@ZDS
when did I become the best odds of hitting scum?
@Jackrito
Given a certain game, I feel like this is exactly up the alley of a sloth wolf game
did you roll wolf again?
What do you like about Sloth?
Ok I just did a quick Iso of Grape, why is he so much better then me or Sloth this game.
ya I hate this post, not only because this frustration just feels fake
but also because it just reads as, "Why are scum reading me, when other people are worse"
its also pretty reminiscent of Oasis Mafia, where you took this approach to sling the game away from you
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He didn’t interact with buddies at all in that game and kept his vote on 1 townie the whole time he was alive.
Because nobody cares if being shot will personally help you solve the game, and you sound like you really, really don't want to be shot.
I think its stupid to be want to be shot? regardless of the difference between a desperado and a regular mafia? idk why I have to even argue this
@Shadow
Walking on eggshells
"To be overly careful in dealing with a person or situation because they get angry or offended very easily;"
are we talking about me here? because yes I am trying not to get angry
look if Rhand is real and wants to confirm me and die, he can have a field day, but I am not going to advocate for shooting me regardless
I also dont want to be shot. Being townfirmed is boring
Id way rather argue that im clear because of the jack and/or sloth scumflip and be really condescending about it
same, it makes me lazy
I want one of those two to be shot, given games that I have literally just played with them in, where they were/are confirmed mafia
I like how today just turned into, "I am ok with Wisp being shot"
I wonder who the scum team is with me?
@ZDS
when did I become the best odds of hitting scum?
@Jackrito
Given a certain game, I feel like this is exactly up the alley of a sloth wolf game
did you roll wolf again?
What do you like about Sloth?
Ok I just did a quick Iso of Grape, why is he so much better then me or Sloth this game.
ya I hate this post, not only because this frustration just feels fake
but also because it just reads as, "Why are scum reading me, when other people are worse"
its also pretty reminiscent of Oasis Mafia, where you took this approach to sling the game away from you
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He didn’t interact with buddies at all in that game and kept his vote on 1 townie the whole time he was alive.
I knew this was going to happen when that game ended you would start scum reading me in this. The issue this game is that it was the same time as that game which is why I was low effort trying this game a lot, because I was focused on that game. I do that sort of post as town a lot as well because I like an bit of consistently. also I don't even remember doing that sort of thing much in Oasis though apart from last day where I was stuck in hell.
Also my frusation always comes off as fake that point aside why would it be fake if I was scum. I get frusated when being scum read as scum a lot more then as town because I care a lot more in my scum games.
On the sloth question I would need to look at him in full he is just lacking a lot of the things I saw in that game you refer to but this comes from a view I had that you don't , my intial view was that he was busy with the game you are talking about so putting more effort there but his lack of show today so far is a bad look. I'm in a more of a wait and see what he does mood now I understand his scum play a bit more
Its definitely harder to not notice this kind of micro things
and I will probably have a hard time writing off a lot of the things you do, after seeing your wolf game almost snow me
I think you should be shot, given the fact that you are ok with being shot, and my mind thinking its more likely that wolves are hiding in that mindset
and if you are town I can work with you, and its just overall better for the gamestate
Fake might not be the correct word, its moreso what you just said that I believe, IDK how else to describe it honestly
tbh I haven't really reread sloth either, and I defended his lack of posts as busyness due solely to the meta he has talked about
Don't feel like doing that again after his flip in the other game, I just want him to post more
@Grape
wait why exactly is this Umami not scum again?
@Jackrito
Tubba being JK is possible just see what Shadow says now. What worries me is that we have hit the worst case where only town Visited ZDS which while very unlikely is a ***** possibly.
Tubba claimed the same role as Shadow at this time from what I remember, doesnt real like the correct way to respond to this
I think T/T paranoia was extreme, especially given the non-existence of the NK, and their claims being exactly the same
feels like you were trying to avoid the dichotomy here?
@Grape
wait why exactly is this Umami not scum again?
@Jackrito
Tubba being JK is possible just see what Shadow says now. What worries me is that we have hit the worst case where only town Visited ZDS which while very unlikely is a ***** possibly.
Tubba claimed the same role as Shadow at this time from what I remember, doesnt real like the correct way to respond to this
I think T/T paranoia was extreme, especially given the non-existence of the NK, and their claims being exactly the same
feels like you were trying to avoid the dichotomy here?
