Ok I just did a quick Iso of Grape, why is he so much better then me or Sloth this game. The only real push he has done is on Me. Apart from that not really done a lot but hard defend Umani. Even their view on Tubba yesterday was hardly a real commitment more just a shadow looks better. Tubba had pretty much died by then though with lack of posts. He also has cleared a lot of people really easily.
Why would you reread Grape when I’m doubting between you, Whisp and Sloth?
Because I feel he should be in that pool. Also his slot is bothering me. My game view does not revolve around who you want to shoot.
out of the three I perfer Wisp because he will do a lot more as town confirmed then or I sloth will. His bussing comment is right though I have seen games where he should of bussed and did not. Possible he is using this meta to his adv but I don't think he is the type to. Either way I think he is the best choice in case I'm wrong.
I think Tom has a chance of being mafia, but after reading Tubba's iso I don't think Wisp is, the push on him does not feel like one a teammate make imo it just feels a little bit too forced because he knows Wisp is town but needed to push someone. Based off all the people he voted apart from Wisp are town confirmed now, it makes me feel like he was not in a bussing mind. Which makes me feel that Wisp is also town based off Tubba's voting, it is a small sample size though.
Feel free to shoot Wisp though because I could easily be wrong and if not it helps to confirm my theory.
Personally, I would rather any shot be into Sloth/KJ. They both just feel incredibly under the radar, and based how Tubba was treated, compared to how wolf read shadow was before today, I have a gut feeling there are somne wolves in the lurkers. I feel like we have been pretty town sided with the active voices.
how did I get linked to Tom?
here's to me hoping its regular day vig lol
since I won't have time to focus on this game in the coming weeks anyways
@jackrito
meh, I really don't think I am going to play that much different once I am confirmed, if anything I will just revert to how I played when I was a mason in the previous game
If I really was mafia and worried about being shot
1. I wouldn't poke at Rhand's claim
2. Nor claim shooting me is bad for the reason I did
I dont think being ok with being shot, and not being ok with being shot is any different
regardless of the Desperado Modifier
I know I am town, so I would argue shooting me is bad regardless
how did I get linked to Tom?
here's to me hoping its regular day vig lol
since I won't have time to focus on this game in the coming weeks anyways
@jackrito
meh, I really don't think I am going to play that much different once I am confirmed, if anything I will just revert to how I played when I was a mason in the previous game
If I really was mafia and worried about being shot
1. I wouldn't poke at Rhand's claim
2. Nor claim shooting me is bad for the reason I did
but w/e I guess
Yeah I thought you might just play like you did when a mason.
I more or less agree with jack on grape btw. If jacks town, grape has done almost nothing
With the "almost" being mostly <egging on my incorrect tunnel>
Things keep happening before I have a chance to catch up. Wisp's reaction is inconsistent (initially doubting the claim for some reason?), Jack's feels defeatist, and Vaimes' feels defiant. I'd 100% shoot Jack but I think you can't go wrong with any of those three. Or Sloth probably.
Finding it very hard to care about the game at this point. It's basically on autopilot at this point. We have pretty much five confirmed townies (GJ, ZDS, Rhand, Shadow, and Umami [Umami isn't the same level but they're also just no scum]) and are about to have either another dead scum or swap Rhand for another confirmed townie.
The game should be solvable but there are like 7 living people better at that than me and I just can't be bothered.
Like the only question marks are me, Jack, Rod, KJ, tom, Sloth, and Wisp? That's a tiny PoE and it sounds like KJ should be able to clear himself. That is a remarkably tight PoE for this early.
Anyway
@Shadow why was KJ's reaction particularly good? Since there was a kill why would you have been expecting anything else from him? Especially since Rod had already retracted his claim?
I realize I should probably give Rhand the same benefit of the doubt
Rhand definitely self-evaluates, given he has to make the shot today or pull back on his claim
but like I see the horrors of my first experience with Kpaca where he faked a day vig on me as a wolf
Ok, I needed Rodemy to claim before replying.
