped moving. The graph pattern of blood moving along the spaces between the courtyard stones was reaching out towards Oramen’s outstretched feet. He moved them before it touched them, and shivered. There was a roaring noise which he took to be the continuing brawl in the room above.
“Tove?” he said again. It was surprisingly cold in the brightly sunlit courtyard.
Eventually, people came. Axelrod has died. He was:
Earl Droffo, Oramen’s Equerry Town Bodyguard
“By that logic, sir, one might experience something of the power and energy of a piece of heavy artillery by positioning one’s head over the barrel just as the firing lanyard’s pulled; however, I’d venture to suggest the resulting sensation would not remain long in one’s brain.” -- Earl Droffo, to Prince Oramen
After the untimely demise of Oramen’s first equerry, you are appointed to the position and the two of you become fast friends. Your standing at court isn’t great, but you’ll do anything to protect the Prince and those close to him.
Martyr [Active]: Each night, you may target a player. If that player would die before the next dawn, you will protect them and die in their place.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Tubba was sort of a single issue voter with rhand. He pushed him for his kj stance (not caring about his alignment rn just giving him time or whatever).
Im eliminating the w/w/w world. You dont really draw attention to your team open wolfing like that
Its easy to see it from tubba as partners with kj. Could see it turning into chain lynching rhand after a kj flip or just ignoring kj in favor of rhand for some amount of time
Its a little shortsighted with wolfrhand/townkj. Not impossible but not seeing the motivation beyond "if youre gonna bus go hard on something meh".
Which, to be fair tubba totally could have learned from me…
Nothing much either way on v/v rhand/kj
Tubbas main push d1 was last/umami. And i think it just looks like pouncing on town v town violence. Could say some words like "TMIing umami town" and "annoyed that last is being ignored" as well.
His other big contribution was interpreting and townreading rodemy. The raging narcissist in me wants to say tubba was making this post for/because of me. But it also feels pockety towards rodemy.
Ftr i do think its factual that rodemy spent yesterday being contrary just because, and he at least by eod didnt really believe in scumshadow. I can definitely see him doing that as either alignment. As town because it was his initial gut and then he couldnt figure out who to trust of the people telling him stuff. As scum… basically just self awareness rodemy knows he isnt consensus so he committed and sorta forgot.
My brain wants to call it wolfy but idk
TLDR
rhand/kj not w/w
Last/umami both town
Rod might be too?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
So I don't think tubba/Last are w/w. His first post is kinda awkward if they're scum together. Also he keeps on him in post 379/384. Last wasn't under a lot of scrutiny. There's really no need to bus there.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I could see Rhand as a buddy for him. Tubba kinda piggybacks on my initial suspicion of Rhand, Then in his reads list, Rhand ends up almost town, on the top of the kinda sus list.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Heh I just read a synopsis, and that world god is clearly a powerful bad guy.
I would be ok with lynching a vanilla claim to see if flavorgaming has merit.
Read the second sentence carefully. It strongly implies Rhand is not vanilla town himself, or he would already have a clue whether flavourgaming is worth it. Meaning he has to be either scum or a power role.
Now that in itself is no reason to accuse him, after all at that point there was no reason to believe he couldn't be a power role.
Then Day 2 (and Night 2) happened. Johnny claimed, shadow claimed, Rodemy claimed (but so far we can't be certain it's true), and now Axelrod flipped. That's a lot of roles Rhand can't be.
Even more importantly, there's Tubba's flip, particularly this part:
Sarcophagus [Passive]: You reveal as vanilla to rolecops and similar roles.
This strongly implies there is a town rolecop in this game, and the scum team explicitely knew about it. This is precious information because rolecops are often mafia roles, and therefore a town rolecop is mislynch bait.
Now let's backtrack a bit to that small period of uncertainty after Johnny claimed, but before Tubba and shadow did.
So Shadow thought tom was caught while GJ said no such thing.
What GJ said is that he felt good about ZDS because of his Night action.