Was my post not before they both claimed JK I was at work posting on my break during that whole thing so was posting stuff before reading everything, which could be the issue. I know its impossible for 2 JK so I don't see why I would be seeing that as T/T, my view at that time if it was A JK and something else. Pretty sure after both claimed I posted a lot more on it like how I trusted Shadow pretty much based off how each claimed and based off how both played the day.
Its definitely harder to not notice this kind of micro things
and I will probably have a hard time writing off a lot of the things you do, after seeing your wolf game almost snow me
I think you should be shot, given the fact that you are ok with being shot, and my mind thinking its more likely that wolves are hiding in that mindset
and if you are town I can work with you, and its just overall better for the gamestate
Fake might not be the correct word, its moreso what you just said that I believe, IDK how else to describe it honestly
tbh I haven't really reread sloth either, and I defended his lack of posts as busyness due solely to the meta he has talked about
Don't feel like doing that again after his flip in the other game, I just want him to post more
Like I said eariler I feel me being shot is good for game state, because it gets people off my back and forces them to do more mainly Umani and Grape. Tom to an lesser degree because at least he talks about other stuff. I semi see you as changing this onto me as a possible move from you since you had a lot of focus, but if I'm wrong and you get confirmed it adds not as much as me being confirmed. I also think that you and Tubba don't have those interactions as teammates it does not suit your style.
hmm I might be wrong, one second
I was sure Shadow claimed first
Correction: I was wrong
Switching to Tubba is probably more NAI, Idk if wolf!jack wastes his time defending that
it was quite clearly Tubba as the days went on and they just never posted again
meh this is why I don't make cases anymore
I am going to sleep, I have early work into the evening tomorrow
Ok I finally bothered to reread Sloth yeah he can be scum here, reading that was like reading the thoughts of madman where they is little connection from a to B his play on day 2 bothers me though. First after Tubba's claim he asks what is a jailkeeper that seemed fake as hell to me but could be wrong. Also he says a couple of posts later that he trusted Shadow claim more so he is fine hammering Tubba but they is no evidence of this thoughts so could just be made up and an excuse to get the lynch. The main person he talks with is Tom not sure how I see that until we get a sloth flip, but the amount of them and how little they do is bothering me. They is just little scum hunting or really anything in here his only slight pushs are Axel and KJ, I can see what Wisp meant now about how it is similar to another game.
I want to be shot and for us to lynch this today unless Sloth comes back with something amazing.
Man imagine if jack was town and advocating to be shot by rhand.
Obviously that would be ridiculous no towny would ever double down on wanting the desperado to die rather than shooting scum
But just imagine.
Ok so Vaimes wants to be shot and Jackrito wants to be shot.
The difference though: Jack assumes he would die when shot. Which makes him... drumroll... mafia!
Yes I'm clearly mafia who hates himself and team so much I want to die for no reason. I misread your role that is dumb both of us should die if you hit town.
It’s worse tom: he wanted to die with me. That’s 2 dead town he’s ok with.
Man imagine if jack was town and advocating to be shot by rhand.
Obviously that would be ridiculous no towny would ever double down on wanting the desperado to die rather than shooting scum
But just imagine.
About 6 different people want me to be shot today, its not like I'm doing this under no pressure and because I want to be shot, I just want to clear the game state a bit. Rhand does not have to shoot me I would perfer him to hit scum but others clearly want it to be me.
Man imagine if jack was town and advocating to be shot by rhand.
Obviously that would be ridiculous no towny would ever double down on wanting the desperado to die rather than shooting scum
But just imagine.
About 6 different people want me to be shot today, its not like I'm doing this under no pressure and because I want to be shot, I just want to clear the game state a bit. Rhand does not have to shoot me I would perfer him to hit scum but others clearly want it to be me.
This is so weird. Have you not noticed I’m putting waaaaaaay more stock in ZDS/Shadow/GJ’s opinion than anyone else’s?
And they don’t want you shot.
I'm not adding much to the current game state apart from mislynch potential or have anything special role wise so feel free to take the shot if it helps game state
both possible mislynches
but I would like to hit the one who has tangible reasons for possibly being a wolf
Sloth is just like PoE
so Jack is better imo
I am not using it against you. I am not emotional. The last time i talked about it i was town.
Just stop talking about it. It’s not AI and all it does is discredit me. It’s kind of unfair tbh. Just because I am scumreading you doesn’t make me wrong. You can be scum and use that argument as well. It’s frivolous and a *****ty argument that just discredits everything I say.