Because I am the vig. I was gonna shoot his face if he kept up that claim.
I am town desperado. I have a 1-shot daykill that I will be using toDay.
If I hit mafia, they die. If I hit town, I die.
I’m not sure yet who to shoot. tom / KJ / Grape / Sloth / Jack is the pool I am looking at.
@ZDS: your assessment that I am a PR is correct. And my rolename, Pone Hippinse, does fit my role. Which is why I thought ITF could be mafia power.
The rolecop was just a guess. It would’ve been a logical thing to target you with.
When reading that whole part of my play, bear in mind that I was scumreading Shadow before all that happened. I wanted Shadow to claim before tubba to take away his wriggle room. Asking you if you were BP was meant to solve the mess.
Go into the whole thing with a scumread on Shadow and you’ll get what I was doing there.
I really can't imagine putting one's self as a god damn question mark
but I agree with that PoE, outside Rodemy, which I would put towards the person I least likely want to lynch
I think its a waste to town confirm me since I will do little with it, but it does have gain because of the people that are pushing only me will actually have to do something different for the rest of today so we can get better reads on them. I have no issues being shot for that gain, still think it should be used on the more harder to read people though and actually have a chance to hit scum.
Things keep happening before I have a chance to catch up. Wisp's reaction is inconsistent (initially doubting the claim for some reason?), Jack's feels defeatist, and Vaimes' feels defiant. I'd 100% shoot Jack but I think you can't go wrong with any of those three. Or Sloth probably.
Finding it very hard to care about the game at this point. It's basically on autopilot at this point. We have pretty much five confirmed townies (GJ, ZDS, Rhand, Shadow, and Umami [Umami isn't the same level but they're also just no scum]) and are about to have either another dead scum or swap Rhand for another confirmed townie.
The game should be solvable but there are like 7 living people better at that than me and I just can't be bothered.
Like the only question marks are me, Jack, Rod, KJ, tom, Sloth, and Wisp? That's a tiny PoE and it sounds like KJ should be able to clear himself. That is a remarkably tight PoE for this early.
Anyway
@Shadow why was KJ's reaction particularly good? Since there was a kill why would you have been expecting anything else from him? Especially since Rod had already retracted his claim?
Please shoot Jack, he's very likely scum. In the small chance he's town, grape is scum.
Things keep happening before I have a chance to catch up. Wisp's reaction is inconsistent (initially doubting the claim for some reason?), Jack's feels defeatist, and Vaimes' feels defiant. I'd 100% shoot Jack but I think you can't go wrong with any of those three. Or Sloth probably.
Finding it very hard to care about the game at this point. It's basically on autopilot at this point. We have pretty much five confirmed townies (GJ, ZDS, Rhand, Shadow, and Umami [Umami isn't the same level but they're also just no scum]) and are about to have either another dead scum or swap Rhand for another confirmed townie.
The game should be solvable but there are like 7 living people better at that than me and I just can't be bothered.
Like the only question marks are me, Jack, Rod, KJ, tom, Sloth, and Wisp? That's a tiny PoE and it sounds like KJ should be able to clear himself. That is a remarkably tight PoE for this early.
Anyway
@Shadow why was KJ's reaction particularly good? Since there was a kill why would you have been expecting anything else from him? Especially since Rod had already retracted his claim?
Please shoot Jack, he's very likely scum. In the small chance he's town, grape is scum.
Where did that come from me being town does not always make Grape scum, I think he could be personally. This coming from you who I assume is folloing his read bothers the hell out of me. I was not planning to make a me vs you again today, but you really making it hard not to.
You doubt me? Interesting. This is gonna be so fun.
Can we just lynch Rodemy for this? Like Jack was my hope for today, but Rodemy was right up there and now he might be at the top
Why do you scumread me again?
also how does that make Rod scum town can pull that nonsense easily.
Because of everything you're doing
That is not a reason, I'm not even doing anything today apart from being asked to be shot, which has no gain for me if scum.