Maybe that was Shadow sharing TMI and tom made the kill that landed on a bulletproof / got roleblocked /...?
He didn’t notice the ZDS clear in the post, only the negativity about tom before that in the same post.
watcher + doc is very unlikely. That creates that awful scenario where watcher and doc can keep targeting each other forever and mafia can never kill them.
My guess is that ZDS got targeted by something like a rolecop. And that Shadow is that rolecop.
I think tubba and shadow have to claim now (not number of shots etc, but at least what they targeted ZDS with).
He noticeably shades shadow, which looks extremely bad in retrospect, but I suppose this could be explained away as tunneling. What I'm more interested in is that line:
My guess is that ZDS got targeted by something like a rolecop. And that Shadow is that rolecop.
Rhand was the only one to ever mention a rolecop IIRC. First, that implies he isn't the rolecop himself. Second, the rolecop hypothesis is in no way intuitive. The role isn't rare but it's also not *that* common, and besides the lack of kill Night 1 strongly implied either shadow or Tubba had prevented that kill. Why mention a possible rolecop?
Before I answer this rhetorical question, let's also look at this post:
The fishing is terrible in itself, but that's not all. Let's stop for a second. What would have been the ideal scenario for a Tubba/Rhand(/xx/yy) scum team?
The answer to that and to the previous question is: if shadow claimed rolecop (or another mislynch-bait role), and either I self-protected or Tubba was able to false-claim uncountered (or both), that would have lead to shadow being condemned, Tubba being relatively cleared, and me remaining a question mark.
It's a high risk play, but the reward is extremely high as well — and Rhand is not shy about making that kind of play (look up his roleclaim in Prison Block, where he pretended to be some absurd role that had a random chance of either protecting or killing his target, with odds changing depending on whether he lynched town or scum).
At this point all that needed to be said has been said, but if you are still hungry here's the cherry on top:
What the... ZDS being bulletproof is invaluable information right now.
If he is, we have a real dichotomy.
If he isn’t, this can be a cluster of townies and we shouldn’t blindly lynch the guy that isn’t here to defend himself.
Obviously we don’t lynch Tubba without a claim (curious to see what he says ) but ZDS can’t add anything to this with his claim.
Yeh we can all vote tubba to make him claim and then all pivot to you so you can claim.
or you can both just claim and we can move on?
At the time, Tubba was gathering votes and shadow was actively posting but not claiming (instead calling for Tubba to claim). Following Rhand's instructions would have meant reversing that order, with shadow claiming first and Tubba second. Nothing wrong with wanting to be quickly done with the claims, and not wanting to give shadow infinite time to think of a falseclaim, right?
Except since Tubba was scum, and since shadow claiming first would have allowed Tubba to dodge the counterclaim situation (or willingly run into it, if that's his thing), *and* since [all of the above], there is now a much more sinister explanation for why Rhand would want shadow to claim first.
All in all, Rhand:
— Cannot be vanilla town, cannot be any of the currently dead, revealed or known-to-exist power roles. There's not much room left for him to be anything other than scum.
— Oh-so-coincidentially reacted to Johnny's claim in the most pro-scum way possible, TMIing all over the place and openly dreaming of the ideal scenario for scum.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Even though you kinda doubted i was a vig, why would you call it out publicly like that? Even if YOU knew i was lying, or even have some doubt, could you see what i was doing? I was trying to take the NK and get johnny to watch me in case they didn't have an RB. I wanna see what happened last night. Your reply felt super fake and dare i say, SASSY?
I am not the vig. I lied in order to **** with the scum and try and grab the NK in order to save the watcher and the jailer. I guess it might have worked?
I wanna hear from Johnny asap.
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Ok, I needed Rodemy to claim before replying.
Because I am the vig. I was gonna shoot his face if he kept up that claim.
I am town desperado. I have a 1-shot daykill that I will be using toDay.
If I hit mafia, they die. If I hit town, I die.