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Youre right im sorry its absolutely ridiculous of me to keep treating you the same expecting different results
I don’t see what the big ******* deal here is. If you aren’t scum then it will be revealed. But if it’s that much of a ******* annoyance then maybe I.’lk just replace out.
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Tentatively cleared (don't let either of them get away with not proving their claims)
4. Rhand, 15. Killjoy
Subjectively cleared for Day 1 Tubba interactions (see 1674)
11. Umami, 13. Rodemy
Low priority
5. Jackrito = His reaction to the prospect of being desperado'd is very WIFOMy ("shoot me but don't shoot me"), but what I'm more interested in is the ISOing he's been doing recently. If he's scum and expecting to die, that's very gutsy of him — in these type of situations scum typically shutdown like Tubba did.
8. tomsloger = tom simply doesn't fit into many of the remaining possible scumteams, so it's okay to leave him be for now. His reaction to the prospect of being desperado'd is fine.
Medium priority
9. Vaimes = Due to how much he sheeps it's hard to tell what his independent views are. Based on desperadovotes he's more likely to be scum with Jack than with Sloth or Whispy, so he's self-solving to an extent.
High priority
1. Grapefruit21, 12. M plus 7 Slothful = Both are low-content posters, each in their own way. Grape's loss of motivation doesn't sit right with me (people tend to get more motivated in winning situations, not less, but it could be a him thing), and Sloth's posts tend to be irrelevant to whatever is going on.
10. Lastwhisper = Had some really awkward mutual interactions with Tubba Day 1 (1674 again), and his reaction to the prospect of being desperado'd is extremely defensive ("anyone but me!").
Desperavote: Slothful
If he flips scum, tom becomes relatively clear, and both Jack and Vaimes bump up as well (to a lesser extent).
If he gets townfirmed, it will be one big mystery solved, and we can reassess then.
I strongly doubt anything Sloth will say will make me change my vote, so Rhand, take it as final.
Zds tell me about sloth/jack being unaligned?
I actively think theyre partners (from sloths side, telling me my read looks right if my interpretation is accurate but then townreading jack for actual nothing. Where in w/v i think he more likely ends up pushing there. And of course townsloth is looking at jack trying to get a read of me from it and that feels like the bigger difference but still)
But thats a pretty self centered read...
You like his isos im just sideeyeing that they only happened when he might get shot...
Like, i think its a towny reaction to leave a legacy before dying. But this would allegedly leave him in the game confirmed town?
It's neither a "they are definitely unaligned" nor a "Jack is townfirmed if Sloth dies" kind of thing. I'm willing to move Jack to very low priority if Sloth dies, mostly because the ISO* is high-effort and low-reward if he's scum (it takes a while to do, but it doesn't count as a bus and won't get him completely out of POE).
I don't know how much Sloth's stance on Jack matters, the only read I remember him pushing (with a very lax definition of "pushing") is his scumread on Axel. If his non-pushed reads mattered then we would consider him town for mentioning Tubba in passing a couple times before the claim situation, and I doubt anyone thinks it matters *that* much.
Depending on the desperaresults I could agree with an info lynch on Jack. I don't think the opposite (desperashooting Jack, maybe lynching Sloth) is as good.
*(By the way, I don't want to think too much about why he's doing them now. He also did them Day 1 while under no threat.)
I’m of two minds, in a world where we hit town, I’d rather hit last because he’s here. If sloth is town and ups his presence that would alleviate this disparity.
In a world where we are discounting that and trying to hit scum, I’m much more mixed. Sloth is basically a non entity, which could be by design, attract no attention and not get shot. Whereas Last really doesn’t want to be shot at, and I feel like he generally takes a more devil may care attitude of “sure, confirm me, it’ll be great.”
I guess I’m thankful that we could deal with both today if it comes down to it.
@Rhand: I think it’s your call here, and work through it, but don’t take too much time. This game moving forward is a good thing.
when did I become the best odds of hitting scum?
@Jackrito
Given a certain game, I feel like this is exactly up the alley of a sloth wolf game
did you roll wolf again?