Everything about your game is unhelpful to town.
Your "just shoot me" but don't actually shoot me repetitive play is annoying and, if town completely useless and non-genuine vs. ITF who was genuine, and if scum just uber basic reverse psychology.
Your whole "I'm tunneling so hard right now" also totally lacks conviction. Especially when you say "If I was scum, there's no way I would be tunneling this hard on someone most people are townreading." Great defense, very convincing...
Please shoot Jack, he's very likely scum. In the small chance he's town, grape is scum.
Que?
@Wisp you're clearing Rod because he faked a shot? Did you have a town read on him before that?
@Whoever said it earlier who have I cleared easily in this game? Pretty sure the only no mechanical write off I've had is Umami and while I was on the front end of that it's not exactly going out on a branch.
Please shoot Jack, he's very likely scum. In the small chance he's town, grape is scum.
Que?
@Wisp you're clearing Rod because he faked a shot? Did you have a town read on him before that?
@Whoever said it earlier who have I cleared easily in this game? Pretty sure the only no mechanical write off I've had is Umami and while I was on the front end of that it's not exactly going out on a branch.
Tom, just accept that i think you are scummy this game. You are actually always scummy but i never get you lynched. So why worry? I'm sorry it's annoying but you gotta admit your ***** is scummy like 80% of the time regardless of alignment.
Also you gotta reset. I was right in that one game.
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It’s not the best choice, but it’s a choice nonetheless
I've mentioned reasons on Rodemy I believe, feels more like someone pushing what he believes rather than pushing anything maliciously
And he is not someone who I believe as a wolf pretends to be a vig if he isn't one, the pay off is that if a vig actually exists he probably just gets shot
Tom, just accept that i think you are scummy this game. You are actually always scummy but i never get you lynched. So why worry? I'm sorry it's annoying but you gotta admit your ***** is scummy like 80% of the time regardless of alignment.
Also you gotta reset. I was right in that one game.
what makes you think im worried? Pretty sure you pushing me raises my life expectancy regardless of both our alignments...
And i dont have to reset anything. If you always scumread me youre gonna be right every time im scum.
I also think im fairly towny this game. Ive had a correct read on every flipped player, plus tubbas role and johnny being blocked. Afaik im fully nailing this, and ive been largely townread by non-you people so?
Perhaps im not the problem
@people scum reading Jack: Go look at his reaction to when me and Tubba first became a thing. He was early with siding with me over Tubba, and didn’t particularly wait for many people to chime in there. I’m not saying it’s clearly, but it’s a pretty good look for him and I don’t think it counts for nothing.
@Rodemy: when you scum read Tom every time of course you’re going to be right sometime. That’s like saying “I always pick heads on coin flips, but I get it right about half the time”. No duh.
But what it comes down to is that just because you think his playstyle is scummy, does not make him scum. It’d be like me scum reading you for adding extra blank lines in your posts. You do that because of who you are, and even if I’m correct on your alignment, it had nothing to do with that. So likewise, you scum reading Tom for being Tom is nothing to do with his alignment, it’s time to come to terms with that and find a new way to try and read him.
Ftr i believe hes scumreading me for showing him a post that answered his question, trying to convince him tubba was scummier than shadow, and because my plan (to lynch the roleblocker) is somehow ruined by there being a roleblocker?
Jacks on the right side of that for sure. And those posts are among the best in his iso. Its a positive
im saying yall are sort of tagging along with me like jack/rod only im not your wolf puppetmaster zds
Idk theres obviously shades between that cellblock and the 3 masons one.
I just want to ride off in the sunset with yall over jacks red corpse
Fair enough.
@Wisp Do you think that anyone believed his fake? Do you think that a vig would have believed his claim given the circumstances? I don't necessarily think Rod is scum here I just don't get clearing him over that and that alone. And can you point to a push that seems believed rather than malicious? His tom and shadow pushes both felt performative to me.