I’m not sure yet who to shoot. tom / KJ / Grape / Sloth / Jack is the pool I am looking at.
@ZDS: your assessment that I am a PR is correct. And my rolename, Pone Hippinse, does fit my role. Which is why I thought ITF could be mafia power.
The rolecop was just a guess. It would’ve been a logical thing to target you with.
When reading that whole part of my play, bear in mind that I was scumreading Shadow before all that happened. I wanted Shadow to claim before tubba to take away his wriggle room. Asking you if you were BP was meant to solve the mess.
Go into the whole thing with a scumread on Shadow and you’ll get what I was doing there.
Why didn't you shoot yesterDay, after the counter-claim situation? That was literally the best possible time to use that role.
I'll wait for more people to post before I "desperadovote". We definitely need to check your claim.
Because the best use of my role is wait for lylo.
The reason I’m outing toDay is because you forced my hand. You would bullhead a wagon on me which is a waste of time and would’ve ended up with me claiming and shooting toDay and then not leaving enough time to reassess the lynch.
Well this is a mess on the PR side of things. Bother shadow and Tubba have decent chance of being scum. Even though I had the smallest town leans not going to rewrite history and pretend otherwise.
Tubba being JK is possible just see what Shadow says now. What worries me is that we have hit the worst case where only town Visited ZDS which while very unlikely is a ***** possibly.
Even if we get one scum from this not sure if out tung 2 town PRs is worth. I suppose we get town confirms on GJ ZDS and one of the others st least. Just wait and see now I guess
I take it people are not informed if RB here or does it depend on the host.
This was after Tubba claimed jailkeeper but before shadow counterclaimed. Notice how Jack assumes I'm town, going as far as to say "we get town confirms on GJ ZDS and one of the others", when in reality Tubba's claim could have implied I was roleblocked scum.
To be fair Jack had been town-tunneling me for a while, but nevertheless it looks like he put the cart before the horse here.
I'd like to see opinions on the subject.
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Rod, I agree it wasn't great play on Vaimes's part but what makes it scummy rather than merely poorly thought out? What is scum-Vaimes trying to accomplish here?
To be frank I reacted the same he did to your claim, only it was around midnight and I didn't feel like posting.
I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm saying you are dunking with a balloon.
Rhand, I disagree it was a better idea to wait until LyLo rather than shoot Tubba and proceed with an "actual" (so to speak) Day, but it's not a relevant discussion to have now.
Yeh let’s keep that discussion for post-game.
I think you wanting me to use it yesterDay is for the same reasons I asked you if you were BP though. We are all egocentric in wanting the pieces to solve the game.
@Rodemy: I don’t think you have a gotcha there. I think it makes sense for town!Vaimes to react since you had him in that POE.
I do believe you are town though, so there’s that.
I’m considering tom for the shot because he’s hard to lynch as mafia and strong as confirmed town, so misfiring there would be the least painful.
Mafia must be crying by now lol. That’s 4 confirmed town against them.
I'm not adding much to the current game state apart from mislynch potential or have anything special role wise so feel free to take the shot if it helps game state . Im at work atm so won't be around till later but just wanted to put that out there early.
My ability failed, but I attempted to target Shadow.
It didn't say roleblock, but "failed".
Axel almost assuredly died using his ability. I didn't think he was that townie, but better than some of the others.
My thing with tom was admittedly, awkward. I thought I was significantly more subtle than I was, and was trying to ignore the two results for the time being and kind of let it sort itself out, and figured tom was a good pressure target due to lack of solving.
Vote KJ
I really feel like here/tom/Jack is where I want to be today, and I have just felt like I have to keep remembering KJ is in this game, short of that last burst post that showed Tubba's list, but didn't feel like he tried to analyze it with his own spin at all, short of the vote on Rhand at the end.
Ok so Vaimes wants to be shot and Jackrito wants to be shot.
The difference though: Jack assumes he would die when shot. Which makes him... drumroll... mafia!
But you knew i was lying, so why did you care about the POE?