What do you like about Sloth?
ya I hate this post, not only because this frustration just feels fake
but also because it just reads as, "Why are scum reading me, when other people are worse"
its also pretty reminiscent of Oasis Mafia, where you took this approach to sling the game away from you
@Shadow
Walking on eggshells
"To be overly careful in dealing with a person or situation because they get angry or offended very easily;"
are we talking about me here? because yes I am trying not to get angry
look if Rhand is real and wants to confirm me and die, he can have a field day, but I am not going to advocate for shooting me regardless
Id way rather argue that im clear because of the jack and/or sloth scumflip and be really condescending about it
same, it makes me lazy
I want one of those two to be shot, given games that I have literally just played with them in, where they were/are confirmed mafia
I like how today just turned into, "I am ok with Wisp being shot"
I wonder who the scum team is with me?
@rhand
why do you think its me and Tom?
I knew this was going to happen when that game ended you would start scum reading me in this. The issue this game is that it was the same time as that game which is why I was low effort trying this game a lot, because I was focused on that game. I do that sort of post as town a lot as well because I like an bit of consistently. also I don't even remember doing that sort of thing much in Oasis though apart from last day where I was stuck in hell.
Also my frusation always comes off as fake that point aside why would it be fake if I was scum. I get frusated when being scum read as scum a lot more then as town because I care a lot more in my scum games.
On the sloth question I would need to look at him in full he is just lacking a lot of the things I saw in that game you refer to but this comes from a view I had that you don't , my intial view was that he was busy with the game you are talking about so putting more effort there but his lack of show today so far is a bad look. I'm in a more of a wait and see what he does mood now I understand his scum play a bit more
and I will probably have a hard time writing off a lot of the things you do, after seeing your wolf game almost snow me
I think you should be shot, given the fact that you are ok with being shot, and my mind thinking its more likely that wolves are hiding in that mindset
and if you are town I can work with you, and its just overall better for the gamestate
Fake might not be the correct word, its moreso what you just said that I believe, IDK how else to describe it honestly
tbh I haven't really reread sloth either, and I defended his lack of posts as busyness due solely to the meta he has talked about
Don't feel like doing that again after his flip in the other game, I just want him to post more
you never answered my question before
@Jackrito
Tubba claimed the same role as Shadow at this time from what I remember, doesnt real like the correct way to respond to this
I think T/T paranoia was extreme, especially given the non-existence of the NK, and their claims being exactly the same
feels like you were trying to avoid the dichotomy here?
Was my post not before they both claimed JK I was at work posting on my break during that whole thing so was posting stuff before reading everything, which could be the issue. I know its impossible for 2 JK so I don't see why I would be seeing that as T/T, my view at that time if it was A JK and something else. Pretty sure after both claimed I posted a lot more on it like how I trusted Shadow pretty much based off how each claimed and based off how both played the day.
Like I said eariler I feel me being shot is good for game state, because it gets people off my back and forces them to do more mainly Umani and Grape. Tom to an lesser degree because at least he talks about other stuff. I semi see you as changing this onto me as a possible move from you since you had a lot of focus, but if I'm wrong and you get confirmed it adds not as much as me being confirmed. I also think that you and Tubba don't have those interactions as teammates it does not suit your style.
I was sure Shadow claimed first
Correction: I was wrong
Switching to Tubba is probably more NAI, Idk if wolf!jack wastes his time defending that
it was quite clearly Tubba as the days went on and they just never posted again
meh this is why I don't make cases anymore
I am going to sleep, I have early work into the evening tomorrow
but like this claim has to be real? right?
this is why I have trust issues
was rereading a little
good night
I want to be shot and for us to lynch this today unless Sloth comes back with something amazing.
Obviously that would be ridiculous no towny would ever double down on wanting the desperado to die rather than shooting scum
But just imagine.
It’s worse tom: he wanted to die with me. That’s 2 dead town he’s ok with.
About 6 different people want me to be shot today, its not like I'm doing this under no pressure and because I want to be shot, I just want to clear the game state a bit. Rhand does not have to shoot me I would perfer him to hit scum but others clearly want it to be me.
This is so weird. Have you not noticed I’m putting waaaaaaay more stock in ZDS/Shadow/GJ’s opinion than anyone else’s?
And they don’t want you shot.
Still want vaimes dead. I believe he is scum. I'll read sloth/jack later. I gotta wake up
Though ftr last is the one that said that. I just said boring.
but I would like to hit the one who has tangible reasons for possibly being a wolf
Sloth is just like PoE
so Jack is better imo
I'll be on and off
Rhand make sure you make a legacy post if the worst should happen.
Tom, stop. I get it, you are annoyed. Don’t use that against me. I don’t see the need to get so emotional about it.