Probably no one believed his claim, but that's only something I can assume, I know I didn't. I think about 99.8% of the time, a vig should shoot him, because that's just the correct play. Nah, I like my micro reasons here
Uhhm I can probably fine some both for seeing him as town and seeing him as a wolf, not right now though
I also think given the previous game I've played with him on MTGS, and two of the games I've played with him on MC, that he is just not where I want to go right now
@people scum reading Jack: Go look at his reaction to when me and Tubba first became a thing. He was early with siding with me over Tubba, and didn’t particularly wait for many people to chime in there. I’m not saying it’s clearly, but it’s a pretty good look for him and I don’t think it counts for nothing.
I have and it's not nothing. He clearly leans towards you early, see: 1376. I personally don't see it as meaningful. Tubba was a sinking ship yesterday. I think Rod was the only person who didn't side with you. I don't think early or late is a huge difference maker.
Jack's reaction prior to Shadow's claim is no better than anyone's around it. Rhand, ZDS, tom, and Sloth all have similar reactions of still expressing skepticism but unlike Jack, Rhand and ZDS do something to move the game in reaction. Jack FUD's around a bit and seems to be shading overmuch towards doubting Tubba compared the thread in a way that feels bussy to me.
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And it sounds like you’re walking on eggshells.
Because I feel he should be in that pool. Also his slot is bothering me. My game view does not revolve around who you want to shoot.
I don't care about your reads on me as much as you don't care about anything that could help me
It's such a ******* waste of a shot, and even if it doesn't kill me, I'm being attacked for arguing against wasting a shot?
Don't really know what ur last sentence means
Be back later
I think Tom has a chance of being mafia, but after reading Tubba's iso I don't think Wisp is, the push on him does not feel like one a teammate make imo it just feels a little bit too forced because he knows Wisp is town but needed to push someone. Based off all the people he voted apart from Wisp are town confirmed now, it makes me feel like he was not in a bussing mind. Which makes me feel that Wisp is also town based off Tubba's voting, it is a small sample size though.
Feel free to shoot Wisp though because I could easily be wrong and if not it helps to confirm my theory.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
here's to me hoping its regular day vig lol
since I won't have time to focus on this game in the coming weeks anyways
@jackrito
meh, I really don't think I am going to play that much different once I am confirmed, if anything I will just revert to how I played when I was a mason in the previous game
If I really was mafia and worried about being shot
1. I wouldn't poke at Rhand's claim
2. Nor claim shooting me is bad for the reason I did
but w/e I guess
regardless of the Desperado Modifier
I know I am town, so I would argue shooting me is bad regardless
Yeah I thought you might just play like you did when a mason.
But ive never been any good at reading last and i wanna stick with "he looks town from tubbas push"
With the "almost" being mostly <egging on my incorrect tunnel>
Never. I’ve caught you a few times so hush.
Also shooting you will actually either clear you or kill you. I’m not the o my one scumreading you so why are you singling me out?
Maybe johnny
Im singling you out because its getting tiresome. Nothing to do with this game in particular
Can we just lynch Rodemy for this? Like Jack was my hope for today, but Rodemy was right up there and now he might be at the top
Finding it very hard to care about the game at this point. It's basically on autopilot at this point. We have pretty much five confirmed townies (GJ, ZDS, Rhand, Shadow, and Umami [Umami isn't the same level but they're also just no scum]) and are about to have either another dead scum or swap Rhand for another confirmed townie.
The game should be solvable but there are like 7 living people better at that than me and I just can't be bothered.
Like the only question marks are me, Jack, Rod, KJ, tom, Sloth, and Wisp? That's a tiny PoE and it sounds like KJ should be able to clear himself. That is a remarkably tight PoE for this early.
Anyway
@Shadow why was KJ's reaction particularly good? Since there was a kill why would you have been expecting anything else from him? Especially since Rod had already retracted his claim?