I can dislike your scumreads regardless of whatever shenanigans you were engaging in.
No. You knew I was lying. You shouldn’t have cared about who I was gonna “shoot” even if you were in it. It doesn’t make sense as town. If you knew what I was trying to do, you wouldn’t try and foil it. The mindset there doesn’t make sense.
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Do blocks specifically return a "you were blocked!"? Sounds like "your ability failed" keeps it ambiguous, but it's very likely to just be a roleblock.
You can’t be Scum and this is me being stubborn.
but you not wanting to lynch tubba is dumb. It would leave the watcher always watching the jailer and the jailer always jailing the watcher. They try to kill the jailer and the watcher sees who it is.
Unless they got a role blocker.
Then your whole plan is ****ed and we wouldn’t have lynched comfscum. It’s a lot easier to just kill the scum and let the game sort it self out.
But you are right. My theory is stupid and illogical. I’m just trying to figure ***** out. And you doing that stupid ***** doesn’t help.
That’s why doc/watcher never happens. Jailer/watcher doesn’t work like that.
Not meeeeeeeeeeee. Rodemy never gets nk’d.
hardclaim night vig.
Gonna shoot in axel/vaimes/grape/kj
I’m signing off til toMorrow because I will not discuss anymore. This is the best plan I think and I don’t care who disagrees. This is my chance to prove I’m good at this
goodnight.
You doubt me? Interesting. This is gonna be so fun.
Like, there being a ~roleblocker and trying to lynch them is my actual premise...
Then you should shoot shadow...
“Dr Gillews?”
The physician had his consulting offices in the palace’s lower backing wing, only a few minutes’ walk from the King’s chambers by a couple of corridors and a long gallery under the eaves of one of the main buildings. It was a surprisingly quiet place, so close to the centre of things. The chambers looked out over a medicinal garden, tipped and terraced to catch the best of the light. Oramen had found the door unlocked after knocking on it a couple of times. He called the doctor’s name again, from just inside the threshold. Gillews was known to get very caught up in the various experiments and distillations he carried out in his principal work chamber, and sometimes did not hear – or affected not to hear – people calling him.
“Doctor . . . ?”
He stopped, staring.
The doctor was sitting in a wooden chair of ornately twisted carving, his head lying on the bench in front of him. It appeared to have hit some phials and beakers when he had fallen forward, scattering some and breaking others.
A syringe stuck out of Gillews’ exposed left lower arm, plunger fully in. His eyes stared sightlessly along the equipment-strewn bench.
Oramen looked around. He wasn’t really sure for what. Everything was untidy but that might well be the norm for such a place. He could see no note or last scratched message.
He supposed he ought to go and inform the palace guard.
Tubba Fett has been executed by majority vote. He was:
Mafia ???
“I require my other pieces, my scattered shards. I would be whole again, then I might answer your questions. The years have been long, prince, and cruel to me. So much is gone, so much taken away. I am ashamed at how much, blush to report how little I know that did not come out of that device that let me learn how to talk to you.” -- The Sarcophagus, to Prince Oramen
The Sarcophagus is a grey cube, around 20 meters to a side, and the central object surrounding the excavations performed by the Deldeyn (and later, Sarl) on Sursamen’s Ninth Level. Believed by the Oct to be an ancient device created by the Involucra, their claimed ancestors, the Sarcophagus holds a much darker secret...
Sarcophagus [Passive]: You reveal as vanilla to rolecops and similar roles. If you are ever the only surviving member of your faction, your role becomes The Iln Machine, Mafia Doomsday Device and you gain 1 use of Iln Antimatter Weaponry
Iln Antimatter Weaponry [Active] (0-shot): Restored to your full function, you can use your weapons to kill any player. At night, you can expend a use of this ability to make an extra kill in addition to the factional night kill. You may not use this ability if there are 4 or less players alive at the beginning of the night phase.
You win when your faction controls the vote, or when nothing can prevent that from happening.
It is Night 2. Please do not post.