Just stop talking about it. It’s not AI and all it does is discredit me. It’s kind of unfair tbh. Just because I am scumreading you doesn’t make me wrong. You can be scum and use that argument as well. It’s frivolous and a *****ty argument that just discredits everything I say.
I don’t see what the big ******* deal here is. If you aren’t scum then it will be revealed. But if it’s that much of a ******* annoyance then maybe I.’lk just replace out.
Currently ive got you on the towny side of null. Youve got me as obvious scum so adjusted reads thats also null. Its business as usual.
Cleared
2. ZeDorkSlipeur, 3. Gentleman Johnny, 7. shadowlancerx
Tentatively cleared (don't let either of them get away with not proving their claims)
4. Rhand, 15. Killjoy
Subjectively cleared for Day 1 Tubba interactions (see 1674)
11. Umami, 13. Rodemy
Low priority
5. Jackrito = His reaction to the prospect of being desperado'd is very WIFOMy ("shoot me but don't shoot me"), but what I'm more interested in is the ISOing he's been doing recently. If he's scum and expecting to die, that's very gutsy of him — in these type of situations scum typically shutdown like Tubba did.
8. tomsloger = tom simply doesn't fit into many of the remaining possible scumteams, so it's okay to leave him be for now. His reaction to the prospect of being desperado'd is fine.
Medium priority
9. Vaimes = Due to how much he sheeps it's hard to tell what his independent views are. Based on desperadovotes he's more likely to be scum with Jack than with Sloth or Whispy, so he's self-solving to an extent.
High priority
1. Grapefruit21, 12. M plus 7 Slothful = Both are low-content posters, each in their own way. Grape's loss of motivation doesn't sit right with me (people tend to get more motivated in winning situations, not less, but it could be a him thing), and Sloth's posts tend to be irrelevant to whatever is going on.
10. Lastwhisper = Had some really awkward mutual interactions with Tubba Day 1 (1674 again), and his reaction to the prospect of being desperado'd is extremely defensive ("anyone but me!").
Desperavote: Slothful
If he flips scum, tom becomes relatively clear, and both Jack and Vaimes bump up as well (to a lesser extent).
If he gets townfirmed, it will be one big mystery solved, and we can reassess then.
I strongly doubt anything Sloth will say will make me change my vote, so Rhand, take it as final.
I actively think theyre partners (from sloths side, telling me my read looks right if my interpretation is accurate but then townreading jack for actual nothing. Where in w/v i think he more likely ends up pushing there. And of course townsloth is looking at jack trying to get a read of me from it and that feels like the bigger difference but still)
But thats a pretty self centered read...
You like his isos im just sideeyeing that they only happened when he might get shot...
Like, i think its a towny reaction to leave a legacy before dying. But this would allegedly leave him in the game confirmed town?
I don't know how much Sloth's stance on Jack matters, the only read I remember him pushing (with a very lax definition of "pushing") is his scumread on Axel. If his non-pushed reads mattered then we would consider him town for mentioning Tubba in passing a couple times before the claim situation, and I doubt anyone thinks it matters *that* much.
Depending on the desperaresults I could agree with an info lynch on Jack. I don't think the opposite (desperashooting Jack, maybe lynching Sloth) is as good.
*(By the way, I don't want to think too much about why he's doing them now. He also did them Day 1 while under no threat.)
I’m of two minds, in a world where we hit town, I’d rather hit last because he’s here. If sloth is town and ups his presence that would alleviate this disparity.
In a world where we are discounting that and trying to hit scum, I’m much more mixed. Sloth is basically a non entity, which could be by design, attract no attention and not get shot. Whereas Last really doesn’t want to be shot at, and I feel like he generally takes a more devil may care attitude of “sure, confirm me, it’ll be great.”
I guess I’m thankful that we could deal with both today if it comes down to it.
@Rhand: I think it’s your call here, and work through it, but don’t take too much time. This game moving forward is a good thing.
But it buts me that he doesn’t appear. I wonder if he forgot that he’s in this game.
But that really isn't how I handle my partners, it's more fun to just defend them
Still don't see what's wrong with not wanting to have a PR like that wasted on me if it's real and at the cost of rhands life
As much as i want to give in to confirmation bias with last/jack
GJ/shadow/zds
Umami
Last
Rod/Grape
Vaimes
Sloth/jack
Rhand and kj both temporarily removed from rainbow to hopefully be solved mechanically
I would kill the two reds today regardless of results on first one