Rhand definitely self-evaluates, given he has to make the shot today or pull back on his claim
but like I see the horrors of my first experience with Kpaca where he faked a day vig on me as a wolf
Jack please
but I agree with that PoE, outside Rodemy, which I would put towards the person I least likely want to lynch
peace
wait why exactly is this Umami not scum again?
Why do you scumread me again?
also how does that make Rod scum town can pull that nonsense easily.
Please shoot Jack, he's very likely scum. In the small chance he's town, grape is scum.
Where did that come from me being town does not always make Grape scum, I think he could be personally. This coming from you who I assume is folloing his read bothers the hell out of me. I was not planning to make a me vs you again today, but you really making it hard not to.
Because of everything you're doing
That is not a reason, I'm not even doing anything today apart from being asked to be shot, which has no gain for me if scum.
Everything about your game is unhelpful to town.
Your "just shoot me" but don't actually shoot me repetitive play is annoying and, if town completely useless and non-genuine vs. ITF who was genuine, and if scum just uber basic reverse psychology.
Your whole "I'm tunneling so hard right now" also totally lacks conviction. Especially when you say "If I was scum, there's no way I would be tunneling this hard on someone most people are townreading." Great defense, very convincing...
I have no idea what this means
Que?
@Wisp you're clearing Rod because he faked a shot? Did you have a town read on him before that?
@Whoever said it earlier who have I cleared easily in this game? Pretty sure the only no mechanical write off I've had is Umami and while I was on the front end of that it's not exactly going out on a branch.
cause you could be pocketing me
What? Your cell block was me and Terraine and I got shot N1 there. Though I was similarly lazy.
Also you gotta reset. I was right in that one game.
im saying yall are sort of tagging along with me like jack/rod only im not your wolf puppetmaster zds
Idk theres obviously shades between that cellblock and the 3 masons one.
I just want to ride off in the sunset with yall over jacks red corpse
And he is not someone who I believe as a wolf pretends to be a vig if he isn't one, the pay off is that if a vig actually exists he probably just gets shot
And i dont have to reset anything. If you always scumread me youre gonna be right every time im scum.
I also think im fairly towny this game. Ive had a correct read on every flipped player, plus tubbas role and johnny being blocked. Afaik im fully nailing this, and ive been largely townread by non-you people so?
Perhaps im not the problem
@Rodemy: when you scum read Tom every time of course you’re going to be right sometime. That’s like saying “I always pick heads on coin flips, but I get it right about half the time”. No duh.
But what it comes down to is that just because you think his playstyle is scummy, does not make him scum. It’d be like me scum reading you for adding extra blank lines in your posts. You do that because of who you are, and even if I’m correct on your alignment, it had nothing to do with that. So likewise, you scum reading Tom for being Tom is nothing to do with his alignment, it’s time to come to terms with that and find a new way to try and read him.
Jacks on the right side of that for sure. And those posts are among the best in his iso. Its a positive
Fair enough.
@Wisp Do you think that anyone believed his fake? Do you think that a vig would have believed his claim given the circumstances? I don't necessarily think Rod is scum here I just don't get clearing him over that and that alone. And can you point to a push that seems believed rather than malicious? His tom and shadow pushes both felt performative to me.
Uhhm I can probably fine some both for seeing him as town and seeing him as a wolf, not right now though
I also think given the previous game I've played with him on MTGS, and two of the games I've played with him on MC, that he is just not where I want to go right now
I have and it's not nothing. He clearly leans towards you early, see: 1376. I personally don't see it as meaningful. Tubba was a sinking ship yesterday. I think Rod was the only person who didn't side with you. I don't think early or late is a huge difference maker.
Jack's reaction prior to Shadow's claim is no better than anyone's around it. Rhand, ZDS, tom, and Sloth all have similar reactions of still expressing skepticism but unlike Jack, Rhand and ZDS do something to move the game in reaction. Jack FUD's around a bit and seems to be shading overmuch towards doubting Tubba compared the thread in a way that feels bussy to me.