Night 2 ends at 11:59:59 PM Eastern Time on 05 May 2020. Please submit actions at least one hour early to prevent delays to the start of Day 3.
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“Some of these ****ers might be anarchists; let’s away.”
A glass shattered on the wall near Oramen’s head. “Oh,” he sighed. “All right.”
“Seeing sense. Late than never.”
They clattered down some steps towards the courtyard and got to the door. Tove stopped in the narrow passageway and said, “After you, pr—”
“Oh, get out there,” Oramen told him, pushing him one-handed.
They burst through a door into the intense afternoon brightness of the tavern’s yard. Oramen caught the sudden stench of a nearby tannery.
A man swung round from one side of the door and sank a long dagger into Tove’s belly, ripping quickly upwards.
“Not, not me!” Tove had time to bubble, then he dropped as the man who’d struck him stepped around him and – with a second man – pulled his arm back, blade aimed straight at Oramen.
Oramen had had his hand at the small of his back all the way down the stairs, pulling his tunic top and shirt out, feeling until the warmth of the gun’s handle was there in his fist. He hauled it out, used his other hand to click the safety off as he’d practised a hundred times in his bedchamber and pulled the trigger in the face of the man who’d knifed Tove.
The gunshots had left Oramen’s ears ringing.
There was nobody else about. He sat down too, before he fell down. The courtyard seemed very quiet after all the noise.
“Tove?” he said.
Tove had stopped moving. The graph pattern of blood moving along the spaces between the courtyard stones was reaching out towards Oramen’s outstretched feet. He moved them before it touched them, and shivered. There was a roaring noise which he took to be the continuing brawl in the room above.
“Tove?” he said again. It was surprisingly cold in the brightly sunlit courtyard.
Eventually, people came.
Axelrod has died. He was:
Town Bodyguard
“By that logic, sir, one might experience something of the power and energy of a piece of heavy artillery by positioning one’s head over the barrel just as the firing lanyard’s pulled; however, I’d venture to suggest the resulting sensation would not remain long in one’s brain.” -- Earl Droffo, to Prince Oramen
After the untimely demise of Oramen’s first equerry, you are appointed to the position and the two of you become fast friends. Your standing at court isn’t great, but you’ll do anything to protect the Prince and those close to him.
Martyr [Active]: Each night, you may target a player. If that player would die before the next dawn, you will protect them and die in their place.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to achieve a majority.
It is Day 3. You may begin posting.
Day 3 ends at 11:59:59 PM Eastern Time on 16 May 2020.
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My thoughts on tubba are coming.
Tubba was sort of a single issue voter with rhand. He pushed him for his kj stance (not caring about his alignment rn just giving him time or whatever).
Im eliminating the w/w/w world. You dont really draw attention to your team open wolfing like that
Its easy to see it from tubba as partners with kj. Could see it turning into chain lynching rhand after a kj flip or just ignoring kj in favor of rhand for some amount of time
Its a little shortsighted with wolfrhand/townkj. Not impossible but not seeing the motivation beyond "if youre gonna bus go hard on something meh".
Which, to be fair tubba totally could have learned from me…
Nothing much either way on v/v rhand/kj
Tubbas main push d1 was last/umami. And i think it just looks like pouncing on town v town violence. Could say some words like "TMIing umami town" and "annoyed that last is being ignored" as well.
His other big contribution was interpreting and townreading rodemy. The raging narcissist in me wants to say tubba was making this post for/because of me. But it also feels pockety towards rodemy.
Ftr i do think its factual that rodemy spent yesterday being contrary just because, and he at least by eod didnt really believe in scumshadow. I can definitely see him doing that as either alignment. As town because it was his initial gut and then he couldnt figure out who to trust of the people telling him stuff. As scum… basically just self awareness rodemy knows he isnt consensus so he committed and sorta forgot.
My brain wants to call it wolfy but idk
TLDR
rhand/kj not w/w
Last/umami both town
Rod might be too?
ZDSTom
JohnnyRod
Vaimes
Killjoy.And 1-2 in
Rhand
ShadowGrape
Sloth
Jack
ITFAxelPerhaps 0-1 in
Umami/Last
But theres some space between
Where does that split come from?
Johnny, do you have relevant info?
shadow, based on Rodemy's answer, do you have relevant info?
While we wait for them to respond, feel free to Vote: Rhand who I'm about to demonstrate is scum.
First let's go way back to this post:
Read the second sentence carefully. It strongly implies Rhand is not vanilla town himself, or he would already have a clue whether flavourgaming is worth it. Meaning he has to be either scum or a power role.
Now that in itself is no reason to accuse him, after all at that point there was no reason to believe he couldn't be a power role.
Then Day 2 (and Night 2) happened. Johnny claimed, shadow claimed, Rodemy claimed (but so far we can't be certain it's true), and now Axelrod flipped. That's a lot of roles Rhand can't be.
Even more importantly, there's Tubba's flip, particularly this part:
This strongly implies there is a town rolecop in this game, and the scum team explicitely knew about it. This is precious information because rolecops are often mafia roles, and therefore a town rolecop is mislynch bait.
Now let's backtrack a bit to that small period of uncertainty after Johnny claimed, but before Tubba and shadow did.
Rhand posted this:
He noticeably shades shadow, which looks extremely bad in retrospect, but I suppose this could be explained away as tunneling. What I'm more interested in is that line:
Rhand was the only one to ever mention a rolecop IIRC. First, that implies he isn't the rolecop himself. Second, the rolecop hypothesis is in no way intuitive. The role isn't rare but it's also not *that* common, and besides the lack of kill Night 1 strongly implied either shadow or Tubba had prevented that kill. Why mention a possible rolecop?
Before I answer this rhetorical question, let's also look at this post:
The fishing is terrible in itself, but that's not all. Let's stop for a second. What would have been the ideal scenario for a Tubba/Rhand(/xx/yy) scum team?
The answer to that and to the previous question is: if shadow claimed rolecop (or another mislynch-bait role), and either I self-protected or Tubba was able to false-claim uncountered (or both), that would have lead to shadow being condemned, Tubba being relatively cleared, and me remaining a question mark.
It's a high risk play, but the reward is extremely high as well — and Rhand is not shy about making that kind of play (look up his roleclaim in Prison Block, where he pretended to be some absurd role that had a random chance of either protecting or killing his target, with odds changing depending on whether he lynched town or scum).
At this point all that needed to be said has been said, but if you are still hungry here's the cherry on top:
At the time, Tubba was gathering votes and shadow was actively posting but not claiming (instead calling for Tubba to claim). Following Rhand's instructions would have meant reversing that order, with shadow claiming first and Tubba second. Nothing wrong with wanting to be quickly done with the claims, and not wanting to give shadow infinite time to think of a falseclaim, right?
Except since Tubba was scum, and since shadow claiming first would have allowed Tubba to dodge the counterclaim situation (or willingly run into it, if that's his thing), *and* since [all of the above], there is now a much more sinister explanation for why Rhand would want shadow to claim first.
All in all, Rhand:
— Cannot be vanilla town, cannot be any of the currently dead, revealed or known-to-exist power roles. There's not much room left for him to be anything other than scum.
— Oh-so-coincidentially reacted to Johnny's claim in the most pro-scum way possible, TMIing all over the place and openly dreaming of the ideal scenario for scum.
In conclusion, Rhand is scum.
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Hi Rhand
Even though you kinda doubted i was a vig, why would you call it out publicly like that? Even if YOU knew i was lying, or even have some doubt, could you see what i was doing? I was trying to take the NK and get johnny to watch me in case they didn't have an RB. I wanna see what happened last night. Your reply felt super fake and dare i say, SASSY?
I am not the vig. I lied in order to **** with the scum and try and grab the NK in order to save the watcher and the jailer. I guess it might have worked?
I wanna hear from Johnny asap.
Because I am the vig. I was gonna shoot his face if he kept up that claim.
I am town desperado. I have a 1-shot daykill that I will be using toDay.
If I hit mafia, they die. If I hit town, I die.
I’m not sure yet who to shoot. tom / KJ / Grape / Sloth / Jack is the pool I am looking at.
@ZDS: your assessment that I am a PR is correct. And my rolename, Pone Hippinse, does fit my role. Which is why I thought ITF could be mafia power.
The rolecop was just a guess. It would’ve been a logical thing to target you with.
When reading that whole part of my play, bear in mind that I was scumreading Shadow before all that happened. I wanted Shadow to claim before tubba to take away his wriggle room. Asking you if you were BP was meant to solve the mess.
Go into the whole thing with a scumread on Shadow and you’ll get what I was doing there.
I'll wait for more people to post before I "desperadovote". We definitely need to check your claim.
I second his question.
Vaimes reaction to my fake claim was very anti town and I feel like it’s a gotchya
Because the best use of my role is wait for lylo.
The reason I’m outing toDay is because you forced my hand. You would bullhead a wagon on me which is a waste of time and would’ve ended up with me claiming and shooting toDay and then not leaving enough time to reassess the lynch.
This was after Tubba claimed jailkeeper but before shadow counterclaimed. Notice how Jack assumes I'm town, going as far as to say "we get town confirms on GJ ZDS and one of the others", when in reality Tubba's claim could have implied I was roleblocked scum.
To be fair Jack had been town-tunneling me for a while, but nevertheless it looks like he put the cart before the horse here.
I'd like to see opinions on the subject.
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Rod, I agree it wasn't great play on Vaimes's part but what makes it scummy rather than merely poorly thought out? What is scum-Vaimes trying to accomplish here?
To be frank I reacted the same he did to your claim, only it was around midnight and I didn't feel like posting.
I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm saying you are dunking with a balloon.
Rhand, I disagree it was a better idea to wait until LyLo rather than shoot Tubba and proceed with an "actual" (so to speak) Day, but it's not a relevant discussion to have now.
Rod, I can promise you, 0 people cared about your wine.
I think you wanting me to use it yesterDay is for the same reasons I asked you if you were BP though. We are all egocentric in wanting the pieces to solve the game.
@Rodemy: I don’t think you have a gotcha there. I think it makes sense for town!Vaimes to react since you had him in that POE.
I do believe you are town though, so there’s that.
I’m considering tom for the shot because he’s hard to lynch as mafia and strong as confirmed town, so misfiring there would be the least painful.
Mafia must be crying by now lol. That’s 4 confirmed town against them.
I kind of want to be shot to rub it in Rod’s face but that’s not a good reason for anything.
I’ll read up after work today.
? Rude. Why even mention it?
But you knew i was lying, so why did you care about the POE?
Vote Lastwhisper
This is purely a votecount vote until I review his content.
It didn't say roleblock, but "failed".
Axel almost assuredly died using his ability. I didn't think he was that townie, but better than some of the others.
My thing with tom was admittedly, awkward. I thought I was significantly more subtle than I was, and was trying to ignore the two results for the time being and kind of let it sort itself out, and figured tom was a good pressure target due to lack of solving.
Vote KJ
I really feel like here/tom/Jack is where I want to be today, and I have just felt like I have to keep remembering KJ is in this game, short of that last burst post that showed Tubba's list, but didn't feel like he tried to analyze it with his own spin at all, short of the vote on Rhand at the end.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The difference though: Jack assumes he would die when shot. Which makes him... drumroll... mafia!
No. You knew I was lying. You shouldn’t have cared about who I was gonna “shoot” even if you were in it. It doesn’t make sense as town. If you knew what I was trying to do, you wouldn’t try and foil it. The mindset there doesn’t make sense.
@KJ: you do anything last night? Like, I dunno, block GJ?
Ty Axel, pretty sure you saved me.